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Talent vs. Magic

I live in Texas, so I am surrounded by Texas fans. To be honest, in the great UT-A&M debate, I tend to side with A&M because I am related to a few a Aggies and I sort of admire their completely unreasonable fanaticism.  But I don't dislike the Horns. 

I like Austin.  I like the Hook 'em Horns.  I like "Texas Fight".  I like their cheerleaders.  I like that they beat USC in the Rose Bowl, probably the best college football game I have ever seen.  I have plenty of friends who went to Texas, and I wish them all well.  But this is war, and I hope LSU makes every Texas fan wish they didn't have a baseball team.

There is one thing I do hate about Texas, and that is their arrogance.  Texas has a well-deserved reputation for being a whine-and-cheese crowd.  Their football games are the quietest 100,000 people not in the Big House.  Texas is sort of the Bama of the Big XII, always ready to tell you about some game they won in 1954.  Which is fine, you should be proud of your history, which is impressive, but before Texas gets on their haughty horse, I'd like to point to the All-Time Championship Scoreboard:

Baseball: Texas 6, LSU 5
All Sports: LSU 40, Texas 39 (football not included)

We're not some chump.  I'll put our athletic history up against anybody's and if some Texas fan starts going on about their illustrious history, which has happened to me several times already this week, the proper response is: "Scoreboard."

And I know not to read too much into the comment sections of any website, but this comment on Baseball America drove me mad because I don't think he's expressing a belief that far out of line with many Texas fans:

That’s right, Texas is shooting for national championship number 7 (1949, 1950, 1975, 1983, 2002, 2005, and 2009?). Hook ‘em Horns! Time to take out "new money" LSU. I know that the "experts" will generally pick LSU, but I wonder how LSU will respond to some real adversity. I mean, it’s been many weeks since they lost a single game. How will LSU respond if Coleman is pitching and they’re down to Texas by a score of 5-0? I have no doubt about LSU’s raw talent, and I also have no doubt about Texas’ mental toughness and their ability to win close games. I still think that LSU only has three good pitchers, and if they’re forced to use their bullpen, the advantage could swing to Texas. We’ll see what happens. Hook ‘em Horns!

Let's break that down...

Star-divide

First off, "new money"?  Are you kidding me?  In college baseball, just about everyone is new money.  USC used to pretty much win the title every year and from 1967-1981, a west coast team won the title every year except for 1975 (Texas).  In that 15 year span, USC won 7 titles, Arizona St. 4, and Arizona 2.  Look, they didn't even hand out a Golden Spikes Award until 1978.  It's hard to pin down when college baseball expanded to become a national sport, but I'd go with either 1982 when a non-west coast team won, on 1979, when Fullerton broke in for a title. 

LSU's first trip to Omaha was 1986.  That was over 20 years ago.  But whatever.  Really, Texas is about the only fanbase would even think of a "new money" putdown. 

But let's get to that game analysis...

Let's be clear, it's awesome that LSU has not played a close game in forever.  Great teams do NOT win close games.  Great teams win by blowout.  And it's not like we have not faced adversity.  The SEC tournament was an incredible backs-to-the-wall run.  But I'm not worried that LSU jumps on teams and early and then blows teams out before the seventh inning rolls around.  That's a good thing.

Texas' run this year reminds me of our last year.  I enjoyed the hell out of it.  LSU won so many straight games and had so many incredible rallies.  The UC Irvine series was one of the best sports weekends ever.  The rally against Rice was spectacular.  The whole season was magical.

Except that we lost. 

When magic runs into talent, talent usually wins.  Magic does occassionally win, which is why we still can see clips of Jimmy Valvano running around trying to hug someone.  Or why Fresno State has a national title.  But usually, the juggernaut stomps the upstart into dust. 

Then again, it's not like Texas is some lousy team.  They have terrific pitching, and some great hitters once Augie gets over the bunt.  They are the #1 seed.  Texas isn't some upstart, this is not the Fresno State story.  But let's look into this assumption that their pitching is so much better than LSU's and this is a matchup between offense versus defense.

RUNS ALLOWED
Texas 227
LSU 299

Yes, they have allowed less runs.  But Texas plays in the more offensively-challenged Big XII and LSU plays in the big ball SEC.  I doubt it evens those numbers, but the gap is not as big as people think.  LSU's pitching matches up with Texas' fairly well (and it's now that I make the obligatory point that their three starters are all righties).

But let's get to the fun number:

RUNS SCORED
Texas 386
LSU 542

LSU is 150 runs better on offense.  Texas has great pitching.  So did Rice.  Ask Wayne Graham how that went.  LSU has pitching that matches up, though it is a little worse than Texas'.  But LSU's offense is on a different planet.  The Tigers aren't quite the Gorilla Ball teams of Skip, but they are pretty damn good. 

I'm not even going to touch the comment about LSU lacking mental toughness.  This team is pretty damn mentally tough.  Especially that Louis Coleman guy.

Texas has magic.  LSU has two of the best pitchers in the nation, an All-American closer, great defense, and an offense that scored 150 runs more than the Longhorns.  And you never know, maybe we've got a little pixie dust of our own. 

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Good writeup

Any talk about “mental toughness” or “magic” is horsesh!t. This isn’t Little League. This is very high-level college baseball and all of these players on both teams can flat-out play. Did anyone actually think Texas would give up down 6-0 in the THIRD? Or down 1 run in the ninth last night? It isn’t luck. It isn’t magic. It isn’t clutch. It’s playing hard for a full 9 innings, something every team at this level does. They are an excellent baseball team and it’s amazing to me how many Texas fans seem to want to give credit to nebulous concepts as opposed to acknowledging the talent level and quality of their own team. Hell, they were the #1 seed in the tournament

As a Rice fan, I was very, very impressed with LSU. I thought we got a poor draw (i.e., we should have been elsewhere or hosted), but there are no excuses—LSU was just flat out better. The one thing that Texas has consistently been able to do all year is continually put quality arms on the mound. The most impressive thing about the first victory wasn’t the comeback (Leake clearly wasn’t himself), so much as the complete shut down of the ASU offense after the 3rd inning. Ruffin was terrible, Dicharry couldn’t find the strike zone, so they bring out Jungmann who gave up 3 baserunners in the last 6 innings. Their ability to shut down good hitting teams for long stretches makes them very, very tough. It should be entertaining and I think it will go the full 3 games.

by DoubleB on Jun 20, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Texas fan here

Trying to clear up some of these generalizations

Texas absolutely has a huge number of fairweather snobs there’s no denying that. At the same time though I think the accustion of being “wine-and-cheese” essentially calling us all soft with our noses to the sky is a little much.

I think most of the Texas fans I’ve talked to know well that LSU has the big-time pedigree in all the big 3 sports so playing the “no respect” card really comes out of left field for me.

And the number one overall seed was a surprise to a lot of us. I didnt think Texas deserved it over Fullerton or LSU. I was really annoyed when ESPN kept trying to make Texas out to look like the big bad frontrunner when almost nobody who follows College hardball would have agreed with that label.

I expect a good series with yall and may the best team win

by owenh on Jun 20, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First!

Yes, I believe this is the first website, and I am the first person ever to accuse the Longhorns of being arrogant. I’m sure you have never heard this before in your life. Most Texas fans I have talked to have reminded me of their stellar history and how no school can compare to theirs.

I’m actually annoyed by Texas trying to act like an underdog in this postseason. It’s the only way to spin a bunch of close games as a positive if you’re really not that good but are just getting by on heart and guile. The truth is, until getting ASU twice, Texas played a very soft postseason schedule and struggled to beat some very mediocre teams. Texas is not Fresno. The 25 inning game was very exciting. It was also against BC.

Texas has a lot of very good players. They had a legit claim to being the overall one seed. If they win, it won’t be because of some heroic gene they have or even their store of pixie dust, it will be because they are a really good team. If they lose, it will be because LSU is really good as well. I sincerely believe these are the two best teams in the country. David need not apply.

by Poseur on Jun 21, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rice

Not sure we’re comparable at all…Rice’s team ERA is 4.21, nearly a full 1.4 points above Texas. They had some nice starters and then nothing beyond that in the pen. Texas’ strength is not in any one insanely formidable starter, but Texas does have three very good starters in Jungmann, Green and Ruffin as well as depth in the bullpen with Wood, Dicharry and Workman.

I’m equally unclear how a team going 3-0 in the CWS is comparable to a team that went 1-2 simply because that one victory was a comeback win. That being said, I think it’s going to be a good series. I don’t think LSU is going to dominate because good pitching on both sides is going to keep the games close. LSU kind of reminds me of Texas in 2004, who rolled over its opposition in the regional, super and first three games of the CWS only to get beat by a good CSF team. Win or lose, should be fun.

by 40AS on Jun 20, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't Hate On

Where does this hate on Texas thing always come from? UT is a great school with a great athletic competition history. The only schools we hate are OU and A&M. Even after last football season Texas Tech is still only a pesky nuisance, not a school we hate (the coach is a douche though for his voting UT #5 in the poll that determined the B 12 championship when everyone had the Horns no lower than #3).

We don’t hate on LSU, it just isn’t a rivalry that plays out very often. LSU gets its mad props, too – deservedly so. I mean, some sports fans from around the country could hate on LSU for picking up a NC with two losses just like fans hate on UT for whatever nonsense reason they can dream up.

But the Longhorns and our fans are well within our rights to consider UT underdogs and overachievers. Not one UT player was selected to the first team of the all-Big 12 squad. Not one. How many Tigers are on the first team of the all-SEC squad? This is a team in the truest sense, not just a collection of talent as recognized by the “experts”. UT is special this season. I hope they are able to win it all over your very special Tiger team this year.

These are truly the two best teams in college baseball in 2009. I’m looking forward to a great series. So should everyone. Now will ESPN finally put some announcers in the booth who don’t detract from the game? Without ASU’s Leake to fellate I wonder who they’ll pick to slobber over. And will 90% of their commentary be about college players who are not even in the championship who were drafted, how much they’ll sign for and incessantly talk about MLB?

by RMHorn on Jun 21, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh . . wrong

“But the Longhorns and our fans are well within our rights to consider UT underdogs and overachievers.”

The fact you have the right to state it doesn’t make it true. For the umpteenth time, Texas was the #1 seed in the entire tournament.

“Not one UT player was selected to the first team of the all-Big 12 squad. Not one.”

This is just flat out false as UT players made up half of the pitching staff of the first team all-Big XII squad (Ruffin and Wood).

by DoubleB on Jun 21, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know a lot of Arkansas fans whose feelings are hurt that you don't hate them.

I mean, more than 15 years after they moved to the SEC, they still obsess about the old games with y’all. They desperately want to be someone’s chief rival, and it’s just not happening.

by artiger on Jun 21, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football not included?

Thats the only reason you are winning.

by acho81 on Jun 22, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NCAA

They don’t recognize footbal ltitles. i was going with the official numbers.

The point is not who has more titles really, it’s that Texas can take their haughty attitude and direct it at A&M or someone else. We stack up. I’m tired f having to listen to Texas fans drone on about their atheltic prowess to me. It’s one of the worst things about living in Texas.

The lack of quality seafood in Dallas is #1. I’d push my mother under a Mardi Gras float for a decent crabcake.

by Poseur on Jun 22, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey math major

if you add the football national championships to the national championship race then it is all knotted up at 43 a piece. remember texas has 4 national championships in football to your three. just wanted to throw that little info your way.

The next up and coming Longhorns QB!

by HornsRiverine on Jun 22, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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