The Media Reacts, So Do I
This was a great win. There's absolutely no other way to read this, though many have chosen to. I was in a media blackout yesterday and simply had no idea the negative opinion of LSU's win.
From Doc Saturday:
There are a lot of directions to go with this game -- a tale of two halves, a gangbusters finish with four touchdowns in the fourth quarter after none in the previous three, even officials thrusting themselves into the narrative with a pair of ludicrous celebration penalties down the stretch -- but the one that keeps coming back to me is the insistence by Lou Holtz, of all people, before the game that LSU just "knows how to win." That is abstract, easily-dismissed vagary, to be sure, but also an alarmingly accurate description for the Tigers' two go-ahead touchdown drives in the second half of the fourth quarter after an entire half spent MIA on offense.
That's the narrative I was expecting. You know, statistical analysts hate stuff like "know how to win", but this really is a team that knows how to win. LSU's mental toughness and lack of panic IS a skill, it's even an observeable skill.
From Team Speed Kills
Both teams challenged impartial observers to find anything praiseworthy about their offenses. They both alternated between incompetent and minimally competent. Even when they did something good -- see LSU's crucial TD to take a 12-7 lead -- they found some way to mess it up -- see the scrambled two-point conversion attempt that followed.
Not that the defenses did much better.
Did we watch the same game? Obviously, I'm not an impartial observer, but to call LSU's offense devoid of anything praise-worthy in the first half seems completely and totally off base. LSU's red zone offense was terrible, but the team moved the ball up and down the field and put together several sustained long drives. Normally, that leads to lots of points.
And I don't know how one couldn't praise LSU's defense after this game. Georgia's offense was completely ineffective in the first half, and probably LSU had something to do with that. Even when UGa scored, it needed either one of the best individual efforts you'll ever see or a gut-wrenching EIGHTEEN play 60 yard drive. Say what you will, but that's a defense that made the offense earn those points.
CFN wrote:
In the end, LSU preserved its perfection and set up a huge game next week in Baton Rouge with Florida by having the last say and taking advantage of Georgia’s inability to handle its prosperity. The Tigers are a shaky 5-0, but they are 5-0, and in this season where top-10 teams seem to relish the opportunity to get upset, that’s quite an accomplishment.
Wow. Talk about damning with faint praise.
And finally, The Sporting News:
Watching this SEC slugfest, a 20-13 road win for LSU, it's hard to imagine either the Tigers or the Bulldogs hanging with conference favorites Florida or Alabama.Muck it up, turn it ugly and maybe there's a shot. Maybe.
No chance of a score-for-score competition. Don't let the frantic final offense-filled minutes fool you. The Gators or Tide would have had their first-stringers relaxing with their feet propped up long before either the Tigers or Bulldogs woke up Saturday.
Well, we'll certainly find that out next week.
I don't really require media validation of the win, but did I watch a different game than everyone else?
I saw an impressive win in which everything started to come together and most importantly, the team showed mental toughness late in the game. Maybe those close games were a blessing, because LSU played like a team used to tight football games. Even during the penultimate drive when LSU receivers kept dropping the ball or a big play got wiped away by penalty, LSU did not panic. The offense calmly reacted to every setback by just getting the next first down and eventually a touchdown.
If there is a team more mentally tough than LSU, I'd like to see them. This team has been under siege not just from the media, but their own fanbase. They have reacted like their coach, by refusing to panic. While some fans want Miles to rant and rave on the sideline more, I think that misses his biggest positive as a coach this season. This team just does not react to pressure.
To see what wilting under pressure looks like, see how Georgia reacted to the terrible flag after Green's touchdown. they made the situation worse by allowing a huge return. Just 30 seconds later in game time, LSU was hit by the same exact terrible penalty. Georgia still had nearly a minute to score. LSU reacted by stuffing the return and then picking off Cox's pass.
It's not the bad break, it's how you react to the bad break.
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A couple of things
First of all, why is Auburn all of a sudden validated after winning a close game at UT? Is that win anywhere near as impressive as winning at Washington? Now I have to read everywhere that LSU is going to lose to Auburn, which is possible, but LSU definitely has a better resume right now.
As far as Team Speed Kills, I think that maybe they are just reluctant to admit they are wrong when they said both defenses are terrible before the game. There is no way you watch that game and don’t think that LSU has a good defense (or that they completely dominated the first half). Basically LSU dominated the first 2 quarters, held on for the 3rd, and played to a draw (at the very least) in the 4th.
Although the media clearly isn’t as optimistic, I think that this LSU team matches up very well with Florida. We have been fairly well prepared for their offense by facing running quarterbacks against UW and Vandy, and we saw Florida’s offense when we played MSU. From what I have seen, Florida doesn’t have anyone that can worry us as far as receivers go. I think we could go with the same gameplan as we did against Georgia-lots of man-to-man, and just let the rest of the defense focus on the run. There is no Percy Harvin this year that requires double teams. Also, LSU is much faster this year, with Alem at end, Coleman at linebacker, and Jones and Taylor at safety, which will help quite a bit against James, Demps, and Rainey, as will the solid tackling we displayed against Georgia.
Offensively, I like our receivers over UF’s secondary. Even though UF’s secondary is very good, they are also undersized (at least compared to our WR’s). Haden and Jenkins are both 5-11, Major Wright is 6 feet (not bad), but the big one is their strong safety Black, who is 5-9. Also, watching the game from last year, Haden could not cover Lafell, and Dickson also had a pretty good game. I think it will be a little bit of a struggle to move the ball against Florida if we can’t get our running game going. Maybe Shepard can provide us that spark.
It is easy to let the constant criticism of Les Miles bother you, but keep this in mind.
The criticism ultimately helps LSU’s program. The national media just absolutely refuses to respect Les Miles and the guy continues to win. So I hope national pundits remain critical of the program all the way to another championship.
Surprisingly Negative Media Coverage of LSU Win Over Georgia
I agree with Poseur. The media is writing up this game as if we were lucky just to squeak by. I think Georgia is lucky the score wasn’t more lopsided (something more honest Ga. fans seem to acknowledge)
I thought the offense looked pretty solid for most of the first half. Lots of different looks and well executed for the most part. If we keep doing this, we will open up the middle. A couple of the plays called were questionable and cost us points, and they have GOT to teach Jefferson how to run that option or draw it up differently! How scary is it to a defense to look across the line and see Shepard and Holliday in the same backfield? Shepard did an excellent job of faking/hiding the handoff to Holiday. The TV cameras couldn’t follow it, and it didn’t look like Ga. could either. I thought we got a little conservative and unidimensional in the 3rd quarter, which again cost us.
It was a big relief after 4 weeks of mediocrity. The Gators are definitely beatable, folks – with or without Tebow. If we run our offense like we did for most of the first half of the Ga. game, we can definitely beat this year’s Gator team in Tiger Stadium
agreed.
i had a bet with a friend that LSU would win this game by three touchdowns, after the first drive, i thought it was in the bag. I was surprised by the halftime score because it seemed like we should have been winning by much more.
the one thing i did learn in watching the game was that Gary Danielson’s crush on TIm Tebow, a love that knows no bounds, is rivaled only by his love for Rennie Curran.
Rennie Curran had 16 tackles
Sixteen!
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 5, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Rennie Curran is a stud...
and T-Bob got the block when it counted most. ;-}
If you score to come from behind in the last minute or two of a game, people are going to think you squeaked out the win regardless of statistical domination in other respects. Especially when said scoring drive is aided by a penalty of such dubious provenance. LSU certainly played better than the final score looked, but there aren’t any style points or East German gymnastics judges…only the scoreboard counts in the end. That (I think) is why the coverage is so negative.
If only the score counts...
… LSU beat a top 25 team on the road. That alone should merit positive coverage. I’m not asking for fawning coverage, but jeez… this was a really good win.
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You’re right that it should, but you suffer there from Georgia having so many question marks and not being regarded as a “true” top 25 opponent. Not fair, but that’s pretty much the way it goes. If people are looking for a reason to downplay your achievements, they’ll be able to find one.
As a Bama fan I don’t have a, well, “dog” in the fight, but watching the game, it appeared you guys were a superior team that couldn’t get out of its own way. I told my son at halftime that I thought Georgia would win, because to play that badly and only be down six at home, I figured they would pull it out. And they almost did. Good luck against Florida…I’d be delighted for 11/7 to be 1 versus 2.
didn't mean to step on your post there..
I was writing mine as you were posting yours and didn’t see it until I had already published.
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It's a meme
Deserved or not, we have to face the reality that this is the media’s view of LSU this season. I wasn’t satisfied with what I saw in the first four games, and there were frustrating elements of the Georgia game (i.e. five possessions in the first half with no punts, but only 6 points), but I think this was a great win and has to be a valuable experience going in to the Florida game.
I would suspect the team came out of Athens knowing a few things:
- Both offensively and defensively, they can get the job done. But completeness is really important. Capitalize on your opportunities (we might have had a 24-point first half or more) and know there’s no let-up on defense (not that they let up … just that plays and points can come anytime and any way).
- You’re as tough as anybody. A.J. Green getting that TD pass with a minute or so to go is supposed to be how these things end. He’s a great player and he wins games like that. The kick-return team and Holliday didn’t give into it, and neither did Scott and the o-line.
- Yeah, we just win. If that’s dissatisfying against Washington, MSU and Vandy, that ain’t the case with Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss and Arkansas (maybe). “You guys are winners … go win this” will carry a lot of weight going forward.
Nothing would have ended the “overrated” thing this week. If we would have blown out Georgia, it would have been because Georgia was exposed as a fraud. Lose, of course, and LSU is a fraud no matter how the game might have been played.
I feel much better going in to Florida than I expected to last Sunday night, that’s for sure. I didn’t like everything I saw in Athens yesterday, but there was a lot to like.
I think "It's a meme" is a good way of describing it
There’s this oft-repeated national perception (that squeaks onto ATVS from time to time) that Les Miles isn’t really a good coach but just happens to win a lot of games due to some combination of sheer bravado and luck. And it’s been repeated this year to dismiss LSU’s victories — they aren’t that good, they’re lucking into wins because Miles has titanium testicles inside his brain!
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 5, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I've watched LSU critically
because I’m an Ole Miss blogger. Watching LSU critically is one of my jobs. But, I was at this game. One thing I noted was the strength of the rushing attack. If you get consistent yards on the ground next week, it’ll be close (and nobody ever wants it close when they’re in Baton Rouge).
It’s tough now to say that LSU is overrated. But, I don’t think they’ve shown themselves to be in a class with Alabama, Florida, and Texas. The Tigers are a talented team who have overcome some flaws/gotten a little lucky.
The penalty can’t be blamed for the win. It certainly contributed to the touchdown, but after Georgia’s first half, they never should have been in the game in the fourth quarter anyway.
Oh, an an LSU fan threw up in the stands in front of me. The kind of passed-out throw up where you never even regain consciousness. I just felt the need to report that. Carry on.
Destroying your traditions since [YEAR REDACTED].
Only one fan threw up in the stands by you?
Clearly we are losing our edge as a fan base.
by TheBobLoblawBlog on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Top 3
I don’t think anyone is claiming LSU deserves to be in that top 3, for the record. But I think you’re on the money.
And if we want to talk about the penalty, you need to point out that LSU was flagged for the same exact thing less than 30 seconds later in game time AND mention the no flag for intentinal grounding. Blaming the refs sends UGa fans down a rabbit hole they don’t want to go down.
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Don't forget
the fumble that wasn’t a fumble by Shephard that they didn’t review which put us back 3 yards…3 yards that became important on that 4th & 1 we didn’t convert in the 1st half.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
Am I the only one who thinks Green clearly committed offensive PI on the touchdown?
It really seemed to me that he held Hawkins down. I’m not really surprised at the no-call in that situation but I at least thought it would be something that would be discussed.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 5, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
I thought it was a clean and amazing catch. There certainly wasn’t more contact than when Peterson knocked a sure touchdown away from Green earlier in the game. He elevated over Hawkins and reached out in front of him to grab the ball away.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
Actually
While I didn’t think there was PI on the TD catch, I do think he pushed off of Peterson on one of his early catches. Not that they ever call that either. Once again, it was a pretty lousy conspiracy to get UGa.
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Fighting Tiger Football and motion sickness and Roller-Coasters .
I love Roller-Coasters, the BIGGER and SCARIER the BETTER .
I LOVE the LSU TIGERS .
I do not like the feeling of MOTION SICKNESS.
Even though I love Roller-Coasters, if I get MOTION SICKNESS while riding the Roller-Coasters I do not like to continue to ride the Roller-Coaster over and over and over again.
Watching the LSU TIGERS play football this season has made me feel like I have Motion -Sickness
from riding a Roller -Coaster, over and over and over again.
I do not like this sick feeling….. But I also feel lucky to git this far. GEAUX !
as long as we keep Keep Winning ……. I can take it …Roller-Coaster sickness TIGERS !
I for one, do not care what the media thinks.
As a matter of fact, I would rather play the underdog role all year long. We seem to do better when expectations are low.
Dud has spoken.
I agree
The polls have no impact on winning the West or the SEC championship. The only poll that matters is the one the week after the SEC Championship. If we win the SEC with 0 or 1 loss, the polls will take care of themselves. If we don’t, it didn’t matter anyway.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!

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