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98.1 The Eagle's Gordy Rush Expounds on the Quarterback Situation


Baton Rouge radio personality Gordy Rush has put out a video blog, I guess, where he previews the LSU offense.

Here, he starts his discussion of the LSU offense by saying, 

Really, I think a great example of a quarterback that didn't have a great grasp of the offense was Ryan Perrilloux in the SEC Championship Game.  LSU kept it very vanilla, very simple in that game.  Not a whole lot of "check with me" [maybe "check was made?].  What happened in that game was Tennessee and John Chavis, he's famous for being somebody that shows you a lot of fronts, makes a lot of blitzes, makes a lot of things happen, just plays a lot of games.  In a perfect world you would like a quarterback that would be able to recognize what's going on and put you in a better play.  And as a result, there were some times when Tennessee did have some big plays where LSU wasn't necessarily in the best offense that play.  I think really that's one of the plusses that Hatch and Lee bring to the table.

Really?  Why do you think that?  

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It certainly can't be all the big-time college football experience that Hatch & Lee have, because they don't have any.  Lee hasn't been on the field during a game, and Hatch attempted 2 passes last year in garbage time against MTSU.  It can't be everything we've seen of these guys on the field, because, again, we haven't seen them.

I am having a hard time envisioning what is different about Hatch and Lee compared to Perrilloux that would lead one to believe that, even though they are neither as old nor as experienced, nor as long in the system as Perrilloux was, that they would be better on-field decision-makers than Perrilloux.

For all of Perrilloux's faults, he proved to be a decent on-field decision-maker last year, rarely throwing to the wrong man.  Sure, he didn't do a lot of checkoffs, even when he was the main man, but that's to be expected of anyone who hasn't seen a lot of opposing defenses, which is a description that applies equally (or perhaps even more) to Hatch & Lee.  

What could possibly lead Gordy Rush to believe that Perrilloux didn't have a grasp of the playbook?  Or that Hatch & Lee do?  

We may have some guesses as to the attributes that Rush is looking at, but truly the world will never know.  It's certainly not from anything can be demonstrated.  One might think he's looking at factors other than play on the field, but we can never know what those factors might be.

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wow, what a great post

First let me say that I’m not really one to make lemonade out of lemons.

My buddies and I have had a similar discussion about this since the SEC Championship game. On the one hand, I’ve got a buddy who believes that RP must be the second coming of Christ because he was a 5 star QB out of highschool and he earned MVP honors at the SEC CG. On the other hand, I was extremely dissapointed at how vanilla the offense was under RP at the SEC CG, as opposed to when Flynn was under center.

This was especiallly alarming because at the SEC CG, the coaches didn’t trust RP to run as much of the offense as they trusted Flynn to do at the first game of the year. I’m not going to beat a dead horse and rant about RP, but I do think that if he was as hard of a worker as Flynn was, RP would have beaten Flynn out for the QB job last year. Maybe RP’s work ethic would have changed once he was the number one guy in line, only he didn’t appear to show that after the NC game, obviously.

So what does that mean? I think it is possible that the QB play COULD be more consistent this year without RP, with not as many of the highs or lows as RP could have brought to the table.

I look at it like this, do you think our QB play will be as good (as bad?) as it was in 2004? We only dropped 2 that year.

by LSU Jonno on Jul 28, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

You think Rush is being racist.

There, I said it for you.

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by TigerBait on Jul 28, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

The thought never occurred to me

But now that you mention it, Rush’s keen observations do seem to coincidentally correspond with racial stereotypes.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Jul 28, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

:)

lawyers…

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by TigerBait on Jul 28, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

RP and the SECCG

I don’t think the offense was vanilla b/c of RP, but b/c the game was a must-win for the team. Remember before the Arky game, we still controlled our own destiny for the national title. Arkansas beat us AT HOME, pretty much dashing our hopes for the national title. If we lost to Tennessee, Miles would’ve been skinned alive—we’d have gone from potentially playing for the national title to losing two straight games to inferior teams and playing in the Peach Bowl or something. No, Miles needed to make sure we won the SECCG to help curb the disappointment and at least salvage the season with a league title and another Sugar Bowl appearance. He didn’t want to take any chances and lose the game. That’s why the offense was conservative, not b/c of any percieved inability by RP.

by amiznit on Jul 28, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess I see that logic,

But I would reply that even given what you’ve just said, had Flynn been the QB, we’d have openned it up a little more. Think about it like this. When we played AU, it was a must win game, had they beaten us they’d have had the inside track to win the west. So it was just as much of a must win game as the SEC CG was IMO. Flynn was the QB then, and I think the offense was less vanilla in that game (in the second half).

Obviously we’ll never know if Gordy was on the something, but I think at least part of the blame has to go to RP. Personally my thought all along was RP didn’t know the playbook, so I definitely agree with Gordy.

by LSU Jonno on Jul 28, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

??

I would argue that, if winning the game were the only consideration (isn’t it ALWAYS the point of playing?), Miles would have attempted to keep UT off guard by allowing CGC to call as complex and dynamic an offensive scheme as the talent on the field allowed for. There’s nothing left to hide – let it all hang out, up the limits of the personnel.

But that’s actually what he did. The problem is, RP (and AH) weren’t able to handle the kind of game calling that MF was able to handle. MF had been on the team for 5 years. He was as mature as he was ever going to be in college.

Honestly, LSU didn’t have a backup who was ready to step in and play the same scheme as MF. Clearly RP was more ready than AH or JL. He just wasn’t as ready as MF.

I still think there is non-racist merit in wondering why RP didn’t get the entire offense to play with during the Tenn game. I think the answer likely (though we’ll never know) has something to do with his off-field work ethics and the distractions going on in his life. Just a guess. I’m betting he just didn’t know the playbook and the schemes well enough. Because, let’s face it, MF didn’t have an all-star year. RP clearly had more tools. He could’ve threatened MF for the job. He didn’t.

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by TigerBait on Jul 28, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perillioux vs. Hatch/Lee

Guys enough with the racist stuff. I don’t think Gordy meant anything racist by his comments.

I think Gordy was just making a poor and feeble attempt to try and put some LSU fans at ease with an obviously bleak QB situation. From an experience level RP would be much more advantageous than Lee or Hatch. Surely we can all admit that RP had a great deal more talent and athletic ability in running and a stronger arm than either Hatch or Lee. And, as Pittman said, there is no basis to say whether RP knew the offense. Neither should his intelligence be questioned. RP was definitely smart enough. He was often too smart (smart-ass) for his own good. His only weakness was a lack of judgment and wisdom which lead to his ultimate termination.

As far as work ethic, no on knows but the coaches or insiders concerning RPs work ethic. RP would have lowered moral on the team as well as created an environment and attitude that star players can get away with anything they want and Miles would not do anything. Miles “showed” what he would do which is more important than what he said to the players. The words were insignificant compared to the example that there would be scholarship ending CONSEQENCES for breaking team rules. Then Miles gave an encore presentation by kicking Jarvis Jones off the team for those players that may have been confused by RP’s dismissal.

RP’s dismissal had nothing to do with confidence in Lee & Hatch. Miles may be a gambler, but the statistics from the history of college football scream that LSU will not do well with Lee or Hatch at QB this year. What the statistics point toward is 3-4 losses, not winning the SEC Champ. game or going to the NC. I’m not saying LSU has no chance. What I am saying is that the odds are vastly against us and the times where a RS Freshman or non-starter transfer has come in and won 10+ games are few in comparison to the vast majority of teams in this situation that have achieved sub par results viewed through the lense of a 10+ wins context.

The whole RP dismissal was in spite of the consequences of severely diminishing LSU chances of repeating as SEC champs and National champs. Not because LSU has a better chance with Hatch or Lee vs. RP. We can only guess that RP would have played at a level that he did last year, but the decline and destruction of team discipline would have destroyed LSU’s chances to win it all somewhere down the line.

We can all speculate, but whether LSU kept RP or went with Hatch & Lee, our chances of winning it all again were bad and still less than 50/50 even if RP wasn’t a fuck up. Repeating a NC has only been done a handful of times and none in the last 10 years of the BCS. (I don’t count USC’s 2003 AP and 2004 BCS trophies as a repeat.)

That’s not to say that Lee or Hatch are not capable of winning some big games. The simple answer is yes. With a HUGE caveat!

I’m not aiming my remarks specifically at anyone personally, but more at the vast majority of fans on LSU chat sites, in my opinion, that have on their P&G glasses.

My caveat to the above remark is this. None of us truly know what kind of QB we will have until the Auburn game.

The first three games are against cream puff opponents in Tiger Stadium. Appy State is the best, but the talent level of the other LSU players and depth of talent will win that game in the fourth quarter.

At Auburn we play “in Auburn”! Never under estimate this FACT! See the last 4 games LSU played in Jordon Hare if you doubt me.

There is no more important single position on the football field than QB. And, no other position that can kill your teams chances of winning more than the QB. If you don’t agree, you don’t know football or haven’t watched enough games.

Defenses definitely win Championships, but QBs that make stupid decisions (turnovers) due to inexperience can undermine the best efforts of Championship Defenses by keeping them on the field too long or constantly putting them in poor field position (the red zone) with their backs against the end zone one too many times to pull out a win.

I’ll reserve my opinion of the season and QB until after that game because we will know if we have a “player” at the QB position when the final whistle blows in Auburn, AL.

by RightwingAnti-media on Jul 28, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Response

Guys-

I got e-mailed this link and was disappointed to read that some of you were implying that I was being racist. I’d like to reply.

Let’s start with the fact that I have heard from no less than four LSU coaches including the head coach and OC how water downed the SEC Championship gameplan actually was due to their comfort level with Perriloux at the time. This is first hand information from the coaches.

I feel like Lee and Hatch have a better grasp on the offense simply because they had been in the system for more CONSECUTIVE practices then Perriloux. Just like teaching a class, an offense builds each day upon the last practice. With Perriloux in and out of suspensions, it was difficult to get that continuity going with him. It’s hard to coach up a pass play with a receiver doing a post-corner if you haven’t mastered the play with just the post.

It’s not a secret that Perriloux is a great talent. Neither Lee or Hatch have the talent that Ryan has but I do take some comfort in knowing these guys have been in the system for a year and a half consecutively (minus injury days). You don’t have to be an NFL caliber quarterback to win in college football with the spread offense. (See Texas Tech) Do I have some concerns at QB – of course but I would have just as many if Perriloux was still here.

My e-mail address is gordy.rush@gbcradio.com. I welcome your comments and would appreciate that you ask me to clarify what I meant before implying I am racist. BTW, I actually do go to practice.

by glrush on Aug 16, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

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