LSU @ Bama: 2:30pm
by Richard Pittman on Nov 7, 2009 12:00 PM CST
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PrintLSU Tigers at Alabama Crimson Tide, Nov 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST
The SEC didn't burden us with a lot of other good games on TV today. Auburn vs. Furman? Kentucky vs. Eastern Kentucky? Tennessee vs. Tennessee Tech? Not hardly. The only other halfway decent game is Arkansas vs. South Carolina. I'm not missing a thing by going to this one.
This will serve as a Game Thread for today, and as an opening monologue for the day. I will not be participating in the game thread, so you are on your own.
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Radical thought for the day
Instead of playing max protect in the face of the expected Bama blitz, go five wide and throw. Make the quick read and try and expose the weakest link of Bama’s defense: the secondary. Force single coverage and eliminate safety help. Yes, the blitz will result in some sacks, but if we attack the blitz, it will likely result in big plays when one of receivers breaks a tackle. The weakness of a blitz is that it puts a lot of pressure on the secondary. Exploit that weakness.
I’ll be here for the first half, then it’s Wedding Time.
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Interesting idea
But it seems like most of our sacks seem to come from empty backfield shotgun formations. I’d rather see some screens to take advantage of their aggressiveness.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
I'm all for attacking their corners
But making them stay in base personnel is probably the way to go there, because they’ll totally just drop back. That’s what Bama did last year a lot.
Poseur,
Understand wedding is in Texas. Were it in Louisiana, a small transistor radio with a Secret Service ear bud would probably work since Jim Hawthorne covers this state like a blanket. However, there could be problems when the Tigers scored and you jumped up and shouted. Guess we’ll all have to watch twice as hard.
But people would understand
Because half of the people in the pews would also be listening to the game.
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I Can't Wait, Can't Wait
just have to remember we’ll have like 15 minutes of pregame once we get to the bottom of the hour …..
Good LORD JJ
Lean forward for the first down…ugh
Well He Didn't Have Happy Feet On That Play
stood tall in the pocket and was thinking pass, pass, pass long before he took off. I’ll take that in the first series of this game on the road.
I thought it was fine
He danced back when he probably had the forward progress for the 1st, and got dropped short.
Either He Didn't Know Where The Firstdown
was or he didn’t want to take that hit, cause he had it until he stepped backwards.
Both are bad
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Ugh, two 3rd and 10s in a row
Please no “3rd and Chavis” stuff
When You Got A QB That Isn't Very Good
how the heck do you lose the TE on any play, much less 3rd down?
3rd and long...
…again. Gotta get a stop here.
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can we hire danielson?
he knows what every team is going to do all the time.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions
This conservative play calling is getting stupid
Too predictable
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Why?
Why go to our least effective offense deep in our own territory?
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yep.
saw the pressure coming. sent it where only his guy could get it.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Another three and out
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The screw job is on early, eh?
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Of course they are
I’m just trying to stir the pot early. It’s what I do.
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In other news
Stansbury’s’ beating Oregon 10-0 early.
That one was just waiting to happen
The comps to the 2002 Ohio State “magic” were just off…that team was way more talented.
GREAT JOB D!!
Front four is showing up today
Great defensive series
The big 2nd down run was almost a blessing because it telegraphed the run on third down
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YES!!!!
Great job by Jefferson under pressure
That was all on LSU
Bama’s defense didn’t stop us, that series was self inflicted
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WOW! Special teams coming through
Punting it safely out of our endzone last time, downing at the one this time. A+
great punt.
would have rathered a great 3rd down conversion, but i guess we take what we can get.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions
Lesson from this drive:
Don’t get cute. Just run the damn offense. That was a cover-your-eyes awful series of plays, entirely because of disorganization. Stop it. Just play.
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That was a coverage play, forcing the 4th down
Defense, you’re doing a damn good job!
Hopefully this goes a little better than our last start inside the 10
Run run pass punt?
GET IT TOGETHER, OFFENSE
These penalties are ridiculous. We had the formation penalty inside the 10 last time too. This is absurd.
A+ for Jefferson so far
Pulling it down there and knowing the pocket was collapsing. I am beginning to like his instincts! World of difference vs the Florida game
GREAT SCOTT!
Up the middle too, who’da thunk it?
Jefferson is having an outstanding day
This is very very impressive
But a Bama fan told me...
… that Jefferson’s improvement wasn’t real because Auburn and Tulane suck.
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Great drive
Actually, both QB’s are playing great. Who knew?
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I hope he's okay
I hate it when pro prospects come back and get hurt. He’s a potential first round pick.
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The result was worse in '07
At least he didn’t score!
Spec teams still playing very well
Not really great defense
More like McElroy remembering he is McElroy.
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Let's respond!
Let’s get a TD before I have to leave!
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wow.
definitely living up to the ‘defensive battle of wills’ billing.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions
Is the replay working yet?
I don’t think they’ve said it is…just curious, in case that pass popped up and got picked.
Got bailed out by McElroy there
Whatever, I’ll take it. Punt time!
Why run that option to the short side of the field?
Are we conceding the half here??
looks to just have the wind knocked out of him.
he can raise his arms…usually a good sign
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions
WOW, great timing, Mr Danny McCray
Special teams coming through
We had AWFUL field position all half, hopefully that changes
Our one TD drive was 91 yards
Do we have to switch to the second half thread?
This thread is doing very well for us. It is sending positive energy to our Tigers.
Agreed...this thread is far from being overloaded
Not even 200 comments yet
1st half stats
Total yards: LSU 155, Bama 208
Rushing : LSU 52, Bama 56
Yards per carry: LSU 3.3, Bama 5.1
Passing: LSU 103, Bama 152
Yards per attempt: LSU 7.4, Bama 6.1
3rd downs: Both teams 2-7
Mark Ingram, Heisman candidate – 7 runs for 30 yards, including one 25 yarder.
Penalties killed a couple of our drives early, but we looked to get the momentum going late. D is bending a bit, but I like the job they’ve done in an extremely tough environment. 3 points yielded in the half to the #2 team in the country on the road is worthy of high praise.
Stats point to Bama
but their continuing problems in the Red Zone have kept them down. Many of their “continuing problems” are caused by our Defense.
Stats were even if not for the last drive
When we went into that prevent and gave up a few too many yards before we forced McElroy into that stupid pick.
We’ve gotten away with a few, for sure, but there are elements we can improve as well.
2nd half things you want to se?
Mine:
1. Use the middle of the field in the passing game
2. Stop trying to pound chuck up against Cody
3. More pressure on McElroy
I don't mind going right at 'em
Even if we’re only getting 3 a pop in there, we can’t let them take the whole thing away. So far we’ve done a solid job
Oh and otherwise
1) Agreed on the middle of the field, figured Dickson would be more involved down the middle
2) Want to see continued pressure on McElroy, just hit him. Jar him. Keep it up, even if we don’t get sacks.
3) More Shepard!!!
There we go...
LSU promoting the design school…very nice.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions
Good play by McElroy there, getting out of the pressure.
And then just like that Ingram squeezes through for 6.
Ugh, tighten up guys!
little worried
that they will pound the run game.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions
Ingram, Ingram, Ingram
Pass and two runs…come ON D!
What the hell is going on?
McElroy making some mistakes so naturally they come out with the run, and we just don’t adjust.
That's horrible defense right there
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So we go man coverage
and they run all over us and we stay with it?
OH dammit
We can’t have drops like that, Charles
Oh, Dickson is out today
Didn’t realize that
Converted a 3rd and 4
Now 3rd and 3 coming up…at least we’re putting makeable situations.
Another first down
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I want to see Jefferson
give the recievers a chance to run after catch
Gotta learn to take a sack there, JJ
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Oh no
I hope JJ is okay. Putting Lee in there is conceding the game.
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Against Tulane
I know. I was there.
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Boy if we're gonna have Lee in there
I would not think we’d want him in an empty backfield
3rd and 25 and we burn 2 t.o.'s
bad clock management rears its head again
Got to hope here
Lee needs to shake off his past in a big game.
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A flag...
This is coming back.
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So undisciplined
I’d be making them run steps on Monday.
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Lack of discipline on the line will do that
It’s really baffling.
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good punt at least.
now D needs to crack down.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 4:57 PM CST reply actions
COME ON D!
Let’s get another 3rd down stop!
Got bailed out by a Jones drop just like Bama got bailed out by our false start on 4th down
Safety!
Put two on the board.
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YES DEFENSE!!
FINALLY pressure when we needed it the most!!!
More injuries
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What an outstanding lean by Scott
Look at us, running up the gut on 3rd and 4!
Oh no
Not him too…
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Classy Bama fans
Booing our injured. It’s not like we’re stopping the clock with 2 minutes left with fake injuries.
Wow, a "Bullshit" chant
Can’t they see our starting QB actually IS out after his injury?
What a bunch of cocksuckers. I hate Bama.
Between the penalties and player injuries...
…they’d better win this game. This is insane.
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Scott injury looks serious
Boy, then we line up with Trindon at tailback…yuck
Touchdown!
Put six on the board!
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RIDLEY!!!!
TOUCHDOWWWWWNN!!!
Great burst outside!!!!
Oh why go for two?
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Yep
Scott’s season is done.
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Collar bone injury
Pretty much assures it.
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Gotta do better with the stops
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McElroy nailed again after the throw
At least we’re still getting to him
They can't stop Ingram
Newsflash. He’s good. You need to stop the run.
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Again
Jesus H. Christ. Put everything to stopping the line.
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*stopping the run
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i mean
you know the game is going to go back and forth…but man it’s stressful.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:20 PM CST reply actions
Hell, compared to what we were all expecting going into the Georgia game
We’ve acquitted ourselves mighty well on the whole
true...
but my heart rhythm does not hear you. :)
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
petersen is a beast
and playing through something painful.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:26 PM CST reply actions
my couch view
makes me suspect that he is telling them it is cramps but may in fact be an actual injury in order to stay in.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Sigh of relief....still up 2
Can we ask for just one TD drive out of this offense? Tall task against this D, I know
shep.
for not being that big he really isnt afraid to take a hit.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions
UGH, stuffed
3 and out is exactly what we did not need.
Well then.
No peterson, this time they go to Julio
Game over
Saban > Miles
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why saban>miles
because sabans team has less injures?
Les Miles couldn't have won a national title without Saban's recruits
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Oh Lord, let's not start this now
Both are great coaches
They both are
But Saban gets the edge imho.
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I think it is time for me to leave....
if we believe that losing to the number three team in the country, with the number of injuries that we have experienced, reflects that negatively on our coach, then hopefully we are all perfect in our personal lives.
our O has to score and take a lot of time to do it
our d is gassed bad
Lee once again proves why he never should have gotten another chance in the SEC
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that last one wasn't his fault.
that’s o line
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Throw it away, at least
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Not if you throw it at someone
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You are asking a lot when he was severely under pressure
Risking a pick, too
Don't get me wrong...it was bad.
But Jefferson has done the same thing 10 times this season. That’s just young QBs.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
So undisciplined
I say it again. They would be running steps.
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going to be close
let’s hope these officials make the right call.
by janepriceestrada on Nov 7, 2009 5:54 PM CST reply actions
Come on, now...they've been making the right calls all game
It’s our own discipline issues which are to blame for any penalty differential.
These refs have called a very good game, IMO
I knew it
The screw job was on from the start.
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That was a bad call, imo
" If you're going to be accused of something, being accused of being a nice guy is not the worst thing to be accused of."
Mark Richt (November 3, 2009)
Very horrible call
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That call was so bad
I’m speechless.
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LSU was robbed!
Fire all SEC refs.
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He clearly had both feet inbounds.
That was an interception in the NFL.
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Honestly, the SEC is rigged
They want Bama and UF in that title game.
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Don't be silly
It was a bad call. Just leave it at that. There is not secret plots by the Illumnati for a UF-Bama championship game.
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Disagree
It’s too much of a coincidence that both teams have benefited enormously from officiating support (i.e. too many bad calls in their favor).
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I hate Lee so much
He should have been cut after last season. And send Les Miles with him.
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Dude, you're just being idiotic now
We’ll still be favored to finish this season 10-2. Fire Miles? Good God.
Saban > Miles
This game proved it.
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I bet you are one of those LSU fans
that hates USC for some inexplicable reason.
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I hate USC
I hate them because the media won’t stop talking about how great they are.
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I don't hate JL
I find it pretty disturbing you do. You personally hate a player who gives (literally) his blood sweat and tears for a team you claim to root for? Honestly, I wish LSU didn’t have fans like you.
And fire Les Miles? Really?
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I don't doubt that Lee cares about LSU
The guy should be starting in an FCS team. He just doesn’t have the skills to be successful here.
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Geez :(
" If you're going to be accused of something, being accused of being a nice guy is not the worst thing to be accused of."
Mark Richt (November 3, 2009)
Well, I find some consolation in the fact that
Notre Dame lost to Navy! :)
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Go Vandy!
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SEC refs can go to hell
Way to hand it to Bama with at least 4 bad calls against the Tigers. I can’t think of a single bad call in favor of the Tigers. Anyone?
1. First possession of the game, Jefferson easily had the first down but they marked it behind the line. This one was obvious.
2. Helmet to the chest of Jefferson in first half, not called.
3. Peterson’s obvious interception in the 4th, reviewed and not awarded.
4. Facemask by Bama lineman on 1st down of LSU’s last possession to get the sack on Lee.
These were all HUGE and all went against LSU. I can’t think of any others but I think there might be more. Any additions? Any bad calls in LSU’s favor?
The first throw of the game to Peek definitely looked like a catch to me. Looked like peek had it firmly grasped in one hand, and the ground caused him to fumble it. Danielson said he thought it was incomplete, but whatever. They didn’t look at it very in depth from what I saw.
It definitely looked like you guys tapped the ball around the 2 causing it to roll down to the ?? inch line on the possession that lead to a safety. That was a pretty big miss if what I saw was correct.
No tivo, so I couldn’t go back and look myself. But those are two that I thought the refs got wrong for your benefit. And as far as #2, what exactly is the rule on that? I thought they just protected them from late hits and hits to the QB’s helmet.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I think that was a late hit
If the ball is clearly out and you lower your head like he did, it’s a late hit. If he had just let his momentum carry him into Jefferson he probably would’ve been fine, but he lowered his head. Wow this sucks.
If I recall right, it was definitely after the release, but close enough where it’s one of those plays that can go either way. Danielson was only bringing up the lowered helmet though, which as I said I don’t really know the rule on. You guys are probably right, and it should have been a penalty.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Thanks for your input
I’m really trying to be objective with this so I want input from both sides.
As far as #2, the second guy to Jefferson went very clearly head first in a spearing motion. The way I understand it, that’s a personal foul and that’s the way the CBS commentators saw it too. Anyone else have anything definitive on this play?
Apparently at the beginning of the game they had tech problems with the replay booth so my #1 and your Peek possible catch couldn’t be reviewed.
I'm not 100% sure on the rule
But I think you have to take the catch all the way to the ground or it doesn’t count. It’s not like a fumble where a ground cause gets blown dead. I believe this happened when Oakland played San Diego on Monday night earlier this year, but maybe NFL and college have different rules on it.
True, but that only applies until you establish possession. If I recall correctly, he caught the ball in bounds and got knocked out of bounds so that when the ball came out he had already take a few steps with the ball in hand.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
If you lead with the crown of the helmet,
it’s spearing. That was a definite personal foul penalty that wasn’t called.
The Peterson was the other one that was a clear (to me) missed call. The others could have been called, but I can see why they were missed.
No excuses though. LSU had a chance to win this game, but injuries and execution cost us the game, not the officials. Credit to Bama (damn, I hate saying that) for playing a great game.
CHAD JONES! WOOOO!!!!
They did play well
But I come out of that feeling like LSU is the better team. Also I think that the first possession of the game, that spot was inexcusably bad.
Jefferson fought for more yards after he passed the line and ended up losing yards. Check the replay if you don’t believe me.
Also, I guess Bama should make a case about:
(1) the Smelley catch that was clearly in bounds but no review available b/c technical difficulties (OMG CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! THEY HATE BAMA!!!!! FIRE THE REFS!!!!)
(2) the countless no-holding calls by LSU’s offensive line (Ended up not being an issue b/c we knocked the shit out of your QB eventually.)
(3) Lack of pass interference calls by LSU’s secondary. (We finally got one called late in the game.)
Whining about the refs can go both ways, kids.
I gave 4 clear cut cases and you retort with 1 (I’d like to hear from a less biased commentator on this one given your tone) and a couple of wishy washy gripes that any team can make any game.
Your last condescending statement really just diminishes any point you might be trying to make.
Neither of us have a bias, right?
I could cut up the game film to show holds and PIs, but I don’t have the time nor the desire. My point is your arguments are moot.
And your “a couple of wishy washy gripes that any team can make any game” statement actually furthers my argument concerning calls that ANY fan can complain over. Which is exactly the cue: you are the fan making “wishy washy gripes.”
QED.
Thanks. You guys played pretty well too given all the injuries you had. It was crazy how many of your players got hurt. Hope it was nothing serious for them.
I won’t deny that we got some nice breaks with the officiating, but I don’t think it was anywhere near as bad as the Arkansas/Florida game. Most of them were close judgment calls. It’s not like you guys haven’t gotten a major break on a blatant horrible call (2004 no call on PI in your end zone) or close ones (DJ hall catch overturned in 2007?).
In a perfectly refereed game I think Bama still wins. Anyway, to Bengal and others who are taking it like men, well played. Good luck on your remaining games, and we’ll see ya next year. To those that want to cry about the officiating, your tears sustain us :P
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
And they sucked in the red zone
You’re a moron.
I wasn’t watching LSU’s O-line super close, but I did see Bama’s line hold a ton, and I heard elsewhere that LSU’s line was holding a lot too, which wouldn’t surprise me. If I remember correctly they didn’t call a single holding penalty, which is rare in any game.
As for the P.I. calls, you clearly have no idea how those are called. If the corner is playing the ball, he has just as much of a right to the ball as the receiver does. I think there was one that would’ve been P.I. but it was overthrown big time, and we got the short end of the stick on one of those too. The rest of the one’s that I saw the corner/safety was looking at the ball, and their feet got tangled up. That’s not P.I.
Also
I hope Les Miles rips into the refs, screw suspensions and fines, we got hosed. That replay official should never work another game.
Cry it out. Jarrett Lee would have thrown a pick afterwards anyway. He called it as close as he could see it. I’d be bitter about how my team fell apart rather than the officials. But that would also mean that you were a sportsmen, which is out of the question.
I never said it guaranteed a win
But it certainly was a huge call, and it essentially took away our chance to win. And to be perfectly honest, you are the least sporting person I’ve seen commenting after the game.
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