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Another Ugly Win: LSU 65 Rice 61


Ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly.  That's LSU right now.  Our eight wins have been ugly, our 2 losses have been uglier.  That's been our style this year.

And the fans are giving the team this year a big thumbs-down.  No, the fans aren't littering TigerDroppings with flames and criticism.  Instead, LSU fans are doing the ultimate display of disapproval: not showing up.

Rice did a great job eliminating Taz and Storm.  Mitchell had just 10 points, and Storm had just 11.  Mitchell did grab 12 rebounds, while Warren was a rebound away from his eighth double-double of the season.

So who stepped up?  Bo did.  Spencer scored 22 points in typical Bo Spencer fashion.  He made 4 three pointers.

Who else stepped up?  The true frosh, Dotson and Ludwig.

Dotson, who's been cold all season long, stepped up and posted a season-high 10 points.  He also added 5 rebounds and 3 assists, and he didn't turn the ball over.

Ludwig got into foul trouble, and thus has limited minutes, but he made the most of them, scoring 9 points, grabbing 5 boards, and blocking a shot, all in just 15 minutes.  Ludwig made both of his field goal attempts and was 5-6 from the free throw line.

These are the kind of performances we needed from them.  Those numbers are not superstar numbers.  They're not numbers that will impress anybody.  They are what they are: solid bench numbers.  That's what the rest of the bench guys (forgive me, I refer to everyone that's not Taz, Bo or Storm as a "bench guy") should aspire to.  If Bass, Kinsley, Harris (only played one minute, still recovering from injury) and Green all put up 6 points or so a game, we'd be a great team.

NTBS points (non-Taz-Bo-Storm points): 22.  A solid performance indeed, and a much-needed one, because Taz and Storm both had down days.

So LSU fans see a team that is ugly, but improving.  That is, of course, if they're watching.

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"bench guys"

Good description. It’s similar to what I was saying on another post, but Southern Man and, um, Jrlz didn’t want to agree with me.

We simply don’t yet have the level of play from 5 guys to qualify as a legit starting 5 for a competitive team, even in the SEC. That’s why we’re struggling to beat cupcakes.

by uberschuck on Dec 19, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions  

NO

we disagreed with you saying that LSU was ‘just a bad team’ and I believe we both made the point that LSU lacked depth and experience so any lofty expectations this year are unfounded.

However, I still believe that we can get to post season but it may be next year before we have the depth and experience to compete.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 19, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

And to have done what he did last year has to tell you the guy can coach!

Further, we should be happy to be 8-2, with what we’ve got that is a great record.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 19, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

but it's less great

when you look at who we’ve played

by ORtigerfan on Dec 20, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

True

but again, we have to temper our expectations this year, IMHO.

I’ll be happy if we make the NIT this year.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 21, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Several responses in one

1) I think Johnson is a very good coach. Brady didn’t leave him empty handed. I think recruiting good talent was actually Brady’s strength (Stromile Swift, Jabari Smith, Ronald Dupree, Tyrus Thomas, Glen Davis, and Anthony Randolph all went to the NBA for at least a couple seasons, and most of them are still there). Johnson was good at Nevada and Stanford, and the fact that he seamlessly picked up the team last year is a testament to his coaching ability. Last season we were stocked with seniors, so we’re sort of holding the bag this year with too many underclassmen. These things happen.

2) It will be a struggle this year. It’s not because I think we have no talent, or because I think we’re a “bad team,” as Southern Man misquotes me as saying. I said we’re just not that good of a team. The proof is on my side. 8-2 is a good start to the season in terms of W-L, but when we’re beating cupcake teams by 5 or less, WE’RE JUST NOT THAT GOOD OF A TEAM. Since “that good” is vague, I’ll define it as a team worthy of an at large bid to the NCAA tournament. A team good enough to earn an at-large bid is a team that should be beating Nipples State and Rice by 15 points each. Instead, our horses are having to play 35+ minutes against these cupcakes because we need them to hit game winners in the last minute.

3) Recapitulating my point from a previous post, I disagreed with the explanation that we’re just “rusty.” The experienced guys aren’t rusty. They’re stat machines. Our top three players average 15 ppg. They are not rusty. If this were a 3 on 3 tournament, we’d be a juggernaut. You can’t say the other guys are rusty because they’re not playing worse than we’re accustomed to seeing them play. They simply have not developed into the caliber of players needed to make this a good team.

4) Postseason? Well, I don’t know. Being a couple games over .500 will get us into the NIT, and that’s reasonable. I’ll have a better grip on this team by the end of January. Right now, I can’t see this team winning 10 SEC games. But I have no idea if we’ll win 7-9 SEC games, or if we’ll struggle and lose 10 or more SEC games. Although the SEC only has one elite team, there are several pretty good teams.

by uberschuck on Dec 20, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

Ubershuck

I know it has become easy to make me the bad guy at ATVS but you need to stop using me as your punching bag.

I did not misquote you, I paraphrased but your exact words were “these guys are not very good” – I just gave my .02 then you drug me into this post and keep pounding. I personally think saying that “these guys are not very good” is harsh judgment based on what we have to work with. Johnson inherited a good group of seniors and not much beyond that. (Where would we be had Taz gone pro?) With the class coming in and a little experience for the talent we do have and this team will be fine.

I just don’t think we should expect to win the SEC or make a big postseason run this year.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 21, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

“Instead, LSU fans are doing the ultimate display of disapproval: not showing up.” To be fair, they’ve been doing that pretty much every year since I can remember. I have attended several nonconference mid-December gameswith my 500 closest friends, where there are more LSU students in the court than in the stands.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Dec 21, 2009 8:07 AM CST reply actions  

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