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Still Fighting the Civil War at Alex Box? Of Course Not!

We've all seen this now-classic image from the Super Regional:

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via deadspin.com

It has been brought to my attention now that multiple writers are pointing to this as an example of the backwardness and offensiveness of LSU fans.  First, the proprietor of Corn Nation sent me an email pointing me to a blog that I will not link, and that was the first hint of problems, but I wrote it off as just some crank with an ax to grind about LSU.  

Now, I have seen another critical post at Deadspin.

Looking at things from the casual fans' perspective, I can see how the world-at-large is getting confused about the meaning of this sign, because all they see is the sign itself; not the events surrounding it.  The surrounding events put the sign in context and make it, frankly, hilarious.  Not rude.

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To understand it, first you have to at least know what the UC-Irvine coach said about LSU fans in the paper the morning of this game.  He said when asked to compare the atmosphere at LSU to the atmosphere at Nebraska, where they had previously played, "It was a sea of red, but they are not a hostile group.  They're not on you and they're not rude and they're not vicious and they know the Civil War is over and they know how to act.  Now, I don't mean to suggest [that LSU is like this].  I really don't."

The sign appeared at the game later that night.  It was designed to mock Coach Gillespie's ignorant comments about LSU fans, not to be a political statement about the historical ramifications of the Civil War.  You may notice the casual "2 outta 3" reference to the format of a Super Regional.

Believe it or not, there is rarely a political demonstration relating to the Civil War at LSU sporting events.  People seeing the sign at the game would have been very familiar with Gillespie's quote and would have known what the sign referenced.  The casual fan from elsewhere in the country, probably not so much.

And I would suggest that if LSU sports fans are on the whole so blatantly racist as to make comments like this sincerely (rather than sarcastically), we probably would not have given UC-Irvine's African-American center fielder a rousing ovation when he recovered from cramps sufficiently enough to return to the game later that night.

To recap that event, UC-Irvine was leading the series 1-0 and leading the game 7-2 when Ollie Linton collapsed near the plate following a pop-out.  He had suddenly cramped up and had to be helped off the field.  When he trotted from the dugout to his spot in center, he got a loud cheer from the Tiger faithful who appreciated how well he had played in the series to that point.  

I would like to re-iterate, at that time, we were down by 5 runs and facing elimination.  Things looked bleak for the Tigers, but the fans still showed good sportsmanship.  And it was to an African-American opposing player to boot.

Look, I'm not saying LSU fans don't have their plainly racist elements.  They certainly do, but this is not an example of it.  While there are "elements" within LSU communities that are none-too-fond of the events of the last 160 years, it really is the exception rather than the rule, and such a public display of it as this would not be kindly received.

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I will respectfully disagree...

I could be mistaken, but I think Gillespie’s comment about the Civil War occurred prior to the start of the super regional. Gillespie’s comment was definitely uncalled for.

That being said, the banner was in poor taste, plain and simple. Many people believe the Civil War was fought over slavery, which makes this, at the very least, appear racist. What were these guys thinking? At no time when they were making this banner, did they not think that it would be seen by America and make LSU fans seem like idiots who wished the South had won the Civil War and slavery was not abolished. Do we remember that the university had to ban the flying of the Confederate flag on campus?

I doubt that anybody (other than LSU fans) heard about Gillespie’s comment, but America saw the banner. Keep your comments to yourself.

by GasHouseGorillas on Jun 13, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The audience for whom it was intended knew all about Gillespie’s comments. His comments were frankly, stupid as all hell. This sign was meant to point out the ridiculousness of Gillespie’s comments, and honestly until last night I had no inkling that the nation as a whole was looking at this a different way. And believe me, I am really sensitive to negative racial portrayals in sports.

If the banner-holding-guys made any mistake, it was in not considering that sports fans around the country wouldn’t know the context of the sign. In context, the sign has no political significance other than to point out Gillespie’s stereotypes of Southerners. The guys holding that banner were apparently embracing the stereotype ironically, trying to point out the absurdity of the stereotype. Honestly, once it’s put in context, I don’t see why people think it’s a big deal, other than being ignorant of the context.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Jun 13, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

... and I'll disagree with you

First off, your facts are wrong, too. The Civil War was fought over states’ rights vs. the federal government, not slavery. Also, the university banned flying a purple-and-gold version of the Confederate flag, which also happened to be a battalion battle flag in the Civil War.

I don’t think “America” saw the banner, just some bloggers and people who read them. And, they’ll forget about it in two weeks. Outside of the Southeast, most people don’t really care about college baseball. People get offended by anything and everything. I’m not saying racism is acceptable by any means, I’m saying there are far too many people who get hurt over the simplest of things and are looking for a reason to be offended, like this. It was a joke about the Super Regional and UC Irvine’s coach, get over it.

by ronnie4215 on Jun 14, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the record

I don’t agree with this. You can say the Civil War was about “states’ rights”, but what did the states want the right to do that they were willing to go to war to keep getting to do? I think we know the answer to that.

The issue here, however, is that this banner really has nothing to do with the Civil War, except as a prop.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Jun 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get over it people!

Richard,
I believe ignorance still exist on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line. And sadly, some people have forgotten how to laugh at themselves. I haven’t and that was funny.

Go Tigers!

by Totally Spoil on Jun 13, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also respectfully disagree

Not living in BR anymore, this was actually the first I had heard of this. I have to say I agree with the first commenter. Even granting the people who made and displayed the sign may have had no other intent other than a humorous comeback to Gillespie’s comment, five seconds of reflection on how a black person in the stands or on the field might react to a message proclaiming a desire to go two out of three on the Civil War should have raised some questions about the propriety of that sign. At best it’s a display of insensitivity and poor judgment. Either way, it’s a poor reflection on us as fans and alumni of LSU, particularly in light of this video that got a lot of play earlier this year.

by The Bengal on Jun 13, 2008 12:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

backhanded compliment of the highest order

as a person who looks for reasons to bash on lsu and their fans…that sign, in and of itself, is pure genius. every fanbase has their idiots, and my biased opinion is that lsu has a higher percentage than most schools, but this is not one of those situations. lighten up people.

by gerry dorsey on Jun 13, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought that sign was great...

I don’t care what kind of crap we take for it. People who are in the know, know that it is funny, and those who aren’t think we are obnoxious.

I thought the goal was to be obnoxious? Why do we want other fans thinking that coming to LSU will be a nice and inviting atmosphere for them?

by LSU Jonno on Jun 13, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not every reference to the Civil War is about racism. To suggest so is insulting to everyone’s intellegence. Anyone offended by the sign is frankly looking to be offended.

The sign is funny and people need to lighten the hell up.

by Poseur on Jun 13, 2008 10:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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