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Behind the Numbers: LSU v UGa

Before we put the Georgia game behind us, let's take one last look at the box score and those nasty numbers which made a difference.

156-45. LSU and Georgia's rushing yards.  LSU's rushing game has been pretty bad this season, so thoroughly dominating the ground game was a pleasant surprise.  It wasn't a great performance on the ground, it was mainly that Georgia was truly terrible at running, but for LSU to continue to have success, the team needs to be able to run the ball.  This was the first game after which I feel good about the running game.  Not great, but enough to think our ground attack is credible enough to get by.

6.  The number of sacks allowed by LSU.  In contrast to the big honkin' ZERO in the UGa column.  Yes, a lot of the sacks were the fault of Jefferson, but six sacks?  You can almost see Jefferson thinking "don't throw a pick, just eat the ball" as the rush comes in.  Once again, our staff has stressed low risk, and while that means no turnovers, it also means there will be other consequences, like an increased number of sacks allowed. 

2 for 3.  Keiland Williams had 2 rushes for 3 yards.  Just like the backup QB is the most popular guy on campus, Williams has long been a favorite of those who wish to criticize Miles and Scott.  He's a former five-star recruit who just can't seem to turn all of that talent into production.  I'm not sure what the problem is, other than his continued problems with running north-south, but he really should be more productive.  Scott's apparent demotion did not last long, but it's mainly because Williams could not take advantage of the opportunity.

5 for 6.  Georgia's third down conversions in the 3rd quarter.  Over the rest of the game, UGa went 2 for 11, but that third quarter was a total abomination.  While LSU's offense went backwards, Georgia slowly marched down the field and kept getting scoring opportunities.  The great thing is that the defense made Georgia scratch and claw for every yard.  Sure, 5/6 stinks, but even with all of those third down conversions and nearly eleven minutes of possession, Georgia ran 25 plays for 90 yards.  Even when Georgia got the touchdown early in the fourth, on a fourth down play, it was more of a relief for Georgia.  Nothing came easy for them, even during their best period of the game, and that is a credit to the LSU defense.  Even when things went bad, they kept the offense frustrated.  I just don't know what to make of an 18 play, 60 yard drive.

23 seconds.  The amount of time elapsed on the game clock from Green's touchdown catch to Scott's touchdown run.  Look, the celebration call on Green was terrible, but it did not allow LSU to march down the field in 23 seconds.  I read on a Georgia board that Scott's penalty was meaningless because the game was essentially over.  There were 46 seconds on the clock.  Twice as long as it took LSU to score a TD.  Yes, it was a bad call.  But it wasn't a disaster until Georgia failed to play defense.  The Georgia meme is that the Scott penalty was a CYA call.  Maybe it was, but Georgia had plenty of time to take advantage of the call, just like LSU did. 

133-48. LSU's advantage in return yards.  We ripped on our special teams last week, so let's give credit, LSU dominated the special teams game.  That's 85 "hidden" yards.  Butler is a great punter, and he averaged 49.1 yards per kick without an extreme outlier to distort the numbers.  But LSU had 3 returns for 44 yards, mitigating the value of those punts.  LSU only average 37.8 yards per punt, but Georgia returned those punts for precisely zero yards.  Two of those punts were inside the 20, and LSU punters had no touchbacks compared to Butler's one.  Throw in a missed field goal by Georgia, and you have a total special teams domination.  Even Georgia's one advantage, punt yards, was erased by LSU's return game.  LSU had less yards per punt but better directional punting and absolutely no returns.  Give the special teams a gold star. 

0 for 4.  LSU's red zone efficiency.  Yes, LSU kicked two field goals, so technically they were 2 for 4.  When you're in the red zone, you need touchdowns.  And on that front, LSU totally and completely failed.  Oh for four.  This game should have been over by halftime.  You cannot have four trips to the red zone and come away with a grand total of 6 points.        

5-0. The only numbers that matter right now.

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Yards for the penalty that SHOULD be blamed for UGA’s loss. The illegal formation tacked on a 5 yard penalty to the end of Holliday’s return but it also left only 3 men for LSU to block on one side of the kicker, the same side that Holliday returned it to. If UGA lined up properly, they would’ve had a better chance at stopping the return.

Beside, LSU got the same BS 15 yard penalty and was able to pin UGA on their 32 or so.

by amiznit on Oct 5, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

That was a stunningly poor decision by Georgia coaches

If you watch the replay they all bunched together then ran to the line, splitting up as they did so. The only thing I can imagine is that this was a called play with the intention to kick it to the side of the field with 7 guys, thereby pinning Holliday in.

This would also explain why they huddled then ran to the line — it was an attempt to confuse the refs. If you line up with 3 men on one side of the ball, they’ll catch it every time. Running it this way allows for the chance that the refs simply won’t notice the unbalanced line.

But apparently Walsh (or whoever the kickoff guy is) simply didn’t kick it far enough to the left.

The flip side is that we also kicked off from the 15, but UGA only returned it to about the 32. This is either great coverage by the Tigers or terrible blocking by the Dawgs, or probably a combination of both.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

K. Williams is a complete enigma

Good points on Keiland.

2 for 3. Keiland Williams had 2 rushes for 3 yards. Just like the backup QB is the most popular guy on campus, Williams has long been a favorite of those who wish to criticize Miles and Scott.

Williams has had games where he looks like the best player on the field, then sometimes he comes out and you wonder where was the guy that broke long runs the previous week. They tried to run him more in the MSU game and he could not capitalize on the opportunity. Not sure why he was not out in the Georgia game. I hope he can make a positive contribution this week.

by NOPE on Oct 5, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Am I the only one?

I think the Green penalty was HUGE. Of course Trindon’s return and the added 5 yard penalty were also HUGE. The combination of those 3 put LSU into a pass OR run situation versus pass only. Back the Tigers up 15 yards on that final drive and they’re own their own side of the 50 and play calling takes on a different look, or so it seems to me. However, It Is What It IS… BTW I do have a dog in the fight and it’s a Tiger

by Tiger6367 on Oct 5, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I think too much has been made of the Green penalty. I fail to see how it is all that different from the Scott penalty. The only difference, really, is that Georgia LET it be important. Yes, it was a horrible call. No, I don’t think it mattered all that much.

If there is a referee conspiracy to spite UGa, why doesn’t LSU get the safety? Why do we get two pretty awful spots in critical situations? Why do the refs not flag Green for PI? Why do they not review the Shepard fumble? I mean, if the refs were out to get Georgia, they really went about it in a lousy way. There were plenty of game-changing, important calls that went Georgia’s way. (Note: I am not saying these calls should have been made, I’m just saying, there were close calls that benefited Georgia)

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by Poseur on Oct 5, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love this sight. As a Senile Citizen it was only last year that I discovered what a blog was, thanks to my daughter, a UGA grad. BTW, She’s still not speaking to me. I wasn’t trying to compare the penalties or even penalties in general. I was trying to make the point, and not to successfully I admit, that the Green penalty coupled with the return + 5 yards put LSU in the best possible position to tie or win the game without having to put the ball in the air. Who can say what would have happened without the penalty… No one. This was just one Old Tiger’s point of view. Did I mention I love this sight?

by Tiger6367 on Oct 5, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome

Hey, we appreciate it. Especially from old dudes. I’m still trying to get my mom to figure these blog things out, I just forward her stuff when I ended up on espn.com, she knew what that was.

And you are absolutely right about one thing: there is no telling what happens without that penalty. Every event in a football game affects future events, which makes the "what if" game such a fool’s errand. If Green isn’t flagged, there’s no way to say that Holliday busts a big return. This goes back to my point – it’s not the break, it’s how a team reacts to the break. There’s a reason we’re not writing about intentional grounding this week.

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by Poseur on Oct 5, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The intentional grounding non-call led to one of the estimated 8 strokes I suffered on Saturday

Even if it didn’t affect the outcome of the game, it certainly affected my long term health.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 5, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am I missing something on the intentional grounding no call?

UGA had an eligible reciever clearly in the vicinity of the throw. Why do we keep harping on this? The correct call was made, and it wasn’t close.

by LSU Jonno on Oct 5, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

also...

the replay shows that cox was outside the tackle box. Barely, but he was.

by Zandor435 on Oct 5, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I thought it sailed right over the Fullback’s head…I didn’t think it was grounding at ALL. Glad someone else noticed and I’m not on crazy pills. Or if I am on crazy pills, I’m not alone.

by GeauxTigers on Oct 5, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ref conspiracy

I think Cox was in the tackle box, but it was, eh, close enough to a receiver though it is an open question whether the ball reached the line of scrimmage. However, the point was not grounding should have been called, but that if the refs were out to get UGa, they certainly would have called that close play grounding.

Refs hate calling a safety.

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by Poseur on Oct 5, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Refs hate calling a safety."

I think this is the real issue. And it’s not limited to the UGA game. Referees almost always give the benefit of the doubt to the runner getting out of the end zone. And they won’t call any but the most egregious penalty in the end zone.

The rule is that if any part of the ball is over any part of the goal line when the runner is down, it’s a safety. If the ENTIRE ball is not ENTIRELY out of the end zone, it should be 2. But refs IMO tend to call it the other way – unless the entire ball is entirely in the end zone, they will not call a safety. Whatever. Let’s hope we don’t need safeties to beat Florida.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 5, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't see a receiver anywhere near the ball

But I haven’t watched a replay so I’m just going with what I saw at the time. Which certainly could be wrong

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 5, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next week's game does not matter

If you really think about it next week’s game is actually meaningless in terms of the national title. Both teams can afford a loss and still play for the national title. The only way a loss would be devastating is if one team gets blown out but that might not be enough.

If Florida loses a close game and runs the table and beats an undefeated Alabama or LSU team they are in. If LSU loses and runs the table and beats Florida in the SEC championship game they are in. The fact is USC or any one loss team is not going to jump a 1 loss SEC team.

You guys only need to avoid a blow out and you can still play your way back in because as of right now it looks the SEC champ is going to play for the national title barring the champion has two losses or more.

For all the hype about the game, it is not an elimination game in the SEC race nor the National Championship game.

There was a firefight!!!!

by ThePhenomenon on Oct 5, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree sort of

I hate to ever say that a game isn’t important, but I think you make good points. Hopefully our guys will play loose. I definitely want to win this one, but I think the guys can overcome it even if we don’t come out w/ a W.

by Zandor435 on Oct 5, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is...

Beating Florida helps us out a lot in the rest of the SEC race. And leaves our possible one loss for Ole Miss, AU, or Bama.

by Nearl on Oct 5, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm confused...

Before the UGA win Les was on his way out of town and now a week later we’re looking at one loss SEC schedule. Hmmmm

by Tiger6367 on Oct 5, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I think a number of us were quite defensive of Miles on here last week

I haven’t paid attention to every comment, but I don’t think anyone here was calling for him to go. See here for instance:

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2009/9/28/1059807/what-if-we-beat-uga

Other message boards, certainly. Not so much here.

by GeauxTigers on Oct 5, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm confused by the brouhaha about the Green penalty

UGA fans are acting like we wouldn’t have gotten a TD out of it, but all we needed was a field goal anyway. So we’re starting at our own 49 instead of their 36, and we only need 20 yards to get into game-winning FG range. Given we’d just marched 89 yards down the field on the prior drive to score a TD, I am inclined to believe we’d have gotten those 20 yards without too much question. Especially considering we got all 36 yards anyway…what am I missing here?

Also – Poseur’s point is a great one that we had all the odds stacked against US and our guys deserve credit for still finding a way to win it. UGA was playing at home with a raucous crowd and still folded on those last 2 TD drives we made. I’m sorry, but we proved convincingly on Saturday that we’re better than the Georgia Bulldogs. (And I don’t care if they were overrated or not.)

by GeauxTigers on Oct 5, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

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