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Spring Football: The Linebackers

One of the more interesting stories to come out so far this offseason for LSU is this Q&A with new LSU defensive coordinator/linebacker coach John Chavis.  Surprisingly, this gem of an article was brought to us by none other than Glenn Guilbeau, who everyone generally finds to be irritating.  See this article too.

There are a lot of good quotes in that piece on Chavis, but for right now, let's stick with this one:

Q: HEAD COACH LES MILES WAS TALKING ABOUT NOT WANTING TO SUBSTITUTE AS MUCH THIS SEASON BECAUSE MAYBE HIS DEFENSIVE COACHES DID THAT TOO MUCH LAST YEAR. DID YOU SUB A LOT AT TENNESSEE?

CHAVIS: "We basically had two packages that we worked a lot — our base package and our dime package, where we put six defensive backs in."

Q: YOU HAD NO SEPARATE NICKEL (FIVE DEFENSIVE BACKS FOR PASS SITUATIONS)?

CHAVIS: "No. Our base package was basically our nickel package. We just moved that outside linebacker up and back, inside and outside. You look for a guy that's got skills enough to do some or really all the things that we want to do in our base package. And you like to play with that guy because he's going to get the reps, he's going to get all the looks. You're not working an extra package in practice. And to me, if you're going to go nickel, why not go ddime, where you're going to get the match-ups all over? And you're going to do some things to help yourself in the run game."

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Q: SO, WOULD YOU SAY YOUR OUTSIDE BACKERS HAVE TENDED TO BE MORE COMPLETE LINEBACKERS?

CHAVIS: "You look at guys that are getting drafted today by the folks in the NFL. They want guys that can play three downs. They don't want a first-down linebacker. It's hard for that guy to go on. Well, it makes sense because we're playing the same style as the NFL. We're playing offenses that are very, very similar, so we need guys out there who are going to be every-down guys also. And that's what we're looking for. It doesn't have to be a safety. There's been plenty of guys we recruited as linebackers and played for us as linebackers, and they went on. The focus — and not that there hadn't been one here — in terms of those guys will be speed."

So, Chavis's base defense is essentially a 5-defensive back alignment with a converted safety moved to linebacker, with that safety/linebacker hybrid expected to play a key role in coverage against 3-wide sets.  And the whole thing emphasizes speed.  Interesting.

There's a couple problems with this at LSU.  First, the set of linebackers that are the apparent favorites to be the starting 3 can't do that particular job.  

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Right now, it looks like seniors Jacob Cutrera and Perry Riley, along with junior Kelvin Sheppard are tops on the depth chart at middle, strong, and weakside linebacker respectively.  None of those guys are particularly speedy, even for linebackers.  The idea that one of them might be asked to cover, say, AJ Green in single coverage is absolutely frightening.

This means that Chavis could be looking to move a safety into a linebacker spot.  That brings up the other problem.  Our safeties were pitiful in coverage too last year.  Seriously, we've tried using Danny McCray as our nickel back.  We've tried it for two years, and it was a heavy contributor to getting our defensive coaching staff fired.  The guy is just out of his depth trying to cover wide receivers by himself.  Why would he do any better as a "linebacker" asked to cover receivers?

As a group, our safeties were insufficiently athletic last year with the exception of Chad Jones.  Putting Chad Jones on the field every play in a free safety position is a big improvement in scheme, and I'm certainly open to having Harry Coleman or Danny McCray move to linebacker and get a little more speed into that position, but not if it means that linebacker is our de facto nickel back, covering slot receivers one on one at times.  Harry Coleman would be a disaster in that role.

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Which brings up a couple other possibilities.  Personally, I do not like our linebacker corps as constituted up above.  It is a little slow and not sufficiently athletic.  Enter Ryan Baker, who I thought was awesome when we were recruiting him, and who was awesome on special teams as a freshman last year.  He's a heat-seeking missile as a linebacker, and at 6'0" 213# he does not have the bulk to slow him down.  He might, then, have the kind of speed and athleticism to actually keep up with slot receivers some of the time.  

Personally, the guy looks like a playmaker in waiting, and seems like the kind of guy we need to find ways to get on the field more anyway.  Jacob Cutrera's a good character guy, but has he done anything on the field to make anyone think he's an All-SEC calibre defender?  Ryan Baker has done things to make me think he is.  Move Cutrera out and back to his role as a depth player (which he performs admirably, by the way).  Move Sheppard or Riley into the middle, and put Baker into your OLB/nickel combo position.  Voila!  Your defense is faster, more athletic, and more apt to make big plays instantly.

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Another possibility, and this idea is a pure ATVS original, is to forget about moving a safety into the linebacker position and think even more outside the box.

If you need an outside linebacker who can cover receivers, how about converting a cornerback?  Or your combo corner/safety nickel back?  That's the theory behind the idea of converting Phelon Jones into your line-nickel-back player.  He was the backup nickel as a redshirt freshman last year, and showed promise at the position.  He's the safety/corner combo that is sometimes just perfect for nickel, because he can cover receiver and is physical enough to provide run support when needed.  Why not let him do the job full time?

Alright, this probably won't happen, though I hope they've at least thought about it.  The idea of moving a safety to linebacker is generally a sound one for many teams as a plan to get more speed on the field, but frankly our safeties were slow last year and the position was in desperate need of an overhaul.  Moving the slow safeties down to linebacker and asking them to cover wide receivers is not the answer.  

OK, back to the position preview.  We know that Cutrera, Riley, and Sheppard start the Spring as starters, but how will it end, and who will the backups be?  We've talked about Ryan Baker, but there are other linebackers out there.

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Two to watch for are Shomari Clemons and Kyle Prater.  Clemons saw limited action as a redshirt freshman last year, and there were some off-field issues as well, but the converted safety (there's that term again!) could see his stock rise with a coaching staff that puts renewed emphasis on speed.  Kyle Prater redshirted his true freshman year last year and hopes to get into the mix as a middle or strong-side linebacker this year.

Senior walk-on Ace Foyil returns to provide depth at the linebacker position.  Redshirt freshman Kellen Theriot has an injured shoulder and won't see action in the Spring, and may see a position change when he returns anyway.

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This is also another position where a true freshman is on campus early to get a head start.  Kevin Minter out of Suwanee, Georgia is a very promising player.  I think he was greatly underrated as a 3-star during the recruiting season and I think it's entirely possible he'll be a factor this year, especially if the coaching staff decides not to shuffle Riley or Sheppard into the middle, as that is where Minter is most natural.  He's got a great future, I think, and it might come sooner rather than later.

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A couple of thoughts...
So, Chavis’s base defense is essentially a 5-defensive back alignment with a converted safety moved to linebacker,

Why the crap can’t we run a base 4-3, and have nickel and dime packages too? I know that blew up in our face last year, but it was 100% coaching. Nickel packages work all of the time, college and the NFL.

That brings up the other problem. Our safeties were pitiful in coverage too last year.
As a group, our safeties were insufficiently athletic last year with the exception of Chad Jones.

I’m not going to blast the athletic ability (speed) of our safeties. Curtis Taylor, who was the subject of a lot of criticism last year just ran a sub 4.5 forty. Pro Day. So I’m not going to comment on the physical speed of our safeties, I think the problem was the mental speed of our safeties, which had the on-field appearance of our safeties being slow. I think our safeties being out of position had a lot more to do with coaching than athletic ability, and therefore I can’t comment on who should be at what position based on what I saw on the field last year. Basically, any piece of data gathered from last year’s players should be thrown out of the equation. And had our D-line gotten some pressure on the QB other than in the South Carolina game, maybe our DB’s wouldn’t have had to cover as long.

We also had the absolute worst blitzing scheme in the history of college football last year. Our blitzes were so predictable and so readable that they were picked up, probably 95% of the time. Granted there were a lot of experienced O-lines in the SEC last year, but our blitzes were pathetic.

by LSU Jonno on Mar 17, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A Few Bad Assumptions You Made..

First off, I want to thank you for your time and efforts. Secondly, I believe you represent the majority of the LSU fan base that is simply ignorant on Chavis’ defensive scheme.

Just because 3 LBs will be on the field does NOT mean that they will always have to cover WRs in a man-to-man coverage (like your flag football team in college).

 In most passing situations with 10 personnel (1 RB 0 TEs; for those of you that have never buckled a chinstrap) and when 3 LBs on are the field, one of the LBs shadows the RB, and the other LBs cover the underneath routes (drags, angles, curls, hitches, etc) with maybe help from one of the safeties (depending on coverage scheme).

In response to the dumb AJ Green comments:

Are you serious? No LB in the country (NFL or college) could guard AJ Green on an island (man-to-man). Did you think that Chavis established his successful defense at Tenn by letting his stud LB Jerod Mayo guard WRs like Kenny McKinley for S. Carolina or Percy Harvin?? No way….

In response to:
“Right now, it looks like seniors Jacob Cutrera and Perry Riley, along with junior Kelvin Sheppard are tops on the depth chart at middle, strong, and weakside linebacker respectively. None of those guys are particularly speedy, even for linebackers.”

I think you might be confusing the term of speed with confusion. Last year, the defense was so befuddled; they looked like they had ankle weights on. From your words that these guys aren’t “speedy”, even for linebackers…….
            
          The Lbs 40 times from last April:

                    Riley 4.61…………..Cutrera 4.56………..Sheppard 4.64
Shocking???? That’s faster than 80% of the LBs in the country.
Not to mention that Sheppard had an ankle injury during the year, Cutrera had a pulled hamstring, and Riley was coming off rehab from a broken ankle.

In addition, Baker is a great talent with tons of potential, but have you even seen him actually cover somebody in a passing situation? Did you happen to see him when he got into the Miss St. game during a "meaningful series’? He was lost…..as a frosh should be, I’m not faulting him for that. I just think you have to question how a talented defender will progress mentally and will he be prepared. Yea, he can fly downfield on a kick off, but can he learn the in’s and out’s of the defensive playbook (which is more complicated than fans think). I think and hope he will come along nicely, but to say he can just jump into the lineup?? That is a stretch…

Not trying to bust your bubble, I really do appreciate your breakdowns of LSU football.

Just be more informed about what you are talking about, post accurate information. Don’t just come out with these assumptions that you think are true, based on the feedback you get from other people just like you. You already go the extra mile in looking up all of this information about LSU football, why not go a little further and get some credible information??

Thanks

Love to Hear Back from you…

by NCBANG on Mar 17, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I will admit to a certain ignorance of Chavis’s defensive schemes. I followed Tennessee about as much as I followed any other team that we didn’t play regularly, which is to say I watched, but not that closely.

Yeah, I know that the speed linebacker (for lack of a better term) is not often going to be matched up with the other team’s best wide receiver, but in the same article where he said they are not going to be using a nickel package, he also said they’re going to be blitzing some. Blitzes usually mean a lot of single coverage, and if we get stuck in our base package and call a blitz, that will at least at times mean that our “nickel”-linebacker is in single coverage, depending on where the blitz is coming from.

If you read me regularly, you know I’m not just out to criticize coaches. It’s not my style. I try to give it to people straight, hedging my words when I need to, and never going out on a Gregg-Doyel-like limb. When faced with incomplete information, I tend to err on the side of caution. Which is to say, I’m not trying to cause trouble. I’m not sure what you mean by “go a little further and get some credible information.” I do the best I can with the resources I have, and I’ll never be a “break the story” kind of guy. I don’t have those kinds of resources. I focus my efforts on gathering the information that is freely and easily available, and processing it through what I hope is a filter of common sense and intelligence, and spitting out what I think the result is. Is it perfect? No.

I am surprised to read that our linebackers recorded those kinds of 40 times. Frankly, I wonder if they’re really accurate, but in particular I’d like to see their times in cone drills. I was critical of our linebackers last year as well as our safeties, and if the problem was scheme and coaching rather than skill and talent, they’ll certainly have the opportunity to show that this year. Personally, I thought that in his freshman and sophomore years Perry Riley showed a lot of promise, and I’m very curious to know what he can do as a senior. Kelvin Sheppard gets a lot of positive comments from people who consider themselves insiders, and I’m prepared to accept that. However I do not think either of those guys bring the sort of game that, say, a Rennie Curran or a Rolando McClain bring to the same positions. They’re playmakers. So far, Sheppard and Riley have not shown themselves to be on that level, and we can’t afford to have deficits at very many positions. I don’t want to criticize Cutrera too much, but I just think he’s a backup-calibre player. There’s no crime in that. I think he tries hard and I think he’s a character guy, but if he can be replaced in the lineup by a playmaker, that sure would improve the entire defense.

Do I know if Baker is that guy? Or even if that guy is on the roster at all? No, I don’t. But I sure hope the staff gives Baker the chance. Yes, he looked lost in his most serious action, but when the Washington game roles around he will have a Spring Practice, summer drills, and another Fall Practice under his belt. Curran and McClain were playmakers as true freshmen. Why can’t Baker get it in his sophomore year? If he isn’t ready, that’s fine, but other teams manage to put young players into important positions at time and there’s no reason we should assume we can’t do the same.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Mar 17, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to agree on a few things from above...

First of all, from what I saw, it looked like Sheppard was the fastest starting linebacker, and he looked plenty fast. Like the above poster said, the linebackers don’t necessarily have to play man with a great receiver. They can play zone, and even if they do go man, they will be guarding the slot receiver, and for most teams, that player is not great. If a team like Georgia tries to put A.J. Green in the slot for a mismatch, the backer can trade with the corner and guard Green, and the backer guards the outside guy, who is lower on the depth chart. Also, if the backer does have to guard Green, he still is going to have safety help unless LSU is blitzing, so all he has to do is be physical and stay with him underneath, and the safety will watch his back deep. Or, if Georgia puts Green in the slot, LSU could just go to dime.

You don’t have to have someone with a sub 4.4 40 guarding every receiver. So when you worry that our safeties look slow, they are faster than our linebackers, and again, they (and the linebackers most of the time) are guarding the 3rd, 4th, and 5th, receivers, or the tight end, with safety help, so they should be fine.

As for your corner idea, I would just save that for dime. I think you would rather be ready against the run, and maybe have one slight speed mismatch in pass coverage, instead of having the offense be able to gash you up the middle continually because you are playing a bigger corner as a linebacker.

One last point. You mention Danny McCray looked bad, but to be honest, I thought he looked much better last year than the year before. And not just with him, but all our safeties, corners, and linebackers can’t be expected to cover people for 4-5 seconds. Last year they had to do that because of our non-existent pass rush. If we can get more pressure on the quarterback, I guarantee our secondary will look a lot better.

by Ianoka on Mar 17, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McCray has always struggled in coverage

He got beat A LOT. Not a little. Not occasionally. He got beat a lot, and teams targeted him. You remember the Florida game and how they deliberately put Percy Harvin in a position to be guarded by McCray. McCray couldn’t make the play and got beat for a very long touchdown. He was supposed to have safety help, but didn’t, but even so he did everything but make the play. Whenever he was in the game as the nickel covering the slot, it seemed that opposing quarterbacks went after him.

I don’t really blame McCray. He’s a safety who was asked to do a corner’s job. Put McCray at strong safety and I think he’ll probably thrive. Honestly, I hope that’s what the coaches do with him this year. Put him in a position where he’s providing run support and giving over the top help and he’ll do fine. The last two years he’s been a Clydesdale asked to run the Kentucky Derby. A screwdriver used to hammer a nail.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Mar 17, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harvin...

…First of all, it’s Percy Harvin. No one can cover him one on one for a long period of time. Second of all, McCray had decent coverage. Like you said, there was supposed to be a safety over the top, and McCray was underneath, tipped the ball, and then Harvin just scored on a fluke play. I remember him getting beat a lot in 2007, I just don’t remember as many specific instances last year.

by Ianoka on Mar 17, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to have to go with Richard on this one.

Granted I am no expert, but that #44 has been giving me heart problems for 2 years now.

by janepriceestrada on Mar 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richard Pittman

Put down the x box and pick up the binoculars.

by al toon on Mar 17, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't tell you the last time I played a video game involving sports..

..or even the last time I played any video game at all.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Mar 17, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

Haha I can’t speak for everyone, but i personally wasn’t trying to be harsh. I love that you update this site at least once a day, and I just want to discuss football, especially LSU football, in a time that’s not filled with football talk

by Ianoka on Mar 17, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dumb fuck

Richard Pittman get a clue I guess they are letting anyone post blogs about football. you have never played and your kids will never play. Maybe they might get crushed in middle school just like you did. Instead of wasting peoples time you should go watch little boys play on monkey bars.

good day

by timbob17 on Mar 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

right on...

timbob,

Couldn’t agree more….would love to see your blog. What’s the link? What are your thoughts on the upcoming season’s depth chart? Do you have any comments regarding the direction that college recruiting has been taking over the last couple of years? What about Miles, any thoughtful criticisms there?

what an idiot richard is for provoking conversation about this stupid football stuff.

don’t be such a loser man.

by Zandor435 on Mar 20, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

First time I’ve looked back here since my original comment. Turned into quite the firestorm.

timbob17? I mean really, it’s one thing to second guess the author, but c’mon man.

by LSU Jonno on Mar 20, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wait a second!

you mean to tell me you don’t whole-heartedly agree w/ timbob’s commentary?? didn’t you read between the lines that he has played football before and did not get crushed in middle school? and that his kids either play or will play football and not get crushed in middle school? i don’t know what kind of household you were raised in, but where i come from this is a little something known as exceptional analysis, and i have no choice but to agree 100%

by blizzle on Mar 20, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is..

I can’t even tell which parts he finds so objectionable. Or does he simply object to me having the gall to write at all?

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Mar 21, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Timbob..

Don’t hold back tell him how you really feel..

Although I for one think that last years eyesore of a defense had more to do with missed assignments and confusion in coverage than the speed with what we have at backer. So it is reversible.

by Mikeno on Mar 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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