The Offensive Offense
Let's not mince words: the offense sucks. The offense sucked on the west coast, it has sucked in the rain, it has sucked when we're the host, and it has sucked on a train. I do not like it, Poseur senses. I do not like our terrible offense.*
* Deepest apologies to Dr. Seuss. I mean, deep, deep apologies.
We won't even cherry pick stats, choose your preferred measurement. Here are LSU's national ranks in each category (out of 120 teams):
Total Offense: 109
Scoring Offense: 89
Rushing Offense: 88
Passing Offense: 103
Passing Efficiency: 46
Hey, at least the offense passes the ball efficiently. There are almost no positives out of those stats. LSU only has one player who ranks in the top 100 of yardage leaders at his position (Terrance Toliver - 86th). And this isn't an instance of the numbers lying to us, the offense even looks bad. Billy insists this offense lacks an identity. He is wrong. This offense has an identity: one of ineptitude and timidity. This offense is a total and complete disaster.
So, what to do? Can this be fixed?
The message boards are demanding for Gary Crowton's head on a platter. I hate to call for a guy to be fired since these are real people with families and all that, but college co-ordinators are hired to be fired. It's a brutal and often unfair profession, but it is the profession Crowton chose for himself. You cannot helm an offense with as many highly rated recruits as LSU, turn out a product this bad, and expect to keep your job. Crowton's on borrowed time. I'm working off the assumption he is getting canned in the offseason, which still leaves the question: what can be done this year?
Let's take each issue one at a time:
PLAY CALLING
Let's admit that Jordan Jefferson cannot run the option. Please, scrap this from the playbook except when Russell Shepard comes in the game.
However, that's not the real issue. The real issue is that Crowton and Miles are still calling the game as if they are shell shocked from last season. They have done everything in their power to avoid interceptions, which has resulted, predictably, in lots of sacks and an offense that can't move the ball down the field. The LSU offense has completely abandoned the middle of the field, and teams are packing the box daring LSU to throw.
Yes, the offensive line has been bad, but it's even harder to run the ball when you only run in obvious run formations on obvious run downs. Has Crowton even heard of the play action? LSU has about 5000 formations and only 10 plays. There is all of this complexity, but ultimately, it is a painfully predictable offense.
One last note on play calling to every person who speculates over whether Miles is "interfering" with the offense: shut up. OF COURSE Miles is involved in play calling. He's the head coach. That's not interfering, that's doing his job. The head coach doesn't make every play call, but to pretend that our head coach should be off getting an orange slushee when the offense is on the field is just stupid. The head coach is not, nor should he be, an innocent bystander.
THE QUARTERBACK
Jefferson has not played terribly. He hasn't played great, but he also has not been bad. Most of his problems are also correctable: he doesn't make his man commit on the option, he has no sense of the pocket, he locks on to his primary receiver, and he does not progress through his reads. These are things which can be fixed, but here's the rub: Jefferson has made no progress in any of these areas. It's also a lot easier to fix one problem, Jefferson has to improve several. He needs lots of instruction and improvement.
Which begs the question, what is Jefferson's ceiling? He doesn't have a great arm and he will never be a classic drop back passer. However, his inability to run the option holds him back as a running quarterback. Honestly, his ceiling might be Herb Tyler. I loved Herb Tyler, but that's not a title level quarterback. Even Matt Mauck had some touch, and he was a more explosive runner. I think Mauck's production might be beyond Jefferson's ability.
I dismissed out of hand in the comments the idea of playing Jarrett Lee, but the more I think about it, the more I think Lee needs to get some snaps. That will mean a crowded backfield as that is advocating a three-QB system, which might be a first in modern football. Simply put, Lee has more upside than Jefferson. Jefferson is a solid backup and a guy who will not hurt you when you need him to play, but he is not a guy who can carry the offense. Yes, he's only 19, but what signs has he given us that he will improve. What are his raw tools that make you believe he will become Mauck or Flynn, two title winning QB's who started as little more than a running option?
Lee completely imploded last year. By the end of the season, he was a beaten man, and it seemed he just needed a hug. He expected bad things to happen, and more often than not, they did. Lee, however, still possesses the raw tools to be a good quarterback. It's up to the coaches to harness those tools and turn them into skills. Lee has the higher upside of the two quarterbacks, and it makes sense to play him.
THE FRESHMEN
Everyone loves the freshmen because all they have are recruiting videos and the burden of expectations. Shepard is an exciting player, but he is not a panacea to cure all ills. Shepard has demonstrated no ability to throw the ball and the offense is way too predictable with him under center. Shepard also looks like he weighs about 50 pounds soaking wet. I'm not convinced he can take the pounding of too many snaps.
Randle's also going to be a great player, but he is on the field, people. Stop asking for him to play. He just hasn't been Jerry Rice immediately. And for the love of God, stop with the "Les Miles doesn't play freshmen" thing. Miles is playing just about the same number of freshmen as any coach of a major program.
THE OFFENSIVE LINE
Well, it's been bad, but the unit it improving. A lot of the problems right now stem from the coaches telegraphing the play-call and Jefferson's ridiculous 10 step drops. A lot of those sacks were coverage sacks caused by Jefferson have little concept of how to step up in the pocket.
They have been a favorite whipping boy, but we have been breaking in three new starters and almost all of the backups are underclassmen. The only thing that is going to help this unit is time. We can't expect dramatic improvement, just incremental improvement. They are doing that.
LAST THOUGHTS
There is talent everywhere, especially at wide receiver. The coaching staff needs to do a better job of utilizing their assets. Instead of coming to the line and reacting to the defense, the offense needs to try and dictate the game and make defenses react to it. A little misidirection wouldn't hurt.
But this offense is like a fool in the shower, grossly overreacting to every problem. Jefferson takes too many open field hits? Great, now he won't take the hit on the option. Threw too many interceptions? Great, now we have an offense that won't throw over the middle of the field. Want to run the fashionable spread but have a power running back? Fine, let's do both and therefore do neither.
Take some risks. Yes, bad things will happen, but so will good things. Also, accentuate what we do well. Jefferson is bad in the pocket? Help him out and run some designed rollouts. He's good on the run. Run some play action to help out the running game. When you run those deep routes, perhaps it would be a good idea to have some underneath routes.
I hate to break this to you, Gary, but you should probably already be updating the resume. Might as well take some risks. What do you have to lose?
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I would add one more thing:
Personnel Packages
Danielson and others have made the observation that Crowton gets a little too cute with his substitutions and formations. Let’s get some continuity in the players on the field. These aren’t set in stone, how about a Power I/Play Action group with Jefferson, Scott, and Williams in the backfield. A Zone Read/Option package with Shep, Holliday and Williams. Mix in a two minute drill with Lee if you’re dead set to get him some snaps (that last one still makes me nervous). And finally, let’s see a KO return team with Holliday and Shep receiving kicks.
Another player that seems to be regressing is Toliver. He made no play on the interception and had one other curl patter where he basically ran his route and just turned around, didn’t come back for the ball at all. It looks like he’s starting to get sloppy with his routes.
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by The Bengal on Oct 13, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with everything
I think almost all the players are regressing, which speaks ill of the coaching staff.
While we’re on the personnel groupings, why do we put Keiland in for red zone packages, the part of the field he is LEAST effective? Why isn’t he out there with Shep in the Wild Tiger?
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by Poseur on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Anemic Offense
The Bengal makes some great points and I agree with everyone of them, and I think the author Poseur is dead on the money.
I would like to add that I think Jefferson is not QB material. He is certainly a talented athlete, that could be either a Receiver or a DB or Safety, but he will never become the QB LSU needs. As Poseur says, he is showing no progress or learning anything. He makes poor decisions and seems to be thinking at 50 hertz while everyone else is running at 60 hertz.. Crowton and Miles seem to be trying to create a QB when they should have just recruited one.
I also think it is time to give J. Lee another shot but on a situational basis to start with. I think Crowton destroyed this guy last year by asking him to do way too much for a freshman. If he would have brought Lee along slowly like he is doing with Jefferson, then we may not have ever been in the situation we were in. Lee has way more talent and skills for the Job than Jefferson, but Lee just needs them to feed him back in slowly at first. I am not saying bench Jefferson, but maybe begin phasing him out and phasing Lee and Shepard in more and more. Maybe have Jefferson in for reverses, or short passes so he can run.
I also think having two offensive teams much like the old days when LSU had the Go Team and the White Team back in the Paul Dietzel Days. The Points made earlier about a team with Shepard at QB and one with Lee or Jefferson with the mixture of speed and power.
by Bullday on Oct 14, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check with Me.
Please remove this "Check with me " stalling tactic for the QB. Maybe allowing Jefferson to go under center and just call the plays and run them without the slow down. That tactic seems to be slowing the offense down and helping the defense get ready.
I say get rid of this useless Tactic.
by Bullday on Oct 14, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those
Freaking out about Rueben Randle’s PT:
R.J. Jackson 6-0 7 95 13.6 0 40 15.8
Chris Mitchell 6-4 4 16 4.0 0 6 2.7
Rueben Randle 6-0 3 43 14.3 0 16 7.2
Please read. He has 3 catches. Chris Mitchel has 4, RJ Jackson has 7. The only 2 receivers seeing more significant time than him are Brandon LaFell and Terrance Toliver. And they both SHOULD be getting more playing time then him.
by Billy Gomila on Oct 13, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree
with this…why does everybody act like our problem is receiver?
by TigerTex on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Someone who has this problem is freaking DandyDon. I used to think he was the eternal optimist, but now he’s singling out players that need to be replaced, especially on the offensive line (as if he has any idea how the backups with no experience will play), saying crap like Randle needs to play more (he was on the field a ton, get open and earn the quarterbacks trust and he’ll get the ball), and how Shepard should be playing just about every play. I realize that Shepard is extremely explosive, but he has also fumbled twice in very few carries (as someone else here noted). I would still like to see him in the Wild Tiger, but everyone just needs to relax and take a step back. We just played the #1 defense in the country. I am 100% sure that LSU and their coaches are aware that the offense has not been good so far, and they are trying to fix it. We are still 5-1. If we had a worse record, I could better understand all of the people calling for other people’s jobs, or playing time, but let’s just hang on for at least another week. If we don’t show significant improvement against Auburn though, we could be in trouble.
Also, just a thought here: is it possible that we are STILL holding back our offense a little? As in not showing our hand? That thought crossed my mind because of a couple of things-no new trick plays or anything, Shepard doesn’t play at all, Holliday gets the ball twice. All in all, just a very vanilla offense again. I’m sure the coaches knew it wasn’t a make or break game. Is it a possibility that we are keeping some tricks up our sleeve for Alabama? Or even Ole Miss? You know, the games that actually matter? It sure would’ve been nice to win this, but before the season I thought we could split with Florida, and I would much rather get the second one.
by Ianoka on Oct 13, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure there are still some trick plays we haven't seen yet
but I don’t know if we’ll get to see them if the overall offensive production doesn’t improve. You don’t really want to put in flea flickers and double reverses if you can’t complete screen passes and option plays.
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by The Bengal on Oct 13, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we continue to change quarterbacks mid season every year
We will continue to struggle and have an inexperienced quarterback. The fans demanded Lee be benched for Jefferson last season, despite the fact that Lee’s outstanding play in the Auburn and Troy games won those games. Also despite the fact that Jefferson was 18 years old. So now the fans want Lee back? The fans demanded the offense to be more conservative last season, now the fans want to open it up. So now what? Give it to Sheppard before he is ready and let the fans turn on him also?
by NOPE on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about this
Fans shut up and watch the games. Try to enjoy them. You are not a coach. You do not know anything about the game. You have no talent for calling plays. The team does not owe you anything. You may have coached your sons biddy ball team to an undefeated season, but that does not make you Knute F’n Rockne.
The fans and their idiotic assumptions are ruining LSU football.
by NOPE on Oct 13, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a great extent with both of your posts
We are not at practice. We don’t see what the team does well and not well in practice.
Our center is a sophomore (his back-up is a freshman) and our QB is a sophomore (backed-up by a sophomore and a true freshman), and almost nothing at full back. That is not a good recipe for a prolific offense. We probably need to wait until the end of the season or next year for better production. I think Miles and Crowton may be doing what’s best for the program instead of what’s best for the early part of this year.
by Gas_House_Gorillas on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if we all shut up, this blog would have to close down. Of course Miles and Crowton know more about coaching, but we’ve all watched a little bit of football ourselves. We may not know how to teach proper technique, install an offense, or draw up plays, but we certainly understand the broad strokes of an offense. I’m not a professional chef, but I know how to boil water.
And no, we don’t see practice. Which is why I’m not calling for X player to play. But, ultimately, it doesn’t matter what the team looks like in practice. What matters is how terrible the results have been. And they have been wretched. Crowton doesn’t get a pass because he works real hard. I’m sure he does. It doesn’t change the fact our offense is one of the least effective in the nation despite a roster full of top tier recruits.
I think criticism should be constructive, but I don’t think they are immune from criticism because we lack all of the requisite skills to run a football program.
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by Poseur on Oct 13, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt mean to go all preachy there
I love talking about this crap all day also. If we keep pulling QBs, we can forget ever recruiting a top teir one again. QB play is not the only area the offense is struggling in. WRs are running undisciplined routes. OL are jumping offsides and missing assignments. RBs are not hitting holes and blocking. A change at the QB position will not fix those problems.
by NOPE on Oct 13, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
I do agree with the overall point that fans are way too fickle. And I hope it doesn’t come across that I am saying "if we play Lee, our offense will be awesome". It won’t. I actually think we should play Lee because he may be the better long term option. But I do trust the coaches to make the right decision either way. It’s hardly a fireable offense.
When you rank 89th in scoring offense, there is plenty blame to go around. Everyone deserves some. And in the coaching biz, if you head up an offense that ranks 89th in the nation, you get fired. That doesn’t make it fair or even right. But that is the nature of the business.
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by Poseur on Oct 13, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the problem people.
16 and 17 year olds are very computer savvy these days. When they start getting letters from Schools about attending their university during the recruiting process what do you think they do?
Google – LSU, Football
What shows up? All the blogs.
What shows up on the blogs?
Les Miles sucks
Gary Crowton Sucks
Nick Saban was the greatest man to ever breath in Death Valley….
What does said possible five star recruit do next?
Google – Alabama Football
What do those Blogs say?
Les Miles Sucks,
Gary Crowton Sucks,
Nick Saban is the second coming of the greatest man to ever draw breath
What conclusion do you draw from that young mr. five star recruit? ‘Well even the LSU fans say it, must be true….’
Oh, and wait till he shows up to Tiger Stadium and we are booing an 18 year old giving his all.
Better yet, when he looks around at just after half time of a close conference game and finds a half empty stadium.
TIGER FANS,
Please understand, you are not helping the program.
Take a step back, let the coaching staff do their job and support the team.
It’s fine to discuss the team and the challenges but all this calling for peoples jobs when we were undefeated and now after a single loss to THE no.1 team in the nation is for crying out loud ridiculous!!
Thanks!
Geaux Tigers!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Oct 14, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN
And that’s what it is, SHUT THE BLAZING ETERNAL SUN UP!!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Oct 14, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article
One thing I disagree with.
“He [Jefferson] doesn’t have a great arm and he will never be a classic drop back passer.” I think he does. When he has time to set his feet and wind up, he throws a freaking bullet. (his delivery isn’t as quick as I’d like, but that’s another issue). And he’s tall and well built. He is fairly athletic, which is I think why people assume that he can’t be a pocket passer. Like the white receiver immediately being tabbed the “possession guy” who “runs crisp routes.”
In short, I really like all of Jefferson’s physical tools. But hell I like Lee’s physical tools too. He’s got a classic delivery and a quick release. Both of them are just inexperienced. Blame Crowton? Hell I still blame Perriloux.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 13, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame Perrilloux...
… I am blaming the circumstances surrounding the “Perrilloux Issue”. Perrilloux would have been our starting senior QB with Lee and Jefferson biding their time waiting to start next season (as a redshirt junior and redshirt sophomore). Should we have had a more experienced QB in place behind Perrilloux? Maybe…probably so. But, it didn’t happen (for whatever reason) and we are left with two sophomores who are not ready to start for a team that would win championships. Not many teams win championships with freshmen and sophomore QBs.
But, do I lose sleep over this or ignore my wife and child or do poorly at work because I can’t get over a loss? No. I slept well Saturday night. It would be nice to win but we have one loss to the #1 team in the country and the defending national champion. We have two weeks to prepare for Auburn. I bet we are much better on offense for Auburn.
by Gas_House_Gorillas on Oct 13, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also slept well on Saturday night
8 beers will do that
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 13, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outside of the result, I enjoyed the game
We got the big cushy chairs at the sports bar. Good friends, lots of beer, and good times. It was great until the final few minutes, and after that, I was upset for all of five minutes. Then, more beer arrived.
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by Poseur on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perriloux would be gone this year
No one can convince me he would have come back for his senior season if he had had any reasonable success last year. The QB problem is that we had a 2 year gap between Perriloux and Lee, so when Perriloux got kicked off, we had only a redshirt freshman and a true freshman. I’m not counting Hatch, because he was a last minute transfer and because he pretty obviously didn’t have the skills (arm strength) to be an answer for us.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
by The Bengal on Oct 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before...
we are suffering from Post-Perrilloux Syndrome. You look at the top teams this year (AL, FLA, TX , VTech) they have one thing in common: Experience at QB. You’ve got to play that position for a while just to be decent.
Of course they don’t want JJ throwing the ball down the field—he probably doesn’t know exactly what he’s looking at yet! If FLA scored an easy TD off a turnover to go up 17-3, we definitely would have had no chance. The only way we could have won against FLA was to keep it close and try to sneak one out. That’s exactly why Shepard didn’t play—he’s already fumbled TWICE in just a few carries.
Our title aspirations are a couple of years away.
by TigerTex on Oct 13, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please explain...
AL’s experience at QB this year.
by rtr on Oct 13, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
5th year JR vs. 2nd year Sophomore has to be explained to you?
by Billy Gomila on Oct 14, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hokies especially give me hope
Before this year Tyrod Taylor was awful. He was a 5* recruit, but he had like 2 Tds and 9 picks last year. Made Jordan Jefferson look like YA Tittle.
But all of a sudden, in his third year, Taylor is a stud. He finally put everything together and Virginia Tech is looking like an 11-1 team right now. If Jefferson or Lee can make that kind of a jump, we’ll be ok.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 13, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
VTech is a good example of what we can be…
by TigerTex on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor is hardly a stud
Virginia Tech still wins ugly. They still play Beamer-Ball.
Here’s Taylor’s season stats.
2009 Regular Season Game Log Passing Rushing
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
9/5 Alabama L 34-24 9 20 91 45.0 43 0 0 83.22 10 -26 -2.6 16 0
9/12 Marshall W 52-10 9 16 161 56.3 43 2 1 169.53 7 58 8.3 46 0
9/19 Nebraska W 16-15 12 27 192 44.4 81 1 0 116.40 9 -22 -2.4 4 0
9/26 Miami (FL) W 31-7 4 9 98 44.4 48 1 0 172.58 10 75 7.5 22 0
10/3 @Duke W 34-26 17 22 327 77.3 62 2 0 232.13 5 1 0.2 6 0
10/10 Boston College W 48-14 7 10 126 70.0 41 2 0 241.84 6 9 1.5 10 0
The Duke game has appeared to skewed his stats. Subtract that game and he’s not even completing 50% of his passes. I think what this tells you is that we should schedule Duke. Then apparently everyone will love our offense.
by BeerBaron on Oct 13, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude look at his ratings game by game
83.22 (Bama)
169.53 (Marshall)
116.40 (Nebraska)
172.58 (Da U)
232.13 (Duke)
241.84 (BC)
That’s pretty fraking good, other than the Bama game against the best defense in the country. His % isn’t that great, but this is because he takes a lot of shots downfield. His yards per attempt, which is more important, is quite good.
Plus did you see the play he made to win the game against the Huskers? Damn.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 13, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His ratings have got to be inflated
While I admittedly have not watched much of VT other than the Bama game, his numbers (other than his rating) are not impressive at all. 9/16 (Marshall), 12/27 (Nebraska), 4/9 (Miami), and 7/10 (Boston College) are hardly stud-like numbers. In fact, I would argue that those numbers are of a QB whose coach doesn’t let him throw a lot, quite similar to JJ.
What it tells me, numbers alone, are that he’s got some real efficient play-makers who know how to both eat up yardage and get in the endzone on the rare chances they get the ball. And considering that his yardage totals are pretty minimal, I would argue they’ve got a pretty good defense leaving them with a short field.
Now, as I said, I haven’t watched much VT other than Bama and highlights, so I could be dead wrong (and please tell me if I am), but I’m not looking for a QB who can go 4/9 or 7/10. I think we’ve got that already.
by BeerBaron on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also has only one pick
And a 9.57 ypa average. Per ATTEMPT This is incredible. It’s ok if you only go 7 for 10 if two of those 7 completions are 80 yard touchdowns.
For comparison, Sam Bradford’s yards per attempt for his first two years were 9.15 and 9.77. Jefferson’s so far this year is 7.01 (which isn’t that bad fwiw).
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 13, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 GAMES 5 WINS 1 LOST TO THE # 1 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY BY 10 POINTS WITH A LITTLE POINT PRODUCTION WE SURE WOULD BE 6 AND 0 AND THIER WOULD STILL BE GRUMBLING AND OH BY THE WAY LSU CAN BE A 11 – 1 TEAM JUST LIKE V TECH.
JUST NEED MORE POINT PRODUCTION
by mike da tiger on Oct 13, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop yelling
We can hear you.
And I understand you, man. I’m not spitting venom and I’m not all that upset. I’m not standing up demanding Crowton’s head on a platter. I’m just pointing out our offense is terrible. It’s got talent and can certainly improve. But when you have a team that’s supposed to put up points and it can’t, that usually means the OC is getting canned. I’m not leading the charge, I’m just reading the tea leaves.
And I do agree we can certainly go 11-1. But the team does need to improve for that to happen.
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by Poseur on Oct 13, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This..
next game will be telling if Crowton keeps his job, and it won’t come down to whether they win or not, but rather on their performance as an offense. There will be many top recruits that will decide their college future after that game.
If they don’t score more than 20 points I’ll probably kick a dog. This offense right now is abuse inducing.
by Mikeno on Oct 13, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is everyone's opinion on the running game so far?
and no, i’m not talking about that “option” that we run. What do you think of Scott, Williams, etc.
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by Cameron Dodd on Oct 13, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we tend to have some success running off tackle
and executing zone read and counter plays. We get stuffed or blown up on the inside the tackles and as noted elsewhere, Jefferson has become very tentative about running parallel to the line of scrimmage and taking contact on option plays. I mentioned this above, but I would like to see the zone read run with Shep and Holliday.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
by The Bengal on Oct 13, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe we did
I think I saw a zone read once against Georgia with Shep and Holliday. As soon as I recognized the personnel in the backfield I got excited. Shepard held it and got five or so yards. However, just because it worked once doesn’t mean it should become a staple of our offense. I’d just like to see it once or twice a game.
by ORtigerfan on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"just because it worked once doesn’t mean it should become a staple of our offense."q
Crowton certainly seems to agree with you on that one.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 14, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your gallows humor amuses me
well played
by ORtigerfan on Oct 15, 2009 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want more zone read
shep is awesome w/ it. JJ has run it w/ some success as well.
Texas has made a living off of this play w/ both VY and Colt
by Zandor435 on Oct 14, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's in the trenches
I don’t disagree with Poseur’s points, but I’ve taken a different approach in my criticism. Remember, it was just a couple weeks ago we were complaining about the defense (think UW, and MSU) and saying the offense was improving (think UGA). A 13-3 loss to Florida has people focusing on the ineptitude of the offense, but let’s not overlook the problems of the defense.
The offense and defense have something in common. We’re weak in the trenches on both sides of the ball. One stat says it all. In the last three games we’ve been sacked 13 times; we’ve sacked our opponents a grand total of 0 times.
It’s an old cliche, but it’s true. If you lose the battle in the trenches, you’ll lose elsewhere too. It doesn’t matter how talented your defensive backs, RBs or WRs are. If your line sucks, you’ll be spinning your tires in the mud.
All this decade we’ve had monsters on both lines (Lavalais, Spears, Hill, Williams, Dorsey, Jackson, Peterman, Wilkerson, Niswanger, Livings, Johnson). The lines we’ve seen this season bear no resemblance to the wrecking crews we’ve become accustomed to seeing. Our problems don’t end there, but they begin there.
by uberschuck on Oct 14, 2009 2:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The High Priest of Line Play
Well, I am an acolyte of line play. I believe you cannot win without line play. OU’s struggles this season are a direct result of a lousy offensive line, as another example. You can never underrate the lines.
And I agree. Our lines have been poor, but our o-line is only going to improve with time. There’s not much that can be done to fix it right now. Same with the defensive line. It’s just one of those things we have to live with this season. I don’t believe either unit can be fixed with anything other than time (or things which take lots of time).
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by Poseur on Oct 14, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this too
but there are ways to compensate for weak line play. Misdirection plays, zone reads, quick passes, and screens on offense. We’ve seen very little of that so far.
On defense, zone blitzes and run blitzes can compensate to some extent for weak o-line play (and has so far this year).
To be sure, those kind of adjustments aren’t enough to beat a Floriday or Alabama that’s on the top of their game, but it should allow us to beat less talented teams. We’ve seen some adjustments on the defensive side of the ball. The frustrating thing is that we haven’t seen it on the offensive side.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
by The Bengal on Oct 14, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y'all are both right
Which is my biggest issue. There are ways to compensate for a lot of our personnel issues and they aren’t being taken right now.
by Billy Gomila on Oct 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have the players on offense....
We have a very talented team, but for some reason they are not playing well together. I’m not sure what the problem is.
by dsrimages on Oct 14, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thinking of stuff said above....Had to laugh....
First off, people are not blind, aduh. Players are not so dumb that they can’t see what is happening on the field. Fans say stuff is not going to cause a player to pick which school they can go to. Actually, a person might be more willing to come to a school where they feel they can make a difference. Why go to a school which has loaded talent and you get no playing time. I totally disagree with the scenario that fans are causing players not to attend LSU. Give me a break, that is the biggest line of bs I have ever heard. If you are that paranoid, better check other areas of your life as well and make sure noone is walking through walls following you. Sorry man, I just don’t buy into that junk at all.
Granted, LSU has issues and things that need to be worked on and things that need to change. Yes, LSU fans are concerned because they see how poorly LSU has been playing. We may be 5-1 but very easily could have been 3-3….We got past Georgia and Miss State, but we did not do it in style. Bottom line is Les and crew are going to have to get their act together and bring these guys together. We’ve got a very good football team who has the ability to win big games as well as other games. If they come together, they may not lose anymore games, if they do not, they will possibly lose 2-4 more games. Remember, we still have Auburn, Ole Miss, Alabama, and Arkansas. We could have beat Florida, but the team had no fire and have not had any fire all year. It’s something Miles and crew need to change if they wish to win any other games. If this causes you to think I am giving LSU bad publicity, then get over it, I tell it the way I see it as I have that right. Get behind LSU and help fire them up, don’t hide behind walls paranoid thinking people cannot see in glass houses.
by dsrimages on Oct 15, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No fire
The team didn’t have fire? The entire first quarter for almost every defensive snap I saw a different somebody waving his arms, firing up the crowd. It looked to me like every single player had come to play and had come to win.
I’m tired of hearing people say that this team doesn’t want to win or wants everything handed to them. That’s just plain untrue.
by ORtigerfan on Oct 16, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give you Nebraska
Fans can have no effect on the program huh?
I give you Nebraska: (Erily similar situation)
Frank Solich succeeded the legenday Tom Osborne and went 42-9 in his first four years winning a conference championship and several division crowns. (Unlike Les he didn’t quite get over the top despite a 12-1 second season and no. 2 national finish.) In his fifth year he sliped to 7-7 (3-5 B12) and decided to shake things up bringing in a new DC (Bo Pelini) – 2003 began with Nebraska starting out 5-0, before suffering three key losses later in the year; 41–24 to Missouri, 31–7 to Texas and 38–9 to Kansas State. After winning the final game of the regular season to finish 9-3, Solich was fired by new athletic director Steve Pederson, who justified the move by stating he would not “let Nebraska gravitate into mediocrity” and would not “surrender the Big 12 to Oklahoma and Texas”. Solich’s 58 wins during his six seasons as Nebraska’s head coach exceeded those of his predecessors, Bob Devaney (53 wins) and Osborne (55 wins), both of whom are in the College Football Hall of Fame.
Nebraska had to beg Callahan to take the job after offering a blank check to every big time coach out there. The job was poison because they had fired a guy that had one rebuilding year but was statistically the best coach they had ever had.
This set Nebraska back at least a decade and frankly without Osborne stepping back in and convincing Pelini to come back they might not have started to turn it back around even now (The jury is still out)
Also, it wasn’t just the inability to hire a coach after the phsyco fanatical fan discontent driven firing of Solich that set the program back. Look at recruiting since then-Nebraska used to get whoever they offered, that has not been the case since this went down.
Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I’m not paranoid, I’m just in love with where the Tigers are nationally and I’m patient enough to allow the best coach we’ve ever had to work through some glitches.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Oct 16, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think people are that lame.
LSU has one of the best programs in the country. People from all over want to come to LSU to play. They also want to go to Florida, Alabama, as well as other places that have solid programs. If a player picks Alabama, Florida, or another school over LSU, it is because they like something about that school and feel it will benefit them more. The same difference is if they choose LSU over other schools. People basing a career are not going to make a decision of a school they want to go to due to what they read that a fan says about their football team. I’m sorry, but give me a break already. If a player decides to go to a school over LSU, then most likely they were leaning toward that school in the first place. Both Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and many other schools around the nation offer very good football and other sport programs. We can’t get them all man. If they go somewhere else, they go somewhere else. From what I’ve heard some of these other coaches whine because LSU ends up with players they wanted.
Bottom line to it all is people will go to school where fits them best. Has always been that way and always will be.
by dsrimages on Oct 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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