Strength of Schedule and Announcers
I promise to get to those burning questions of the CWS like who to start on Friday and who to root for on Wednesday, but first let's have one last note on Cal State Fullerton now that they have been eliminated by the plucky Cavaliers. In one of the comments thread, it was pointed out that the ISR's might overrate west coast teams.
Now, I'm loathe to criticize the amazing work of Boyd World. His site really is one of the very best resources for a college baseball fan. And let's be honest, there's no way I could construct an even halfway decent computer rating system. This, of course, is a long-winded preamble to me criticizing the amazing work of Boyd World.
When the field was announced, Boyd crunched the numbers and found that CSF had a 46.4% chance of making the final. That's, for all intents and purposes, even money odds. That is also, patently absurd. Nothing against CSF, but there's no team that should have been even money to make the championship series, particularly a team in the same bracket as such heavyweights as UC-Irvine, Florida St, and LSU. Favorites? Sure. But overwhelming favorites? By contrast, LSU had a 46.2% chance of just making it Omaha. While LSU had a 9.2% chance of making the final series and a 3.7% chance of winning it, CSF had a 32.6% of winning the title.
Did anyone honestly believe that CSF had a ten times better chance of winning the title than LSU when the field was announced? Hell, I don't even think Boyd believed that. Check out the pre-CWS odds:
Final Champ Team
30.8 14.0 Texas
2.4 0.3 Southern Mississippi
27.6 9.8 North Carolina
39.1 21.4 Arizona State
57.9 40.1 Cal State Fullerton
14.6 4.6 Arkansas
17.2 6.5 Louisiana State
10.3 3.4 Virginia
For those of you scoring at home, that means he gave nearly the same odds for CSF to win the title as Texas, Arizona St, and LSU COMBINED. There has to be a point you look at the numbers your system pumps out and ask "does this make sense?"
Believe it or not, this isn't to tear apart Boyd. I meant it when I said that I deeply respect his work. There is a point here. Because I believe I know the cause of the problem, even if I don't have the solution (going back to the idea I can't build a rating system). The problem is a faulty strength of schedule rating.
Strength of schedule is usually calculated by some variation of a factor of opponents' winning percentage added or multiplied to a factor of opponents' opponents' winning percentage. While this is the industry standard, I believe that it is completely incorrect. It does give a good baseline, but there are two fundamental flaws.
ONE. Assuming the same opponents' opponents' winning percentage, this method of strength of schedule overrates teams that play lots of mediocre teams. It is better to play two 5-5 teams and a 6-4 team (to use football), than to play a 10-0 team, a 5-5 team, and a 0-10 team. But it is harder to go undefeated against the second schedule despite it being rated as the easier schedule. This is a basic flaw of strength of schedule that it does not have a component to rate top tier games. But really, it is a function of the more basic flaw...
TWO. Strength of schedule ratings rate a game against a lesser opponent as easier than an open date. Think about that, playing anyone, no matter how poor of a squad, is ALWAYS tougher than not playing at all. Any system that punishes a team for playing a team in comparison to not playing at all is fundamentally flawed. A truly good rating system, like Boyd's, can be so well constructed as to minimize this flaw, but this flaw cannot be completely ignored.
Playing is always harder than not playing. I don't have the solution to strength of schedule, but I simply do not believe strength of schedule ratings. Which makes me horribly skeptical of computer rankings. Hopefully, someone better at math than I am can figure out the workaround to this basic problem. ,
I don't know much about computer rankings, but I do know that there is no earthly way CSF had a ten times better chance in Omaha than LSU.
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I like to rip on the MSM, particularly ESPN, but the College World Series is one of those things ESPN does right.
Orel Hersheiser and Mike Patrick mangled every name on LSU's roster, but other than that, they had great chemistry and made an entertaining broadcast despite having to kill time during a blowout. They were funny, engaging, and I actually learned a few things. Having a great pitcher like Orel break down pitcher mechanics is a real treat.
Their discussion on hit batsmen was funny and also pretty interesting. And Orel got off one of the best lines of the night when he admitted that there was no way Patrick was ever going to convince him about anything that helped a hitter.
I'm pretty critical, so I think it's only fair that I praise when ESPN does something well. They have done an outstanding job in Omaha so far, especially in how they let the games speak for themselves. Good job, guys.
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As I said in another thread, Mike Patrick was embarrassing.
If the game hadn’t turned into a blowout, then it would have been inexcusable.
It’s not just mangling names (or teams, or states, or sports); it’s that his immediate instincts about the game of baseball are just wrong (which is ironic seeing as how he and Orel actually talked at length about Patrick’s intuitive understanding of the game). The problem started with Patrick saying the flyball that the Ark. player hit in the first inning to plate their only run was NOT hit deep enough when it clearly was; it went on from there.
I go back and forth on Hersheiser as a color guy. He tends to get sanctimonious and preachy, particularly about effing small ball. (Thank God that the Tigers are so obviously a slugging team that not even ESPN can attribute their success to “bunting”; not that it usually stops them.) But I did think Orel was pretty entertaining tonight. For my money, his best line of the night happened when he told Patrick that a guy named “Orel” who plays in the big leagues for 15 years is going to have a few good comebacks at the ready. Awesome stuff.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
I found Patrick's (dis)information as a play-by-play guy annoying too.
I have to admit that his voice, and enthusiasm for the game in front of him, to be nice, but come on, get the players/teams right!
I am reminded of Byrd’s last second(s) catch against Auburn, where Patrick went on and on about how there wasn’t any time left if Byrd had dropped it, or if it had been incomplete. Replay showed that there would have been a few seconds left after the play (allowing for a FG, and we did have a TO if I remember correctly). Still, he seems to have a healthy respect for SEC football and baseball, which is a breath of fresh air on E$PN.
i'll defend mike patrick and orel hershiser
When Patrick said that the ball wasn’t deep enough, I think he meant “not deep enough to be a HOME RUN.” Yes, they mangled the names, but I think it’s time we realized that no national announcer knows any team as well as the devoted fans of that team know it. And heck, I’m not sure to this day that I know how to properly pronounce Mahtook. I can’t trust Jim Hawthorne’s version because I know he can’t say “Schimpf” correctly.
I really liked hershiser’s input. Like the best bloggers, he is genuinely insightful in ways that are atypical of announcers and color men. He’s not polished, but he knows his stuff and he’s not afraid to tell us things that other people might think are over our heads. I loved his discussions of how the batter’s stance gives away the kind of pitch he’s looking for. I liked his discussions of pitcher’s mechanics and how it affects control et cetera.
And when he made fun of Mike Patrick’s bowling glory, I really did laugh out loud. When Patrick said, “My career ended at Legion ball,” and Hershiser responded, “And that’s where your bowling career took off,” I couldn’t help but laugh at it. Mrs. ATVS said, “Zing!”
Richard Pittman
by Richard Pittman on Jun 16, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I was actually referring to how he called a player from the wrong team.
For instance, when Ochinko made a play, Patrick called him by Arkansas’ 1B’s name. And I seem to remember him saying once or twice that Arkansas was in front, or in command, etc. I don’t expect him to have carnal knowledge of every roster, but at least pay attention to the team colors. That should ring true no matter what sport one is watching.
I think his name is “Boyd Nation” by the way. And although I criticized him slightly in the comments for the West Coast bias I would reiterate that in my eyes he’s basically a college baseball God.
I attribute a lot of the recent success in keeping pitch counts down to his work .
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 16, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
You are correct
My apologies to Mr. Nation. And he is College Baseball God. His work is indespinsible. Go to his site:
Is this true?
that Boyd’s first team in his strength of schedule rating that is east of the rockies is number 31? How can that be respected?
No, Oklahoma is at #25. But the point stands.
I suspect one reason this is so is because the PAC 10 teams play each other in “nonconference” series. So Stanford will play Cal 6 times a years; the first three won’t count in the conference, but the second three will. It’s a stupid, stupid system but there you have it. And that will obviously lead to higher SoS numbers than playing McNeese out of conference. Because they all do this, you get a feedback loop increasing the SoS of those Western teams.
I don’t have a shred of evidence to support this theory, but this is a blog after all.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 16, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops. I misread his preseason #s and his current #s
The current SoS numbers are much mor balanced than his preseason prediction. Texas at #14; OU at 17, Rice at 18. Still favors California, but not so blatantly
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 16, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The small schools in LA and MS are pretty potent,
so I’d like to think that it evens out the SoS. Just my anecdotal opinion, no research to back it up. Too lazy.
I agree with this...
Ugly as in “what were they thinking ugly”!!!
by Totally Spoil on Jun 17, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Grading the Staff:
Mike P: C+
Orel H: A
Erin A: A++
Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. "Rec" comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.
I'd give Mike Patrick a solid B..
Orel I’d give an A+ to,
I’ve never really understood the “cheesecake” obsession in casting sideline reporters (or in this case, dugout/stands reporters. If I want to see hot chicks, the internet abides. Erin Andrews does her job competently, and that’s fine, but her other attributes do nothing for me.
Richard Pittman
by Richard Pittman on Jun 17, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions

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