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What of the LSU Offense?

A few days ago, I read this at Roll Bama Roll:

The more I watch of the LSU offense, the more I think that it is really just too complicated for its own good. It can certainly create some issues for defenses, mind you, but it certainly does create a lot issues for the offense, too, and that was the big catalyst behind all of the false starts, the illegal formations, and the wasted timeouts. With all of the talent that those guys have, I really just cannot help but think that they would be better served just by simplifying the offense and letting all of the raw talent just go to work for them.

We've kind of flirted with this idea ourselves a couple of times over the years.  It's time to stop flirting with the idea and start being its steady boyfriend.*  

*This assumes that ideas are feminine, but it seemed more right than to say we would be its steady girlfriend. 

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Let's just come right out and say it.  LSU's offensive system is an incoherent mess, and has been for a while.  We have incorporated parts of the spread, parts of the Air Raid, parts of the Nevada pistol, the standard I-formation, power football, the "check with me", and even the wildcat.  Heck there are probably elements I'm forgetting, or even elements I haven't recognized yet.  Our offense is trying to be all things to all people, and as a result I do not think we do any of it particularly well.

It's time to clean out the fridge.  There are a lot of moldy, half-eaten leftovers in there that need to go into the garbage, leaving room for all of the fresh, healthy foods to stay.  I think of all the things we may have learned this season, this is the one that Les Miles will need to concentrate on correcting this year.  Miles did a great job of correcting last year's problems, but the problems on defense were so vast and obvious that they masked the problems with our offensive system.  A lot of people believed the problems on offense were limited to turnovers, and that was certainly a problem, but it's time to recognize more systemic problems on that side of the ball.

Let's start with the pistol formation.  Nevada uses it every play.  We use a handful of times per game.  It's usually a straight handoff, a play action pass, or an option.  The last time I remember it generating a big play was against Virginia Tech in 2007 when Keiland Williams took that option to the house.  Youtube to follow:

Because we have not done much of anything with it since then, I think we could scrap that particular formation entirely without losing anything.  And what would we gain?  The center and quarterback wouldn't have to concentrate on a 3rd form of exchange beyond the standard under-center exchange and the shotgun.  The running back would not have to learn an extra way of taking a handoff or the timing of an extra kind of run.  The quarterback would not have to become accustomed to his drops and reads out of the formation.

I'm not saying that LSU should scrap Crowton.  I'm not even saying that Crowton should throw away his play book.  I think, however, that in every offseason (say between Spring Drills and Fall Drills), Crowton needs to sit down and figure out what parts of his massive playbook does he have the personnel to run the most effectively.  He should then show his results to Les Miles, who should then arbitrarily cut down Crowton's selections in half.

For example, this year I think we have the personnel to run single-back sets, shotguns, 1- or 2-tight end sets, and 3-wide receiver sets.  We have not shown much ability to run I-formation because we do not have the fullback.  We are not a 5-wide receiver team because we don't have 5 wide receivers who are really good.  This team could have cut out all the 5-wide plays, all the I-formation plays, and the pistol, and we probably would be more effective as a whole because we'd be running plays we're best-suited to run and we wouldn't be using practice time and player focus on plays we run poorly.

Next year, it may be different.  Maybe next year one of our fullbacks develops into a stud, and we go right back to I-formation, but in that case we could cut out the pistol, limit the spread, and again cut out the 5-wide plays.  Or maybe we have a ton of wide receivers who show they can produce.  Then we cut the tight end out of the picture on passing plays.  Who knows what the future will hold?

I just want the future to be simplified on offense.

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Could not agree more

This late in the season and the offense looks confused , wiping out long gains with penalties or losing a time out.

Is it time to clean house on the coaches on that side of the ball? If so, who?

by bcooper on Nov 11, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

I keep thinking about

The “decline every year after his first” thing about Crowton. Honestly I’m starting to think its time for him to go, just based on his inability to give his group a real offensive identity. There’s no reason for that in year three.

by Billy Gomila on Nov 11, 2009 8:56 AM CST reply actions  

I'm kinda..

on the fence as far as scrapping Crowton is concerned, but I agree just start throwing things out. Even the things that have had mild success, for no rhyme or reason other than absolute addition by subtraction. I am seriously visualizing myself choking the next person I see when the next option play is called (THE BOUNDARY?). And those damn 5-wide sets, AAAAHHHH. Although I disagree with the assertion that we don’t have 5 really good receivers, but for whatever reason it doesn’t work for us. I do like 4-wide sets though; I really think that is a formation that can prove explosive for us.

Formations this team should be running:

All single-back formations
All Shotgun formations
Split-back (pro-form)

That’s IT.

At the end of the day

by Mikeno on Nov 11, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

I thought...

I thought that when we lined up with the 4 receivers on one side of the ball that the Bama defense was going to have a seizure. We got off a nice gain to Deangelo Peterson. Unfortunately it was called back. Maybe the seizure was caused by us being lined up incorrectly but still, it could have worked.

by Tiger6367 on Nov 11, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not calling for him to get canned...

… but I wouldn’t be sad to see Crowton go. Honestly, you can’t have an offense perform at this level at any level and expect to keep your job.

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by Poseur on Nov 11, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

He's not going to go unless Miles wants him gone

With the performance of the offense this year, he’s not likely to be seriously considered for any head coaching jobs or equivalent BCS school offensive coordinator positions.

Of course, I was surprised that Malveto got positions after last year’s defensive showing, so what do I know? I do think Miles helped facilitate both of those moves, so maybe he’ll do the same for Crowton.

If he does go, Bryan Harsin from Boise is my prime candidate to replace him.

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by The Bengal on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Crazy week at work

No polling this week: BlogPoll or SEC Power Poll.

Apologies. But TCU-Utah will determine my ballot next week.

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by Poseur on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

TCU is a 17 point favorite

You expecting an upset?

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by The Bengal on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Its reminded me of the defense last year

In that it just seems like too many simple adjustments are not getting made.

by Billy Gomila on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

I made the prediction that LSU will have the best offense in the nation in 2011

And I’m sticking to it. I believe that Crowton is giving Jefferson a lot to chew because he’ll eventually master all the systems and the offense will be unstoppable. I can see him maturing and turning into a playmaker.

Patience is a virtue. This is a process. Les has a process, even if he doesn’t use it as an excuse like Saban does. Perrilloux threw us off track. Jefferson is putting us back on track.

The egg will soon hatch, and Godzilla will once again terrorize the SEC.

Just my two cents.

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by Jrlz on Nov 11, 2009 12:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I remember a great post one smartfootball.com a while back

that was on this subject, just more generally (not focusing on LSU). It argued that offenses needed to focus on doing a few things really well instead of doing a bunch of different things competently. I mainly agree with this philosophy. Apparently, Crowton does not.

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by Gregatron on Nov 11, 2009 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

SmartFootball has definitely impacted my thinking on this..

He is not really slanted in his writing, but it is clear from reading between the lines that Chris has a lot of respect for an offense that will keep things simple and do a few things really really well rather try to do a whole bunch of things. His writing on this subject is especially illuminating in looking at the Texas Tech offense, which he says is really very very simple. Only a handful of plays are run, but each one has a number of reads that a QB has to make and the wide receivers have to make, and they practice them over and over again.

I’m not looking to go to an Air Raid offense, but I think we would be well-served with some simplification.

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by Richard Pittman on Nov 11, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

He also has some great articles on other offensive systems as well

The Rich Rodriguez spread’n’shred, Urban Meyer’s spread option, Paul Johnson’s flexbone and Kevin Wilson’s Oklahoma offense. They all focus on making the defense guard the whole field, make quick decisions, and get maximum reps of a few key concepts in practice.

Reading that site is like a getting a Masters in Football Science.

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by The Bengal on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ditto

This is what I said post-Florida. Sometimes it seems like Crowton’s just throwing darts.

There’s no sense of “this is what we want to do” on offense. We’re not a run-the-ball-playaction-passing team, we’re not a west coast-type offense, we’re not spread option, we’re not a pass-first spread either really.

by Billy Gomila on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that some things need to be thrown out

But I wouldn’t blame it all on Crowton. It’s not that hard to know where to line up, you know you can only have 4 in the backfield, and you can’t be covering eligible receivers. They should be able to figure that out without practicing where to line up a million times in practice.

Also, I definitely think we should keep the 5 wide sets. Do we have 5 great receivers? Maybe not, but who does? What we DO have is Lafell and Toliver, two elite receivers, and then we can get Shepard and Holliday in, and have the 5th guy be either R.J. Jackson (who has been pretty consistently reliable) or a Richard Dickson/Deangelo Peterson. The whole point of 5 wide is to stretch the field and create mismatches, and it certainly does that. When you add in Jefferson’s scrambling ability, that formation could be impossible to stop. I haven’t done any specific looking at this, but I think we have done really well out of 5 wide sets, especially since the bye week.

by Ianoka on Nov 12, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

The line up problems began...

when Crowton arrived. They have continued for three years more or less. College players just don’t have the practice time to master all of those formations and all of the different plays being run out of them. And BTW, all of these systems we use a piece of, AirRaid, PowerI, Zone read, etc. require different blocking techniques and line split alignments. Wonder why we look like a Chinese fire drill in the O-line sometimes. Alabama ran a very basic pull/cutback run game on us successfully by simply executing better than we did. Not a lot of tricks or formations. Their players are no more talented than ours. We have an identity problem on O, and it’s really hurting us.

by pttigris on Nov 12, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is..

you end up with players focusing more on where they’re going to line up than what they’re going to do when the ball is snapped. The article above actually references this, about how the coach in question found that the more formations he introduced, the more the players had to focus on their different pre-snap assignments and getting lined up correctly than on running the play itself, and effectiveness decreased.

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by Richard Pittman on Nov 13, 2009 6:26 AM CST up reply actions  

True

But it also must be a pain the butt for defenses to prepare against, and with the athlete we have, it just takes one play. That being said, there are definitely things in our playbook that could go and not be missed.

by Ianoka on Nov 13, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

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