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Charles Hanagriff Talks About Defensive Backs

I usually don't talk about articles found on premium websites here, but I think this one will be OK.  Radio personality and Tigerbait writer Charles Hanagriff has written something that has had me thinking for about 24 hours, ever since I read it.  If he's right, we have all missed something very important about how this defense will arrange its personnel and put together its defensive packages.

I think LSU's nickel, dime, and quarter (seven defensive backs) packages will really see a large rotation of players, designed for matchup advantages.

Harry Coleman, for example, might play in base and dime, but not nickel. Patrick Peterson might be a nickel or dime replacement for Danny McCray against certain groupings. Chad Jones may not be listed as a base starter, but might never come off the field.

The Tigers could put four corners or four safeties out in the dime and quarter groups, depending on what they're lining up against. McCray, who was put in some very difficult situations that were not all his fault last season, will be in more natural positions, like he was against Ohio State.

Part of a much longer article.

First of all, "quarter package"?  If this is real, and if it's more than a special package for when we're winning by 5 with 2 seconds to play and the ball on the far side of the 50 yard line, it's entirely new to me.  Perhaps this is the plan for dealing with spread offenses?  Have more defensive backs on the field.

It's an idea that is worth thinking about.  Who comes off the field?  I guess 2 linebackers and a defensive tackle, but I don't know that.  As offenses innovate and spread teams out, defenses have to innovate too to compensate.  Maybe this is what we've come up with to respond to faster, more spread-out teams.

Second, Harry Coleman may be listed as a starter, but if he comes out in nickel, he may not play all that much.  If the base defense has the 3 linebackers with Coleman and Taylor at safety, then I guess nickel has the two linebackers (Beckwith and Perry/Sheppard) along with Taylor, McCray, and Jones.  Or perhaps Taylor, Jones, and Peterson.  Could Taylor be rotated out too in some packages? Jones may never leave the field, so who's going to be out when he's in?  

But then why bring Coleman back in for dime?  

I really like the idea of putting McCray in more positions to succeed.  He was really asked to do things that he was not well-suited for last year.  I think his confidence ended up pretty shattered at one point as well.  By the end, he wasn't even blitzing effectively.  Let's hope this situation works out well for him.  We tend to forget that McCray is only a 3rd year junior.  He was still a young guy last year.

Four corners?  We never had more than 2 on the field last year.  Four safeties?  How many defensive backs are going to be part of this rotation?

If Hanagriff is right about all this, then this defense will be sophisticated, and we don't understand the half of it yet.

Far be it for me to give Hanagriff advice about writing, but talk about burying the lede.  This part of this one article alone is worth the price of admission to get on Tigerbait for this month.  This is the most important thing I've read in weeks, and it comes in the bottom 1/4 of a long article.  It's almost an afterthought.  

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From everything I've heard...

Hanagriff is correct. Last year we got burned in the slot pretty often running our base 4-3. I’ve heard we are running a lot of nickle, dime, and quarter packages in practice, with more CB’s in than safeties so that we can match up with faster slot guys. My buddies and I have been talking about this for a while and we’re pretty excited. Hopefully, we’ll match speed with speed and negate any positives the spread offense gives.

I do want to bring up one point though. When you run dime and quarter packages you only have one LB on the field. In our case that is Beckwith. Our schedule sets up really nice for the AU game in that we get 3 spread offenses to tune up against and then AU will be the 4th. That means, the first game of the year that we’ll be in our base 4-3 defense, with two new LB’s will be Miss St. in the 5th game of the year. Now by then I fully expect us to be clicking on offense, but it wouldn’t surprise me to give up a lot of yards to them on the ground, since we’ll be essentially breaking in two new LB starters in that game. Obviously, I don’t think we’ll lose, but I just wanted to throw that out. Even more intersting is that it is possible that we wont run our base 4-3 again until the UGA game. Which means we’ll be throwing new LBers out in only their 2nd full game starting against Moreno. Although, if we beat, AU, all of a sudden I’m not too concerned about the UF and UGA games.
Thoughts?

by LSU Jonno on Aug 22, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where did you hear all this?

I consider myself pretty well informed, and all of this is new to me. I thought I paid attention pretty closely.

I’m sure we’ll be in base defense at least some of the time even in games against “spread” offenses.

One thing to keep in mind. Auburn’s offense is designed to cut down the time between plays. You’re pretty much stuck with the personnel you have on the field, so you better not get caught with the wrong package out there.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Aug 22, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mainly just picking up stuff here and there.

Some of my info has come from message boards, but you can read all of the practice reports at tigerrag.com, for free. They’ve commented several times about how much subbing we’ll be doing in the DB area. The coaches drop one liner type hints in those interviews in the practice reports. Miles often says things like “Chad Jones may not start, but we’d be stupid to take him off the field” and things of that nature. To me that means, Chad Jones is going to be our primary nickle back, and we are going to run a lot of nickle. Also, there was an article I think just this week about all 4 of the top CB’s being crosstrained in the nickle and dime packages. That means P. Peterson and P Jones will probably be playing a lot, even if Jai and Chris hold on to their jobs as the top CBs. Bayou Bengal Blog has put up a lot of good info on this as well. If you haven’t checked out his site, I think it is better than cgisclar.

One thing that is clear, is that we are going to have a lot of options. Hopefully we can play man, when offenses go 4 wide, and if our D line can put pressure on the QB we’ll be fine. Similar to how OU put the beat down on Mizzou last year…Twice.

What is scary about AU, is that they could line up in 3 or 4 wide, baiting our dime package onto the field, and then switch Mario Fannin back to RB from the slot after the first play and go with a power running game against our “light” defense.

Oh, and for the record…Quarters Defense is the only way I can consistenly shut down AU and UF’s offense on NCAA ’09. Just throwing that out there.

by LSU Jonno on Aug 22, 2008 2:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a "Quarter Package"...

…isn’t anything particularly new, you just don’t see it that often other than in prevent defense situations.

by Todd on Aug 22, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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