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Im probably treading on dangerous ground here but i want to get the opinions of LSU fans that aren't, coonass's.

Please read the intire thread before you make an opinion or comment.

My questions is about Saban. I KNOW! I KNOW!! You hate him, you think he's the coonass, you want terrible things to befall him. I get it. My question isn't about Saban the man (we all know he's an ass) but about Saban the Coach. I would like to know exactly what you guys think of him soley on a X's and O's standpoint. I might be one of the few Bama fans that isn't completely sold on him being the 2nd coming of the Bear but I do feel he's a great recruiter and that he knows how to run a program. What he has done in bringing in talent over the last two years is simply amazing.

 

(if fellow bama fans read this. No im not trying stir the shit. Im just trying to get a different angle)

 

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as a bama fan born and raised in south louisiana

you may want to learn what a coonass is before throwing the term around. i realize you may not be TRYING to stir shit, but you may be doing it inadvertantly.

a) its impossible for saban to be a coonass
b) a certain percentage of lsu fans would proudly refer to themselves as coonasses, so your first sentence implying you have no use for their opinions is probably a bad start.

by gerry dorsey on Sep 9, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

WTF

I lived in Mobile for years (not that far from LA) and i never heard the term coonass used as a term of affection. shrugs his shoulders I didn’t mean to “offend” or put anyone off. I just thought it was an interesting topic….though since i posted it 6 hours and only you replied…im thinking people don’t come here as much as they do on RollBamaRoll….oh well

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by bammer on Sep 9, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

at the risk of being politically incorrect

the term coonass is similar to the “n bomb” in that in order to use it without offending anyone, you really need to be “in the community.”

and its not so much a term of affection as a badge of honor. you ever seen a redneck driving a truck with some sort of bumper sticker declaring themselves as a redneck?? same thing.

i’m just tryin’ to help a brother out. i’m glad we can come over to this lsu blog and talk a little bit. :)

by gerry dorsey on Sep 9, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree with Mr. Dorsey

Your use of the word coonass is not appropriate in the context in which you use it. Where I am from, coonass is not a bad term at all, and refers simply to people of a certain culture. At worst, it signifies a certain level of cultural insularity. I don’t think it’s per se wrong for someone who is not a of that community to use the term, but you clearly use it as a derogatory term. I think it’s sort of like calling someone a “hillbilly”. It’s not necessarily an insult, but it is if you use it in the sentence, “I want the opinions of Tennesseeans who aren’t hillbillies.”

To answer the question, Saban is not an offensive x’s and o’s guy at all. He definitely needs an offensive coordinator to do that job. He’s fully aware of this so it’s not like its a problem. As for defense, he’s a lot more competent, but he’s going to be hitched to his defensive coordinator. I wouldn’t want to have Saban calling the defensive coverages every play, but i think he’s probably fine at coming up with overall defensive gameplans.

Where he excels is more at giving programs a kick in the butt and getting them to modernize. It’s what he did at LSU, and it’s what he appears to be doing at Bama.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Sep 9, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Random but about the "coonass" comment...

You are completely right and hit the nail on the head. I was a little taken aback when Bammer used the word twice (no offense Bammer). You put it very well Gerry. It was corrective without being negative.

by AUFootballSeasonWidow on Sep 24, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had no idea there was so much to the word coonass. Its pretty interesting to learn. I’m from south louisiana and never heard the term used as anything but an insult.

Anyway, Saban doesnt strike me as an X’s and O’s guy, but that wont necessarily keep him from being very successful with bama. What Saban does is sell the dream ridiculously well to high school kids. More likely than not, over time, his team will be the more talented team on the field. The guy is just good at recruiting. There is a lot more parity nowadays, especially in the SEC, and Bama is competing against some recent national champions. So, it will be a lot harder for him to do this, but I’m not betting against that guy over an extended period of time.

In stead of x’s and o’s, Saban is obsessed with process and progress. He is very driven, very disciplined, and very focused in getting the team to the next level, the next goal in his masterplan. Not by implementing some ingenious defensive scheme or what not, but by emphasizing fundamentals and eliminating mistakes. He’s very smart and knows x’s and o’s on offense and defense, but thats not his passion. He’ll get some very solid coordinators and defer a lot to them on those fronts. What you end up with him is a super talented, fundamentally sound, motivated group of kids with a solid gameplan.

Obviously, most if not all coaches strive for this, but Saban’s execution of it is what sets him apart.

by nepomo on Sep 10, 2008 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

.....

wow….

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 10, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nick Saban

I will be the first to admit that he is an outstanding coach. Like all good coaches he knows how to surround himself with quality coaches. Even Bear Bryant said without good assistant coaches he wouldn’t have been as successful. As far as defense Coach Saban is at or near the top of coaching ability. But when it comes to offense he is less than stellar. Without JImbo Fisher LSU would not have been as good offensively as they were and probably would have never won the Natiomal Championship in 2003. Fisher was the one who got J. Russell to go to LSU, not Saban. If you doubt my comments about Sabans’ offensive ability, check out Alabama’s offense last year. Applewhite didn’t have a clue and Saban didn’t have much of one either. Saban is a great recruiter and motivator. He also knows what it takes to win. Having said all that, there is little if no difference in ability between Saban and Miles. Miles will,I believe, continue to win at LSU and Saban will make Alabama competitive again. Thank You and GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by olintiger on Sep 11, 2008 8:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Saban

I have to agree with most of the above, I think Saban is good with defensive X&O’s, and was smart enough to let his OC take care of the ball. He’s not touchy-feely, and some assistants get turned off by his demeanor. As long as he surrounds himself with coordinators who don’t mind his quirks, he will be tough at Bama (or wherever he is). As much as I wished he hadn’t gone to another SEC school (West at that), I can’t bring myself to hate him. After all, he brought us out of obscurity and you know the rest. He left the place in much better shape than he found it, and, realistically, you don’t see coaches hanging around the same school very long anymore.

I didn’t grow up in South Louisiana, but I had heard of the term coonass quite a while back. I never thought of it as a derogatory term, and never knew of any of those fine folks who were offended by it.

by artiger on Sep 12, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I wasn’t a fan of Saban when he got hired. I thought he was an overrated coach who hadn’t really accomplished all that much at Michigan St. Besides, he lost to Dinardo.

My opinion of him did change, national titles have a way of doing that, but I never did truly warm to him. I think he’s a guy who carefully has crafted a media image of himself as a coaching genius and he’s a bigger egotist than most coaches, which is saying something. I think he places the cult of Saban before the team. And considering he never sticks around at any location, I believe he’s not interested in managing a program. He wants to build it, and then get out. He’s like a high priced consultant.

This isn’t to say I think he’s a bad coach. He’s a great recruiter and he’s a terrific manager of the program. For a guy with such a massive ego, he reallly is comfortable with talented assistants and he gives them space to work (though he is demanding and expects results). He really is like a CEO, and that’s a real skill in today’s world. He’s not a great game day coach and his teams often play down to their opponents.

He’s a mixed bag. I don’t hate him, I just don’t buy his hype. He’s only had one great year, but what a year it was. He gets a lot of credit for rebuilding LSU, but I think it’s coming at the expense of Dinardo, who really did reopen the Louisiana pipeline, and Miles, who should be legally allowed to kill anyone who uses the phrase “Saban’s recruits.” To put it like this, Saban won with Dinardo’s recruits and Miles won MORE than Saban with Saban’s recruits. Saban is a tough coach and I think he’ll make Bama a legit threat in the SEC West. But I’m much happier with Miles.

by Poseur on Sep 13, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Im wondering

I know Saban will just as quickly jump ship as he will stay for a while but i wonder something. Why would he leave Bama? Im not saying that because “Alabama’s is the shit or anything” but because what else could he want or where else could he go? The NFL won’t take him back and he’s already coaching in the greatest conference in America. He’s got full power over the program and people already treat him as a god, which feeds that ego that you spoke of. Im not being nieve to think he will never leave but im honestly thinking where would he go?

Oh and i haven’t warmed up to him either….i like the approach of a Pete Carroll. I love to see Pete jumping up and high fiving his players when they make a big play. Saban is not a guy who i would want to play for.

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 15, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Good points

The only reason i can see Saban wanting to leave is b/c of the media pressure in T-town. For a number of reasons, I think the Alabama job is one of the most scrutinized coaching positions. I could see the pressure becoming too much.

Other than that, i think he will be there for a while.

by Zandor435 on Sep 15, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

Saban’s jumping around is easily condemned but its also somewhat understandable. He wanted to try the NFL. He did, failed, and returned to college football. Now, how he did it and misled people is an entirely different story. If you give him the benefit of the doubt, I think the verdict is still out on him being unable to commit to a program.

My personal opinion is that he will stick around for five to six years and move on if he hasn’t won at least one national championship. At the end of the day Saban is about Saban, and if he cant win NC’s he’s not going to stick around. The fans think he’s going to bring them NC’s ( “the next bear bryant”… no pressure there) and he has gotten one before. So, if he doesn’t produce in 5 to 6 years he’ll move on because the fans will be disappointed. He will be frustrated too, exhausted with the parity and difficulty of the sec, he’ll move on to greener pastures (ie easier conferences) like the pac 10 is now where there’s only one great team to compete with (assuming things stay the same..yeah right) and lots of recruits.

at least..thats what my crystal ball told me

by nepomo on Sep 15, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saban

I’m an LSU fan, and a "Bama fan when they play anyone else, especially Auburn and Tuberville. As you saw tonite, Nick Saban is good. He recruits good players, he hires good coaches who make those players better, and he demands a LOT of his players, his coaches and himself. A lot of LSU fans are p.o.‘ed with Nick over leaving. My take on it is that he was hired away from someone else to do a job for us. He did that job very well while he was here. A better offer came along and he took it. If someone came to my job and offered me a couple mil more than I’m making, I MIGHT send my boss a post card from my new home…..

So, why should LSU be mad at Saban? He left us in great shape, we have a great coach who has built on what he inherited. Both ’Bama and LSU have great players and tradition. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best, so may the best team win on Nov. 8…………

by cutworm on Sep 27, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

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