Thoughts On the Title Games

by Poseur on Dec 6, 2009 12:42 PM CST in Football Comment 43 comments

On the one hand, it was a great weekend of football. Starting with Oregon-Oregon St on Thursday, college football finally gave us a terrific weekend of games. As a football fan, I should be happy. As an LSU fan, I'm disappointed by the result of the two marquee games.

I've always been sort of agnostic to Alabama. I enjoy Tuscaloosa and it's always been one of my favorite road trips. I admire Alabama's program and let's face it, they are one of the most successful programs in history. Sure, they may have a strong whiff of arrogance and not a little bit of corruption, but they have a pretty full trophy case. I've always wanted to beat Alabama, but more as a measuring stick than a matter of hatred.

Then, the Bama game happened and ever since, our little corner of the blogosphere has been overrun by Alabama trolls. I'm not talking about longtime commentators like Gerry Dorsey, who may be a bit of a stick in the mud, but he's always up for honest debate. I'm talking about the nonstop parade of trolls with nothing more intelligent to say then some variant of "BAMA RULZ! LSU SUX!"* And my hatred towards Bama sort of came to a head this season. We had more Bama trolls on here than Ole Miss fans after the Ole Miss game, which sort of speaks to the sheer level of trolling. Alabama is the first fanbase that has ever prompted this site to post a general warning to an entire team's fanbase.

*ED NOTE - If you are a troll and you have been banned from this site over the past month, I did it. That's right. Me. My email is at the bottom of the page, send me your hate mail. You suck, and I don't regret for a second banning any of you.

Which means I hate 2009 Alabama more than any team in the nation. More than Tennessee and Lane Kiffin's big mouth. More than the infuriating Rebels, who were overrated like I said in the preseason, but still beat us so I can't really talk smack about. More than Auburn, who just suck because they are Auburn.

But Alabama went out there and beat the snot out of Florida. They deserved the title, no ifs ands or buts. That was a thorough ass-kicking. Congratulations, Bama fan fans. You are champions, but it doesn't mean you still aren't douchebags.

But the game that really got my goat was Texas-Nebraska. I root for Nebraska in the sense that Husker fans have always been cool to LSU in Omaha and they have former LSU Defensive Co-ordinator Bo Pelini as their coach. I would've rooted for Nebraska against almost anyone in the Big 12.

I have my problems with Texas this year. Their OOC schedule is absolutely terrible, and they play in a conference that, through no fault of Texas, is probably the worst of the BCS conferences this season. Yet they get to go to the BCS conference game despite the fact TCU and Cincinnati both have looked better against schedules that may have been tougher. (Texas advantage in SOS over TCU is entirely because the dregs of their schedule are better than the dregs of TCU's schedule, which is no way to gauge a schedule). The BCS is grossly unfair and it's excluding teams on simply a guess.

The officiating in the game wasn't terrible, but it did seem every close call went to Texas. It wasn't simply missing calls, it was just giving the benefit of the doubt to Texas. The problem here is the idea of conference affiliated refs, raising the appearance of a vested interest of the conference to have one team win. I don't think they called a bad game, but things like the pass interference call were borderline calls that went Texas' way.

Here's where my LSU fandom comes in. The officials reviewed the last play of the Texas game, and put a second back on the clock. Hell, you KNEW they were gonna put a second back on the clock by the way the officials were reacting to the Huskers celebrating. I figure it takes a second for a scoreboard operator to stop the clock, and the ball went out of bounds at :01, which means that it was a perfectly reasonable for the clock to run out.

But my question is, where was the review in the LSU-Ole Miss game? Terrance Toliver was down with 3 seconds left, yet the clock ran to :01. I remember a little bit of kvetching from the Tiger faithful, but not a huge outcry (and certainly not like the Alabama game). Hey, the clock runs an extra second or two on almost every play. We're not going to review every one. It would kill the game.

Here's the rub, the officials absolutely screwed up in one of these two games. They cannot be right in both cases. Either the officials in LSU-OM screwed up in not reviewing the play and putting those 2 seconds back on the clock or the officials in the Big 12 title game screwed up by putting the second back. It's the same exact situation with completely opposite outcomes. One set of officials was wrong because they both can't be right. They have diametrically opposed outcomes from the same situation. They cannot both be right. All I will say, in one game, the conference had a vested interest in one team winning.

It's not impropriety, sometimes it's just the appearance of impropriety. Because I know a conference would never favor one team over another if it were in the conference's best interests. We know they are all paragons of virtue. I trust them completely, don't you?

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hahahaha...thanks...i think??

flattered to make the post, but even more flattered to not be lumped in with the dipshits who do what you’re talking about.

my motto has always been “the problem with talking shit, is sometimes you end up eating your words.”

by gerry dorsey on Dec 6, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Gerry...

… you remind me that I used to not hate all Bama fans. There have been some good Bama fans, and many have posted on here for a long time, but you’re getting lumped in with the company you’re keeping (not intentional, I know, it’s not your fault there have been so many Bama trolls). I, for the life of me, do not understand why Bama fans were on this site trolling after the Ole Miss game.

Had it not been for the Great Troll Infestation of 2009, I would have rooted for Bama in the SEC and National Title Game. Instead, I’m hoping you guys lose by 90. Nothing personal.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com

by Poseur on Dec 6, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well my personal feeling is...

…hating a team because of their fanbase is a really NFL thing to do. college football fans are a lot better than that. at the end of the day, even though i loath auburn and everything it represents, i’ve got more in common with a fan of the team than most other folks.

your pre-2009 description of how you felt about the alabama fanbase fits pretty well into how i view LSU. and that’s doubly unusual since i’m from louisiana and fled to the yellow hammer state to get as far away from it as i could at the time. so there’s not really as personal aspect to my animosity to LSU (i’m likely related to some of you guys at some point) but since i know it’s gonna be tough game it always gets my blood boiling. it’s a truly enjoyable rivalry.

the success of alabama these last two years have brought a lot of people out of the woodwork and onto the bandwagon that we aren’t particularly proud of. but that’s part of what happens when a team starts winning with regularity. which is why the cyclical nature of college football is such a boon. you don’t change teams, you stick with them all the way. if you don’t… well, i’m sure you could become a packers fan or something. (and let me tell you, there were a ton of these dingleberries hanging off your guys ass not so long ago.)

i had a lot of friends of mine from florida say they were happy that alabama won saturday because it “finally shut the damn gator fans up.” if alabama keeps winning, our version of these fans will become insufferable before long as well. and if you want to see them taken down a notch or two with a big faceplant – that’s understandable.

so when you bring out that big brush to paint us with don’t forget there are a lot of us Alabama fans not quite as loud or persistent with the “enter” key that really believe in this team and this program like you do with the tigers. we were here long before the jerkwads and we’ll still be around when they trade in their window flags to whoever won the superbowl some given year down the road.

Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.

by kleph on Dec 6, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't help but remember

being in Tuscaloosa.

After the game, every other Bama fan was telling me that my team was going downhill. One joked that he would sell me tickets to the Independence Bowl.

What I don’t get is how some Bama fans are so obsessed with some gigantic downfall of LSU. It seemed they were prouder of the fact that LSU lost than the fact that Bama won.

One thing I can’t stand about LSU fans right now- a Saban loss is worth as much as an LSU win. Personally, I don’t feel much extra hatred towards Saban than I do towards Meyer or any other rival SEC West coach- Nutt, Petrino, Chizik. Maybe it was because I didn’t really start following LSU seriously until 2006, when I decided I was going to attend LSU.

I want Bama fans to stop obsessing over Les Miles. I want LSU fans to stop obsessing over Nick Saban. Is that too much to ask?

Jrlz rhymes with Charles.

by Jrlz on Dec 6, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"A Saban loss is worth as much as an LSU win."

And unfortunately, it seems like an Alabama win is as bad as an LSU loss…

by Ianoka on Dec 7, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And this is why

I have been on such a soap box for Miles. He didn’t help with the Ole Miss game but the obsession with Saban is ruining a lot of LSU fans.

We (as a fan base) HAVE to let it go and I have thought for several years now that Miles has not gotten a fair shake because of the Saban separation-anxiety syndrome.

To be honest, up until the Ole Miss debacle it was not very prevalent here at the Valley but man, we all just exploded after that.

Now, looking at the big picture again, and assuming the McCarthy thing plays out like we expect it to, I think Miles has acquitted himself very well so far in the wake of it all.

Next game, similar circumstances – executed flawlessly = Win the Game, still going to CapOne bowl.

Larry Porter, our consensuses no.1 assistant leaves for head coaching job; we are all very concerned about recruiting and filling Porter’s position and ‘ta-da’ Frank Wilson is hired (who frankly – pardon the pun – might be an upgrade as a coach AND a recruiter) and he’s bringing at least one, probably a few top recruits with him. (The fact that they are being pilfered from UT, in light of last year with JJackson is just extra credit)

We are STILL in line for a top-five recruiting class that if we can pull off one or two targets will become a top two or even no.1 class, yet again.

But now, the big thing will be that Saban more than likely will bring Bama to the top of the Mountain this year, and as much as I didn’t want that to happen before Miles got his second, it was inevitable.

What it should not do is have ANY bearing on Miles or LSU, frankly I’m kind of glad they beat the piss out of Tebow and Florida – they had it coming – but we all knew Bama was going to be our competition for the West (and the Nation for that matter) for the foreseeable future. That hasn’t changed.

And neither has the fact that we have a (insert d word) fine football coach!

(Sorry if I’m preaching but I just wanted to get that out!!)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 6:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haven't you vented enough? Geez, lol.

To be honest, up until the Ole Miss debacle it was not very prevalent here at the Valley but man, we all just exploded after that.

Reasonably so, I mean come on man, most of us here at ATVS are very rational and even tempered, but the last minute of that game was worth a meltdown. If Mack (Brown) had FXUPED Texas’s Championship game you would have heard a loud boom coming from the heart of Texas.

Most of us here want to keep Miles; hell most of us even love Miles as a person, but he is culpable just like any other coach. So if you can stop painting the majority of us as Saban-loving-delusional-idiots-who-deserve-to-rot-in-HELLLLLL? (I don’t even like Saban). That’s whats infuriating about the tone of your posts, that and your apparent disability that prevents you from operating the reply function properly (which amazes me because you seem capable over at the Bleacher Report); not really your need to defend Miles all the time.

Just be easy, your concerns are misguided here at ATVS.

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude

Did you even read my post?

I said very clearly that up until the Ole Miss game this had not been an issue here and that Miles didn’t help very much with the ole miss game.

I then made a very reasonable case that he has done very well in the wake.

Maybe I’m not the one with the tone issue?

Oh, and I have never told anybody to go to the mythical place of torment (or said they deserved to be there or whatever) as I don’t speak that way, nor do I believe in hell. So, you (or somebody that piled on) got all over me about ‘putting words’ in your mouth; that goes both ways, don’t you think?

Thanks – SM

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

moving on

we all knew Bama was going to be our competition for the West (and the Nation for that matter) for the foreseeable future. That hasn’t changed.

absolutely true and this is why miles does not have the benefit of the doubt with many fans

by ORtigerfan on Dec 8, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nor would ANY Coach we could have hired.

Miles didn’t kick Saban out, Saban left. (and he aint coming back)

IMHO Miles has earned the benefit of the doubt, EVEN with the Ole Miss and recent investegation issues. I just hope we let him do his thing, because we are going to be just fine.

Honestly, if JJ is just a little bit better next year we are going to be scary good!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lol, whatever.

Yes I read it and I even quoted it. I’m trying to extend a peace offering. If you haven’t noticed pretty much everyone else here has avoided much conversation with you. I’m trying to appeal to your more sensible side. You are the one who admitted the environment here at ATVS is pretty temperate. You can’t see this as a peace offering and a chance to bury this issue here because you are far too sensitive.

And what are you thanking me for?

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Dec 8, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever, indeed.

There was nothing attacking about my post.

I was responding to Jrlz and then Ianoka who said “A Saban Win is as bad as an LSU loss” to some LSU fans, to wit I pointed out that his point is part of the reason I have been as defensive of Miles as I have. It wasn’t a vent nor was it an attack, I was trying to add to the discussion. I made no inference toward you or anybody at ATVS and went out of my way to make that clear.

I don’t know why its such a bad thing for me to have OUR coaches back so I don’t know what you mean when you say you are ‘appealing to my more sensible side’, as if I’m some psycho.

I’m not, I am a very reasonable and patient person and frankly I don’t shift my opinions or principles very easily or without good reason.

I post at ATVS (after silently following the blog for over two years) BECAUSE I find most of the debate to be reasoned and sensible, if I’m not welcome here (and I do wonder) I’ll leave.

I don’t like to get into name calling banter because it is useless, on the other hand, I’m a big boy and will defend myself or my team (and my coach) when need be.

Normally the Les bashing (which I deal with a TON of at Bleacher Report) comes from jerks like Larry Burton and other wac-job bama fans so I may be overly sensitive to it but if you don’t think this blog went spider monkey crazy with the ‘we hate Les/Off with his head’ bashing then you have a VERY selective memory.

We don’t have to rehash why—I know—I bought the tee-shirt. But just as I was on my soap box; you, my fine Tiger Brother, were on yours.

If you want to bury the hatchet just drop it and don’t kick me every time I post something that includes the words Les or Miles.

Thanks again – SM

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice try to turn this on me..

I’m done with trying to reason with you. no one cares much if you go on about Miles, but do expect to get your ass handed to you (figuratively) when you try to paint us all in an irrational light.

but if you don’t think this blog went spider monkey crazy with the ‘we hate Les/Off with his head’ bashing then you have a VERY selective memory.

You definitely don’t have a good perspective on this. ATVS had a minor meltdown compared to other Tiger sites, and we’ve been over it (for awhile now), but whatever.

Final Analysis: you’re going to preach to us it’s what you do; go ahead get your fill to your hearts extent.

Thanks again

Don’t mention it.

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Dec 8, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FIRST

I didn’t initiate ANY contact with you.

Second, I was not painting ANYBODY on ATVS in any irrational light in my post above and didn’t bring up the meltdown until you started hitting me over the head with it, yet again!

If you don’t like me or don’t want to discuss things with me then LEAVE ME THE HECK ALONE!!!!!

I AM NOT SEEKING YOU OUT, I DID NOT START THIS AND I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF ME, JUST STOP TALKING TO ME IF I’M SUCH AN INSUFERABLE BASTARD!!!!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 9, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

RBR...

… I actually enjoy the blog, I think its one of the very best SB Nation sites. And my animosity is in no way directed at anything that goes on there. I do mind the trolls which have come over onto our site. My personal rule is you can pretty much say whatever you want on your own board, but act like a guest when visiting a rival’s site. And I hopefully made it clear it wasn’t all Bama fans I hate, it’s just the sheer volume of trolls we have gotten, all from Alabama. Yes, it’s unfair for me to hold it against you, but that’s the way it goes. Bama trolls have been a huge problem on this site.

Jrlz nails it:

What I don’t get is how some Bama fans are so obsessed with some gigantic downfall of LSU. It seemed they were prouder of the fact that LSU lost than the fact that Bama won.

Bama is supposed to be better than that. I’ll admit I hate LSU’s obsession with Saban, but it’s become a two way street. Bama needs to let go of Les Miles and LSU. I hate the whole thing.

Bama fans, more than any other group, have delighted in the “downfall” of LSU and have been extremely vocal about it, particularly on this very site, which I do take personally. I’m not staying up crying about it, but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna turn around and root for you. You can’t shake the devil’s hand and say you’re only kidding.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com

by Poseur on Dec 7, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well, two things...

i prefer free and open participation over being deemed “worthy enough” to participate in a given group’s discussion. i understand your reasoning for taking such a hard stance, but don’t think you are creating any kind of incentive for more reasonable alabama fans to take part in your site here. if we have to be deemed of sufficient caliber to post on ATVS… well, the response you’re going to get is “chuck you farley” in every single instance. and that ain’t an alabama-specific reflex either.

and the obsession with LSU is less a specific animus against the school a la Tennessee or Auburn, than an obsession in being the leading power in the SEC West. fact is, LSU has been the king of the hill on this side of the conference for quite some time and, as a result, you become the biggest target for opposing teams with better aspirations than spending the bowl season in shreveport.

Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.

by kleph on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think its about being deemed worthy enough

Honestly I think ATVS’ policy is not much different from other blogs here, they have just been more vocal about it recently. I know they aren’t the only ones who have banned opposing teams posters for talking shit and acting like fools.

by shelby924 on Dec 7, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We still have lots of Bama fans on here

It’s not a matter of being “worthy enough”, its a matter of simply obeying the rules of the site and not being a troll. And it’s not like the policy to post here is to be pro-LSU. Gerry has been a long time contributor and he’s been a pretty vocal critic of LSU’s program. It’s just that he actually has a real argument and is engaging in real debate.

We’re not silencing criticism, we’re making people abide by the rules of the site, which isn’t too much to ask. We want free and open debate, we just want there to actually be a debate. “You suck” adds nothing. and if it were just one or two guys, we’d just ignore them, but it was dozens.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com

by Poseur on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Big 12 rules

don’t permit the review of the clock in that instance.

Mangino may be a big ole psychopath, but he was dead-on about the close calls (hell, all the calls) going the way of the B12s favored duo. That conference was corrupt from its inception, and it sprang from the corruption of its forebear, I see no reason to think the rot still doesn’t emanate from the top

/not a douchebag.

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch

by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 6, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, Stuck

You’ve also been a good contributor. Let’s face it, if you’re a Bama fan and I have not banned you yet, odds are very high you are not a docuhebag. We’ve been on Defcon One since Novemeber regarding anything in crimson.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com

by Poseur on Dec 6, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sweet

"if you disagree... you are free to point your browser elsewhere."-Kleph

by The Voice of Reason on Dec 7, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Would you mind posting that rule or whatever that interpretation is based on?

I did not know that conferences had any separate officiating rules, but I don’t look that stuff up often so I am willing to be enlightened.

by Paranormal on Dec 6, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The B12 actually posted it

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1522906

not that it helps UT’s case any ~~at all~~.

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch

by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 6, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This..

But my question is, where was the review in the LSU-Ole Miss game? Terrance Toliver was down with 3 seconds left, yet the clock ran to :01. I remember a little bit of kvetching from the Tiger faithful, but not a huge outcry (and certainly not like the Alabama game). Hey, the clock runs an extra second or two on almost every play. We’re not going to review every one. It would kill the game.

You know, I wondered why no one recognized that during the game and asked for a review, or that the review official didn’t think it necessary to review it. IMO that was a bigger snafu by the officials than the ‘incomplete pass’ considering it cost LSU a lay-up of a victory at the end. Texas definitely got our lost time.

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Dec 6, 2009 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

No timeouts...

… LSU couldn’t ask for a review. And the confusion showed that we weren’t capable anyway.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com

by Poseur on Dec 6, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

True. That was just a FXUP on so many levels.

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Dec 6, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here’s the rub, the officials absolutely screwed up in one of these two games. They cannot be right in both cases. Either the officials in LSU-OM screwed up in not reviewing the play and putting those 2 seconds back on the clock or the officials in the Big 12 title game screwed up by putting the second back. It’s the same exact situation with completely opposite outcomes. One set of officials was wrong because they both can’t be right. They have diametrically opposed outcomes from the same situation. They cannot both be right. All I will say, in one game, the conference had a vested interest in one team winning.

For that fact alone is why we need a playoff human nature will always rear its ugly head. I knew the big 12 was a big mess when they invited Baylor into the Conf. over Houston on the heels of the late Ann Richardson lobbying to get the Bears in when they had no real success like U of H had in the SWC. There will always be that thought of corruption from me on anything that happen in the Big 12.

They need to add the tenth of a second to the game clock because the LSU-OLe Miss and Tex-NEB game would have benefited from it.At least took the controversy out of it.

"It is What It Is"

by GeauxDee on Dec 6, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Was it lobbying? I thought it was a more direct “I’m governor or Texas; I can keep you from getting the Horns since they’re a public institution.”

Roses on the West Coast, 11-N.O. on the Gulf Coast!

by AllSaintsDay on Dec 6, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats....

What it was but I was being nice….lol

"It is What It Is"

by GeauxDee on Dec 6, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So, here’s what I’ve noticed:
Nowhere I’ve seen, in either Big 12 rules or NCAA rules, does it allow for reviewing the clock, at all, unless there is an “egregious error.” The example given is of the clock running continually from a touchback until the ensuing first down.

Secondly, despite what people vehemently claim (in either direction) , the rules do not specify whether the clock stops on an event (down for a first down, incomplete pass, &c). However, they definitely put the two on equal footing. There is no basis for saying “Well, stopping the clock to move the chains is a little different.”

Roses on the West Coast, 11-N.O. on the Gulf Coast!

by AllSaintsDay on Dec 6, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

doesn’t the referee keep the clock on the field? If there was “an ‘egregious error.’… of the clock running continually from a touchback until the ensuing first down” then you wouldn’t really be reviewing the clock. The referee would simply say to reset the clock to match what he has on his official watch.

signed,

douchebag alabama fan.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Dec 6, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought so too, but apparently not, given that they had to review it last night.

Mainly, I’m going on the rules saying:

ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable.
However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those
involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes
fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c
and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a).

My conclusion, ultimately, was the same: Either LSU or NU got an incorrect call. I’m just not sure which.

Roses on the West Coast, 11-N.O. on the Gulf Coast!

by AllSaintsDay on Dec 6, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Uhh, sorry, meant this

Team A’s punt bounces untouched into Team B’s end zone for a touchback when the game clock reads 7:35 in the first quarter. Team B will have the ball at its 20-yard line. After the ball is dead, the officials on the field do not notice that the game clock continues to run. When the referee declares the ball ready for play, the game clock reads 6:22. RULING: Although there is no play to review, the replay official may interrupt the game before the ball is snapped and correct the clock error. He instructs the referee to announce that the game clock should be set to 7:35.

Roses on the West Coast, 11-N.O. on the Gulf Coast!

by AllSaintsDay on Dec 6, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NU got hosed

There were some interesting articles around Omaha today, with Pelini confronting Dan Beebe (B12 Commish), apparently, the Commish was just saying “yea, they got the call right” with no explination as to why the B12 violated their own rules.

And, even if we take the “egregios error” standard, this isn’t some supremacy clause argument. The B12s rules govern reviews, not the NCAAs aspirational, general guidelines. And, very simply, those rules do not permit a review of time in that instance. (see below, esp provision 2G (incomplete pass not reviewable) and provision 3F(clock review when play is reversed)

Section 3. Reviewable Plays
Side Line, Goal Line, End Line
Article 1. Reviewable plays governed by a sideline, goal line or an end line include:
a. Scoring plays, including a runner in possession of a live ball breaking the plane of a goal line.
b. A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted at a side line, goal line or an end line.
c. A runner or pass receiver ruled in or out of bounds.
d. Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds in the field of play or an end zone.
Passes
Article 2. Reviewable plays involving passes include:
a. A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted anywhere in the field of play or an end zone.
b. A legal forward pass touched by an ineligible receiver.
c. A legal forward pass touched by a defensive player.
d. A fumble ruled on the part of a potential passer. (Note: If the on-field ruling is forward pass and the pass is incomplete, the play is not reviewable).
e. A forward pass or forward handing ruled when a runner is beyond the line of scrimmage.
f. A forward pass or forward handing ruled after a change of possession.
g. A pass ruled forward or backward when thrown from behind the line of scrimmage. (Exception: If the pass is ruled forward and is incomplete, the play is not reviewable).
Miscellaneous
Article 3. Miscellaneous reviewable plays include:
a. A runner judged to have been not down by rule. (Note: If a runner is ruled down, the play is not reviewable).
b. A runner’s forward progress with respect to a first down.
c. Touching of any type kick by any player.
d. The number of players participating by either team during a live ball.
e. A scrimmage kicker beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is kicked.
f. Clock adjustment when a ruling on the field is reversed.
g. A fumble recovery by a Team A player during fourth down or a try and before any change of possession.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 6, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Conspiracy?

If the Big XII wanted to increase the money it would get from the BCS, shouldn’t calls have favored Nebraska? If Nebraska wins, the Big XII gets 2 teams in BCS bowls and two payouts.

/yet another Alabama douchebag

by rtr on Dec 6, 2009 6:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Real classy post...

This douchebag is still pulling for LSU over Penn State.

"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.

by 12NationalChampionships on Dec 7, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

See..

I was under the impression that the point of reviewing the play, was to insure the correct call was made. Regardless of should or shouldn’t the play be reviewed…the correct call was made. If it hadn’t been reviewed, the shit storm by Texas fans crying “they were screwed” would cover the earth.

"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban

by bammer on Dec 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

On that note

We should be awarded the Old Miss Victory.

That would make us go to the CapOne Bowl!!!

Oh, never mind.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 7, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Any updates on the pay to play thingy mo bobber...

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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 7, 2009 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Not yet

When we know more, we’ll post about it. Rumor is that McCarthy is getting fired sooner rather than later, but that’s still a rumor. It’s not an NCAA investigation at this point, and we’re still waiting on the outcome of the LSU investigation.

We’re not avoiding the story, we just simply don’t know anything. It’s a giant holding pattern.

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by Poseur on Dec 7, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The rules are vague enough

to give the Big 12 cover, though i tend to agree that Nebraska got hosed. In this case, “egregious” meant “anything standing between Texas and the BCS Championship game.” The situation is exacerbated by the pathetic pass interference penalties called on Nebraska all freaking night long.

One of the arguments I’ve heard is that the conference didn’t want Texas to get jobbed out of the game like they did last year with that tie-breaker nonsense. There’s only one problem with that argument—if Texas got jobbed by the tie-breaker, why did the conference decide to leave the tie-break rules unchanged?

(I’m a Bama fan, and I’m not a douchebag.)

by jthomas666 on Dec 7, 2009 3:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The PI calls

Wow. I mean, wow. One of them was absurd, considering the Texas player had given up on the route. It’s probably the first time ever a WR was surprised by a flag on the defense.

No call was so bad as to make you want to riot, but taken as a group, it seemed every close call went to Texas. Nebraska has every right to be pissed, but this is karmic payback for that kick-ball TD against Mizzou 15 years ago.

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by Poseur on Dec 7, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs