Last Thoughts On Saban: Move On, Everyone
Let's just get something out of the way: I don't like Nick Saban. I appreciate what he did for our program, but it was a relationship in which both parties were using each other. We got a national title out of the deal, he spent every season looking for another gig, and eventually someone left more money on the dresser than we did. Hey, that's how it goes.
I didn't like him when he was hired, I think I told my friends he was a Yankee who couldn't even beat Dinardo, and I wasn't all that impressed with what he did at Michigan St. I didn't like him while he was here, because he's just the kind of coach I dislike: the dictator genius. I don't like Bellichek, his mentor, nor do I like any coach that makes every single thing about him. Every win was because of Saban's genius and every loss was not his fault because some kid didn't execute his brilliance correctly or somehow fate intervened. Whatever. He played footsies with anyone who would call his agent every offseason and then he left. I was happy he left because I thought the Saban Obsession had left town and we could focus on the actual program instead.
Called that one wrong. The Saban Obsession has only gotten worse since he left.,
But let's clear another thing up: I don't hate Nick Saban. I don't blame him for leaving and I don't blame him for coming back to the SEC. I'd prefer it if he were in the NFL, but since he's the coach at Alabama, I hope he loses not because he used to be our coach, but because he's the head coach of Alabama. I didn't send good vibes to Mike Dubose either. I don't think he's a bad coach and I do think he'll continue to have success at Bama.
What I absolutely detest, and it needs to stop right now, is the Saban Obsession. Now, I know Bama fans think the majority of LSU fans hate Saban, but that's not true. I'd say the most vocal contingent, at least online, are those that love Saban. But Saban never loved us back and it kills them. Instead of recognizing that he is just a standard issue egomaniacal football coach, these fans have now created what I like to call the Saban Myth.
Les Miles is not being compared to the actual legacy of Nick Saban, he's been compared to the Myth. Saban's teams never blew a lead, never committed a bad penalty, never had a blitz that didn't work, and never ran a play that failed to make a first down. Saban won every game except for those that weren't his fault, his players loved him like a father, and they always gave 110% on every play. Nick Saban is partly responsible for this myth as he's a capable manipulator of his public image and he's done everything he can to create the image of the Perfect Coach. But shame on LSU fans for still buying the Myth.
He left. It wasn't personal, it wasn't malicious. It was business. Since he failed in the NFL, he came back to the big college job that had an opening, which happened to be Alabama. It's not a vendetta. Saban doesn't stay up at nights pining for LSU.
Comparing Miles to Saban needs to stop. It's just not healthy, and it's a comparison Miles can never win because he's not being compared to a man anymore, he's being compared to the Myth. LSU fans don't hate Saban, that could at least be understood. The truth is a little more complicated, as many fans are still acting like the jilted lover. Well, your ex has a new spouse and if you haven't noticed, we have a pretty good coach ourselves here who has accomplished a lot of great things. It's time to appreciate the great program we actually have and not this imaginary one built up in our minds that would have occurred had the NFL never come calling.The best way to move on is this. Find any person who refers to this game as the Saban Bowl, and punch them in the face. Trust me, they deserve it. The head coach of Alabama is the enemy, but only because he is the head coach of Alabama. He's never coming back, so stop pretending he will and stop building his legend. Stop living in 2003, a lot of cool things have happened since then.
Les Miles is a damn strong football coach. In the name of all that is holy, stop holding our national championship winning coach at arm's length. We don't need Saban back because, really, he was never really here. Just the Myth.
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I was proud
that Saban was our coach when he was here. He did a great job and I generally liked his demeanor that I feel brought a toughness to the program. But that’s just my opinion. Some people liked him, some didn’t.
But the point on which I agree with you is an absolutely factual one: He was always on the way out of here because the NFL was his destination. It was a job to him—and there’s nothing wrong with that. He did a great job, but come on! He wasn’t unbeatable, even in his last season with all his recruits and with a nat. championship in tow.
I’m grateful that he rebuilt the program—he did, there’s no denying it. But you’re right—Miles can’t compare to the myth and while everyone’s still whining, they forget to look up and see we’ve STILL got a good thing going.
by TigerTex on Nov 5, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And don't get me wrong...
…I am thankful for the things Saban brought to the program. The 2003 title was an all-time great sports moment for me. I think people like me who never loved Saban and always saw him as just a guy who viewed this as a job had no real problem moving on. I don’t feel jilted. He got another gig. It happens all the time and in every walk of life.
It was those who love Saban who still feel the pain. If you love someone, set them free.
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by Poseur on Nov 5, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never blamed him for leaving for the Dolphins
I did get irritated that of all the potential college jobs he could have picked, he came back to a division rival, but I got over it after the 2007 season.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
by The Bengal on Nov 5, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Through 61 games:
Miles 49-12 80%
Saban 46-15 75%
What Saban’s done at Bama is impressive, but I’m (mostly) happy with our current coach. If Miles can fix the running game and pass rush, I’ll be completely happy, LOL.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
by The Bengal on Nov 5, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LSU Vs Bama
I think LSU vans would be excited to knock Bama out of a BCS title game…better do it before Chatanooga does (:
by PZIP on Nov 5, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LSU
Although I am from the West Coast, I like the Southern intensity with this sport…
by PZIP on Nov 5, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you say
I don’t really care for Saban either way as far as personally. I understand perfectly why he did what he did, but as you say, he’s the coach of Alabama, so we can hate him. And since we’re hating him for that reason, I can get myself more fired up by calling himself a traitor and similar things, even though I know logically that he really isn’t.
by Ianoka on Nov 5, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To be honest.....
I thought we were wrong to fire DiNardo but I was OK with NS as his successor. What I have never been OK with is giving him (NS) ALL the credit for returning LSU to national prominence.
DiNardo left the cupboards fully stocked with talent and unlike DiNardo’s last two years they were mostly healthy. Nick did a great job and took it to the next level but we were by no means some blind sisters of the poor program when he showed up.
His exit and subsequent return to the division as a rival don’t bother me at all. I think he has shown some character flaws with his handling of certain things but that only makes me appreciate Les Miles even more.
Speaking of Les Miles – LSU fans that haven’t yet embraced this guy are stupid and delusional. (period) Les Miles is the best coach we have ever had by any measure and what happens this weekend has absolutely no bearing on that.
I am and will be a fan of this man until I die. (period)
As to the ‘Saban Bowl’ moniker – you probably will not want to hit me in the face (I assure I can defend myself :-) ) but I do not mind the tag. It places a little more national notoriety to the game and elevates the rivalry, which in my opinion is a good thing. It also place more pressure on the name sake, how does it make Saban look if Les Miles owns him in the game named after him!?!
To that point, Saban acknowledged the pressure on his team, in his weekly press conference, and said that it had affected their play. He seemed genuinely frustrated and concerned and judging by the Tide’s play the last few weeks I’d say they are not dealing with it well.
Moreover, if memory serves, 2004 was the year that Saban (and the Saban led team) faced it’s highest expectations (2003 was all bonus as no one ever expected us to be in the hunt until KState slobber-knocked OU) and how’d that turn out?
I don’t think Saban has fun and Alabama fans think their birth right is being reclaimed – if Saban blows it he knows the death threats will not be intended for ‘fun’ either.
Honestly, we may not have enough to take them this year, though I am very optimistic that we do, but I fully expect LSU to be the greater of these two teams over the next several years.
Winning ‘Saban Bowl’ this year would just be bonus! Imagine if Miles were 2-1 (LSU would be 3-1) head to head and finishes the year with a six game advantage in the ‘LSU Tenure’ plus a chance to claim a third Championship this decade – LSU would be the undisputed team of the decade and Miles, not Saban would be the Coach of the Decade!
Again, that’s a tall order but it’s still there!
No matter what, I’m down with the Hat!
Geaux Tigers!!!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Nov 6, 2009 5:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
OK...
Given the thoughtful comments posted here I’ve come to my senses. I am no longer a Saban hater, I’m now a recovering Saban hater.
by Tiger6367 on Nov 6, 2009 7:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hate Saban,
Not for leaving LSU, not for going to Alabama, but for endorsing Houston Nutt as his replacement at LSU. Now that is a genuine reason for hate.
by silvestris on Nov 6, 2009 8:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a beef with Saban
But it’s not b/c he went to Bama. I love Les Miles as our coach and I think he makes smart calls rather than the safe calls most of the time (though on O this season we may be a little too safe but we’ll see tomorrow).
I dislike Saban b/c of the way he left us. He waited until the team had left town for the Cap One Bowl, and in Orlando then decided to announce to everyone that he was leaving. The team came out flat and we lost the bowl to Iowa. I’m mad at him for dumping the team at the most opportune moment. If he had waited till after the bowl, I’d have no problem. But cowardly leaving town and starting off a bowl trip with “hey, screw you guys, I’m taking the cash” is why I very enjoy watching his teams lose and why I hope we can beat them.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Nov 6, 2009 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nick Who?
Oh, you are talking about a “former” head coach of the Tigers who placed his mark in
Tiger Stadium, as has every other “former coach”, and then moved on.
Currently we have a “head coach” by the name of Les Miles who is still making his mark. We cannot see what or how large his final mark will be, but based on the outline he has put up, it can only be good days ahead for the Tigers.
by lawildbull on Nov 6, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
EGO
Right. The problem with Saban was… is, his ego. It was all about him, all the time. I live in South Beach and it didn’t change with the Dolphins. It got bigger. Problem there was that he was surrounded by equally large egos. Sounds eerily similar to someone else elected to a very high post. But at least he’s Bama’s a-hole now and not ours. I was at his last game. Although I would never pull for my Tigers to lose, I thought it very fitting that a coach that was such a “defensive genius” got burned on the last play, deploying a boneheaded defense. Served him right.
by PatMac on Nov 6, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Respecting Saban
I was very bummed to see him go. I knew it was coming – Skip Bertman kept telling us it would happen, but it was still a sad day.
I’m not going to bash Les Miles – he’s done a pretty good job with respect to wins and losses – that’s a no-brainer. However (and this is more a personal preference), I was tremendously proud of the “citizen” that seemed to come through Saban’s teams at LSU. I think the demeanor of our players both on and off the field have changed for the worse since Miles replaced Saban. That’s not to say that we have a bunch of derelicts now, but I am concerned about the direction. To oversimplify it – think Marcus Spears vs Ricky Jean-Francois. Both very talented – one a smart guy who would succeed in life no matter what, abd the other… well…a bit of a knuckle-head. Like it or not, this is the track record of Miles’ tenure at Oklahoma State.
I get criticized by friends for wanting style points, and I suppose that’s fair. These same friends are big boasters of the success the U (Miami) had in their heyday. Again, me personally, that’s not how I want to win championships.
With that being said, I’ll be hurling F bombs like crazy at Saban on Saturday, hoping his head implodes over a bad call, and rootin’ for the Hat! Oh yeah, and the obligatory references to incest amongst the Alabama fans. You see? I’m all about class man.
by drbonne on Nov 6, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Class guys
I’m pretty sure Ricky Jean had his fair share of problems under Saban and to date has done nothing under Singeltary to male me believe he will ever be as good a player as he could be. But in regards to your comment of “citizen” players under Saban I would have to say that while we never had a Ryan Perilloux(sp) type of problem with any of our players under Saban the fact that we eventually kicked him off the team is a huge testament to Miles. I do not believe that Saban would have EVER kicked him off the team and I am 100% sure that he would not have been as concerned for Ryan as a man as Miles made comment to many times. Hey I went to LSU during the Saban years and I loved watching his teams play but he was all about him and not the team unlike Miles who has always deffered to his players and taken the blame on himself when things go wrong.
by Draco on Nov 6, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RJF never played for Saban..
he was recruited by miles in the 2005 class, which was his first class. He was a late signee, so he was ALL Miles, not saban. He didn’t work out as well as expected, unfortunately, but I don’t think we can blame Miles for whatever problems he had.
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by Richard Pittman on Nov 7, 2009 6:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee?
West Virginia?
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by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 6, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Admiration for Les Miles
In my humble opinion, Les Miles is the best head coach LSU ever had, and fans should recognize that this is correct. I believe this is one of those situations where you don’t know what you have until it’s gone. And, heaven help LSU, if Coach Miles should leave for any reason. Coach Miles is a great coach and an incredible recruiter, who pulled in the No.1 recruiting class last year and is working on a top 5 class for this year. As for Nick Saban, I’m glad he’s gone. He’s nowhere near the coach that Les Miles is, and a character comparison produces gales of laughter. I think Coach Miles showed us where his heart is when he turned down the head coaching job at his alma mater, Michigan, and stayed with LSU. Under the same circumstances, Nick Saban would’ve been gone in a flash. This was a problem every year with Saban as no one knew for sure if he would be back at LSU the next year. Coach Miles has a better record at LSU than Saban, and he’s already given us one National Championship. Come on, people, what more do you want. As an aside, the Tigers can easily beat Bama this coming weekend, if they simply play up to their capabilities. And, I, for one, am looking forward to a Tiger win.
by Caliguy55 on Nov 6, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Caliguy55
well said!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Nov 6, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Each year under Nick when an NFL opening occurred
the boards would light up “is he leaving or is he staying”. Every year. It got old because you knew he was at some point going to leave. I appreciate what he did for LSU, but am glad he is gone.
FredSez
by FredSez on Nov 7, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
lsu might be too quick for bama
hope our speed wins out today…terrible play calling on our first series…
by jack89 on Nov 7, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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