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Rethinking Florida

Earlier this week, I told you that the Florida game hardly matters.  I believe that to be true, assuming Tim Tebow does not play.  Rumors are swirling, however, that he may play, fueled in no small part by the fact that he's been spotted at practice in pads.  If Tebow plays, the game matters.  Let me explain.

Can we all agree there are two different Tim Tebows?  There's the real, live, flesh and blood Tim Tebow, and then there is the Legend of Tim Tebow.  These two people are similar, but not identical.  Well, if Tebow returns on Saturday and plays against LSU, it will have a effect on the real Tim Tebow, but it will have a bigger effect on the Legend of Tim Tebow.

Did you know that Tim Tebow used to be a miner and he went head-to-head with a machine in a steel-driving contest?  He beat the machine, but unlike in a certain similar legend, the effort did not kill him.  It just made him hungry and he ate the machine.

Anyway, no one wants a legend to be built against them.  If Tim Tebow plays, then the game means something.  It will mean that it will be LSU trying to stave off the Legend of Tim Tebow.  The LSU Tigers, in particular the LSU defense, will have intense motivation to prevent this from becoming the famous "Tim Tebow returns early from a concussion and leads his team to a big victory over a Top 5 team" game that is remembered for generations.

Anyway, after the jump I will give further thoughts in pictorial form.

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Did someone say something about legends?  Willis Reed returned from an ankle injury to play in a playoff game.  He was only on the court for a few minutes, but the legend lives on.

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But there are counterexamples.  Eric Lindros was supposed to be the next great hockey player.  He was the subject of a bidding war when he told the press he would refuse to play for the Quebec Nordiques, who held the first pick in the 1991 draft, and demanded a trade.  He ended up with Philadelphia, where he was a superstar player early in his career, well on his way to legendary status.  He was big, strong, skilled, and the meanest SOB in the league.  Other teams feared going against him.  He won league MVP in 1995 and led his team to the Stanley Cup Finals in 1997.

Then in 1998 he suffered his first concussion.  Several more followed quickly on the heels of that one, and in one occasion he came back way too early from a concussion only to suffer another concussion in his first game back.  In the next several years, his production steadily declined.  In all, he suffered 8 concussions that have been documented.  He recently retired, quietly.  The man who was well on his way to being the next great hockey player never won a Stanley Cup and is now only debatably a candidate for the hockey Hall of Fame, and only because of how his career went before his concussions started piling up.

The good thing is that, in part because of the example of Eric Lindros, concussions are taken much more seriously these days.  Lindros had the misfortune of having a general manager who thought that Lindros's propensity for concussions and unwillingness to play through them was just because he was insufficiently tough.  If only he tried harder, he could do it, Flyers GM Bobby Clarke thought.  Clarke prided himself on being a man's man, a former NHL tough guy himself, he reportedly considered a concussion to be little more than a bad headache.  Bobby Clarke applied the pressure to Lindros and it damaged his career, both of their careers really.  I don't think anyone thinks of Bobby Clarke the same way anymore either.

What does all this mean for Tim Tebow?  It means you do not screw around with a concussion.  Fortunately, I don't think Urban Meyer is Bobby Clarke, but I know Tebow is the kind of guy who will want to rush his way back, to be Willis Reed.  

LSU is going to do its best to make sure he is not Willis Reed.  Not that they want him to be Eric Lindros, but everyone who steps onto a football field and plays a snap takes a chance on being hit very hard and being hurt very badly.  I hope no one actually tries to injure anyone, but the risk of injury is pervasive through the game.  Any time the ball is put in play, there will be violent collisions between the players.  It is a fact of the football life.  No one is going to take it easy on anyone.  

If Tebow comes back for the LSU game, the stakes go up, not because of any impact in the standings, but because everyone will know they're playing in a special game: the Tim Tebow Returns Really Quickly From a Concussion game.  Personally, I hope that game does not happen, at least not this Saturday, but I sure will be hoping that LSU spoils the party if it does.

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Quibbles with your examples

I agree overall, but I’m just going to disagree slightly with your examples.

WILLIS REED. Quick, name who the opponent was. No peeking. I’ll be honest, I’ve heard the Legend of Willis Reed and have no earthly idea who the other team was. Having the legend formed against you isn’t THAT big of a deal. Unless you are Craig Elho.

ERIC LINDROS. Yes, his coach pushed him too fast, but Lindros was also completely reckless and didn’t take his own injury seriously either. Why else would he enter the Devils zone with Scott Stevens, one of the most ferocious hitters in hockey history, waiting for him with A) his head down and B) his chin strap not securely fastened. It’s hard to take his concussions seriously when Lindros himself didn’t take basic precautions to prevent further injury.

By the way, Stevens hit Lindros so hard that I thought Lindros was gonna die.

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by Poseur on Oct 8, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sports I don't follow

The NBA. Golf. Auto racing. Boxing.

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by Poseur on Oct 8, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not an exclusive list

There are other sports I do not follow, like curling for instance. And the WNBA is just part of the NBA. It’s like not following the NBA but following the D League. It doesn’t happen.

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by Poseur on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

curling rocks..

I love to watch curling on TV.

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by Richard Pittman on Oct 8, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is safe to assume Tebow will not play

I think Meyer will try to use the national stage to display that Florida will still be a national force post Tebow next season. I think there is a chance Tebow might come out and hand it off a couple of times, but I just don’t see Florida risking the rest of the season and potentially Tebow’s health to win this game. Tebow’s physical running is what sets him apart from any other QB to play the position. No other QB has been able to endure the power running duties while also throwing the ball. Florida will have to find a new way to gain tough yards in short yardage situations.

by NOPE on Oct 8, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Richard

This is a funny post. Some buddies and I were emailing back and forth yesterday and I typed this exact phrase:

Just to get everyone ready though, if Tebow plays, and wins LSU will be on the wrong side of Tebow highlights for the rest of our lives. We are talking Billy Cannon Halloween run type highlights.

So naturally, I definitely agree. The Tebow is Superman legend will grow enormously. I don’t want to be watching an LSU-Florida game with my grandson in 40 years on ESPN 8 (“The Ocho”) and them show Tebow’s courageous performance against the Tigers.

Good story on Eric Lindros. My entire knowledge of Eric Lindros is the following: He was the only player on NHL ’96 for Super Nintendo who was rated a 99, and if you traded him to the Dallas Stars you were unbeatable.

by LSU Jonno on Oct 8, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Effin’ A, Cotton

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Oct 8, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

overanalysis

I think we’ve been missing the point all week. If you’re wondering if this game is meaningful or important, stop. You might as well wonder if the pope is Catholic.

Bluntly stated, this game is huge for us because of these reasons:
1) We enter the game 5-0 (3-0).
2) It’s a rivalry game. We play every year, and both teams have been really, really good this decade. Check the list of SEC and National Champs.
3) Who’s coming to Tiger Stadium? The #1 team in the land, the defending national champions, the team that ran up the score on us last year, when we were defending national champs.

The cult of Tebow is a distraction. (I think the decision has already been made, but Meyer is playing psy-ops by having him dress for practice and calling him a game-time decision. It’s just to keep our team guessing.)

They could have PeeWee Herman under center and it would still be a big game.

by uberschuck on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to go into this later

But people need to realize — Florida’s offense is Florida’s offense, regardless of who the QB is. You have to apply the same principles to stop it either way, so preparation isn’t necessarily all that different. Execution may be (i.e., tackling Tebow versus tackling Brantley) different, but not in a way you can really practice for.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 8, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree William

No way Florida gives the ball to Brantly to run for it on third and 2. They will have to give to somebody else on fourth down. The key to the Florida offense is Tebows running, and its really the only part of the offense they have been able to count on this season. The WR and perimeter guys have not impressed. LSUs been pretty solid on the perimeter this season. Brantley is not as much of a threat on the ground.

by NOPE on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really

You defend Florida’s offense inside — out. The inside dive has to be your first focus over the quarterback keep or Demps/Rainey will slaughter you. That’s how every defense that has slowed them down has done it. You defend option plays with assignment football — those assignments don’t change because of a different quarterback. The defenders who have them may change, but the assignments themselves don’t.

Again, I’ll go into further detail on this tomorrow.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 8, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a great writeup

by Chris Brown at Doc Saturday’s on the similarities and differences we might see in Florida’s offense if Tebow doesn’t play.

CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!

by The Bengal on Oct 8, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It echos my point. Yeah, Florida may throw the ball more, but its going to be with the same principles LSU is already preparing for. Or should be preparing for anyway.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 8, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would not be very smart for Tebow to play this soon after a concusion.

Should he get hurt again this early on, it would be putting his whole career at jeopardy. If it was me and I had it happen to me, I would tell the coach, thanks but no thanks, but that’s just me. A game is a game, win or lose, there’s always another day, another game, another year, but careers are made and broken daily. It would be a shame to see something happen to Tebow where he could no longer play football. I am an avid LSU Tiger fan, but at the same time, I don’t want to see anyone get hurt or put themselves at risk for the sake of a game. It’s just not worth it.

by dsrimages on Oct 8, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly
A game is a game, win or lose, there’s always another day, another game, another year,

This is why you and I aren’t an SEC QB. What makes a guy like Tebow so good is that he thinks every game is life and death.

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by Poseur on Oct 8, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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