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I think the LSU football program has suffered from some bad luck this year.  It is clear that the unfortunate quarterback situation has probably cost us at least one and possibly two games this year.  I think if we had average quarterbacking, we probably would have won the Bama game, and may have won the Georgia game.  If that had happened, where would this team be now?  Would we have played so listlessly against Ole Miss?

Granted, I don't think there was much LSU could have done to beat Florida the way they played that day.  Florida had laid its egg for the season against Ole MIss, and they just didn't do it again.  If Florida had played like they played against Ole Miss, we could well have beaten them, but the Florida team we faced was very different from the one that had lost a couple weeks earlier.

But LSU has not just suffered from bad luck.  We also took a couple of missteps, most notably I believe it is apparent that the defensive coordinator position must be shaken up.  I don't necessarily think either Bradley Dale Peveto or Doug Mallory need to be sacked, but the defensive schemes and plans have failed miserably, particularly in the secondary.  

Sometimes, when a team goes to a multi wide receiver set, it looks like we are playing with 10 men.  The players miss a lot of assignments, and often play so softly in coverage that they just concede first downs or solid gains without a fight.  I don't know if that problem is a) the players, b) the fact that their position coach is responsible for the defense as a whole and does not have enough time to devote to them, c) that the position coach is not a competent coach, or d) some combination, but whatever it is it has to be corrected.  If it can be corrected by moving Mallory back to a full time position coach, that's fine.  If we need a new secondary coach, that's fine too.  

I think Les Miles has been a good coach for us, and he will certainly have an opportunity to right the ship here.  But he MUST right it, or at the very least he must do something that will have a good chance of righting it.  If Les Miles sticks with the status quo, he is betting his job on the gamble that the secondary play will improve dramatically next year.  

Even if Les Miles genuinely believes that Mallory and Peveto are doing a fine job as co-DC's and as position coaches, he would be smart to make a change anyway to avoid the perception that he's blind to the problems and digging his head in the sand.  He must do something to win back the confidence of the fan base, because if he thinks they showed little patience this year, he should see what happens next year if he changes nothing and the problems persist.  If he changes nothing, the fans will be merciless the first time a receiver is left open down the field, even if that's in the 10th game of the season.

Which brings me to the last topic in this discussion of the direction of the program: the fans.  Guys, the leaving early and the booing have to stop.  This is not the New York Knicks or the Philadelphia Flyers.  We are not a fickle, negative group of hard-nosed yankees who revel in our love-hate relationship with the team.  We are a proud football program in the southern tradition of worshiping the ground our team walks on, even when they're not as good as hoped.  Plus, it actually does hurt the program to have the stadium half-empty midway through the fourth quarter, even when the game is pretty much decided.  

I'm not saying everyone should stay to the bitter end, but having so many of us leave so early is getting embarrassing.  And the boos?  There's just no way that's helpful.  The boos do nothing but hurt the team and embarrass the program.  You should never do it.  NEVER.

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Our QB play isn't bad luck.

It’s just bad.

Injuries are bad luck.

But the QB play is a product of coaching, and the team surrounding the player. Our WR’s have dropped too many balls, and our coaches haven’t put the team in the best position to win.

by LSU Jonno on Nov 25, 2008 8:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Enough already

About the booing: I’m not sure I can stomach another self-righteous post about how a Tiger fan is supposed to behave. I’m not trying to disrespect Richard Pittman and his personal opinions and blatherings, but at the same time, I’ve been a Tiger fan for almost 40 years. I’ve lived and breathed Tiger sports. No one is going to tell me that I’m not a true fan or how a true fan should or should not act. It’s to the point where I’m questioning my level of participation on this board. If you want every fan to think and act exactly the same, in unison even, then you’ll have your wish when you weed out fans who just may have a different take on things every now and then. While fans may not think it be very proper or bring no good to the overall aura of the team, when there is yet another pick-six thrown, some fans are going to boo. Get over it. Don’t say it should NEVER be done. It’s a damn football game, not a golf tournament.

by CajunCavern on Nov 25, 2008 10:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

True fans

I have never once said that anyone is not a “true fan” or a “real fan”. It’s a term I don’t like, the same way I don’t like when people are called “real Americans.” I am not saying the people who boo aren’t real fans. All I say is that they hurt the team and the program. It’s a selfish thing to do that does not in any help and in every way hurts. If you want the program to succeed, you should avoid it.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Nov 25, 2008 10:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ah, okay, fine.

Omit my sentence that contains the words “true fan,” and replace it with “no one is going to tell me how to act at a football game.” We can agree to disagree. “It’s a selfish thing to do that does not in any (way) help and in every way hurts” “you should avoid it” according to Richard Pittman. I’m in no way saying that fans should boo if things are not going well. My comments reflect a tiring of the self-righteous arbitration of what fans should or should not do. Are you the judge of Tiger nation? Nope. You’re just another couyon fan with many opinions. I’m sorry that booing upsets you so. It happens. As I’ve pointed out, it’s football – there is no other venue like it. It’s your opinion and not fact that it hurts the program, and make no mistake that many fans that boo want the program to succeed.

by CajunCavern on Nov 25, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't mean your not a true fan when you boo the program...

It makes you a dumb fan.

Booing doesn’t help the program…therefore it hurts the program, that is a fact. The fact you don’t believe that shows your ignorance. Just because you hold no absolutes in your argument doesn’t mean they don’t exist, it just means you are too stupid to understand them or too weak to follow them.

So sure you have the right to act however you want to act and continue to believe that you are a true fan no matter who you boo and justify your actions by stating that you’ve been a tiger fan for 40 years like you’ve got fan tenure or something but everyone else has the right to continue to call a spade a spade, or in this case call a moron a moron.

No one is going to tell me that I’m not a true fan or how a true fan should or should not act. It’s to the point where I’m questioning my level of participation on this board.

For someone defending dishing criticism, you sure don’t TAKE IT well.

by LSU Jonno on Nov 25, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A bit harsh, but I can take it.

It’s fine to me if you care to lower your standards to call me dumb or a moron.

For the record, I do not boo our own players. I never claimed to. I only commented when Tiger nation was called “selfish,” etc. Your post was agressive and ugly and yet you would bash other Tiger fans for booing. lawildbull was careful with his remarks, even though it was in disagreement with my post – something respectable. Are you crossing lines and burning bridges with me? I would hope that you would discuss an issue rather than trashing a fellow Tigers viewpoint in that way. I respect your opinion, harsh as it is.

by CajunCavern on Nov 25, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We can argue all day about lowering standards, harsh words, and being self-righteous...

But nothing said on this board so far is as low or as harsh as booing your own team…

So if you think my above post was harsh, imagine how the players feel when fans boo them. Imagine how the recruits feel when they hear boos from their host crowd.

I shouldn’t have called you a moron, however your statement:

It’s your opinion and not fact that it hurts the program, and make no mistake that many fans that boo want the program to succeed.

…is simply untrue. You should read this story about the effects of the Tennessee fans booing their own team. Maybe this will help to change your tone regarding fans booing. I think fan’s like yourself who either boo, or defend booing would have quite the change of heart if Russell Shepard decided he wasn’t going to attend LSU because he no longer was in love with the atmosphere of Tiger Stadium after the Troy game.

by LSU Jonno on Nov 26, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True, we could argue all day....

but let’s not and say we did. :)

I’m all for keeping peace with my fellow Tigers. I bleed Purple & Gold the same as anyone else – and for the 100th time, I do not boo my Tigers on the field.

However, it’s ironic that you would spit venom my direction because of my opinion (right or wrong) – in essence you booed me with the same ugliness that is used to boo our players. But, I’m a grown man. I can take it. I couldn’t care less what you think of my opinion as I’m sure Richard didn’t care what I thought of his post.

Thank you for that article. I’ve heard that a wise man changes his mind often, but a fool never does. Here’s my new take:
I believe -Booing is counterproductive
I believe – fans boo at football games and we would sooner turn back a hurricane than to change that.
I believe – cheering and booing at football games didn’t not start this season.

Geaux Tigers!!!

by CajunCavern on Nov 26, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DC's...

You got two, you got none. I am astounded, with the talent, how out of sync this year’s LSU squad is. QB play has to get a pass b/c these VERY young kids got tossed straight into the fire when RP decided to go all-Brendan Frasier lunkhead. Yes, the pick-sixes are calamitous, but it’s the defense, out of position -blowing coverages – failing to wrap up, that is the true culprit. I don’t think Miles can look at game tape of any of the four losses and conclude that the greatest problem is anything BUT coaching.

by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 25, 2008 11:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Have you guys heard about this or is it just a crazy rumor?

http://blog.nola.com/gladow/2008/11/rumors_speculating_lsus_les_mi.html

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You know

Normally when someone posts a rumor about a teams coach possible going to another school you might get some people to at least comment about it. No matter how far off the chance……

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Nov 25, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Miles is on UW's list...

His name is probably located right under Saban’s.

by LSU Jonno on Nov 25, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't we learned from last year?

Didn’t ESPN have it as a report (rather than just a rumor) that Miles would be taking the Michigan job? And they broke the “story” at a peculiar time too. How much truth was in that one?

by artiger on Nov 25, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said, Pittman

I really sympathize with Lee. If what you reported yesterday is true (and I have no reason to suspect it isn’t), it’s a sharp reminder that these are real people out on the field who really feel the pressure and really take it personally. And some of them are still teenagers.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 25, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously. That poor kid is like a pledge 8 weeks into pledgeship. I haven’t seen ANY justifiable reason for booing him. It one thing to boo a coach for punting on 4th and short or running dives while your behind by 10 late in the fourth quarter or whatever. Booing a redshirt freshman put in such a hard situation is just hateful and counterproductive.

That being said, I don’t think someone is a moron for booing a player like Jarrett Lee.
Is it irrational? Yes.
Does it hurt him, the team, and consequently the fan booing? Yes.

Everybody is frustrated here: the player at himself, the booing fan at the player, the non booing fans at booing fans, the non booing fans at the player, the booing fans at non booing fans for telling them not to boo, and now the players at the booing fans for booing.

The situation is entirely understandable, but it is also a bit ridiculous. The tiger nation is beating the hell out of itself and it needs to stop.

by nepomo on Nov 25, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And the frustration goes beyond booing. There’s constant fighting about leaving the games, the state of the program, etc. There’s NOTHING wrong with disagreements, but the current state of affairs is degenerating far beyond the realm of an exchanging of ideas and opinions. Not nearly as much on this board, but if you’ve been on many others. I think you know what Im talking about.

by nepomo on Nov 25, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What other boards?

Gentlemen,

I have gravitated to ATVS in an attempt to find a board that was not filled with non-sensical emotional posts that simply turned my stomach. I believe that the fans on this board are all concerned with the future of the Tiger nation. We can, in the moment of emotion, allow ourselves to become so defensive of our own position that we are no longer exchanging thoughts and ideas, but simply beginning to argue for argument’s sake.

A well thought out debate of the issues becomes a learning experience for us all. We all can agree on four things:

1. We Love The Tigers
2. We are disappointed/frustrated/disheartened/(add your own adjective) about this season.
3. We all have opinions about where the problems lie.
4. We all have solutions.

Let us start there, and become slightly less ready to boo each other for our thoughts as they are only that, our thoughts.

by lawildbull on Nov 25, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Am Reminded

I have heard Boo’s at every football game I have attended but they have been directed at the opposing team. If we think that boo-ing the opposing team is going to have an impact on the way they play, why then would we not also believe that boo-ing our TIGERS is going to have an impact on how they play.

I am now over the 60 mark and am most thankful that there is no one following me around and boo-ing when I make a mistake. I understand that it is just a way of letting the coach and players know that we are less than pleased with the performance, but I also understand that encouragement goes far in the success of the team. We are encouraging the players to be negative – “If I miss this assignment, the fans will boo me so I will try much harder…darn, I was thinking too hard and not playing the game…there go the boos.”

Don’t know the answer, guys, but have to agree with Richard on this one. This is not being self-righteous or judgemental, simply expressing a long held position that support of your team means support in the good or in the bad. When my children made a mistake, I always tried to support them, while pointing out the error of their ways. We all, as TIGER fans, have a right, no, the obligation, to express our opinions of what is right or wrong with the team, but we can also be kind and considerate of their efforts.

by lawildbull on Nov 25, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't worry too much about the direction of the program

I have been as critical of Les Miles as anyone, and he showed me something last year. His reputation as a mental lightweight who inherited a ton of talent (a stereotype I previously helped perpetuate) was disproven in 2007, when Coach Miles’s bold yet shrewd coaching decisions won a national championship his team would not have captured without him.

These things are cyclical. While no team can be satisfied with the status quo, even elite teams go through brief (and temporary) downturns. In the 21st century, the three elite teams in the S.E.C. (in terms of won-lost records, conference championship game appearances, and final rankings) have been (alphabetically, so as not to start an argument) Florida, Georgia, and L.S.U.

The Bulldogs went into a slump in 2006 and finished 9-4. They bounced back in 2007 and finished second in the country. The Gators went into a slump in 2007 and finished 9-4. They bounced back and likely will play for the national championship in 2008. The Tigers went into a slump in 2008 and probably will finish 9-4. They’ll bounce back in 2009. Count on it.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 25, 2008 8:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

those other two teams

had a lot more to offer in the qb department. just sayin’.

by gerry dorsey on Nov 25, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As Always

your thoughts and well-wishes are greatly appreciated.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Nov 26, 2008 6:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

am i wrong?

if you’re going to make the comparison i think its worth mentioning.

don’t get all sensitive now. i may not be in the lsu fan base, but i never come over here and start shit or flame.

by gerry dorsey on Nov 26, 2008 7:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gerry, I think Richard was replying to Kyle’s post, not yours.

by The Bengal on Nov 26, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

aahhh...i think you're right

[insert “bama fans are idiots” joke here]

by gerry dorsey on Nov 26, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

idiot.
:)

by nepomo on Nov 26, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boooooooooooooooo!

People who think we should replace Miles because of this season deserve to be booed. In 4 seasons he’s made one serious mistake—the co-defensive coordinators. Other than that, all his big decisions have been good. Even dropping Perrilloux was the right thing to do despite the cost.

On the topic of booing…look, fans boo things they don’t like, just as they cheer things they like. I see the point about it being counterproductive. I wouldn’t do it, and I don’t like it, but the whining about the booing is nearly as irritating.

by uberschuck on Nov 25, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Some good comments here...

Enjoying watching this board grow Richard. I feel I’ve found a board that’s not dominated by cursing, cut downs and filth although I know you can’t always control that. Keep up the good work here.

by Totally Spoil on Nov 26, 2008 7:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry about not participating more in discussion

It is really quite impossible for me to comment while at work. First, it is against work rules. Second, even when I’m doing my own thing at lunch, it seems my ancient work computer doesn’t know how to get the commenting thing right. It makes it very hard.

I’m not deliberately ignoring the discussion. It’s just hard for me to participate.

A couple points. First, dissent is tolerated here. You don’t have to agree with me to post. The rules are pretty simple: no abuse, either towards the players, other posters, or the writing team. Profanity is tolerated if it’s kept to a minimum. This place is generally meant to be something that parents would allow their children to read if they wanted to read it. Even though things have gotten a little heated here, or at least lukewarm, everything’s been kept above board, so keep that up.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Nov 27, 2008 6:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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