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After a month, it is finally upon us - our Fighting Tigers will take on the Ohio State Buckeyes for the national title, and the only team in college football to own two crystal ball trophies. Kickoff's at 8pm Eastern on Fox.

The talking heads have weighed in, with the clear consensus being:

  • First, that it is unequivocally impossible for Ohio State to come out and get rolled for a second straight year; the Buckeyes have learned their lesson and Jim Tressel would never let that happen. They've been steaming over it for a year.


  • Second, that the Buckeyes are by no means inferior to LSU in the speed department, and all this talk of "SEC Speed" is just garbage.


  • Third, Jim Tressel is a far better coach than Les Miles.


  • Fourth, that because a 100% healthy LSU team is simply more talented than Ohio State, none of the above matters and LSU wins anyway on the strength of the home crowd.


I love gauging the consensus because much of it is often wrong, when examining it after the fact. So mark it down: surely a couple of the above points will be proven incorrect tomorrow (most likely the final one, simply because SO MANY people are picking LSU and the favorite has simply not acquitted itself well at all in these title games).

Reading through the predictions (see talking heads link above for one set of examples), it's gotten customary to see experts forecasting a total score in the range of mid-40s to 50s. The two things I haven't seen predicted anywhere (which, incidentally, leads me to believe it's far more likely to happen) are: 1) an Ohio State blowout, and 2) an LSU victory with both teams struggling to attain double digits in points. Now, no 7-6 score is ever really all that likely, but in the case of these two teams I really feel like a final score in the 14-13 range is by no means out of the question.

My two biggest worries, in order, are:

  1. Offensive line's ability to protect Flynn
  2. Defensive line's inability to get pressure on Boeckman, resulting in his finding open receivers downfield.
The blitzing decision has created a firestorm around defensive coordinator Bo Pelini all year long, most notably in the aftermath of the Arkansas game, and I don't see much of anything changing from the plan we've used all year. Hence my worry that a steady Boeckman will be able to pick us apart. He's been more or less the least-heralded skill player on both sides of this debate, as at least Matt Flynn can use his legs to generate big first downs for us. So with the pressure and the media heat off of him, I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see Mr. Boeckman turn in a remarkably efficient, mistake-free game, regardless of the pro-LSU crowd hostility. I'm finding myself fading most of the material speculating whether Beanie Wells will run all over us a la Darren McFadden. He's a great back, no doubt, but I at least like our chances of doing a reasonable job containing him with our front seven healthy for once.

I think the punters will be busy tomorrow. Godspeed, Patrick Fisher!

LSU, 14-13.

Comments? Predictions? Come one, come all, and weigh in with your own thoughts! Be as crazy as you'd like, no one's going to remember after the fact if you're wrong, and you'll get showered with accolades from near and far if you're right.

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My Two Cents
I don't really know what to think about the LSU vs. OSU game, other then I want LSU to crush them. Even though I live in the "heart" (southern Illinois) of "Big Ten Land," other then the Illinois vs. OSU game I didn't see State play a single game. And if you use that game a barometer then I think LSU is going to roll. Even more so if you factor in what USC did to Illinois in the Rose Bowl.

My gut is LSU 24/OSU 17. But I don't think it will actually be that close. I expect at least 1-2 of OSU scores to be off a turnover or a few stupid LSU penalties. I really think LSU will pretty much dominate.

Why? Two things, speed and a healthy team across the board. I don't know how many times this year (and I know it was a crazy year) the experts say this "Storied" program will beat this team. And the other team wasn't listening and their speed on both side of the ball changed the game in ways we've never really seen before.

One last comment. I really appreciate all your posts this year. I especially like the joint efforts between yourself/this site and the blogs of the teams we're playing. As I approach 40, trying to grow my own business, and do all the other things I enjoy I just don't have the time I used to have to follow sports. I now just follow three or four teams: LSU football/basketball, Redskins, and of course the Cardinals.

Is it game time yet ......  

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 11:23 AM CST   0 recs

Thanks for the comments
As always, your comments are much appreciated!

I'm confident that if healthy we should be expected to win this game, perhaps even convincingly if I dare say so. My problem is just that I've only seen us execute perfectly in ONE non-bowl big game in Miles' three years, and that was the Va Tech game this year. If we come out like that, OSU will not stand a chance; Va Tech's defense is not all that much of a dropoff from the Buckeyes. But the bottom line is that I think the odds are well against our turning in that kind of performance, so who knows what happens if it gets to be heart-attack time yet again for the Tiger faithful? Perhaps the laws of luck/averages/ONIONS begin to go against us all game. And perhaps the Ohio State Buckeyes go out and prove they're actually not all that much less talented than we are.

But here's hoping like hell that you're right!

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 1:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gameday prayer
One of the most hilarious guys on the internets happens to be a Louisiana fela, and he's offered up his Gameday Prayer here. Enjoy!

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 1:11 PM CST   0 recs

More hilarity
TigerSmack is offering up a reminder of whom to cheer for today...NEVER FORGET!

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 1:15 PM CST   0 recs

Game thoughts
   Thanks for your congeniality towards the OSU fan posters. Do you have the uneasy feeling that this is one of those games that could go so wrong that you won't want to read the paper tomorrow morning? Personally, I am afraid of only two things, first, trick plays always seem work on tOSU (at the most inopportune time) and second, whether we can get to your quarterback enough to create turnovers. Beanie will take care of business and so will Hester so, the passing game should be active as well.  If both teams bring their "A" game and everyone stays healthy, it should be a classic.  Thanks again, I'll post after the game.      

by 99chazz on Jan 7, 2008 3:22 PM CST   0 recs

Thanks
Appreciate your dropping by to post and your levelheadedness about the game! Good luck (but not really)...

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 4:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

SMQ's thoughts
The venerable SMQ has come out in favor of OSU, 20-16. Whew. I was beginning to think NO ONE would pick the Buckeyes. Still far too many people in our camp for me to be comfortable though.

He makes a good point, and one that we've complained about before in these parts - LSU doesn't really have the one "go-to" player in the mold of OSU's Beanie Wells. That could very well be the difference, though it hasn't seemed to matter all that much for the first 13 games of our season.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 4:19 PM CST   0 recs

I'm feeling a classic LSU loss tonight
Come out like gangbusters, but leave a few points on the board in the first quarter. Pick up a lot of stupid offensive penalties in the second half, missing a field goal and giving up 2 big, big plays, 1 on special teams.

I hope not, but there you are.

BTW, Gregg Doyel has no business calling anybody stupid-looking considering the muff he sports on his face. All in all, Les is better at his job than Doyel is at his (i.e., being the mouthpiece for arugala-belt mouthbreathers).

Geaux Tigers!

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 6:03 PM CST   0 recs

Stupid Offensive Penalties is What Worries Me
But I think we are plus +16 and OSU is -1 in turnovers this year. Thinking that is going to be a big story line in this game.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 6:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Penalties
I agree...I've already mentally conceded 75-80 yards in penalties tonight.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 7:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm all over the place on this one
I feel like it could be anything from a blow-out LSU win to a comfortable Ohio St. win.  And I can't settle anywhere on that damn spectrum.  I guess I'll just have to watch the game and see.  During a brief moment in which I was able to keep some mental stasis, I predicted on SMQ's pick thread a 31-17 LSU victory.  

In case I don't make it back during the game (I need meds other than a laptop to stabilize my gametime nerves), it's been great chatting with everyone here.  Great work on the blog GT.  It's been fun reading and posting here.  I'll probably be around some during the aftermath but I don't follow LSU nearly so much in other sports.

by crepuscular on Jan 7, 2008 6:36 PM CST   0 recs

Thanks for your participation, crepuscular!
And I appreciate the comments...hope you're right with the pick in print. I just feel like we aren't going to be the ones to put up the highest point total on the Buckeyes this year. Even 20 would be nice, in my opinion.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 6:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Can We Stop Hearing About This Darn OSU DVD
It is freaking 2008. Burning a DVD with video is something my grandmother can do. I can watch DVDs in my mothers car. And as I count them, I have seven DVD players in my house and I live by myself. It really isn't that interesting.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 6:39 PM CST   0 recs

SWEET!!!!!
Unanimous ESPN picks against the Tigers. Thank God. It was getting to be wayyyyyy too skewed in our favor.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 7:01 PM CST   0 recs

That Is Good News
3 of 4 on Around the Horn picked LSU. And Tony picked them on PTI. Wilbon only picked OSU cause he is a Big 10 guy. I was thinking the "jinx" was in.

BTW: How is that fund you launched working out :)?

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 7:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Haha, thanks for asking
Things have settled down a bit and we're doing okay, but boy some of these market days are UGLY! I appreciate your asking

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 7:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I Bet "UGLY" Might Be An Understatement
I invest a lot for my age and income bracket and I feel like I am in "safe" funds (moderate-to conservative risk) and stocks I trust in the long-term. That process took me through the dot com thing in pretty good shape and I hope it will take me through whatever is happening/about to happen in the coming months and years.

But enough about that. It is work for you. A fun thing to talk about for me. Time for football!

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 7:13 PM CST   0 recs

Well crap
Just like last year for OSU, huge start. Ugh.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 7:28 PM CST   0 recs

That Is An Understatement
I really hate to see a RB outrun our secondary.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 7:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ok Steady Up Here
put together a drive. Eat some time. Give the defense a chance to regroup.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 7:44 PM CST   0 recs

at least
there will be a lot of soft focus features hosted by Chris Myers. That way we all kind of win.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 7:46 PM CST   0 recs

At least this drive is eating up clock
And now we're fucking it up right at the end.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 7:53 PM CST   0 recs

Ok, Just What We Needed
A score and a stop. Now lets shove the ball down their throats.

Wow, that almost sucked .....

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 8:04 PM CST   0 recs

I Like That Confidence By Miles In RP
I mean he is going to be our QB next year. Now lets hope he can produce.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 8:10 PM CST   0 recs

TIE GAME!!!!

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 8:13 PM CST   0 recs

YES
OHIO STATE CAN BE MOVED ON.

And we're supposed to be the ones committing those stupid penalties

And Man Mountain - my roommate works with Chris Myers on the NFL crew and we've got some amusing stories.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 8:14 PM CST   0 recs

I always sorted of liked him
when he was at ESPN he seemed suitably sardonic when everyone started the mugging in the mid-90s, but his glorified Melissa Stark job with FOX seems to have gotten to him. Too bad he can't go back to NASCAR.

BTW, I'm liking the color guy alright, who is it?

As a Reds fan, I have to listen to tHom Brennaman way too much. He may be the most conceited dudes in that profession. Not an easy task.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 8:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Color guy
Charles Davis, played ball for Tennessee back in the 1980s. He is also a colored man so I suppose we shouldn't call him the "color guy." Call him the analyst.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 8:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Great play call by Crowton
just perfectly done.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 8:14 PM CST   0 recs

Yeah, We With Stood The 10
Quick points by OSU. Lets see how they respond.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 8:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Figures
The Tiger did run rampant in the Pretorious Era.
 

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 8:25 PM CST   0 recs

HELL YES
THAT IS HOW YOU BATTLE BACK AGAINST THE NUMBER ONE DEFENSE IN THE COUNTRY

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 8:31 PM CST   0 recs

This Has Been Impressive On Many Different Levels
to be honest I wasn't sure they had it in them.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 8:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

As a Flynn detractor I have to say
he's looked sharp so far. More please.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 8:32 PM CST   0 recs

Indeed
I've got nothing but praise

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 8:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

In A Previous Conversation w/ GT
I mentioned if I had a 5th or 6th round pick I'd take him in the draft. There is nothing "special" about him other then he does seem to know how to win. I'll take that over raw talent any day of the week.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 8:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I suppose that's why
you're not running an NFL franchise ;-)

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 8:46 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Of course...
That is what they said about Tom Brady.

NOT really making that comparison, just sayin'.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 8:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

In Light Of Tom Brady's Post College
career I hate to even mention his name in the same sentence as Flynn's, but that is exactly what they said about Brady. Mark my words if Flynn gets a chance he'll keep the starter role in the NFL.

He is fairly mobile. Makes good decisions. And again, he just wins games. And he seems, as we've all witnessed this year, to be at his best late in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.

You can teach a lot of stuff. You can't teach what Flynn seems to have in spades.

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 8:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You also can't teach arm strength
I'm also not sold on the "he just knows how to win" ballgames meme. It takes a lot of things and players going right to "just win ballgames." He's obviously got a fairly high game IQ and is fairly responsible in his decision making, but he was a major reason the Razorbacks hung around enough to win in Baton Rouge. He was also having a dog against Tennessee until he got hurt.

I like Flynn--tonight I REALLY like him--but because he's the quarterback for a terrific team and isn't an overwhelming athlete, he gets the "just knows how to win" tag, which always strikes me as fishy once we're talking NFL.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 9:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm an idiot
Flynn DNP in the championship game. That'll teach me to trust my memory.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 9:28 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I Love It!!!
Pound it three times and get that 14 point lead. HELL YES.

Defense has to hold, let's take them out of the Beanie Wells game plan entirely.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 8:45 PM CST   0 recs

I Think I Mentioned This Before
But doesn't LSU have anybody, I mean anybody we can use as a spokesperson other then James Carville? And heck I am a raging liberal and I can't stand him.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 8:54 PM CST   0 recs

That's hysterical
I'm a raging Republican and I probably hate him less than you seem to but yeah, I agree...even Shaq who did the Fox pregame bit is better.

Ali Landry's from Louisiana, couldn't she at least enroll for a semester and then leave?

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 9:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Can we annex Alabama
and get Sir Charles.

I also kind of like Carville. He looks made up.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 9:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

LOL Here, I Had To Google Ali Landry
but yeah, she would work for me.

And on the topic of attractive women from LA that Gameday Prayer link you posted was flat out hysterical.

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 9:12 PM CST   0 recs

Ok, Wait A Second
Has Russell been hanging out w/ Ricky Williams, Or at least getting fashion input from him?
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 9:16 PM CST   0 recs

That was an awesome sweater
I immediately had images of Bill Cosby

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 9:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

As A Recovering "Deadhead"
I can assure you that was a hemp cloth pull over. I actually have a few, although not as colorful and a few years (insert around 20) older.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 9:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Jamarcus
knows that Mardi Gras is a few weeks off, right?

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 9:16 PM CST   0 recs

Roughing the kicker?
What an awful call...or at least, an awful rule. I actually feel bad for Ohio State there.

Of course, we still had to go fifty yards to take the 31-10 lead after that (aided by one more personal foul), but still...

This Ohio State meltdown in terms of personal fouls is supposed to be what LSU does.

For the record, it is a Big 12 crew.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 9:41 PM CST   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing
I hate that penalty. Either let dudes go after the kicker or don't. You can't expect them to have that kind of body control.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 9:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

LSU needs to score a few more touchdowns
just to take the feathering out of Pete Carroll's locks.

by Man Mountain on Jan 7, 2008 9:46 PM CST   0 recs

Lets Not Do That
If they can't stop us running the ball and that happens so be it, but I can't stand teams that run up the score.

Now, if after the game Miles wants to call out Pete Carroll and USC .... something like "we could be at the Coliseum this Sunday if USC would like to play a pick-up game" I would be very, very cool with that.

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 9:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm hyperventilating and we have a 2 TD lead
Come on Offense, no more mistakes.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 9:55 PM CST   0 recs

Dammit, Boeckman hung in the pocket well there
Just all around good play for the 1st down.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 10:09 PM CST   0 recs

OK, Talking About Rules I Don't Like
I hate that darn QB sliding rule. There could have been a flag on that play, even though the LSU player was in motion before the slide.

Huge sack ..........

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 10:13 PM CST   0 recs

Thank Gosh There Was No Flag
That looked to me a little like "headhunting." But talk about a swarming defense.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 10:17 PM CST   0 recs

game
has gone about like I expected.

Ohio State has flashes of brilliance, but overall can't keep up the pace.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
http://www.cornnation.com

by Cornnation on Jan 7, 2008 10:21 PM CST   0 recs

I guess
But I could easily see us crapping the bed down the stretch here. Just one big play and this is a TIGHT ballgame.

Their D has played exteremely well this half other than the one TD drive where they deconstructed a bit on the one unfortunate roughing call and then a stupid personal foul.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 10:25 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

when
it comes to crunch time, LSU's defensive line has blown up the buckeye's offensive line.

much faster off the ball, although LSU does give up that first down just now.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
http://www.cornnation.com

by Cornnation on Jan 7, 2008 10:29 PM CST   0 recs

Now I Just Have To Say
In my post late this morning I called this (taking into account the 7 points off the roughing the kicker):
My gut is LSU 24/OSU 17.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 10:35 PM CST   0 recs

the blood
is running out of the buckeyes.

38-17 soon?

Go Big Red Nebraska!
http://www.cornnation.com

by Cornnation on Jan 7, 2008 10:36 PM CST   0 recs

Wow
Les Miles in three bowl games:
40-3 over #9 Miami
41-14 over #10 Notre Dame
38-24 (probably) over #1 Ohio State

Jeebus. Give that man 30 days to prepare and evidently we can take anyone.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 10:47 PM CST   0 recs

I Am Not Even Close To Somebody
that thinks Miles is winning with Saban's talent. But I am still going to be very interested to see what happens next year.

As the announcers mentioned, LSU is well on their way to creating one of the best programs in the nation.

Of course, that is something I am VERY HAPPY about! And I don't see how anybody can argue that isn't 110% accurate.

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 10:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Something I Hadn't Thought Of
If Dorsey goes #1 that will be two years in a row for an LSU player. That is pretty darn cool as well.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 10:53 PM CST   0 recs

Yes indeed
This feels so good....what a damn fine comeback after the ugly start!

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 11:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

congrats
on your season. We'll take Pelini now. :)

Have fun, guys!

Go Big Red Nebraska!
http://www.cornnation.com

by Cornnation on Jan 7, 2008 11:00 PM CST   0 recs

Thanks CN
I think you've got yourself a pretty decent head coach, Mr Husker!

by GeauxTigers on Jan 7, 2008 11:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thanks As Well CN
it was always nice to have a fan from another school that didn't talk "shit" but just liked to talk college football. And as GT said, you have a pretty good coach coming your way.
Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Jan 7, 2008 11:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

End of Game comment

  I said I would post after the game.  First of all, congratulations on your victory, enjoy your spotlight.  This is very frustrating for me because I have been a Buckeye fan for over forty years but I won't bail on this team.  Hopefully, we'll pull ourselves together in short order and make another run at it.  To those SEC/LSU posters who are throwing crap on the OSU fan forums tonight.... well, never mind, my words will be lost on them anyway.  I have enjoyed visiting your forum and again thank you for being cordial. See you next year.    

by 99chazz on Jan 7, 2008 11:41 PM CST   0 recs

Thanks
While the score looked a little out of hand at 38-17, obviously just two plays could have made the difference (roughing the kicker, Robiskie broken up TD pass). Rough that the cards fell that way for you guys, and I wish you all the best in the future.

Just glad our offense showed we could move the ball on a defense as formidable as yours.

And in the end, this game had nothing to do with SEC Speed.

by GeauxTigers on Jan 8, 2008 12:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

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