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Trent Richardson to LSU Has Always Made Sense To Me

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Rumors are swirling about Trent Richardson, the 5-star running back currently reported to be committed to Alabama.  LSU was on Richardson early in the process, but then he committed to Bama in June, taking everyone by surprise.  He continued to take visits, to listen to other coaches, and despite always saying, "I'm committed to Alabama," he never really seemed like he was committed to that commitment.  It has always been couched in terms like, "I'm committed right now," or, "I'm committed to Alabama, but I'll make my final decision later."

Richardson is a very good back.  He is both quick and very, very strong.  He's a power back, but also with a few moves in his arsenal.  Think Lebrandon Toefield, without the knee injuries.

Word came out on Monday that Trent Richardson may be ready to sever ties with Alabama and narrow things down to LSU and Florida.  Dandy Don reported a "feeling" that Richardson would come to LSU if Rueben Randle would as well.  A lot of people have a little fun at Don Long's expense, but I can tell you from my couple of years of approximately daily blogging that the occasional poor spelling and bad grammar happens to everyone who puts out a lot of words in a little time, and Don's been right at least as often as he's been wrong over the years.  He has good information, and he gives it out free to anyone who wants it.  He's alright in my book, but that's another story.

I have always thought that it just made sense that Trent Richardson would want to come to LSU.  I can think of several reasons why:

First, between LSU, Florida, and Bama, LSU  is actually the closest school to Trent Richardson's home in Pensacola.  Mapquest shows that the distance from Pensacola to Baton Rouge is about 3 hours, 57 minutes.  From Pensacola to Tuscaloosa is about 4 hours, 35 minutes.  From Pensacola to Gainesville is about 5 hours, 12 minutes.  Pensacola, Florida is about as far away from Baton Rouge as Bastrop is.  Being a little closer makes it just a little easier for family to get to the stadium to see you play, and while it's only a 40 minute difference, it's a slight advantage.

Second, keeping with the 'proximity to family' theme, Richardson has a brother on the football roster at UL-Lafayette.  He'll have a family member pretty close by, and how much do you want to bet that Trent Richardson's mother could find a nice job in the Baton Rouge area if she was looking to relocate closer to both of her sons?  Not that I'm suggesting anything.  I'm just sayin'.

Third, LSU's running back situation is a good one for a young running back to jump into, if you're willing to be just a little patient.  Yes, we have a senior All-conference player returning in Charles Scott, but after he leaves there is no one there who has locked up the job.  Richard Murphy will be a senior in 2010, but is coming off a very unproductive 2008.  Stevan Ridley looks promising, and everyone seems to love him, but he hasn't locked up anything yet.  Those are the only experienced underclassmen on the roster at running back, so you get one year to learn under an experienced leader like Scott, then the opportunity to win the starting job.  No one's going to hand it to you at LSU, but they won't at Bama or Florida either.  Bama has sophomore Mark Ingram returning, and he has already proven himself to be able to be productive in the SEC.  Plus, they seem to have recruited about 1000 running backs in the last few years.  LSU has signed one running back since the 2006 class.  Florida has 3 experienced running backs who will be either sophomores or juniors in 2009.

Fourth, LSU's returning offensive line looks really solid.  LSU has 3 starters returning, and solid depth.  Bama returns only 2 starters, and loses their two best offensive linemen in Antoine Caldwell and Andre Smith.  And whether it's representative or not, the play of the Alabama offensive line without Andre Smith was absolutely horrid.  Florida also has to replace 3 starters, but they looked pretty solid through injuries, so I would call that a push between Florida and LSU, with Bama in 3rd place on that factor.

Fifth, I really think Florida is a poor place for a skill player to go to if his goal is to prepare for the NFL.  They emphasize getting players into open space so much that I can't help but think that NFL scouts will shy away, as the NFL is a much more high-traffic league.  If you don't get to practice playing in traffic, how can you be evaluated?  LSU plays more of a pro-style game where a running back will get thekinds of carries he'll see in the NFL.  Bama plays the same way, and I'll give them a push on this factor, with Florida in 3rd place.

I don't know what Richardson will ultimately decide to do.  I'm sure he'll be productive wherever he goes.  It's just always made sense to me that he would choose LSU.  I'm not saying it will happen, and I'm not saying I have any inside knowledge on the situation.  I may even be playing a game of "wishful thinking".  We'll know in a week.

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Long live the Dandy.

I don’t know why people attack such a loyal Tiger fan. It’s sad to me. I check two places for updates in the morning. Here and Dandy Don. Everything else is fodder.

by Totally Spoil on Jan 28, 2009 7:16 AM CST reply actions  

Couple of reasons I can think of

1. He’s a self-admitted LSU homer and sees most recruiting situations through Purple and Gold glasses. That can lead you to take his information with very large grains of salt.
2. There’s a perception that some of his insider information comes via pay site subscriptions (tips from his readers or his own subscriptions). I have no way to know if it’s true or not, but that does get thrown around on some boards.

All that said, I like Dandy Don as well and I enjoy reading his updates, too. He’s certainly a lot more plugged in than I am.

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Dandy Don is awesome.

There’s just no other way to put it. I don’t care if he’s a homer, he puts out way better info than you’ll find on a message board.

I actually think Don has a pretty good relationship with the athletic department at LSU and is much more of an insider than people give him credit for. I think he knows a lot more of what is going on but only discloses information which he is told he can by the Ath Dept. There is probably a mutual trust there.

I’ll also say this. After the Arkansas game in 2007, Dandy Don was the ONLY person who predicted Les Miles to stay at LSU.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

As for the Trent Richardson stuff...

There isn’t a single player I’d rather get right now. I’d love to steal one of Saban’s prized recruits right from under him. If LSU doesn’t get him, I hope he goes to UF, because he’ll never be a threat to anyone in that offensive system.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions  

The Don and Trent

Yes, Dandy Don is a homer but that’s ok with me. So am I. I can’t help it.

As for Richardson, yes, if we don’t get him Florida is by far the best place for him.
I think you are correct in saying he’ll be less of a threat to run up big numbers
for the Gators.

by Totally Spoil on Jan 28, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

Nothing wrong with being a homer

I just don’t put a huge amount of faith in his predictions. See his website today for a good example. He reported Trent Richardson decommitting from Bama based on a call from an LSU fan to a radio show yesterday, today he’s retracting it.

As for Richardson, I would love to see him at LSU, but I expect to seem him at Bama next year.

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

this title is down right hilarious

i think i’ll go write about how rueben randle to bama has “always made sense to me.” funny how that works huh??

as for bama recruiting about “1000 running backs in the last few years,” saban has brought in 5 rb’s in 2 years. they are mark ingram and a bunch of 3 stars. so i doubt he’s sitting at home thinking there’s no way he can get on the field in tuscaloosa.

i could go on, but the bottom line is despite your homerism, and your mapquest skills (38 more minutes to tuscaloosa?? what will he do??), i see lsu as a distant 3rd in this race behind bama and florida.

however les is putting together the greatest recruiting class in the history of history (just ask him), so who knows what he’s gonna pull out on nsd right??

by gerry dorsey on Jan 28, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

sweet

a bama fan. i can finally get an answer to a question that has been bothering me:

what’s with the pom-pom obsession? i’ve been to one game at bryant denny (an LSU win in 07, the veiw from the suite was nice) and also went to the sugar bowl and watched alabama “play” in that game. and both times, i have never seen such a large collection of pom-poms being waved and shaken by a crowd. what’s the deal?

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

beats the hell outta me

they generally either hand them out as you’re heading into the game or they are waiting for you on your seat. its not like they have a pom pom store in tuscaloosa or anything. you’ll never see me with one, but then i’m not the guy decked head to toe in crimson and white either. either way bama is not the only team that does it, particularly in sec. auburn is especially guilty of it. so maybe its state of alabama thing and not so much a university of alabama thing.

by gerry dorsey on Jan 28, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

commenting on my own comment

bro, i clicked on your profile after i left the comment. how can you say you went to tennessee and claim to be ignorant in the ways of the pom pom. they love their pom poms as much as anyone. ask one of your fellow vols.

by gerry dorsey on Jan 28, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

when i was undergrad at UT

i dont recall many pompoms, but i do recall rocky top being played waaaaaaaaay too much even then. (i think they do it after every play for more than 3 yards now). the one thing i always remember, was that no matter where i sat in that stadium, i was always within earshot and in sight of a drunk, shirtless guy screaming “cmon peyton! throw the ball peyton!”

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

here you on the rocky top

Though they didn’t get a chance to play it very often this year….that song still annoys the crap out of me..

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

there is always next year.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

They have to play it when they gain 3 yards now...

….its the only significant achievement their offense is capable of anymore.

by Todd on Jan 28, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Engelbert Humperdinck here is full of crap...
they generally either hand them out as you’re heading into the game or they are waiting for you on your seat. its not like they have a pom pom store in tuscaloosa or anything.

I’ve been to two games in Auburn and two games in T-town, and I have always made fun of the pom-poms. Sure it’s cute when girls do it, but there are waaay too many dudes with pom poms in the state of Alabama. You don’t see dudes with facial tatoos with a cute little tiger or script A so why should they be waving pop-poms?

As for “not having pom pom stores” that is crap. Walk around T-town and Auburn on gameday and tell me how many dudes you see walking around with pom-poms hanging out of their back pocket. THEY BRING THEM TO THE GAME! Skoal in one, pom-pom in the other, damn that’s smooth. Last time I was in Auburn I asked someone why they carried around pom-poms, he said, “the shakers look cool on TV”. I said, “but your playing Arkansas and the game is on PPV, so why the pom pom?”

Is looking neat on TV worth looking like a homo in person?

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

only if you are secure in your man hood

If you care what people think about you i guess using a pompom might bother some people. I don’t really care so redicule away but I take my personal bama colored pompoms to every game i attend. At home or away…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

thats awesome

 is it associated with some tradition? like how the tigers wear white at home. or that rammer-jammer-wharble-garble y’all yell at the end (that song is equal parts obnoxious and cool). i mean, there are so many pompoms at bama it seems as though a decision was made at some point to make the crimson tide and pompom usage synonymous.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

thats a good question..

Ill go ask someone he gives a crap :)

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

get back to me on that one. it took me forever to find a bama fan who could tell me why the mascot is an elephant.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

So why are you guys the

Bengal Tigers…and dont give me a wiki link….last time i was in LA, i don’t recall seeing any tigers roaming about…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

You must have never been near the Stadium

Louisiana tigers give toddlers high-fives and can tread water long enough to get their junior life-saving certificate.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

now you see

that is the same wise-ass (no offense) answer i got from every bama supporter at the sugar bowl. but its not like u guys are the alabama elephants, you guys are the alabama crimson tide. well regardless i got my answer and it was alot less fulfilling than i thought it would be.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

YOu didn't ask me a question..

So the “wise ass” answer doesn’t apply here. We are the elephants because back in the day our offensive line was known as the “red elephants” and it just evolved over time.

Aren’t most mascots derived from tradition?

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

indeed

they are derived from tradition. but you arent the elephants. you are the crimson tide. it wasnt a question of “why the crimson tide?” it was “why an elephant?”

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well let me educate you

We are known as the "Crimson Tide’’ you are correct sir but our mascot is an Elephant. Crimson Tide also comes from back in the day when our players were compared to a Crimson Tide (as in the color of their jersey’s) So like Roll Tide and Crimson Tide are more like cheers, our mascot is an Elephant.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Now we just need someone

to explain the whole Eagle/Tiger/Plainsmen thing Auburn has going on. Every time one of them tries to explain it it gives me a headache. I think they had an election and could add all the votes, so they just declared all three of them winners.

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally

I like it when teams have a complicated mascot situation; it indicates a long and odd tradition that hasn’t been streamlined by a PR agency.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Tigers

Named for some Louisiana Civil War brigades who were nicknamed Tigers.

We’re the Fighting Tigers, not Bengal Tigers. I imagine the Bengal part came from the face that the mascots have traditionally been Bengal tigers (although the current Mike is part Siberian). Plus Bayou Bengals has a nice alliteration.

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the reference to the Civil War...

You see Florida…thats how REAL southern states roll!!

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the reference to the Civil War…
You see Florida…thats how REAL southern states roll!!

awesome. cosign.

by nepomo on Jan 29, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah l lived in Florida WAY to long

(6 years) and got so tired of florida people acting like they were southerners. They had no idea of what it meant to be a “good ole boy”. They thought talking like a redneck and listening to country music made them them southern….idiots…there are more cubans in Florida than southerners..

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

well
there are more cubans in Florida than southerners

There’s your southern gentility right there, folks

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Well sorry if that sounded "crude"

But its a fact…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

what does one thing have to with another?

According to the 2000 US Census, there are more Hispanics living in Alabama than in Kentucky.

Does that make Kentucky more Southern than Alabama?

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly don't be sensitive..

I was just digging at florida a little….man its just fun to dig at Florida…join in the game!

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not being sensitive

just digging at the “southern gentleman” garbage a little. It’s fun.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN guys started call LSU “The Bayou Bengals” a couple years ago. I dont know if thats the origin, but it was the first time I saw it. Probably to distinguish us from all the other tigers.

by nepomo on Jan 29, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

coppied from wiki then...
LSU’s mascot refers to its Confederate heritage, drawing from the fame of two Louisiana brigades whose fierce fighting earned them the nickname “the Louisiana Tigers.”

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

so its impossible

that they are bringing them to the game after being handed one at the previous game??

by gerry dorsey on Jan 28, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right

Let’s shoot the stars. That’s it, you shot all the stars.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

exellent point

bama lost to #1 and #2 this year. i’m ashamed. how was that peach bowl??

by gerry dorsey on Jan 28, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

exellent (sic)

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

good job

revealing my true identity by the way

by gerry dorsey on Jan 28, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Say what you want, but this looks awesome.

Besides, it no less homo than LSU fans dancing like ferries with the marching band in the stands, or wearing mardi gras beads.

by LaTigra on Jan 30, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's a stupid question to an LSU fan

whats up with you guys wearing white at home? I mean i know its purple, but the home jerseys look kinda cool…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

alright

I remember during the USC/ UCLA game, USC was forced to forfeit a time out in the first half to be able to wear their home colors. Does LSU have to abide by this same rule or because they get permission that rule is set aside?

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's because both teams wanted to wear home colors

UCLA got dibs because they were the home team, so USC was penalized for wearing its (their?) colors. I think because LSU wears the whites at home that rule doesn’t apply.

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

usc was the road team in that game, and i believe jersey selection is the choice of the home team.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

White jerseys at home

What I’ve heard is that Paul Dietzel decided to adopt white jerseys at home in the 1958 season. We went undefeated and won the national championship that year, so white jerseys became a tradition.

Other theories I’ve heard: Easier to see them in night games, cooler in the heat, get to wear the same uniform for home and away games (since everyone else wears dark at home.)

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Richard

I like ATVS and generally your guys’ blogging, but I cannot agree with any of this article except the part about Florida being a bad fit for a skill player.

One of your three major arguments are that Tuscaloosa is 38 minutes farther (per mapquest) to Pensacola than Baton Rouge…

What Would Don Draper Do?

by BamaReturns07 on Jan 28, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

I think...

Richard was just pointing out that LSU is actually the closer school, which MAY have been contrary to popular belief.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t know that.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

"Florida being a bad fit for a skill player"

Huh??!!?!

I am also proud to say that we use pom poms less than any school in the conference.

We also don’t wear ties to the games.

by skigator93 on Jan 28, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

thats because

Florida is not a true southern state…the idea of a “southern gentleman” and “bell of the ball” is lost on florida people…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

And pom-poms clash with the jorts

Sorry, but that was a hanging curve over the plate. If I hadn’t said it, someone else would have.

(Bracing for corndog comments)

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know...

If the jort matches the pompom it could work.. ;)

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

amn

I don’t even know what a jort is….

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you know

Just Tebow. At least we got there ;)

What Would Don Draper Do?

by BamaReturns07 on Jan 29, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

And pom-poms clash with the jorts

BURN!!!

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

For the record...

I’d rather be caught holding a pom pom than caught wearing jorts…

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

no doubt

I love how Tebow is trying to look hard in jorts and birkenstocks.

by nepomo on Jan 29, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Tebow doesn't wear jorts and birkenstocks

He DOES however wear ridiculous looking Gator crocs, which I find to be his biggest fault.

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

i would classify QB as a skill position. and florida QBs tend to have great success at florida and not much beyond that. does that make them less talented? no. but if you are looking for a future in the NFL as a QB (as mr richardson appears to be, only at RB instead of QB), i would say that gainesville is not the place to be.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You can basically say that about the entire SEC

There are very few SEC QBs who make it in the NFL – other than the Mannings, I can barely think of any. So the argument is silly because all skilled players should want to play in the best conference in America.

by skigator93 on Jan 28, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Read the entire sentence
Fifth, I really think Florida is a poor place for a skill player to go to if his goal is to prepare for the NFL

It’s a great school for a skill possession player to go to have success at the collegiate level, but Richard’s point was it might be a less than ideal place for a skill position player to go in order to have success at the next level.

I have no idea whether that’s true, or even how one might prove that demonstrably, but it is a quite different statement to the one you truncated.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

*position

not “possession”

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

i thought i was backing that assertion up? if t richardson’s ultimate goal is the NFL, then i stand by my statement taht florida would be a poor choice. maybe my jumbled comparison to failed pro qbs from florida muddied it a bit, but its not next year, and percy harvin hasnt failed as a pro yet, so i cant use that as an example.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Take skill position out

and enter in “RB”. Percy Harvin WILL NOT be a RB in the NFL. He’ll be some sort of WR/ Return guy thingy.

The fact is im not sure if Urban’s system is good for pure RB’s.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

regardless

of the position, in a few years he’ll be re-united with Chris Leak in the CFL.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Concur

Richardson doesn’t have Rainey/Demps/Harvin speed, and thats what it takes to succeed in UF’s offense.

Signed,
Emanuel Moody

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I was replying to skigator's post

but, to be honest, you haven’t really backed any assertion up. Your assertion, such as it is, seems to be based on a mish-mash of anecdotal evidence and vague definitions rather than tangible evidence.

To prove that this was true, we would have to establish reasonable definitions of “success” and “failure” in the NFL. Is Rex Grossman, for instance, a success or a failure? Certainly, we could make argue either way, depending on what our definition of success is.

We’d also have to limit analysis of Florida skill position players over a certain period of time. Does it make sense to compare Florida skill position players of today to those of the late 60s? Is it just the players who have worn the gator uniform? Is it just since Spurrier? Has the Urban Meyer era been long enough that we can judge one way or another?

Furthermore, can we even isolate a Florida player’s performance pre and post NFL draft apart from the context of injuries or team system or NFL coaching? Are Florida players’ NFL successes more or less in line with the rest of the SEC, or is there a significant gap?

Like I said, it may be true or it may not be. It’s fine for people to have opinions or “gut feelings” one way or another. My vague notion on the topic pretty much lines up with Richard’s, but I’m biased in favor of LSU and there’s probably no way that vague notion can be proved true or false.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok so you think

Harvin’s size is going to work in the NFL?? You can say it’s my opinion but the FACT is we WON"T be a RB in the NFL. He can’t run inside, he’s just too small.

My point about UF not being the right fit for a pure RB is very valid. Like LSU Junno said above. Moody has yet to shine in the spread offense cause thats not what he’s built to do. He’s a north and south runner, not get to the outside and use your speed back. If you notice, Tebow does most if not all of UF’s inside running.

Look, im not talking here about UF’s ability to put players in the NFL. Im just saying for pure RB’s, UF might not be the best fit.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Read my post again

actually, before doing that, push the little “up” widget at the bottom of my post so that you can see to whom I was responding…

then read my post again and point out to me where I said anything about Percy Harvin’s success or failure in the NFL.

I don’t think he has the durability to be a first down RB in the NFL*, but that had nothing to do with my post.

*(but, honestly, who the fuck knows? Was that Darren Sprowles running all over Indianapolis in the playoffs?)

I can’t argue with you this point though:

You can say it’s my opinion but the FACT is we WON"T be a RB in the NFL

You’re right. What chance would we have running the A gap in the NFL if we can’t even see eye to eye on a LSU blog. I’m going to go put on “What’s Going On” and brood a little.

There's action across the street. It's Snowman! Take him!

by Man Mountain on Jan 28, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

hey man

if i didnt have a mish-mash of antecdotal evidence, i wouldnt have any argument at all. no sports fan would. its not a scientific process. florida beat the piss out of lsu, and tennessee, this past year, all i have to cling to is that they produce system qbs who suck in the pros, and hopefully that a running back recruit wont go there. quit pissing in my cornflakes, man.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright

That’s cool – just making sure you didn’t have some laundry list of analytical points and statistics that I was missing. I make those types of arguments all the time!

Plus, look how many of our skills players enjoy post NFL careers on “The Bachelor” and “Dancing with the Stars!”

Who needs the NFL anyway?

by skigator93 on Jan 28, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

how could i forget about jesse palmer! dammit! he is like the crown jewel of failed gator qbs.

by in the 9th on Jan 29, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

failed?!

He had 24 hot chicks throwing themselves at him and fighting over him on major network TV. I’d say most guys would like that fate….

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

He "enjoys the opportunity"

Never enjoys the actual event. Just the “opportunity”.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 29, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

But it makes just as much sense

which is basically none. I consider skill position players to be QBs, RBs and WRs. If we agree on that , I will venture to say that UF has as many if not more skill players on NFL rosters than any school in the conference.

by skigator93 on Jan 28, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

Thats why i was talking purely about RB’s…Take away Tebows inside running game, and most of the UF’s other RB"s run sweep plays to the outside…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

To the contrary

UF rarely ever runs a sweep. The only outside runs we ever do are on the option play. I know this because it drives me nuts when we keep running our 165 LB microbacks up the gut…although they do eventually break them for TDs.

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Im sure you meant RB not LB...

What i saw from UF (with our Harvin) was a lot of Tebow up the middle, and a option/ sweep (call it what ever you want) to the outside with your smaller faster backs. Now im sure the RB’s run up the middle a few times but the majority of up the middle runs comes from Tebow.

If i was a highly touted RB out of high school, UF would be on my list but not my first choice. Not because they aren’t a good football team (see 2 NC’s in 3 years) but because of they way they use RB’s. I would want to show my skills in a pro style offense.

Let me ask you a serious question. Why has Moody not been effective at UF yet?

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

oops & answer

Obviously I did mean RB! I consider a sweep a toss to a RB running around the end, with a blocking scheme in place for it. The option play is entirely different, as we run a triple option – QB can either hand it to the dive man up the middle, and then either keep it or pitch it depending on how the DE commits. If you check out the lame highlight video below (obviously made by some 13 year old), you’ll see that a large majority of their long runs were right up the middle/off tackle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkepJ94Azo&annotation_id=annotation_509284&feature=iv

The answer to your Moody question is because he has not been healthy. He was injured early on (I believe in practice before the season started) and was hobbled most of the season after re-tweaking his ankle several times. He didn’t do anything in the BCSCG, but if you saw him play late in any of our late season games – you saw flashes of greatness (including in the SECCG where he very nearly busted a TD right up the middle when we were just trying to run out the clock).

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Right

the only differnece between a sweep and option is the fact that QB has the “option” to lateral the ball. There are some blocking differences but for the most part, the play im posting below is just a “sweeping” option to the far side that will strectch the defense to create gaps or lanes for the RB/ QB to run through.

Lets not get caught up in language though. The play either way is effective. My point is that the RB isn’t really being used in a “pro style” type of a way. Now im sure UF will put many RB’s in the league and Im sure they will be very effective but not in the way they were used at UF.

The play im talking about starts around the 2:38 mark…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7p4PwYMAU

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

another difference

Sweeps are run in the NFL all the time, while options are never run.

Florida simply does not run a pro-style offense – that is a fact, but I think most college aged kids would rather just go somewhere they can contend for a championship rather than play for a team that they think most mirrors the offenses run in the NFL. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a 17 year old high school senior say he chose a team because their scheme more closely resembles what he believes he’ll be running in the NFL.

I think Harvin will be fine in the NFL – at least for the half of the season that he is not hurt. I will be curious to see if Moody gets more reps this season, as he is the truest standard size running back that Meyer has had at his disposal.

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually saw the Falcons run

the option a few times this year but you are right…the option makes up about .000000001% of the plays ran during an NFL season.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The Falcons ran the option?

With Ryan? I don’t remember that (Falcons season ticket holder). You sure it just wasn’t a pitch after a couple steps where there was no real option for Ryan to keep it?

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Few times as in twice or maybe three

I don’t have season tickets but i live in atlanta and have watched almost every game…

I call it an option but it was more of a optoin look with Ryan taking the ball each time and the only goal was to pick up a few yards. Weak as it may be…it was an option play.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 30, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

I think this is the longest non-gameday thread I’ve seen at ATVS. Good job, Richard!

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

42 comments?

Were you being sarcastic?

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 28, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I really wasn't.

But we’re good enough, we’re smart enough, and doggone it, people like us.

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

what the hell happened around here??

i go do some work and atvs erupts with its most insane thread ever. i’m not even going to bother reading all of this, i don’t have the time…but i get the idea.

look, poms poms are gay for dudes, no two ways about it. if i have to defend every member of my fanbase i’ll be here until fall…as would an lsu fan.

as for ut undergrad guy not remembering any pom poms at ut…



etc, etc…

ps—richardson ain’t goin’ to lsu. just sayin’.

by gerry dorsey on Jan 28, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

I think pom poms are an SEC thing actually.

Minus UF, they have gay jorts, and minus LSU, we’ve already got our hands full with coke in one hand and jack in the other.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

ahh

i cant argue with those pictures…what has happened to neyland stadium?!?!? and to think i was going to plan a trip up there for a game this year. yikes!

all i know is they werent there like that in the late nineties. i am going to go off and hang my head in shame…

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't be funny...

If it somehow came out that “in the 9th” was that horned wookie looking character in the first picture?

by LSU Jonno on Jan 28, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

diss!

that is just cold man. cold. i’ll wear a team shirt, even a hat. but i cant go full-retard to a game. those guys, man. shit. i cant even defend those guys. shit.

well played, gerry dorsey, well played.

by in the 9th on Jan 28, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Oracne horned wookie dude

Richard needs to save that picture for every LSU-Tennessee preview forever.

Think that’s Orgeron under those horns?

by The Bengal on Jan 28, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That's just not right

…in any culture. Good Lord! What’s with the black horns?
Also, I could be wrong, but I don’t think Harvin will play at RB in the pros. I suspect he’ll a Devin Hester Clone.

Hot Boudin, Cold Cous Cous, Comon Tigers Poosh Poosh Poosh!

by Barrylsu5 on Jan 28, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

i would also like to point out,

that the first and third picture are definitely inside of thompson-boling arena. and they are obviously lady vols fans.

by in the 9th on Jan 29, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

i'd rather shake a pom pom

than go to a women’s basketball game.

by gerry dorsey on Jan 29, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

GOD!!

Forget the pompoms for a second….whats terrible about those pictures is the hideous orange….my god that makes me want to puke..

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You people are great

And yes, this is the biggest non-game thread in ATVS history since I took over. What can I say? This is not a huge blog by SBNation standards. We’re growing organically.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Jan 28, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

It's a very solid blog

Our blogger disappears for several days at a time and then claims he was doing political crap….like that stuff matters more than college sports!

Jorts are more comfortable than ties….or so I am told. I don’t wear either…unless I’m at a wedding or funeral. Then I bust out the really fancy jorts.

Seriously, I think the reason students don’t dress up for games in Gainesville is because it is too damn hot. How in the hell can your students wear ties in the Bayou? I guess that’s why there are so many night games.

by skigator93 on Jan 28, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I come here

All the time and read your posts, but rarely comment. When it comes to the writing…i likey

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa

There is a difference in a vendor SELLING pom poms and a fan base BUYING them.

Besides, we’ve already established it is ok for women and toddlers to use them. Just not dudes.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 29, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

You know whats really gay...

The tomahawk chomp….only steers and queers do the chomp…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

What is the Tomahawk chomp?

Is that a combo UF/FSU cheer that you do with your crimson and white pom poms since you don’t really have a mascot, just a color and some unrelated elephant?

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

i thought that would get a rise...

And don’t be stupid skigator….the “we don’t have a mascot” argument is pretty lame..

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

What does the bulldog have to do with UGA, MSU or any other team that uses it? or

The Trojan to USC? or

The Bruin to UCLA? or

The Ram to CSU or

The duck thingy that Miami uses on the sidelines? or

Brutus to Ohio State…

see where I am going with this….

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree with you

mascots and nicknames dont have to be associated witht the locale of the school. i was more interested in the connection between crimson tide and elephants. when i first thought about it, i was curious if it was a started as political reference to conservative alabama or if there was any lore behind it. thats all.

by in the 9th on Jan 29, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

more on mascots

Is Oregon so over-run with beavers that it was deemed necessary to endorse the State College as such?

Do badgers commonly patronize the the great state of Wiconson? (Wisconson brings to mind cheese, not badgers)

Southern Illinois has a Saluki…Not sure of the relevence

Tulane’s Green Wave
OSU’s buckeye (a nut? really?)
Michigan State Spartans

Perhaps (and like so) there are in-state traditions/ stories that may make sense of these things (Are there more rainbows in Hawaii than in other places?), but some schools took the generic mascots like bulldogs or Trojans.

Hot Boudin, Cold Cous Cous, Comon Tigers Poosh Poosh Poosh!

by Barrylsu5 on Jan 29, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Some make sense....

A Saluki is a really old breed of dog (said to be faster than a greyhound)
The Saluki is the mascot for the Southern Illinois University sports teams because the southern portion of Illinois was once known as “Egypt.” (from Wiki)

The badger is the state animal of wisconsin.

Here’s Oregon State’s reasoning:
The adoption of a beaver as the university’s mascot is linked to Oregon’s history as a territorial leader in America’s early fur trade. The Oregon Territory was well known for its large populations of beaver and the region became a stronghold, in the early 1800s, for the Hudson’s Bay Company’s beaver trapping operations. Once Oregon acquired statehood in 1859, the beaver continued as the state’s symbol and was later adopted as Oregon’s official mammal in 1969.

I suppose some just picked a tough looking animal like a bulldog or a tiger.

But I don’t get teams named for a color. Harvard Crimson…Crimson Tide….Green Wave?

weak: Green Wave, the nickname of the sports teams of Tulane University, was adopted during the 1920 season, after a song titled The Rolling Green Wave was published in Tulane’s student newspaper in 1920. Prior to that, the teams were known officially as “The Olive and Blue” and unofficially referred to as “The Greenies” or “The Greenbacks.”

This is even worse (make sure your volume is turned up to get the full effect!):
http://www.redelephants.com/redstory.html

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

So you don't like it when Universities use

their imagination when picking a “mascot”. You just like bland ole “the animal lives in our state so lets be one of those” teams like….um…the gators….

How clever is that. Hey! Why not be the Deer! They live all over the freakin place! Thats creative. Perhaps the next Florida University to pop up somewhere could be called the Palmetto Bugs…or better yet the ROACHES!!!! Give me a break….

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 29, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

"Gators" is very original

I only know of 2 schools that use the mascot…plus Florida is one of only a couple states that have Gators.

No offense, but I just think your nickname is weak.

by skigator93 on Jan 29, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

who gives a sh*t??

my team’s mascot could be the damn butterflies if they go 12-0 every year. to my knowledge no team has ever one a game b/c their mascot was so much cooler than their opponent’s. mascots are for kids and for girls who shake pom poms.

by gerry dorsey on Jan 30, 2009 5:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Very late to the game I know....

but this is great. I enjoy the stream of consciousness and randomness of this post.

by Zandor435 on Jan 28, 2009 11:02 PM CST reply actions  

Wow...

Zandor, never knew someone could get so “giddy” over the comments in a comment thread. I might be able to arrage a date for you with the post if you want.

Also,

I enjoy

Straight out of the Les Miles public speaking book. Have you ever noticed that he “enjoys” everything. Nothing with his speaking bothers me other than his overuse of this word.

by Bob Barker on Jan 29, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

this kind of randomness is good every so often...

But to have it everyday as the bama site does is a bit much. I can’t keep up w/ all of the inside jokes on that site.

by Zandor435 on Jan 29, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Proud!

Can I start a thread or what??? :-)

by Totally Spoil on Jan 29, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

Props for being the first poster.

But I think Englebert really set the stage for the outburst on this one.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 29, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

First post shoot down!

I know, I know but come on the thread was hijacked! :-)

by Totally Spoil on Jan 29, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

Yes I do....

but rarely have much to say as there are far to many smart a$$ comments over there. I just don’t have time for that.

by Totally Spoil on Feb 2, 2009 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

?

Ok now I know that the LSU hatred toward Bama is somewhat forced but at the same time I know an LSU fan and he also was a grad. from LSU as well and me and him have become good friends over the past yr 1/2…so here’s my ? if he can say "In my mind Alabama and it’s fans done nothing wrong so I don’t hate them I just hate dislike not hate Saban for what he did, He’s the 1 that left and came back to a team that has been a big rival of ours 4 yrs and yrs…..Now I’ve met other LSU fans that agree so y r some LSU holdin’ a grudge w/ the fans? It’s good to have that tough rivalry feel to the game but pure hate should only come when you have a big in-state team like we do in Auburn, And there was actually a few fans at the game this past yr that gave congrats to Saban for what he’s done in such a short time in T-Town and I could see if they were in T-Town for the game but we’re in the 3rd qtr in Baton Rouge, I have nothing against LSU fans on a personal level so a LSU fan can please help me out on this matter.

by bama_man on Feb 7, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions  

Oh Yeah

Now that the whole “Richardson recruiting saga” is over and he’s going to bama what’s the thoughts of what he can become w/ Ingram ahead of him right now???And how good is that Bell kid that de-commited from LSU and went to bama I never looked at him that much since he was commited for so long and to comment again on the Richardson thing I have to say that he scared the shit outta me, Knowing that his mom was leaning more towards LSU for because the family thing w/ his brother being at 1 of those schools down there didn’t help the feeling out, But I beleive he can tk the top spot from Ingram his 1st yr if he learns the offense fast enough and could set all the bama rushing records.

by bama_man on Feb 7, 2009 10:18 PM CST reply actions  

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