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Back From the Ranch

I have been gloriously cut off from the world since Wednesday, chilling out at my girlfriend's ranch in the hills of Texas.  We had a TV, so I watched the game, but I have been almost competely out of the loop for a week.  Which has given me a chance to take a step back from the team and the season.

Since I've gotten back home, I've done a cursory search online to take the temperature of the fanbase.  As a group, we are, frankly put, delusional.  Has this season been frustrating?  Absolutely.  But we set the bar at 9-3 and here we are, at 9-3.  Almost every criticism of Miles starts with some variation of this phrase, "Do not pay attention to the record."  Ummmm.... why the hell not?  If we don't judge coaches on wins and losses, what do we judge them on?  Their press conferences?  Graduation rate?  Hat size?   

LSU went 5-3 in the SEC this year, which is good but not outstanding.  Once again, Alabama has gone 8-0 in the SEC.  And that is the issue.  LSU has gone from the dominant power in the West to clearly the second banana.  The question is: Is this condition permanent or is it just these past two seasons?  Hell, I don't know. 

But here's what kills me.  If LSU runs off a coach for going 9-3, two years removed from a national title, what coach do you think LSU will then be able to attract?  This is where the delusion comes in.  Coaches may be an egotistical and narcissistic lot, but this fanbase screams Unreasonable Expectations.  One bad year and you're gone.  Oh, and the crowd support will suck.  Where were all of the fans going in the second half of that game?

Star-divide

LSU fans seem to be operating on the assumption that if we fire Les Miles, Brian Kelly will be hired the next day.  Do I think Kelly is a better coach than Miles?  Yes, I do.  I think Brian Kelly is a superstar.  Do I think he's sitting by the phone, waiting for LSU to call?  No, I don't. 

Miles is not the best coach in the country.  However, if LSU fires him, I don't see any realistic options who are better.  Miles is not perfect, but who is?  Show me a team this year outside of the undefeated teams which did not drop a game they shouldn't have lost?  If we're gonna crucify Miles for the Ole Miss game, then there are almost no coaches who would survive such scrutiny. 

All of that said, had LSU lost to Arkansas, Miles should have gotten the axe.  That's how tough the coaching game can be.  It's about wins and losses, and 3-5 followed by 4-4 wouldn't have cut it, particularly with two straight late season collapses.  But he avoided the loss and probably saved his job for another year.  5-3 means he can argue last year was a fluke.

But the seat is most definitely hot now.  If LSU does not make the SEC Championship Game next year, the calls for Miles' head will get even louder.  LSU expects to contend for titles, and Miles is paid to win them.  That's the standard.  It doesn't make it right, but that's just the way the coaching carousel goes.

But there's absolutely no guarantee that some mythical Other Guy will automatically be better.  Just remember that. 

And in the rush to condemn Miles, people forget the things that he does well.  This team did not give up on him.  He's loyal to his players.  He's a great recruiter.  He's a good person.  The way he guided the team through the hurricanes speaks highly of his character.  He learns from his mistakes, which shows his pragmatic nature.  He's not afraid of being the lightning rod of criticism. 

I'm still happy with the Miles Era.  A New Years Day Bowl is nothing to be unhappy with.  We've just been so spoiled by the recent run of success.  And I will humbly submit one small piece of evidence that Miles is a good game day coach: LSU has been consistently outgained all season long, yet we keep winning.  After awhile, it stps being luck and it maybe, just maybe, has something to do with the guy on the sideline.

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I'm with you on all counts.

9-3 is good. Most teams would kill to be 9-3. I still believe the whole Ryan Perrilloux thing has hurt us more than most people can understand but that’s just my opinion. Les is a good coach.
I think he’s a great recruiter and he has character. My hope is that next year with Jefferson more mature and maybe some improvement on the offensive line we can move forward and compete for the SEC championship.
PS. I bet we win our bowl game but that’s just me. :-)

by Totally Spoil on Nov 29, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Miles is great at recruiting and preparation, and game management is a fixable problem (which may have just been fixed). Honestly I cannot wait for next year, what’ll we have, 7 starters back on D? And then 3 starters back on the O line (for good or bad), Toliver, Ridley/Murphy, Shepard, Randle, Deangelo Peterson, Jefferson improving…and maybe an explosive offense finally.

In fact, as far as the offense, whatever you say about Crowton, I don’t think that the problem is the multiplicity of formations, plays, etc. If you watched Auburn against Alabama, they had more formations and sets and pre-snap motions than we do, and they did fine with it. I don’t know if it’s complex terminology or what, but I don’t think the different formations are the problem. In high school, we could run the same play out of at least 4 different formations, and we could just add pre-snap motions or stuff like that whenever, and it wasn’t difficult, and I’m sure we practiced a lot less than LSU does.

by Ianoka on Nov 29, 2009 8:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you as well Poseur.

I don’t think any rationale person actually wants to fire Miles this season. BUT…

I do think most people think he will be on the hot seat next year. He’s got to win the west or he will have a lot of explaining to do. I’ve got to say I’m pretty pissed that we are going through our longest drought from Atlanta since before this decade, but honestly it will only be 3 years…well at least 3 years.

So I’m firmly in the camp of, let’s give the guy a chance. But when you look at it, he’s 1 for 3 in coordinator hires (Pelini great, with Crowton and Malleveto below par for LSU) and we’ll have to wait and see for Chavis. We aren’t in baseball season yet, so those aren’t good numbers.

Les has lost the benefit of the doubt with me. So while I love the guy, and want him to succeed…I wouldn’t put money on it that he is our coach after 2010. I just don’t have any confidence any more. I’m going to need a lot more than an OT win against a 3-4 in the SEC Arky team that out gained us in every statistical catagory save the scoreboard to get my confidence back. The only confidence I have in Les is that he’ll smoke whoever we play in the post season.

by LSU Jonno on Nov 29, 2009 9:18 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I don't know if I would call it a hot seat

I think 9-3 next year would probably buy him another year, but the expectations are definitely to get to Atlanta (and considering the East next year, WIN in Atlanta). As far as coordinators, Pelini was great, Crowton was great (for the first year, year and half), and then Mallveto and Crowton recently were terrible. With all of the good offensive coaches out there, we should be able to get a very good one for next year.

I personally haven’t really lost confidence in him. The good thing is all of our struggles have logical, fixable problems. The d-coordinators last year, for example, and quarterback play. So Miles gets an upgrade at d-coordinator, and benches Lee and starts Jefferson’s development. This year, it’s the offensive play calling, and maybe the offensive line. The playcalling is expected to be fixed, and if what I keep hearing about our backup linemen is true, the line will be as well. I’m optimistic for next year, depending on whether or not Mallet stays, I think it’s gonna be a two team race for the whole SEC, between LSU and Alabama. This time, we get them at home.

by Ianoka on Nov 29, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree about Kelly.

I know he’s done one hell of a job at Cincy, but he reeks of Dan Hawkins to me. He’d be inheriting a much better team talent-wise then Hawkins and is nowhere near as squirrely; but for every “superstar” coach (like your Urban Meyers of the world) who goes on to succeed in the S-E-C, there’s a highly touted coach who comes in and underachieves. For God’s sake, Miles is only a few years removed from a NC. 9-3 in the S-E-C is not a bad thing, especially from a QB in his first full year as a starter and a defense who still seems to be putting things together.

by TheRZA on Nov 29, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's ironic...

…that it is the same, supposed, great recruiting classes, which is the reason why the fan base has had such high expectations over the last few years. While our classes have been rich in certain skill position players (receiver/corner back) our respective lines have not been recruited well…All the headlines belong to the school he gets that Five-Star receiver though…

Les, as a former offensive lineman, would seem to be in a great position to produce a line that would be a perennial strength. He has greatly underachieved in this regard. I base this on the assumption that not only would Les be able to step in and teach technique, but that he would also have a great eye for talent. However, can anyone remember thinking the last time the o-line dominated a game?

Are we delusional? Maybe. Quick though. Name a quality win we’ve had over the last two years? Last year, Georgia Tech in the Peach? Or this year’s nominee 7-5 Georgia?

Plus, so many of our victories have been of the down to the wire, miracle finish variety. The law of averages predict more losses while this team is being led by man, which by all accounts, is a very nice guy.

Personally, paying someone $4,000,000 a year, a stratospheric salary, I would think you would expect more.

by TigerPaw on Nov 29, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think you touch on an important point, but don't go far enough..

We have used scholarship after scholarship on offensive linemen. We have more scholarship offensive linemen than we have scholarship players at any other position. We have, on the roster, enough offensive linemen on scholarship that we have scholarship players in the 4-deep. The four-deep. And yet, our offensive line was the primary weakness of our team for most of the season. We have spent so many scholarships on offensive linemen (or on defensive linemen or tight ends who get converted to OL), and yet we still don’t have a solid offensive line. It solidified and got better as the season went on, but could never be considered a strength. That’s a huge scholarship drain on one position, ultimately to have that position fail. Those are scholarships that could have been used over the years to give people like Frank Alexander, Robby Green, and Darrington Sentimore (at least two of whom felt like LSU just didn’t want them) scholarships to come to LSU and contribute at other positions. Frank Alexander, in particular, would have made a big difference for this team.

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by Richard Pittman on Nov 29, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd.

At the end of the day

by Mikeno on Nov 29, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As far as the positives

Miles’ LSU teams have had as much heart as any team in any sport that I can remember.

As far as the negatives, I’m not sure what year it was where the clock kept running on change of possession, but it might’ve been that year against Tennessee.

I don’t like to criticize how coaches spend scholarships. They are at practice, they see things nobody else does, so if they decide to move somebody somewhere, I’ve got to assume thats the right decision. Also, it’s a lot harder to learn a position on the O line than the D line, so they could always go back if needed.

As far as Louisiana players leaving Louisiana, this doesn’t bother me too much. Joe McKnight was a pretty big disappointment, and we got Stevan Ridley instead, who I would say has a much brighter future at this point. I don’t give a crap if we lose Janzen Jackson from Louisiana if we can pull Patrick Peterson from Florida (huge advantage-LSU). I don’t care if Trovon Reed leaves if we can get Shepard and Loston from Texas. We still get ALMOST anyone we want from Louisiana, and we have a national recruiting reach now. USC doesn’t get everyone they want from California, but they don’t have to, because they can recruit whoever, wherever, whenever. We are getting to the same place, at least in the South, which is as much as we need honestly.

by Ianoka on Nov 29, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See, this is what I'm talking about...

Miles had the benefit of the doubt with rational fans on basically every topic until this Ole Miss game. Now everything is up for debate.

While I have been questioning his recruiting (privately) now all of a sudden it is getting questioned openly. The recruiting blunders that Richard point out are now starting to be questioned instead of fans blowing them off saying, “hey, if it is one thing Les knows it is recruiting”. Maybe they are starting to come into question because they are starting to impact the team. Maybe Les is a better coach than recruiter? Maybe our Rivals rankings have been artificially inflated? Anyone care to try to answer these questions?

What I’m saying is, everything the man does from now on will be under the microscope. If he smells a little funny after practice, if he orders the wrong menu item from The Palace Cafe, if he tips 19% instead of 20% people are going to question him.

Hell people already questioned him. But now you have rationale people like Richard, The Bengal and others questioning him (for good reasons). It is going to take an SEC championship to win back the trust of the fans.

by LSU Jonno on Nov 30, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very true

And to be fair to Richard – he was questioning our OL/DL management well before the past couple weeks.

by GeauxTigers on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just a note on the Louisiana players

Aside from Frank Alexander, I’m not sure you can really say we’re missing out on those names (yet). Green is a reserve for Alabama, but who would he play over in LSU’s secondary? Brandon Taylor? That’s debatable. Sentimore is yet to see the field, and McKnight wouldn’t be much more than a punt returner here (next Reggie Bush my ass) because Miles and Porter don’t use east-west running backs (which is why others have started over Keiland Williams).

Jackson looks like a potential star, but you have to wonder if he’d get in even more trouble here given what problems he’s had in Knoxville.

I agree with your post in general, just wanted to address that specific point.

by Billy Gomila on Nov 30, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, such positive writing...........but....

All of that said, had LSU lost to Arkansas, Miles should have gotten the axe.

dude, that is such negative crap. you would have been right if you would have been right.
oh, i mean in reverse, of course.
so, you would call for miles to be fired even tho he has 50 wins in 5 years, an 8-4 season.
and you would hire WHO? with fans like you, WHO would come to this podunk school?
i mean, saban left b/c of negative fans like you. miles could easily move to another school (ala nutt to ol miss) and probably get a more intelligent fan base than you prove the boo birds to be.

did you ever hear the term “passive agressive” ? i mean i love the guy even tho i want him to fired? dude, you need to think about how your brain works. all behavior is learned behavior, your judgement of others is the judgement you grew up with.

take a break, drink a little less. don’t be as smart as you think you are.

by blackjackjackson on Nov 29, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Saban left because of money

It was a chance to be a head coach in the NFL. He would have been a fool not to take the chance. It just didn’t work out for him.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 29, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do like Miles

But it’s about wins and losses. It’s a rough buisness, but 3-5 followed by 4-4 with two straight Novembers of three straight losses to close the season gets coaches fired. If you’re paid as much as Miles is, you cannot lose every game down the stretch in two consecutive seasons.

I’m a bottom line guy. I’ll be fair and judge Miles on wins and losses, not any perceived weakness. But he has to win. That’s what he is paid to do.

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by Poseur on Nov 30, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I waited

until everone had their say as I seem to be the pile on guy right now. Excellent write up and I couldn’t agree more with 95% of what you wrote.

One thing; what if Miles goes 11-1(loses to Alabama) and doesn’t win the SEC West – do we still fire him?

Or, if we beat Bama but lose to say Florida and a much better Arkansas team 10-2 and still don’t win the West, do we fire him?

Or, maybe we go 9-3 but win the West then lose on a Referee bad call, do we fire him?

I’m just saying, if we set an ultimatium aren’t we just setting ourselves up to fail?

I want/need/expect us to win the West next year but we’ll have to see where we are next season.

You can also count on Auburn, Arkansas and Miss State being better, there will not be an easy win in the West period.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Nov 30, 2009 6:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’m just saying, if we set an ultimatium aren’t we just setting ourselves up to fail?

No.

You can also count on Auburn, Arkansas and Miss State being better, there will not be an easy win in the West period.

Based on what evidence do you think they will be more improved? Out of those three only Auburn seems to be recruiting at a high level. So they will probably step into the vacuum that will be made by Ole Miss’ (expected) decline next season. So it will most likely be what it always is; a three dog race for the West. Arky says they will be better, but I just don’t see it next season.

You know honestly, a 9-3 season wouldn’t be such a bad prospect if the team looked like a well oiled machine. Effort is great, but some semblance of a game-plan and execution of said game-plan would go a long ways to alleviating some criticism of the coaches. We’re 9-3 this season, but looking at our stats who would be surprised if this team had ended up 7-5, or… (gulp) 6-6? There were times this season where we looked downright horrible. I think if we go 9-3 but look like an 11-1 squad; I can be happy with that. Admittedly though, next season is supposed to be our rise to the top of the division (and SEC), and with Les spending all of his benefit of the doubt points up; 9-3 might not be enough.

9-3 would be too early to tell, but anything less and Miles is probably out of a job.

At the end of the day

by Mikeno on Nov 30, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like Arky one bit

but I think there is a lot to be concerned about next year with respect to them. Mallett should be returning with a lot of receivers who had significant playing time, and Petrino has a good understanding of how to use them. I actually expect them to challenge for the West title.

by artiger on Nov 30, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only

way to improve that team in the SEC is to improve the defense. They were already an explosive offense, but they can’t stop anyone. Coupled with them losing the few guys who played good defense on that unit I fail to see the progress. They also get poor pass protection. I mean there are just too many wholes for them to challenge for the West, much less improve. I expect them to go 3-5 once again.

They do have Mallett, a great core of receivers, Dennis Johnson (which is a wonder why they don’t get him more involved), and Petrino who could coach an offense blind. But if that defense doesn’t improve (and looking at the guys on that roster and the lack-luster recruiting particularly on that side of the ball) I don’t see a better/improved record for them. Are they playing Kentucky or Vanderbilt form the East next year? If so I reserve the right not to have to eat those words. Hehe.

Now I could be wrong, but not SEC title game wrong. More like a one game difference wrong.

At the end of the day

by Mikeno on Nov 30, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

too many wholes for them to challenge for the West, much less improve

Too many *holes for them to improve, much less challenge for the West.

At the end of the day

by Mikeno on Nov 30, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for joining the debate

instead of preaching and emotional shouting. That, I think, is what everyone has been on your case about.

The benchmarks are that we need to see execution on the field and weaknesses being addressed. As Richard said we won the majority of our games while being outgained and outplayed. It finally caught up to us at Ole Miss. That’s when the recurrent clock management issues finally cost us a game. That’s the key thing. It’s not effort, it’s execution. This has been a sloppy, sloppy team for two years. While most rational people expected a 9-3 or 10-2 record this year, we didn’t expect to see LSU get consistently outplayed by opponents like Washington, MSU, ULL, La Tech, Vanderbilt, etc.

Speaking for myself, I want to see us in the SEC Championship game. But if the stars don’t align, the question I will be asking is did it appear Miles corrected the issues with this team? Does the offense execute without delay of game penalties? Do we have a running game? Are we able to keep the Defense off the field? Do Defensive Ends maintain contain on running plays? Can we get a pass rush? Can we dominate and extend an early lead (Auburn) or do we let teams back in the game (Arkansas, Alabama, Ole Miss)?

So I prefer to think of the SEC Championship game as a benchmark rather than an ultimatum. If we don’t hit the benchmark were there enough other mitigating factors to measure significant improvement? If so, great. If not, we have to evaluate the whole program and that does include the guy at the top.

LSU and Alabama are probably equivalent in talent (based on potentially flawed recruiting rankings, I know) and are both significantly more talented than the rest of the West. All other things being equal, we should be splitting games with Bama on average and consistently beating the rest of the West. The differentiators are player development, game preparation, and game coaching. That’s how Miles and staff should be graded each year. This season was the equivalent of turning what should be a “B” paper (9-3) in content, but the sloppy handwriting, poor spelling, and foodstains result in a “C”.

CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!

by The Bengal on Nov 30, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bengal

I find it ironic that you call me out on ‘emotional shouting’ and preaching.

I haven’t cursed anyone but have been cursed at.

I haven’t personally attacked anyone but I have been attacked.

I have been pretty consistent; I support our coach because he deserves our support IMHO.

You have another opinion, fine that’s your purgative. But I don’t really need your condescending patronage.

Thanks – Geaux Tigers.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Nov 30, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I give up

I tried to provide some perspective as to why people have been criticizing your posting behavior. From now on I will do my best to just skip on past your posts and ignore you. Have fun shouting at the wind.

CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!

by The Bengal on Nov 30, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, gee

your desire to ‘help’ me seemed so condescending, I didn’t catch it. Thanks for coming down from on high to my lowly rescue.

Honestly, I’m probably one of the most well behaved posters this site has ever seen. I never use profanity, I don’t personally attack people or their character and until the Fire/Kill Les campaign went into effect no one ever complained to or about me.

I guess since I haven’t been posting for years you guys consider me an outsider or whatever but I have simply defended our coach and I am in NO way ashamed of that.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Nov 30, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes you preach...

and calling out someone else for being condescending is priceless.

I get it… you like Les Miles. The guy standing on the street corner with a bullhorn asking if we’re all saved likes his God too. But maybe some folks would like to cross the street without having that bullhorn blazing in their ear.

Yeah, you can ignore it but sheesh… give it a rest.

by pttigris on Nov 30, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So

everybody else slamming the man as much as they want is ok but if I respond I’m the one with the bull horn? Better, everyone can insult me for my opinion (or whatever) and that’s ok, what’s not OK is me pointing that out…?

And apparently you don’t get it. Me liking Miles is not the issue. Its the ‘what it would do to the program’ if we fire a man for being 9-3 two years removed from a championship that is the issue.

Poseur made the exact same point, why is no one telling him to shut up.

From looking at your point below about Butch @ UNC you are making the same point so now you’ve got the bull horn I guess.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Nov 30, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mikeno, thanks for responding

I disagree on the ultimatium but thats me.

Arkansas will have one more year with Mallett and Petrino has a pretty solid track record; I’m not sure where they are with recruiting but I seem to remember they brought in a pretty decent class last year.

Auburn brought in a great class last year is in the mix for a great class this year and looks to be on the up.

Miss State almost beat LSU and Florida this year (in fact without a phantom call they did beat Florida) and they beat Ole Miss like a drum. If Mullen can recruit he can turn things around.

I’m not saying any of them will be in the mix for the Title (Auburn maybe) What I am saying is that NONE of them will be lay down wins.

In fact, without question the SEC West will be the toughest division in the country for the foreseeable future.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Nov 30, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would note

That everybody thought Dan Hawkins was a home run hire for Colorado — ditto for Steve Kragthorpe when Louisville snatched him up. Sometimes those home runs drift beyond the foul pole.

People forget that Pete Carroll was USC’s like eighth choice as HC and a number of people questioned that hiring. This year’s struggles aside, you can’t say that hasn’t wound up a home run.

by Billy Gomila on Nov 30, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

To further the point...

… Ralph Friedgen was a home run after returning Maryland to the BCS. Now he’s a bum who coaches the worst team in the ACC.

Al Groh was a recruiting genius who brought absurd talent to UVa. Now he’s the guy who squandered all those first rounders.

Mark Mangino was the savior of Kansas football. Now he’s under investigation.

Bob Stoops was Big Game Bob. Now he’s a guy who is known for his high profile losses.

Mark Richt was the best young coach in the SEC. Now he’s the captain of a sinking ship.

Even the home run hires lose their luster once they lose that new coach smell. They didn’t suddenly become bad coaches. Every program has ebb and flow. The issue is returning to the top after the bad year.

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by Poseur on Nov 30, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I couldn’t agree more!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Nov 30, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I would add

That despite the problems this season, there was improvement.

by Billy Gomila on Nov 30, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rise and Fall..and Rise Again

It happens. Thanks for your sane comments, Poseur.
Geaux Tigers!

by Texas Tiger on Nov 30, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Careful with the Rise Again

comment, you might get the KKK marching from Oxford to Baton Rouge!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Nov 30, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or Willingham and Weis...

and John L Smith and Butch Davis.

Butch was my first choice when Nicky left and I was disappointed that we missed him. How’d that work out for NC. Butch has shown an inability to win big games at NC, despite some good recruiting classes. I’m glad we got Miles.

No coach comes with Onstar… if he crashes the program we’re just stuck. A lot of people think we’re stuck now but hiw bad would it be to compound the problem with a big buyout followed by a big mistake.

Let’s see what happens next season and make another rational decision. Miles extension was not a rational decision but that problem will resolve in a couple of seasons. A bad hire now could wreck us for 5-6 years.

by pttigris on Nov 30, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

How many people thought that Urban Meyer was a Home Run hire? What about Chizik? Everyone assumed that Auburn would be worse and So far they seem to be playing with more fire. I was a fan of hiring Les and I think that next year we can’t afford to lose 3 sec games or Les will be gone. It was an up and down year but at least it was interesting

by Draco on Nov 30, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

talk about deluded fan bases...
What about Chizik? Everyone assumed that Auburn would be worse and So far they seem to be playing with more fire.

Talking to some WarPlainsTigerMenEagles in the south end zone after that game, half of them still want Tommy back.

by PodKATT on Nov 30, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

ND will start talking to Tubbs?

by artiger on Nov 30, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why he would want the job

It seems the only reason ND is so “prestigious” not is because that is what ESPN is telling us.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
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by Gregatron on Nov 30, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tubbs has been unconventional, hasn't he?

I have to admit, it doesn’t seem like a good fit. But who knows what that goof will do?

by artiger on Nov 30, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

aTm or UVa

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by Mikeno on Nov 30, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pink slip for Les

I think that if we lose the bowl game and follow that up by going 5-7 next year, we’d be stupid to fire Miles. It wasn’t too long ago—one year—that lots of us were saying auburn was silly for firing Tubberville for one horrible season. Precedent may have been set, but it’s a stupid precedent, and we’d be stupid to fire Miles if we’re as bad as 5-7 next year. That’s not good enough, but considering the success he has had, I would cut him the slack of one losing season.

I figure few people will agree with me, but so what. If you want to fire a guy who posts one losing season in 6 years despite a national championship, one SEC championship, two SEC West championships, and (at least) 4 bowl wins, then you deserve the karma of getting the next Curley Hallman to replace him.

by uberschuck on Dec 1, 2009 12:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 1, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This point has been made before but...

You have to look at his SEC record, b/c that is the goal every year. He can pad his W’s all day w/ North Texas and ULL, but the SEC is what counts. 5-7 probably means a 2-3 win season in the SEC. Do you think that is acceptable?

by Zandor435 on Dec 1, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No. As I said in my post, a 5-7 season is not good enough. Even if we’re 5-3 in conference, a 5-7 season isn’t good enough. My point is that one losing season in 6 isn’t reason for me to want to fire the coach. If he follows up 5-7 with another season that’s less than 8 wins, then I probably fire him.

If you said you’d never complain about an 8-win season (Poseur!) then would you fire a coach for winning 8, 9, and 8 games in consecutive seasons? If you thought auburn was crazy to fire Tubberville for one disaster of a losing season, isn’t it also crazy to fire Miles for two winning, albeit disappointing, seasons?

If we fire a coach who averages 10 wins a season over half a decade, we’re @$$holes and we deserve the second coming of Curly Hallman.

by uberschuck on Dec 1, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

mmmmm

mmmmm

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm almost afraid to ask...

What do all your grunts mean, Southern Man? Do you want to express those thoughts in words?

by uberschuck on Dec 2, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not allowed to

speak on this subject……..

but I agree with you 100 and 10%.

I ruffled a few feathers over the last week and a half because I have made the same point about us deserving mediocrity if we run off a coach under these circumstances and that makes me a preacher from the Church of Miles!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 2, 2009 2:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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