Alabama 27 - LSU 21: Snap Judgments
I really don't relish being critical of Jarrett Lee. The fact is, he was supposed to be carrying a clipboard and then competing for the starting job in a year or two. He has been thrust into the role of carrying this football team from the quarterback position way before he's ready, and we're only doing it because there really isn't a choice.
What's more, Andrew Hatch, who spelled Lee and helped move the chains with his running, is not around to be a security blanket. I think that is an unexplored explanation for his recent struggles.
I think Lee has a future as a quarterback. I think that because what I see from him fits with what you expect of a talented but inexperienced player. We see moments of brilliance and shocking mistakes. The idea is that if a player had limited upside, you wouldn't see the moments of brilliance, and when he gets the experience we won't see the shocking mistakes anymore.
There is much to be said positive about Lee even now. At one point in the game, Lee was 5 of 20 with 1 touchdown and 3 interceptions, and he finished the night 9 of 14, with of course the one interception. The kid doesn't quit. He keeps playing. We've seen this over and over again, first against Auburn when he threw that horrible interception and came back to play very well in the second half while leading us to victory.
Even with all Lee's struggles today, if Chris Mitchell had come down with that catch when Lee dropped it right into his arms, we probably win this game.
And the sad thing is, with the exception of Lee's play, this was our most complete performance of the season. The defense was OUTSTANDING. We were strong against the run all night, and we didn't have the bad coverage breakdowns we've seen. Our secondary was at its best all night. Never was there a wide receiver open deep for Alabama.
The offensive line played as well as it has all season. We didn't break a lot of long runs, but we didn't have a lot of negative plays either, and we ran the ball consistently well, averaging 4.4 yards per carry. The receivers broke open consistently. Lee just missed them a lot. On the interception returned for a touchdown, Lee was trying to get the ball to Terrance Toliver, who was open. The throw simply missed; it led him too much. There were several throws like this.
Sadly, our "scoring defense" average will actually get worse due to this game, but Alabama scored two of its touchdowns while accumulating only 15 yards of offense. They scored 3 of their 4 touchdowns while accumulating only 40 yards of offense. Only once was Alabama able to score when they weren't given a short field or a defensive touchdown.
It is said that whenever you play a freshman quarterback, he will lose you two games. Lee lost this game. There's just no other way to say it. Or rather, I should say, our lack of options other than Jarrett Lee, combined with his ineffectiveness for much of the game, combined to cause this loss.
I think I'm going to avoid message boards and talk radio this week. I'm pretty down about this loss, but I don't want to experience the negativity that will undoubtedly spew. I think that out of the LSU players on the field, most of them earned a win tonight. The offensive linemen earned a win. Charles Scott and Keiland Williams earned a win. Demetrius Byrd earned a win. Tyson Jackson earned a win. Kelvin Sheppard, Marlon Favorite, Ricky Jean-Francois, Drake Nevis, Patrick Peterson, Chris Hawkins, and Danny McCray earned a win. Darry Beckwith and Jacob Cutrera earned a win, as did Rahim Alem and Kirston Pittman. Jai Eugene and Chad Jones earned a win. Ryan Baker and Ron Brooks earned a win on special teams. Brady Dalfrey earned a win.
Only a handful did not earn a win, but that was enough to keep them all from getting the win they earned.
It was an outstanding game, and both teams really came to play. It really was a clash of heavyweights, and while we are not quite at the point right now where we can get the wins in these games, we will get back there soon.
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Agreed
Hugely frustrating loss, many times moreso than the Florida and Georgia games. Those became comical; this one was still very much winnable despite Lee. And against a No. 1 Alabama being brought to Baton Rouge for the first time under Saban in a last shot for redemption this year … just crushing.
I don’t know that I’d go all-caps OUTSTANDING for the defense (probably just shows how our expectations have dropped) because they gave Alabama nearly their average for yards and just 12 fewer than Arkansas State did, but they held when they had to (nine drives resulting in punts or turnovers) and absolutely did what they needed to do. That was a refreshing change.
And we do need to know where Jefferson was. Miles said this week he was getting him ready to play and planned to play him, but got snippy with Tracy at halftime about it. There’s got to be something more to the story of why he never got in.
by Cap'n Ken on
Nov 8, 2008 8:16 PM CST
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From a Bammer!
Your boys played there best game of the year. The secondary stepped up large. I haven’t watched a game that good in years. Maybe your fans can learn a little from the team. The fans have no right to be hateful to Saban. Without him you’d still be getting beat every year in Red Stick. I’ve been to 4 games in Red Stick and had a great time each time. Never had to leave a loser! The hate towards Saban has been disgraceful and shown no class.
Without Saban, you tigers would not have 2 National Championships, be thankful, I will be happy to have 2 and then he leaves. Roll Tide!
by KTMflyboy on
Nov 8, 2008 8:56 PM CST
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Not all of us hate Saban,
just a vocal and visible minority, who happen to multiply when talk radio and TV cameras are around. I’ve got nothing but gratitude for what he did while he was here, resurrecting us from the dead. Sure, I wished he wouldn’t have resurfaced in the SEC West, but I can’t blame him for taking a better opportunity than would have popped up any other time or place.
by artiger on
Nov 8, 2008 9:16 PM CST
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If I were Lee,
I’d do some serious drinking tonight, then get up tomorrow, shake off the hangover, and move on. I agree that the loss weighs most on him, but, as has been mentioned earlier, he’s inexperienced, and JPW’s “seasoning” just emphasized that. I don’t want to throw Crayton under the bus any more than Lee, but I have to wonder about some of the playcalling late, given the events of Lee’s game. Easy to say in hindsight.
And I would agree with Cap’n, I won’t go so far as to say the defense was that great. It was definitely above average, and better than what we have seen from them all year. The secondary was much improved. The defense played well enough to win the game, but were put in difficult situations.
by artiger on
Nov 8, 2008 8:36 PM CST
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I keep thinking of the Will Rogers quote when I think of Lee and his problems. “Good judgement comes with experience and much of that comes from bad judgement.” Lee has a learning curve, thrown into the fire before anticipated. While I am also disappointed on one level, on the other, more realistic level, I am proud of our Tigers and their game tongiht. During the intensity of the game, I, like many others, thought that Lee should be benched. However, in retrospect, I think Lee learned much tonight and LSU did take the #1 team in the nation to Overtime.
by lawildbull on
Nov 8, 2008 8:52 PM CST
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Yes, Lee has a future, and yes, he fights back and makes plays when many others might fold, but he has become more of a liability than an asset. He’ll get better, but how fast?
I disagree that all those guys who played well earned a win. I understand what you are trying to say, but it’s a bad attitude for a team. We lost the game, and it’s not a matter of some guys earning a win and others losing. The team lost.
by uberschuck on
Nov 8, 2008 10:07 PM CST
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So disappointed
It is extremely disappointing to watch one player lose an entire game for a team. I am a die hard LSU fan but I just cannot understand why Jarrett Lee was kept in the game.
He could not even complete a short pass with accuracy. LSU had open wide receivers all night and should have been able to see Saban off with a going away party he deserved.
I am even more disappointed in Les Miles for playing extremely passive. He should have put Jefferson in because Lee was not taking care of business.
Check out this funny site on Jarrett Lee as a LSU Quarterback
by snakendgrass on
Nov 9, 2008 12:59 AM CST
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I didn't find that site amusing,
but I agree that it would have been nice to see Jefferson get in the game, even if for just a series or two. It might have led to something besides a three and out.
by artiger on
Nov 9, 2008 1:29 AM CST
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I too am disappointed and borderline disgusted
I can relate to snakendgrass and his disappointment……whew…tough game and tough loss. I think most of the offense did a marvelous job. I also believe our defense played incredibly big and great.
I think a long and hard look at the offensive play calling by crowton and the decisions by Les Miles not to play another quarterback when the current quarterback is having such a dreadful day of football. In the third quarter, I saw the faces of the young defenses players after Lee threw another interception and their faces were clearly looks of (you have got to be joking me…he threw another pick?) frustration.
I have to say, I dont understand why Les Miles refuses to play any other QB when then current one is obviously not ready to play in the SEC yet. I think Miles has forgotten that he was hired to win football games not to lose them. I cannot say often enough ,that I understand a loss now and then will occur yet i also know that Miles knows that Lee was having another bad if not horrible day at the ball park.
I guess its going to take more time for lee to develope his skills and I guess that means Miles will still play him even though Miles knows Lee will most likely have other bad days and perhaps be the player that contributes to another loss. I think Miles is a good man, but Miles needs to understand that Fans including myself do not enjoy losing a game via self destruction and certainly its not fair to the other players on the team who might not be having such a bad game day. This is my hind thought for sure,yet what if Miles would have played Jefferson and what if we would have won the game? And how would I feel if jefferson would have lost the game? Well It certainly wouldnt have felt as dissapointed as I did yesterday knowing Lee had thrown 4 interception which contributed greatly to LSU self destruction . Miles needs to shake himself awake and to consider what he was hired for. Winning whenever possible……Losing (les) less frequently.
E.C. Inabed
by E.C. Inabed on
Nov 9, 2008 10:09 AM CST
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It was a great game.
Kudos to LSU for the effort. I thought the game was not going to be as difficult for Bama, and I was proven wrong today.
But to be fair about one of your comments, two of the three LSU TD’s were fairly short drives. One started around LSU’s 45 and the other one started at around the 30. I think the main thing we learn from this basically is that both teams were playing solid defense and the offenses just had to capitalize on the mistakes that were made.
Again it was a great game. See ya next year.
by jsholt969 on
Nov 9, 2008 1:00 AM CST
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I knew this would be
our toughest game this year and I was proven right. LSU is a great team and I’m glad to have gotten out of BR with a W. Don’t be too hard on Jarrett Lee, nobody on your team tried harder than that kid. Maybe Miles didn’t put in the freshman, because he really sees something in redshirting him this year, or he really sees something in Lee. Please don’t treat him as badly as some did Jamie Howard after that horrible Auburn loss which was not his fault, but many blamed him for. Sometimes the coaches and their decisions are what puts a quarterback in a bad situation. I like LSU right after Bama and just want you to know I think it was a hell of a game.
by TexasTideGirl on
Nov 9, 2008 8:20 AM CST
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Richard
I think you are overestimating the degree to which freshman quarterbacks are doomed to fail. Jartett Lee, bless his heart, simply does not appear very good at playing football. I don’t think there is a chance he will get much better. I hope hope hope I am wrong about this. I am holding out for Russell Sheppard.
by Gregatron on
Nov 9, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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a very good point...
And the sad thing is, with the exception of Lee’s play, this was our most complete performance of the season. The defense was OUTSTANDING. We were strong against the run all night, and we didn’t have the bad coverage breakdowns we’ve seen. Our secondary was at its best all night. Never was there a wide receiver open deep for Alabama.
i’m very glad you mentioned this. …i had a similar thought and i’ve been somewhat stunned that it’s not the general perception of the way LSU played yesterday.
reading the pundits this morning the common theme seemed to be how flawed Bama is due to the closeness of this contest. what seemed clear to me watching was that – outside of lee’s problems – this was the most formidable LSU has looked all year. coming out with a win against one of the most talented units in the land returning to their true level of play should be lauded, not derided.
these are two teams with a ton of talent who came into the game with a clear desire to win. there was no lack of intensity or focus on either side. despite the closeness of the score i turned off the television feeling more confident about my team than just about any contest this year. and i certainly don’t feel any more comfortable about playing LSU again any time soon.
by kleph on
Nov 9, 2008 1:58 PM CST
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Better Late Than Never...
I’ve read most, not all, of the comments. Most seem to indicate sticking with Lee is the right thing to do at this time. Here’s my 3 cents worth… it boils down to this, sometimes “The Guy” is not the “The Guy” just ask Tennessee, i.e. Crompton. Crompton waited in the wings behind Ainge for his turn to be “The Guy” and when his turn came he wasn’t up to the task. Suppose Lee had waited another year or two to get his chance would he be any better equipped to be an SEC quarterback? Who knows for sure. You may look like “The Guy” in practice but anyone would agree that come game day in front of 90+ thousand jacked up Tiger fans it’s a whole different ballgame. This may be as good as Lee ever gets or he may be the next coming at some point. Time will tell. In the meantime my personal opinion is that there needs to be a plan B. With the season over as far as national recognition goes now is the time to start planning for next year. While Alabama is riding Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson off into the sunset we need to get a start finding out who’s going to be “Our Guy” next year. If we can rotate Hatch and Lee why not Lee and Jefferson? Just my opinion… and you know what they say about opinions :o)
by Tiger6367 on
Nov 11, 2008 7:35 AM CST
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