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The Ethics of the SEC

The issue goes beyond commitments from high school kids; it goes to the very core of the SEC’s marketing slogan, “75 years of Character.”  LSU’s situation has already been discussed, but the rest of the SEC doesn’t come in with clean hands. 

Take Lance Thompson for example.   Formerly the linebackers coach at Alabama, Thompson took a $125,000 pay raise and headed north to join Lane Kiffin and the Vols.

The problem is that weeks earlier, Thompson had told one of the Tide’s top recruits, A.J. McCarron, “You better not go to Tennessee of all places.”  Thompson failed to heed his own warning.

Speaking about the incident, McCarron stated, “Not Tennessee, and then he ends up at Tennessee.  And he knows the history from his time here as a player, how Alabama hates Tennessee.  But Money talks, I guess."

Interesting take from an 18-year-old.

Tennessee Athletic Director Mike Hamilton took the high road and mandated that Tennessee would honor all of Phil Fulmer’s scholarship offers.  Of course, this came with the tangent that new coach Lane Kiffin was telling the same kids that they wouldn’t fit in the Vols' new system and encouraging them to look elsewhere.

Alabama came under fire for signing 32 players last year, seven over the soft limit of 25.  Alabama's bad press didn't deter Ole Miss, who signed 37 players this year.  Arkansas joined suit in signing 30. 

These high numbers usually mean that a prior recruit will lose a scholarship in order to accommodate the new class. Sometimes it happens naturally due to academic problems or injuries.  Sometimes it does not. 

Flashes of Character

There are still flashes of character in the SEC.  The whisperings around Tigerland are that former LSU co-defensive coordinator Dale Peveto turned down a 200 percent pay increase from Nick Saban and the Tide.  Instead, Peveto choose to stand by his word and fulfill his contract to become the head coach at Northwestern State.

The same can be said of Georgia assistant Rodney Garner, who turned down a $150,000 pay raise from the Vols in order to stay with Mark Richt.

But the main point is that we cannot expect more out of 17-year-olds than we do of our coaches.

When coaches spend time downgrading rival schools instead of selling their own, players take notice.  When coaches change allegiances in a heartbeat, kids pick up on the business aspect of the game.   When coaches pull scholarships, it raises red flags. 

Character and LSU

This directly affects LSU.  Les Miles is not as a good of an X and O’s coach as Nick Saban.  He doesn’t have the flash of Urban Meyer.  LSU sells character.  

The SEC is a competitive league that demands victories.  With the importation of aggressive new coaches, the old style is done.  Saban and Meyer aren’t necessarily concerned about being seen as nice guys.  They have the talent to overcome their character flaws.  Miles is a great coach, but I’m not sure that he shares a similar ability. 

Instead, Miles’ character contributes directly to his success.  His belief in his guys, his stubbornness in play calling, his insistence on doing it the right way; all impact the success he has had at LSU.   

Character is the main banking point when dealing with high school kids.  Miles’ promises are everything to his ability to recruit.    Student-athelets have to believe that Miles has their interest in mind, that they will be watched over and protected at LSU.

It’s easy to take the moral high ground in a hypothetical piece, but that doesn’t necessarily reflect the reality of the situation.  

By its nature, college football recruiting is a shady business.  In college basketball, a verbal commitment raises a white flag and teams usually back off.  In college football, a verbal commitment just lets other teams know who to recruit against. 

Such is the state of affairs in the SEC.  There is a status quo of morally precarious behavior.

LSU certainly follows the rules, but should we demand behavior from our team that we don’t expect from others or should we get in-line with the realisms of the SEC?    Can we achieve both?  Let me know what you think. 

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Character or Desperation

That keeps Perriloux after like5 suspensions before kicking him out the door for good. Is it Character or desperation that causes Les Miles to pull DeAngelo Benton’s offer to ensure 4 years of Reuben Randle?

Ok, desperation maybe a strech, but don’t act like Les Miles is all about character and ethics and that’s why LSU is successful. Just like every other SEC school, LSU is successful when great players stay out of trouble and play hard. I see no diference in Les Miles and the majority of the other coaches in the SEC.

by c-dude on Feb 12, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

That’s exactly my point in that this off season Les Miles acted like the majority of the coaches in the SEC. The problem is I’m not sure that’s a long term solution for LSU.

Miles doesn’t have the personality of some of the other coaches, so he needs something else to set himself apart. In recruiting against Alabama and Florida, I personally felt that character was a positive distinguishing trait.

Also, I disagree with your assertion that Miles’ character had no bearing on LSU’s success. For example, in the 2007 season, LSU consistently played from behind.

The team didn’t panic when it got down, and there was always a feeling that LSU would respond. Whether successful or not, I believe that feeling came directly from Les Miles demeanor and personality.

by Tortfeasor on Feb 12, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

New category of committment--"maybe"

This will not happen but this is the way I think the NCAA should set policy for recruiting NCAA athletes:
1. If a kid commits to a member university and agrees to take no more allowed visits then it ought to be tampering by another school to try to get the kid to visit their university.
2. Kids who commit but say they are going to take allowed visits are not really commitments but “maybes”. What they are really saying is that I have a scholarship waiting for me if I decide to take it. These kids are fair game for the field.
3. Kids who do not commit and decide to take some or all of their visits. These kids are also fair game in the recruiting process.
The exception to my idea is if the head coach of the school is not retained or elects to leave for another school then the kids in category one can now shift to category 2.

Probably impossible to regulate but at some point your word should be worth something. A coach tries to teach this to his kids when he gets them on his team why should it be any different in the recruiting process.

bhambill

by bhambill on Feb 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

1. If a kid commits to a member university and agrees to take no more allowed visits then it ought to be tampering by another school to try to get the kid to visit their university.

This is the problem, a verbal commit means nothing. How can the NCAA enforce that? What would be their grounds for enforcing it? A verbal commitment is not legally binding. All that would do

2. Kids who commit but say they are going to take allowed visits are not really commitments but "maybes". What they are really saying is that I have a scholarship waiting for me if I decide to take it. These kids are fair game for the field.

So basically, no change.

3. Kids who do not commit and decide to take some or all of their visits. These kids are also fair game in the recruiting process.

So basically, no change.

The exception to my idea is if the head coach of the school is not retained or elects to leave for another school then the kids in category one can now shift to category 2.

So basically, no change.

Probably impossible to regulate but at some point your word should be worth something. A coach tries to teach this to his kids when he gets them on his team why should it be

Here’s the thing, your word isn’t worth anything. There’s a saying that lawyer’s have that if its not in writing, it never happened. That certainly applies here.

"All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity." - Gordie Howe

by Bens4vcobra on Feb 12, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

"...if its not in writing it never happened."

Ummm…yes and no. To wit, Crobin and the “Parole Evidence Rule” debate.

In this case, however, absent any kind of written commitement, it would seem that the verbal would be unenforcible. Further, I don’t think it should be. These are hugely important decisions for very young kids who may sometimes commit in good faith and over a period of months conclude that an alternative is in their best interest. Excellent students deciding on which school to attend solely with academics in mind very often change their minds. I don’t think these kids should be compelled to be locked in.

This is of course not to defend the mountains of sleeze associated with recruiting to which Kiffykins seems determined to make a significant contribution.

marshalld

by duras on Feb 12, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

dynamite debut tortfeasor

this is absolutely homeriffic. i knew there was a shitload of character hiding somewhere in the sec…should’ve known it was in baton rouge. i heard les is gonna roam the sidelines wearing a priest’s collar in ’09…just what i heard.

by gerry dorsey on Feb 12, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

Of course it a homers point of view, I’m an LSU fan discussing my opinions of the LSU program on an LSU blog—thought that was pretty self-evident.

Anyway, the whole theory behind the piece was an article I read last week which interviewed high school football coaches around La. and asked them to compare Saban v. Miles. Hands down every coach said Saban had a better football mind. However, they also said they felt more comfortable sending their players to Miles because of his character and demeanor.

You’re free to disagree, I was just echoing the recruiting angle we have in some high school coaches minds. A point I agree with.

by Tortfeasor on Feb 12, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

just so i'm understanding

its impossible to be a fan of the team you’re writing about and be impartial?? i’m a bama fan, but i’ll call a spade a spade in regards to bama as much as anyone.

by gerry dorsey on Feb 12, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

So

In your unbiased opinion, which coach had more character in the eyes of recruits, coaches and parents before this off-season started. Saban or Miles?

by Tortfeasor on Feb 12, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

how the hell should i know??

you’re a lawyer…wouldn’t that be speculation on my part?? however there is a big difference between not having any character and being a dick. saban is a dick.

by gerry dorsey on Feb 12, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

What you call a dick a 60 year old high school football coach calls a lack of character. The main point was they didn’t trust Saban to do right by their players.

They trusted Miles more and that was the currency he traded in. With the latest stunt I’m not sure he still has the advantage in that area, which hurts because he is not as good an X and O’s guy.

by Tortfeasor on Feb 12, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

obviously i see what you're saying...

but i sure don’t hear about any guys who spend 3 or 4 years with saban having any regrets about it. he’s gonna prepare you for the nfl as well as anyone in america. what high school kid doesn’t want to hear that??

by gerry dorsey on Feb 13, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

You hear a lot good things

about Saban from players who excelled in his program and have gone on to the NFL.

You don’t hear about kids (though they definitely exist) who were forced out of his program, who may have excelled in someone else’s program because Saban couldn’t adapt to other personality types.

by LSU Jonno on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Gerry,

Your statement highlights the very premise of the article. Saban’s advantage over Miles is his NFL background/better football mind, etc.

Since Miles doesn’ t have an NFL background, his major advantage over Saban in the eyes of some parents, coaches and players on the recruiting trail is the trust/character issue.

It’s something that LSU should hold on to.

by Tortfeasor on Feb 13, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

hey...

its dog eat dog world brotha. and maybe more importantly, how come we don’t hear about these kids? does the evil saban put a gag order on them

by gerry dorsey on Feb 13, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, just wow

Your argument is totally nonsensical. First, Miles has no more character Saban. Then Saban is a better coach. Finally, the league is competitive.

You have wholly abandoned your initial claims in favor of shinny new ones that are simple retreads of what was discussed in the article two days ago.

Me: "The SEC is a competitive league that demands victories. With the importation of aggressive new coaches, the old style is done"

You: "its dog eat dog world brotha"

Me: "Les Miles is not as a good of an X and O’s coach as Nick Saban"

You: "[Saban]’s gonna prepare you for the nfl as well as anyone in america. what high school kid doesn’t want to hear that??"

by Tortfeasor on Feb 13, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

settle down beavis

my reply was to jonno. i can’t help it if sb nation put it under your post.

now take a deep breath.

by gerry dorsey on Feb 13, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Beavis?

Strong retort. Anyway….

I’m pretty sure everyone figured out who your response was aimed at. My statement reflected the fact that you counter relevent points with tangential ones that were stated in the article, adding nothting to the discussion.

by Tortfeasor on Feb 14, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

high school football coaches around La. and asked them to compare Saban v. Miles. Hands down every coach said Saban had a better football mind. However, they also said they felt more comfortable sending their players to Miles because of his character and demeanor.

i could be wrong, but i’m not sure the coaches sited character in suggesting they’d keep kids in state rather than send them to bama. of course those coaches wanted to keep their kids instate.

by JDinGeorgia on Feb 12, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

They felt more comfortable because...

 they were sending their players instate because of Miles poor character and angry demeanor. He has constantly tried to villafy recruits going to the “traitor” and nick “satan”. How many coaches were talked actually sampled? I find it interesting that they agree that Nick Saban is the superior coach. It is like Miles is the “nice” guy with a " good personality" welcome to the friend zone Les see how far it gets you with chicks

Jealousy is the thread that holds TET threads together!

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 18, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

that first part was supposed to be in quotes

but i’m drunk blogging. sue me. oops, too many lawyers on here. nevermind the whole “sue me” part.

by JDinGeorgia on Feb 12, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions  

Ha! The story dealt with Saban when he was at LSU so not sure the in-state/out-of-state issue applies.

by Tortfeasor on Feb 12, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

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