Florida Preview
I'm going to just come out and say it. We don't need to win this game. A win would be a big boon to the team's psyche. It would put us firmly in the media spotlight and make people talk about us as a true national championship contender, but we in no way, shape, or form need to win this game. Win or lose, we control our destiny in the SEC West race. We will win the West if we win out after Florida, and we probably need to win out regardless of what happens this week. We are generally expected to lose, and our press reports suck out loud already, so unless we get blown out we aren't going to suffer in the media. All that combines to tell me that this is probably the least important game on our schedule.
On the other hand, a win sure would be great. A loss represents only a lost opportunity for a win, rather than a genuinely damaging result for the team. It's rare you can say that about a game, but this is one of those. We can come out and play a game against a good opponent with really no pressure on us to actually win. That's what the win against Georgia did for us. It gave us license to go into the Florida game loose, playing like a team with nothing to lose and everything to gain, because this time it is true.
Also, we hate to make predictions here, but let me break from type just for one paragraph. I predict that Tim Tebow is not playing against us. Everything I know about concussions, and everything I saw about the hit Tebow took against Kentucky tells me that it is simply unrealistic for him to even think about returning this week. Next week is probably unlikely as well. I wouldn't expect him back before the October 24 game against Mississippi State. Any sooner than that, and Tebow would risk doing substantial, permanent damage to his brain. Nothing in the world is worth that.
This means one thing when it comes to previewing Florida. We know very little about what we're going to see when Florida has the ball. It would be incorrect to say that Florida has been a one-man offense; they have good players sprinkled throughout their offensive lineup, but everything about the Florida offense for the last 2 1/2 years has revolved around Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow throws. Tim Tebow runs. Tim Tebow executes the option. Everything is either Tim Tebow taking the ball himself, or Tim Tebow deciding what to do with it. The plays in which Tim Tebow is called upon to simply give the ball to someone else without having to make a decision about it first has probably accounted for less than 25% of Florida's plays in meaningful situations since Tebow became their starting quarterback. Since the loss of Percy Harvin to the NFL, it has probably been more. If he is really out, and I would be shocked if he isn't, the entire character of the Florida offense will have to change to accommodate a quarterback with a completely different skill-set.
What of John Brantley? He has completed 73% of his passes this year, with a 7.73 yard average per attempt, 4 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, and 44 yards rushing in 10 attempts. Certainly admirable statistics for a backup quarterback, but most of those stats were accumulated against Charleston Southern and Troy. It is not like he has faced an opponent on the level of an LSU yet. What's more, he will have to do it with a receiver corps that is coming under fire for not making enough plays, even with Tim Tebow throwing to them.
To take nothing away from John Brantley, who is a promising young quarterback in his own right, the Tebow-less Florida offense is an offense that can be stopped if we play up to our ability, especially if we can discover a pass rush. There is not a traditional running back, as pint sized speedsters Jeffrey Demps and Chris Rainey are 1st and 3rd on the team in rushing yards, respectively, with Tebow sandwiched between them. Tebow is their power back, a role that would have to be taken up by Emmanuel Moody, which will make Florida's offense highly dependent on personnel groupings and rob Florida of the unpredictability that they have used to advantage in the past.
Let's be clear. The Florida offense without Tim Tebow is still dangerous. There is still a very good offensive line there, and fast running backs, and Aaron Hernandez, and Riley Cooper, but Tim Tebow is not called arguably the best college football player in a generation because he's so easily replaced. So you can throw Florida's #1 rated scoring offense and #1 rated total offense out the window and officially say that we don't know how good this offense will be.
The defense, however? Tim Tebow had no effect on that defense, at least not directly, and it's the #1 rated scoring defense and #1 rated total defense too. Then again, they've done it against arguably the weakest competition any SEC team has faced so far. Charleston Southern, Troy, a Tennessee team that appeared only interested in beating the point spread, and Kentucky. That is far from a murderer's row to start the season, and I feel OK saying that LSU is a lot better than any of those teams, despite our well-documented problems.
But make no mistake, there are some outstanding players on that defense, starting with middle linebacker Brandon Spikes. Of course, we remember him from his interceptions last year. Their secondary, which was so young two years ago, is now filled with fully developed NFL prospects like Joe Haden, Janoris Jenkins, and Ahmad Black, which has led to the Gators having the #1 pass defense and the #1 pass efficiency defense in the conference.
If there is a weakness there, you can consider that, like LSU, Florida is not getting the sacks on the quarterback. We're giving them up, and Florida's not getting them, so something has to break there. Then again, Florida is getting almost twice as many sacks per game as we are: 1.75 per game vs. 1 per game.
So strangely enough, the #1 team in the country and defending national champion comes to Baton Rouge as a bit of a mystery. We don't officially know if their All-American quarterback is playing, though we can make an educated guess that he isn't. Without him, we're not sure what kind of a team they bring onto the field when they have the ball. On defense, they are certainly very good, but it's hard to say with any confidence that they are great. We will have to see, but whatever happens, the season continues on with full confidence. I could not have said the same thing last week.
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a couple of questions
How much of last week’s performance against UGA do you think was emotion? Our guys were much maligned from the previous week, and they certainly looked different than they have all week.
Do you expect our LB’s to hit like they did in the UGA game? Do you think we play more nickel packages to account for james and co?
Emotions
If you attribute last week’s improved play to emotion, then I think you can count on more improvement this week.
I'm not so sure
Richard makes a great point that there’s not a lot riding on this game. This could be a letdown game after a big emotional win.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
I think what he means is
A loss here wouldn’t be seen as some bellwether of the state of the program the way some people viewed the Georgia game. But I seriously doubt that the players see it that way, because they probably didn’t think that way about the Georgia game either. Even if the team doesn’t necessarily play well, I doubt it will be because of an emotional letdown.
by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather a win
I’ll be honest. I think a win would go a long way towards silencing the glass is half empty attitudes to this team. The Tigers haven’t gone 5-0 by chance. If Brantley starts and UF falls to LSU, then certainly people in the media will use that as an excuse as to why UF lost in that hypothetical scenario. That would be fine in my book. The more experts underestimate us, the sweeter winning becomes.
So the Tigers haven’t been blowing out their opponents in the SEC? Who cares? The games have been a bit nerve wracking, but the W matters at the end of the day. There are a lot of teams that would love to have perfect records right now that don’t have them. There comes a point when you have to stop saying they got lucky and simply say they’re doing what it takes to win even if they’re not blowing out opponents.
So I say that a win is important in this case. I’d rather see the Tigers 6-0 than 5-1 when it’s all said and done.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Watch out for Brantley
He’s never seriously practiced with the number offense until last week. By game time, he will be very comfortable and have had plenty of preparation for you guys.
About the noise thing – Tiger Stadium isn’t as loud as the Swamp. I’ve been to Baton Rouge for many Bama and Florida games over the past 30+ years.
He and we will be fine.
That said, why do I feel like I’m whistling past the graveyard?
by 1974gator on Oct 6, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure Brantley will be well-prepared...
…but there’s no record of him facing any adversity in college. He’s only mopped up after big wins.
Regarding the “loudness” issue….Not going to get in a pissing contest as to which stadium generates the most noise. However, playing an undefeated LSU team at night that continues to receive zero respect from the media may be a recipe for a trauma inducing moment for your untested quarterback.
About the "adversity"
Noise rattles the inexperienced player, JB has heard worse then what you have. Even unproven, he’s is ready to ‘traumatize’ this LSU team.
Our D-line is bigger and faster then UGA’s, our D-backs are much superior to UGA’s and our O-line run/pass blocks better then UGA’s. There won’t be a bunch of 3 and outs for the first 3 qrtrs and there won’t be a 4th qrtr defensive meltdown on the opponent’s side of the line this week. Taking FGs instead of scoring TDs won’t cut it for you guys.
I’ll be here Monday, come rain or shine, to discuss it.
Even unproven, he’s is ready to ‘traumatize’ this LSU team.
Looking forward to seeing him try….
our O-line run/pass blocks better then UGA’s.
Perhaps, but Georgia doesn’t leave their QB’s blind side completely unprotected…
Georgia doesn’t leave their QB’s blind side completely unprotected
Tebow’s blind side is the RT’s responsibility.
Yeah DV is so easy a caveman can do it..
look there is a reason your offense has had to go over hand signs for their play calls and audibles. Also being on the sideline and in the middle of the field is a different experience, if it wasn’t, you, me, and any other follower would know what it feels like. This will be his most harrowing experience on an opposing field.
Wow....
Death Valley, the most hostile stadium in the country. At night. Yep, that compares to a kid getting his first start (not to mention ROAD start) instead of the swamp crowd politely cheering as he comes on for mop up duty.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 7, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Clemson's "Death Valley" stadium
Clemson’s stadium is Death Valley. Yours is nothing but a Swamp wannabe. Bring it on.
I'm not a Tiger
of any variety…And, I’ll let others debate the relative merits of which Valley presents more of a threat for imminent bodily harm. But, I’ll give you hint which one I think poses more of a problem (pssst, the one that sets of seismographs)

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 8, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
This post made me feel even better about LSU's chances
Watch out for Brantley. He’s never seriously practiced with the number offense until last week.
Tiger Bait.
RE: "Watch out for Brantley. He’s never seriously practiced with the number offense until last week."
I guess I have to explain…..JB’s a good QB, soon to be great. This year’s stats (very impressive) reflect his work with the second team. His practicing and working with the first team over the past two weeks can only make him more dangerous for you guys. Last month Kirk Herbstreit was asked who he thought the top three QB’s in the SEC were. He said Tebow, Snead and Brantley. Yeah, we will miss a healthy Tebow but with JB in, it will not be a significant step back.
As we like to say down here, we’re coming to La. and Mike is Gator Bait!
I've heard a lot of talk over the years about how great
a great quarterback’s backup was, if only he could get a chance. It almost never works out as well as you hope.
Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.
by Richard Pittman on Oct 6, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
"It almost never works out as well as you hope".
Well, JB is our starting QB next year (no question, unless we sign an OMG and even then Meyer will probably only work him in with a custom set of plays first year) and Urban has ALWAYS had phenomenal play from his QBs (at Utah and Bowling Green too). I like my chances that it WILL work out.
Which shows you what he knows
So far, Tebow, Mallett and McElroy have been the best SEC quarterbacks.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
If I were Brantley
and someone compared me to Snead, I don’t think I’d take that as a compliment.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 7, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The game will not make or break the season
But is absolutely huge in national perception. Primetime, big national tv audience, home game at night. A big win over Florida in Death Valley in front of a big national audience will repair any damage the debacle of last season did to the national perception of the LSU program. The media buzz of the game alone should prevent the team from a emotional letdown. They might be a bit rundown from a stretch of tough games though. Florida has an advantage there with the BYE. It will be an electric environment and a difficult environment for a new QB to make his first SEC start regardless of their talent level.
Jesus people.
Can we stop doing this? The first time on Tebow was hillarious. But then we did it to like Stafford, and even freaking Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson. Give me a break. This is played out, and getting a little embarrassing.
As long as the texts aren't threatening harm,
I don’t have a problem with it. The reaction I’ve seen from Brantley and some of the other Gators indicates that they’re taking it as good sports. It’s not much different than Tiger Baiting them or the kidnapping mascots pranks Army and Navy used to pull on each other.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
So as long as nobody threatens to kill you...
You wouldn’t mind 5000 text messages that would run you 10 cents per text? What if these guys don’t have unlimited text plans?
there are college students
that don’t have unlimited text messaging?
Haha that's what I was thinking
I think it’s pretty dang funny actually. I wonder how they keep getting the #’s?
I'm nervous about all the LSU fans saying "this game doesn't really matter"
It’s like people feel a loss is inevitable and they’re bracing themselves.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 6, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
Actually, I'm starting to agree with Richard
that it might make the team really loose. If there’s no real ramifications from a loss, the coaching staff may open up the playbook and let Jefferson & company play.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
Who the hell is saying that?
People just don’t think that this game could somehow trigger the downward spiral of the program the way they did about Georgia.
What that should tell you is that it was retarded to think that about the Georgia game as well.
If Tebow doesn't play
you are right that no one knows what the offense will look like. But they’ve had two weeks to consider the options, so I don’t think we’re going to come out firing blindly. Don’t assume the running back assignments as set in stone as that, either. Rainey, for some unknown reason, has been getting the call on 3rd and 1 and similar situations. Moody is much better at it, but the coaches prefer Rainey. Go figure.
However, as a Gator, I expect Tebow to play. He might not start, but I’m pretty sure he will play in some capacity. Perhaps like 2006 (I know you guys remember that game).
The one key stat you miss about our defense is actually two stats. #9 in the country last year, and the entire two-deep returning. This defense has proven itself against much stiffer competition than CSU, Troy, UT, and UK. They have looked much better in the secondary, but the pass rush is off and the run D has had shaky moments (overall, excellent, though).
Most Gator fans expect this to be the best Gator D of all time, for what it’s worth, and considering how dominant that 2006 team was, that’s saying something.
Whatever alternative offensive options Florida comes up with
It will not be anywhere near as good as the offense that Tebow has been successully running for the last two years. There might be alot of unexpected new wrinkles in the Florida offense, but ultimately Florida roll players will be forced to take on bigger roles in the offense and execute them in a extremely hostile environment for the first time ever. That is an advantage for LSU any which way you want to look at it.
In the long run, you don't need it.
If LSU goes 11-1. What would be the preferable one loss (as if there were a preferable loss)? To Alabama, and miss out on the SECCG, or to UF, and get a chance for A) revenge, B) the SECC and C) maybe the MNC. This is a nice one to have, but not necessary for all of the season’s goals.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think we need to underestimate Florida.
As much as I want to see LSU win this game, I at the same time am realistic. Do not by any means underestimate your opponent. We honestly got lucky against both Miss St. and Georgia. I am not comfortable with the way we are barely getting by. Don’t get me wrong, I am extremely grateful that we are 5-0, but honestly up to this point, we really have not played like a top ten team and especially not a time 5 team. LSU is loaded with talent, but what gets me is they play sporadically which is not going to cut it against the number one team in the nation. Even without Tebow, Florida will very much be a force to contend with. They didn’t get to number 1 by chance. They are the best team up to this point and irregardless of who they have played this year, they have blown them out of the water. If LSU comes out with all cylinders working together, we have a good chance to possibly win this game, but if we show up playing like we have all year, we could very easily another one of Florida’s blowouts. I’m not one to forget what they did to us last year and respectfully a good many of their players who was a part of that onslaught last year are on their team this year. I most definitely want LSU to win this game, but I am also realistic that we are going to have to play our best ball by far this year to pull this one out or to even stay in it. Do not make the mistake of underestimating Florida with or without Tebow. He’s as good as there is out there, but he’s only one player and their team is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. It will take the best we have to stay in this game, much less win it. Just my two cents worth. Let’s keep it real, but let’s hope for a win.
Back in the real world...
Well, I don’t know what’s being said in the LSU locker room, but I’m pretty sure it’s NOT something along the lines of this game being a mulligan, dismissing the possibility of a loss to Florida as no big deal because we can run the table after it and win the SEC West. A team with that mind set going into the game is setting itself up for failure.
I realize Pittman isn’t saying that’s the outlook we or the players ought to have. But while his point is logical, it’s an academic point (and college football has nothing to do with academics!).
If our players aren’t Jonesing for a win this week, then the whole team is FUBAR. An overwhelming number of the players on the field know what it’s like to win a national championship and lots of them also know what it’s like to fail to defend it. And don’t think for a minute our guys don’t remember that Meyer ran up the score against us last year—leaving Tebow in the game to throw passes deep in our territory late in the 4th quarter with a 20 point lead.
Down with Florida!
Funny
No one was picking LSU to beat Georgia. The media generally was negative about the win. However, the national media appear to be picking LSU to beat Florida, with or without Tebow. It just seems funny.
What national media?
Not trying to start anything, but I have been searching for predictions by national people, and all I can find is CFN, who have the Gators 26 to 16.
by Giant Catfish on Oct 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Have to agree that this isn't the most important game of the rest of the season
with high-powered, hungry Auburn team on deck, and @ Bama (who, like UF, will have the luxury of a bye week before playing us), and @ Ole Miss, and Arkansas still to come. We really need to sweep all four to win the West and get a rematch vs UF. 3-1 just might do it, but the only one we can afford to lose to would be Arkansas. Don’t see Bama losing 3 SEC games, that’s for sure.
If we keep the UF game respectable, it’s still a win for the team, even without the “W”. What I’m worried about is if the game gets away like last year; the negative effects can snowball quickly with a very difficult slate of games still to come. Hence, last year.
A “W” Saturday, on the other hand, just might propel the team’s confidence to a point they want to win more than just the West, more than just the SEC…

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