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The Coaching Staff Is Finally (Apparently) All Set

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After weeks of having very little information that did not turn out to be complete garbage, it appears the 2009 LSU coaching staff is finally settled.  LSU finally named John Chavis as the defensive coordinator, a move that had been apparently done for a while.  While Chavis had been set about a week ago, we had no idea who the other three coaches on the defensive side of the ball would be.

But, we weren't done.  According to The State, a Columbia, South Carolina newspaper, LSU has hired former South Carolina defensive backs coach Ron Cooper to be the new defensive backs coach for the Tigers.  And also, according to the Chicago Sun-Times, former Chicago Bears defensive line coach Brick Haley has been hired to be LSU's defensive line coach.  We'll have more on these hires tomorrow.  If LSU retains special teams coach Joe Robinson (again, more on this later), the coaching staff is set.

Now for a long diversion.  If you don't want to hear a lecture on how coaching staffs are put together or a rant on the fact that there are so few dedicated QB coaches in college, skip ahead past the italicized text.

Note:  A college team may have a total of 10 coaches.  It may have any number of 'grad assistants', and the distinction is not always clear, except that coaches make more than grad assistants.  The head coach is 1, the offensive side of the ball typically has 5 coaches (wide receiver, running backs, offensive line, offensive coordinator, and tight ends coach).  The offensive coordinator usually coaches the quarterbacks as well.  The defensive side of the ball usually has 4 coaches (defensive coordinator, defensive line, linebackers, and defensive backs).  In our case, it appears that the defensive coordinator will coach the linebackers and we will have a "special teams" coordinator again next year.

Note 2:  No offense to tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator Josh Henson, who appears to be doing a very good job, but I would MUCH rather see LSU have a dedicated quarterbacks coach than a dedicated tight ends coach.  Let the OL coach and/or the WR coach handle the tight ends.  The quarterback position is the most important on the field.  It's a little crazy that very few teams have a coach dedicated to working exclusively with that position.  It is a job traditionally handled by the offensive coordinator, who is also busy drawing plays, installing a game plan, and working with the other coaches.  Every team should have someone coaching quarterbacks, teaching technique, teaching footwork, teaching defensive reads, and everything else that goes with it.  Sure, that position coach would end up being responsible for only a handful of players while other position coaches are handling a dozen or more players, but these are the MOST IMPORTANT PLAYERS.  It's worth it.  And it's not like the tight ends coach has a whole lot of charges either.

Still with me?  OK, we know Chavis is the man for the defensive coordinator position.  As discussed before, we at ATVS think this is a very good hire.  It's really almost impossible to argue with the selection.  Sure, I think hiring a rising star like Dewayne Walker would have been the sexier choice (he turned us down, if you believe the rumor mill), but Chavis is a guy whose defenses are always, always, always good.  Even this year, with an absolutely awful offense that put him in tough spot after tough spot, his defense gave up a total of 14 touchdowns on the season.  Our offense gave up half that many.

If there is one knock on Chavis, it is that he is not an eager and energetic recruiter.  Let's clarify something about this topic, however.  I follow recruiting pretty closely.  I enjoy it.  I think it's a very important topic.  A lot of people, myself included, tend to overstate the importance of recruiting.  We tend to look at everything through the recruiting lens, and that's just too much emphasis to place on one aspect of their jobs.  Yes, everything starts with recruiting.  Yes, recruiting is the lifeblood of a program.  There's just a lot more to a coach's duties than recruiting, and a lot more that is required for a program to be successful.  

No high school player comes to college not needing to be coached.  Every one of these players has a long way to go before they're truly ready to compete and succeed in the SEC.  The coaches not only have to get the players to campus, but they also have to coach them up and put them in a scheme to succeed.  As a defensive coordinator, Chavis's most important job is to be the X's and O's guy.  It's much more important to put these guys in a scheme that will work for them than it is to get one or two more better athletes.

Chavis may be an indifferent recruiter compared to some others, but it's not like he doesn't do it.  He has been out on the recruiting trail for the past couple of days, in fact.  I just don't think he's going to be a Larry Porter or a DJ McCarthy or a Bradley Dale Peveto logging thousands of miles traveling hither and yon.  And frankly if Chavis is also going to be responsible for coaching linebackers, I think that's plenty enough responsibility for one person.  A defensive coordinator is too important of a tactician to spend all of his time and energy on recruiting, and adding the linebacker duties to that makes it even more forgivable that he is not all that much of a recruiter.

Even so, he's probably at least as good of a recruiter as Bo Pelini was, and probably at least as good as Doug Mallory was.  It does, however, mean that we have to replace Earl Lane's and Bradley Dale Peveto's recruiting prowess with the other hires.  We'll get more into that tomorrow, as this post is already getting quite long.  Always leave 'em wanting more.

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Recruiting...

I’m kind of like you Richard. I think I place too much emphasis on recruiting, but that’s because I think recruiting is more than 50% of “success” in college football. It’s no secret that the programs that consistently field top 10 recruiting classes consistently perform accordingly on the field. Of course there are a few outliers.

Having said that, I’m not worried one bit about Chavis’ recruiting. To me, the combo of Haley, Cooper, and Chavis, will be every bit as good as the combo of Mallory, Lane, Peveto. If you look at Haley and Cooper’s numbers on Rivals, they were arguably the best recruiters at their respective schools. When you put those guys on staff at a school like LSU with more resources and better tradition, and recent success they could turn into all star recruiters over night.

There is nothing to suggest that these guys can’t do what our previous staff did in terms of recruiting. Even if they just come close in recruiting, there is everything to suggest that the product that they put on the field will be improved over what our previous staff did. Homerun hires across the board in my opinion. Well done Les.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 6, 2009 8:33 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll get into Haley and Cooper tomorrow

I think recruiting is very important. Your “more than 50% of success” supposition may even be accurate. It’s extremely important. All the schools that are consistently at the top recruit very well. No doubt about it. It’s virtually a prerequisite for extended success. But there are also programs that recruit very well that never seem to do much with it. Florida State is consistently a top 10 recruiting program. Miami had what was considered the #1 recruiting class in the country last year, and had been doing well previously. These programs are not consistently performing up to their recruiting levels. Recruiting is a necessary part of success, but it appears not to be sufficient. YOu need more, and you can’t and shouldn’t dedicate your entire resources simply to getting the best talent. You will fall short.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Jan 6, 2009 10:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I completely agree with LSU Jonno. I think you also mean that top recruiting doesn’t always produce top results. It’s just the best way to increase your odds. One school you missed Richard is Notre Dame. Top recruits, poor performance. I think the news is jumping on that Hawaii bowl bandwagon a little too quickly.

by Bob Barker on Jan 6, 2009 3:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you may be right but....

I heard a guy say once that he thought the majority of notre dame’s recruiting classes were only ranked so high after the fact, meaning that they didn’t truly have recruiting classes on par w/ the top dogs. That to me seems likely and even probable w/ the way their players have performed recently.

Anecdotal i know, but it would explain some part of their under-achievement.

by Zandor435 on Jan 6, 2009 3:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zandor is right...

It’s no secret that RIvals and Scouts cater to their membership…I.E. Schools with large subscription bases get bumped up in the rankings mysteriously. LSU, BAMA, and ND recruits regularly get bumped up just because they sign with those schools.

In some cases this could be completely legit, I mean if Miles thinks a 2 star OL prospect deserves a scholarship to LSU maybe Rivals should take notice and rethink their evaluation given Miles’ OLine record (Think Josh Wilford from this year), maybe the same could be said for DB’s and Saban. Sometimes though recruiting site operators will ask a 3 star RB if they can list him as a FB instead and in return they’ll give them an extra star boosting a schools rankings for no reason.

One thing that I’ve heard Collin Cowherd (sp?) talk about is that yeah, ND get’s 4 and 5 star O-linemen and TE’s and LB’s and even a QB every now and then, but they don’t get speedy DE’s, game breaking WR’s and ball hawking safeties. Maybe there is some truth to that as well.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 6, 2009 8:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not sure I would put LSU in that category of getting guys bumped up just cause. Bama and ND are the ones most people complain about. I think the guy who runs Rivals is from Bama and everyone caters to ND simply because they have the most fans support.

by Bob Barker on Jan 7, 2009 7:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was definitely thinking about Miami and FSU when I read your post...

Those guys can’t put it together. FSU consistently gets out coached by the likes of Wake Forest and other sub-par ACC schools.

by Zandor435 on Jan 6, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question for Richard and the rest of this community...

Assuming everyone pulled for every SEC team that wasn’t playing in a BCS bowl…

Who were you pulling for in the Sugar Bowl and who will you be pulling for in the NC?

I was pulling for Utah, and will be pulling for OU. I think the SEC has done enough the past 3 years to assert itself as the dominant conference in college football. Now I’m more intrigued by programs like UF and Bama experiencing some hiccups.

If we land Randle, I think Utah ripping through Bama’s 2nd string O-line will have as much as anything to do with his decision. You can’t be excited about that line next year from watching that bowl game.

by LSU Jonno on Jan 6, 2009 1:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was pulling for Bama until the game progressed....

I have to admit that I went into the game wanting and expecting Bama to blow them out. I was shell-shocked by the blitz of points and also the literal blitzes that seemed to endlessly sack JPW. Somewhere throughout the game, I started cheering for the Utes to make a game of it. It was only in end when i actually realized that the Utes could win did I start pulling for them.

by Zandor435 on Jan 6, 2009 3:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry for the long reply

I over emphasize recruiting as well. Its just so much easier to win when you have superior talent. We have very good coaches, but so does the rest of the SEC. I’m not going to go so far as to say coaching is a push in most of these games, but its pretty freakin hard to materially out coach the Meyers, Sabans, Richts, etc. I’d much rather have Reuben Randle mismatched against some average cb than have to rely on some magical break or special teams play. Recruiting is one of very few ways to get a real competitive advantage in the SEC. That being said, we have a very real threat in Saban and Bama when it comes to recruiting.

Therefore, Im glad Bama lost. They picked up a lot of momentum this year and losing the SEC title wasn’t enough to slow them down. Florida was expected to beat them. We needed Saban to fall to keep his recruiting prowess somewhat in check.

Even if they are against two good teams in championships, losing two games back to back going into the offseason is never good. Losing to Utah especially. Those guys looked very good, but… its Utah. You lost to a THE UTES Bama!.. What is a Ute?! Is Utes plural for Ute?

Anyway, Bama seems much more vulnerable and much more mundane now. They are not going to be super good next year either. So, Saban, will most likely enter his fourth year at Bama without anything of large significance accomplished. No national title, No SEC title, and probably no major BCS bowl victory to speak of… at that point I think recruits start asking “If you’re so good and Im going to win with you, why haven’t you won anything but the sec west since you’ve been there for the last 3 years”. Hopefully, he becomes the next Mark Richt, a great coach, but perceived as “probably not better than every other major program’s coach in the SEC”.

To me Florida is secondary and we need them to kick butt to keep the perception of the SEC as the best. The big 12 is going to produce great looking teams in the years to come, and as long as there isnt a playoff, the winner of the SEC, the Big 12, probably USC, and someone else are going to be vying for the two spots. If OU wins, it will hurt the SEC champ in the future beauty contests for the BCS title game. If Florida wins, the sec will have won 3 of the last 3 title games and 4 of the last 6. Its hard to argue with that. If the SEC teams have to rely on winning the SEC and going undefeated to make it, we are all in bad shape. Would a sec team absolutely have to go undefeated to make it to the BCS game if florida loses. Probably not, but I think Florida winning sure helps in getting the sec team the benefit of the doubt amongst 1 loss teams.

But does that make Florida too strong? Maybe. But look at USC. They can’t keep an assistant coach. If Florida wins, their coaches are going to get offers everywhere. Its going to be very hard for them to keep it up with a revolving door of coaches like USC. There is just too much competition in the SEC. Plus, Tim Tebow’s don’t come around every 3 years.

Right now, Im worried about Bama and keeping the sec the top dog.

by nepomo on Jan 6, 2009 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm for OU

mainly because Mrs. Artiger is really a Sooner, at least by birth and education (she is a pretty decent Tiger fan most of the time, I’m proud to say). Keeping peace at home takes place over conference loyalty. Plus, I’ve got a good bit of Tebow-Meyer fatigue. If the Gates roll, I will not be terribly upset, however.

As far as the Sugar goes/went, I was Bama all the way. Yes, it would be nice to pick up a recruit because of the result, but I still have some sense of league loyalty. My hypocrisy goes only so far!

by artiger on Jan 6, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SEC...

except Bama. Not because I hate Bama, but because I want the team with the best shot at competing for the West title with LSU to experience trouble. I like it when the east teams are good. I also like the 3-6 best west teams to be good. Only the second best west team always worries me. I’m also implying here that LSU is the best west team. Over the last few years, we are. I would like to keep it that way. When Auburn was good, I hoped they had some trouble here and there. Now that Bama is good, I hope they get the trouble. So…rooting for UF and rooted for Utah.

by Bob Barker on Jan 6, 2009 3:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When you say that we're the best west team,

are you saying that we are in the upcoming season? Because this year, we clearly are not. Previous three seasons, yeah, but Ole Miss is not going to lose much ground next season, although Nutt tends to do less with more (and vice versa).

by artiger on Jan 6, 2009 6:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant it as over the last 10 years when people ask who the best team in the west was, they would say LSU. I don’t want to ask that question 10 years from now and have them say Bama…or some other team. So whichever team can take that status from us is who I root againts.

by Bob Barker on Jan 7, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, OK, I got you now.

Sorry, I’m a little slow. I still would maintain that Ole Miss is just as lethal a threat (as Bama) next season, and maybe one more. After that, Nutt will guide them back toward mediocrity.

by artiger on Jan 7, 2009 12:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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