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Alright, here's the speech where Saban goes off on depth charts:

"Ya know, I want our fans to know out there that we don't have a depth chart here, aiight!?" Saban said, just getting warmed up. "So anyone out here in the media who writes about a depth chart and really kinda disrespects some of our players based on their depth chart is really not being very professional. Without checking with us first."

"(It is) based on little or no legitimate information to make such a judgment," he said. "We don't really have a depth chart, I've tried to tell you guys that. We have guys that work in groups for administrative reasons."

"There are some guys on our team that have proved they can be starters and you know who they are," he continued. "There are a lot of other guys who have an opportunity to compete to be starters or to be backups and we're going to continue to evaluate those guys and put them in different positions so that they have a chance to do that. That does not mean they're first-team or got demoted from first-team."

"It would be very similar to me putting on the Internet," said Saban, who really doesn't know how to use the Internet, "that one of you got fired and replaced by somebody else when that's really not true. The whole world (would) think it's true. And you would come to me and say, 'How could you say that about me? How could you do that? You're so unprofessional of you. That's mean.' But that's what y'all do to our players, just to try to create something, so..."

"I'd appreciate if you think that something like that is happening... we'll be glad to tell you," he said. "We'll be glad to tell you... when we make that decision, we'll be glad to tell you."

Copied and pasted from here.  This little tantrum was apparently in response to this article, in which a young reporter who was allowed to watch a few segments of practice had this to say:

Sophomore defensive lineman Josh Chapman took reps with the first-team defense at nose tackle today in the first significant signal of a possible change on the University of Alabama’s defensive depth chart since the open of fall football practice.

Junior defensive lineman Lorenzo Washington, who had been running at first team, took snaps with the second-team defense at nose tackle.

So, Nick Saban was upset that a local journalist, allowed to watch a little practice like some other reporters were, actually reported what he saw, which was an apparent "possible change" in the defensive depth chart.  According to Saban, 

 

  1. There is no depth chart, 
  2. Reporting that there's a depth chart is unprofessional, 
  3. Saying someone possibly moved to backup nose tackle is disrespecting the player, and
  4. Who a player is running drills with does not mean much.

 

First, bullcrap.  There's a depth chart.

Second, what on earth do you expect the reporters that you allow to watch practice to actually report?  If a reporter can't report on what appears to be a modest change in the depth chart, why would you even invite the media to watch?

Third, is anyone going to remember in two days which nose tackle was practicing with the first team on Monday?  Why is this important enough to antagonize the media over?

My first thought was that this had nothing to do with the media, and that he was trying to send his team a message, but I'll be damned if I can figure out what that message is.  To me, the message he's sending is that it's OK to feel disrespected when a media member suggests you may, just may, have moved down the depth chart.

If there really is no depth chart, or if the reporter just so happened to be watching at a time when what he saw would mislead him, shouldn't the message be to sluff it off and show him the next day?  So, I don't believe Saban was sending a message to his team.  I think he was genuinely miffed, but with absolutely no reason to be so.

Reporters report.  They see.  They say.  It's early August and the media knows its readers are itching for anything about football, especially at the freakin' Tuscaloosa News, the paper with the most in depth coverage of Alabama football anywhere.  You let the reporters in for 10 minutes and expect them not to write about seeing what appeared to be a depth chart shift?  What were they supposed to write?

Nick Saban characterizes the article as analogous to him reporting that a journalist has been fired and replaced.  First, no.  Second, NO!  Third, allowing the media into practice and then chastizing them reporting what they see is like letting a food critic into your restaurant and criticizing them for writing about the dessert.  It's their job, and if you don't want them doing it, don't let them in.

I see no way in which the team benefits from this childish tirade.  Yes, Saban tweaks the media, but I get the sense that the media is starting to care less and less if they get tweaked.  Universally the (usually very pro-Bama, pro-Saban) talk radio guys said they thought this was some combination of ridiculous or pointless.  

There's a difference between being testy with the media to the point that they fear you a little bit and being arbitrarily angry with the media to the point where they think you might go off on them for anything and so they might as well just ignore it.  I think Saban crossed that line on Tuesday, and it's going to be hard to go back.  I get the sense that the media is saying, "Whatever," to his face and flipping him off when he turns his back.

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this reporter has a breaking news story!!!

nick saban is a dick. he was a dick at michigan state…he was a dick at lsu…he was a dick in miami…and he’s a dick in tuscaloosa.

i will now give you a chance to recover from this no doubt shocking information.

by gerry dorsey on Aug 7, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you are overblowing this....

Yes Saban comes off as a jerk in this story, but I think there is a good reason. The Alabama press and Saban clearly don’t see eye to eye on their role. I think there are a couple of factors to the ongoing conflict.

1.) Saban is an sharp edged guy to begin with. He comes off as aloof and with little patience. He simply wants to control his team and sees the press as having a role in that.

2.)The Alabama Press is excessively rabid about questioning and over analyzing every detail of the program. They sometimes seem to want to provoke him. And the press isn’t really unified at all. I think some are pro-saban, and some are cynics.

I think these two factors are constantly at odds with each other. B/c of that, I think Saban loses his cool every so often w/ the press and feels he needs to send the message. I believe that message to be something along the lines of ” I am in control, you are not. Your role is to be a cheerleader, not a critic.”

by Zandor435 on Aug 7, 2008 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that reporter did anything even remotely out of bounds. He saw someone drilling with what appeared to be the first team, and he wrote about it. It’s the sort of thing I see about LSU every day over at Scout or Rivals, and it’s exactly the sort of thing I would be reporting too if it was me.

It’s OK for Saban to lose his cool every so often, and to this point the press has been at least somewhat cowed by him, but I think this incident will make members of the press think, “There’s no point in trying to keep him happy, because nothing will, so I might as well just write what I like.”

I Saban thinks the media’s role is to be a cheerleader, in no way shape or form should the media agree. If that’s what he thinks, he should ban the media from practices and stop giving press conferences, because they will NEVER agree with that or act in that role. Nor should they.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Aug 7, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sophomore defensive lineman Josh Chapman took reps with the first-team defense at nose tackle today in the first significant signal of a possible change on the University of Alabama’s defensive depth chart since the open of fall football practice.

I imagine Saban’s problem with the reporter lies with with emboldened section of the above. Clearly, his impulsive need to be a prima donna blew this way out of proportion. But if he was originally annoyed that the reporting seemed awfully tendentious, then I totally agree with him.

I agree that Saban needs to realize he only let the reporters see 10 minutes of practice, but the reporter needs to remember that as well.

(btw, awesome job with the site. It’s refreshing to have a well-written and informative LSU site to check daily. At least one that isn’t full of flame wars and dancing emoticons.)

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by Man Mountain on Aug 8, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saving the dancing emoticons for later

You have to work up to that level of irreverence. Welcome to the site.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Aug 8, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On second thought....

I think Gerry’s analysis is more to the point than mine was.

by Zandor435 on Aug 7, 2008 8:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s going to be a long season if you get bent out of shape every time Saban says some jerky thing at a press conference.

I think you’re overreacting. The pretty clear point was: “a guy practicing with the first team doesn’t mean he’s on the first team.” Also, let’s be honest, the reporter wasn’t “reporting” he was editorializing about something he clearly had very little knowledge of. I can see wanting to make sure that the young reporter’s opinion isn’t given more weight than it’s due.

Besides… look at how much has been written about his comments. If his goal was to emphasize the point that, “Hey, we don’t really think about things in terms of depth charts around here”... it seems like it worked out pretty well.

Bottom line: Saban’s job requires him to interact with the media. He does not like the media. You might disagree with his method of dealing with them (although I wonder if you disagreed as much when he was wearing your team’s colors) but, at the end of the day, his job is to win football games, not make nice with reporters.

Might as well just stick with “Ha ha, Saban’s a jerk” rather than trying to concoct bizarre ulterior motives for a guy being testy because he has to talk to people he doesn’t like.

by PeteHoliday on Aug 7, 2008 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. We dont use them around here either. Its a new cutting edge coaching strategy. Dont use depth charts. They’re just so restrictive. Now we can start whomever we want, sub in a defensive tackles to punt for us… we’re even thinking about using offensive formations while we are on defense.

If anyone is overreacting its Saban …and then the responses here who justify idiocy with idiocy . The article just says Saban is making a pretty stupid request and then supports it with stupid reasoning. “Reporters, the season starts in a couple weeks but dont write or speculate on who our starting players are. We dont write about your jobs, and by the way, we have players playing together for “administrative reasons”.

Give me a break. Administrative reasons. What is that? Every other player who will most likely start stays in place and one guy gets substituted.. Just say there is competition for that position don’t say we dont use depth charts. Thats ridiculous. Then the “I dont put things on the internet about you”. YOU’RE NOT A REPORTER. Fans want to know whats going on with the team. It is his job and his teams job to play a game that is observed by other people. That is why they exist.

He’s acting like a dick because he is a dick. Accept it. ... No. Im afraid not. He’s acting like an overprotective and irrational mother.

He doesnt like the media and he’s an intense person… what a unique dynamic. An intense college football coach who doesnt like dealing with the media. That justifies stupidity because…?

This is a blog. Not the over of the New York Times. Just because something gets posted. It does not mean that its a “BREAKING STORY”. Does it ever say this is a serious problem or that this is a really big deal.. scroll down. A lot of relatively minor stuff gets reported. Relax. Your coach made a stupid comment. Give les miles a couple days. He will too. (But Im guessing les does have a depth chart)

by nepomo on Aug 7, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you’re overreacting. The pretty clear point was: "a guy practicing with the first team doesn’t mean he’s on the first team." Also, let’s be honest, the reporter wasn’t "reporting" he was editorializing about something he clearly had very little knowledge of. I can see wanting to make sure that the young reporter’s opinion isn’t given more weight than it’s due.

The problem is he brought more attention to the article by criticizing it than it ever would have gotten otherwise. Would anyone remember on Thursday which NT was running with the first team on MOnday if not for this? What gets me about Saban’s behavior is that the article was so terribly innocuous. If I’m a reporter, I couldn’t imagine what would be in-bounds if that was out-of-bounds. So why should I even try to stay in-bounds?

Might as well just stick with "Ha ha, Saban’s a jerk" rather than trying to concoct bizarre ulterior motives for a guy being testy because he has to talk to people he doesn’t like.

actually, others are concocting the ulterior motives. I’m trying to debunk them. Really, I think a coach often talks to his team through the media, so people aren’t going out on a limb to suggest he’s doing it here, but whatever message he’s trying to send to his team is not a good one.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Aug 7, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saban/Media

I am surprised you think this is a serious problem. I have seen him tear into the media much worse, than what he did yesterday. I think you make a salient point about it potentially being unnecessary, but I hardly think this is a breaking point.

Despite what some elitist media members might try and say, the media does not control public perception, especially in today’s era of the internet. The only thing Saban has to worry about is eventually getting the necessary results on the field. If he does that, everything takes care of itself.

As an LSU fan were you that concerned about public perception of Saban when he was winning SEC titles and a MNC title? I am guessing not.

If Saban can turn around Alabama, as he has done in the past at other schools that will be the only story. Does anyone really think that if Alabama is competing at a championship level, that people will be asking questions about his interaction with the media?

by Kenny483 on Aug 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't pay that much attention then

Which is part of the problem he has here. BR didn’t have nearly the media echo chamber Alabama has.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Aug 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, are there no other pictures of Saban on a podium, besides the god-like Saban picture? Does it not look like it should be a Daniel Moore painting? I see it hanging over someone’s mantle.

by Kenny483 on Aug 7, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While ultimately a coach is going to keep his job based on wins and losses, dealing with the media is certainly part of the job description. And, by almost anyone’s account, Saban sucks at this part of his job. Hardly a firing offense, but let’s not pretend he’s good with the media. He’s not.

Coaches are, as a group, a bunch of control freaks. They don’t like the media because they don’t have control over them. They need the media to hype their program, but they can’t control the message sometimes, and that’s’ infuriating, especially to a detail-guy like Saban.

Not a big deal. But he’s still a dick.

by Poseur on Aug 7, 2008 10:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Saban would’ve been more effective if he had sort of made fun of the reporter for drawing sweeping conclusions based on skimpy observations.

The reporter made a mistake – he assumed too much. Then he published a bad assumption.

I’m guessing Miles would’ve either a.) not even addressed it, or b.) dismissed it with a little smiling sarcasm.

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by TigerBait on Aug 7, 2008 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps our definition of “sweeping conclusion” differs. Here’s what the reporter filed:

“The first significant signal of a possible change”

There’s nothing sweeping or even conclusive about that statement. It’s actually fairly mealy-mouthed. The first sign there might be a change is not the strongest of statements. The reporter didn’t assume anything. I’m no great fan of the media, but this is hardly an example of a reporter assuming too much and running with it to some bizarre conclusion.

by Poseur on Aug 7, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sweeping conclusions

however the article doesn make numerous references to “first team” and “second team,” which is by default referring to some imaginary depth chart.

please see my first comment that i don’t support the rant…just commenting on the comment.

by gerry dorsey on Aug 7, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poseur. The players are grouped together by “administrative reasons” not talent levels. I think Andre Smith, Antoine Caldwell, and John Parker Wilson are all Scorpios. So, they got put in the same group (aka First Team)

by nepomo on Aug 7, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which was my point...

To conclude from administrative drills that Bama has changed it’s depth chart is a “sweeping conclusion” for a beat reporter who is paid not to make that kind of silly error.

But my real point was that Saban should’ve just made fun of the guy in a humorous way. His little rant is revealing, I think.

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by TigerBait on Aug 7, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's an administrative drill?

I think that administrative reasons explanation was bull. Maybe the change meant something and maybe it didn’t, but even if it meant nothing the proper reaction would have been to ignore it. “Let them write whatever they want. We know the truth.”

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Aug 7, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking a break

I think it would behoove Nick to stop making analogies for a while. He’s not very good at it.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 8, 2008 12:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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