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Stoking the Fire

As persona non grata in the Texas blogosphere right now, I should take last night's classic as a chance to backtrack, give Texas credit, and back down from my "LSU is an unstoppable juggernaut" meme.  But I'd rather throw fuel on the fire.

First and foremost, that was a terrific game.  It was one of the most exciting sporting events I have seen, regardless of sport.  Both teams both threw and received some massive punches.  It was a classic heavyweight fight between two of the top teams in the country. 

But it also showed how ridiculous the idea was that LSU would be unable to play a close game.  Texas does not have magic pixie dust, they have a shutdown closer.  So does LSU.  LSU also has a deeper bench which sort of helps in the late innings.  It also might have been the difference in the game.  The standard line coming out of Texas was that they would be so much better prepared to win a close game was silly from the start, and ignored the fact that LSU had faced adversity anyway.  But a good team is a good team, even if they are down two runs.  Did Texas expect LSU to suddenly pack it in if the game got close? 

Some other observations after the jump. 

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AUGIE.  We can thank Augie for the LSU win.  Augie is one of the best coaches in college baseball, but he's sort of the anti-Skip Bertman.  Skip put his players in a position to win and let them achieve gretaness.  Augie not only wants to win, but he likes being the smartest guy on the field.  He likes to make moves which pay off, so that he is the one controlling the outcome.  He trusts his players, but he trusts his ability to manage the game more so.

This isn't a bad way to coach and I'm not saying that it is.  He's won a ton of games and bucket of national titles.  I'm just pointing out that Augie likes to make a lot of moves.  And last night, he made way too many moves for his own good.  In a close game, Augie pulled some of his best hitters for defense.  Once LSU rallied to tie, Texas' biggest guns were left watching the rest of the game from the dugout.  the Longhorns never really threatened after Chad Jones came in the seventh.  It would have been nice had the Longhorns had a few more hitters.

LSU'S BENCH. By contrast, Mainieri also made moves without the ill effect.  When Texas made defensive substitutions, it killed thier offense.  When Mainieiri went to his bench for some more offense, it didn't impact the defense too adversely.  The outfield defense actually improved with Landry out there.  LSU's bench was more flexible, and it paid off in the late innings. 

THE UMP.  Seriously, he was terrible.  The strike zone was all over the place and changed not just from hitter to hitter, but during the same at bat.  I still don't know if that low and outside pitch is a strike or a ball.  Because the ump called it both.  It impacted the game, but it didn't favor either team, I just wanted to point out how lousy he was.

THE PENS.  Texas went all out to win.  Texas, rightly I believe, threw the kitchen sink to win this game.  Texas went to its stud starting pitching to get the critical outs, which could have a negative impact on the next few games.  I believe all those arms are still availble, but I'm not sure how long they can go.  Mainieri's used his pen like a normal game: Jones, Bertuccini, and then Ott.  He trusted his usual bullpen guys to make the outs, and they came through.  Texas' bullpen was supposed to be an advantage, but that's thinking LSU's pen is the same lousy corps we had in March and April, not the shutdown crew we have had in May and June.  Mainieri didn't have to go all "Game 3" and still won.

THE WIN. That's the huge thing.  Apart from the obvious.  Texas hit five home runs.  they opened up their pen and played it like Game 3 of the Series.  They had everything happen they needed to have happen to win... and they lost.  Texas' big advantage was supposed to be their ability to win the close game, well, advantage now goes LSU.    

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This was really the "anti-game"

Neither team really played to their strength.
1) Who would have expected LSU’s bats to get shut down by a RHP? (especially after Schimps first inning HR)
2) Who would have expected Coleman to give up 5 HRs?
3) More importantly who would have expected Texas to HIT 5 HRs?
4) Also, the great Texas D (which was what? 8 thousandths of a point better than ours?) threw a ball into centerfield so that DJ could advance to 3rd and score the winning run.

One of my favorite things about the game was watching Les’ twitter. That dude was pumped. I was really hoping he’d say something about LSU’s “damn strong baseball team”.

Here’s to breaking out the bats tonight and showing these guys what we can do! 15-2!

by LSU Jonno on Jun 23, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe that’s really Les’s twitter like I believe in the tooth fairy

by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probable

Then again, the randomness of the Twitter feed at the end of the game suggests a regular guy like Miles, not some PR/communications guy who would have had something more polished.

I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!

by Mikethetiger on Jun 23, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't his...

But it is so random that it really sounds like it’s him.

by LSU Jonno on Jun 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else see Sportscenter quote Les's Twitter?

Followed by a mention of how Les had never beaten texas while at OSU and has lost by a total of a 100 points (4 times played, I think)? That was pretty cold to me.

I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!

by Mikethetiger on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ump

Totally agree with you, but I thought he called it both ways for each team. I felt he was consistent with the corners. That’s all you can ask. If he’s calling bad. Call it all game.

by Registered CoonAss on Jun 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate this attitude

An ump is not permitted to arbitrarily decide where the strike zone is. It’s over the plate. A pitch eight inches off the plate should not be called a strike, but it was called a strike last night. The fact that he called it for both teams makes no difference.

What if an ump decided to start calling hitters out after two strikes? Would it be “ok” if he consistently did it for both teams? of course not.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the defensive moves

if only b/c they were so early. Texas was only up by two and had at least 2 mroe at bats left; 3 if we went to the 9th, so it was going to hurt them. It was a gamble that there was no way LSU could get 2 more runs, and that 2 more runs was all they needed.

That was cocky, in line with the attitude that had them curtain calling and skipping to the plate after home runs. I don’t feel terribly sorry that they learned to not underestimate LSU the hard way.

I thought the ump was bad too, though it hurt both teams in the end.

GEAUX TIGERS!

I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!

by Mikethetiger on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

baseball...

that game last night was pretty darn good, but it was the first game in a best of three for the college world seies championship. Sounds like the CWS shoud be more epic. But let’s be honest, its an appetizer for the real thing coming in about 80 days. As a UGA fan last year, it became pretty apparent that no one could care whether we won the college world series or lost every single game. I know y’all LSU fans feel the same. Just save some for your trip to Athens. We’re looking foward to it.

by hotdawgin on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

While football is the most important sport

baseball’s pretty big in Baton Rouge. There’s a reason the Tigers fill Alex Box on a regular basis. LSU baseball has always been a very big deal in Louisiana. Just b/c football’s the top dog doesn’t mean baseball isn’t important. LSU is the baseball team for the state of Louisiana; if you like baseball the Tigers are your closest team and the team who you want to see win the most. Right now, I’m not thinking about fighting between the Hedges; I’m thinking of drilling Texas tonight. On thursday, maybe I’ll start thinking about football.

That, and you’re trying to downplay the fact that we owned UGA in baseball this year. While it doesn’t erase the football loss, kicking you guys out of the SEC tournament was pretty sweet.

I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!

by Mikethetiger on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you for this completely valueless post.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

i honestly didn’t follow uga baseball this year, but kudos to y’all for knocking us out. just watching last night you sure seemed to have a great team. I just wanted to comment on the feeling i had after watching what was a big deal in the context of its sport and not really caring much. Just found it strange and wanted to see if anyone had similar opinions. Maybe lsu does care more aobut baseball than uga, or maybe i’m just in the minority about not caring about baseball much. bottom line, i dont lose sleep about baseball. with that being said, beat texas

by hotdawgin on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball IS important to LSU

If you knew anything about attendance for Tiger Baseball you’d understand why it means so much more to us. I believe we average several thousand more a game than you do so there is no comparison.
Not to mention Omaha is in love with LSU because we love our baseball and thousands of fans go and
support their team. I guess you don’t do that in Georgia. How sad for you.

by Totally Spoil on Jun 23, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must be in the minority in Athens.

Are you trying to say that there wasn’t some serious baseball fever going on at the end of last season? Or even this season, around March and April, when UGA was #1? I find it hard to believe that no one really cared, especially with the SEC being a premier baseball conference.

by artiger on Jun 23, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dewd!!!

What is up with the UGA fans flocking to this site talking trash about football in our baseball threads?

First Mauga now this tool?

by LSU Jonno on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DEWD!!!

ya, you are certianly right, I’m the tool here. I was in no way talking trash. Just trying to gain some perspective from some SEC fans in another region of the county. Excuse me for posting on your blog. On the bright side, you have given me some perspective what lsu fans are about.

by hotdawgin on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

That was cocky, in line with the attitude that had them curtain calling and skipping to the plate after home runs. I don’t feel terribly sorry that they learned to not underestimate LSU the hard way.

I’ve always said college baseball players seem to have very little composure. Practically every time either team made a big play they celebrated as though they just won it all. Was a curtain call needed? No. But most the celebration you see out there isn’t. That’s why you take the game for what it is and not get offended by any of it.

You really think they underestimated you? Of all teams Texas understands it is not over till it’s over. Plus, how could they underestimate a team that was played up to be so mighty by the media? Couldn’t I just as easily say LSU underestimated Texas? This was just a great game were Texas finally ended up on the short end of the stick.

by randomguy on Jun 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously.

I’m all for celebrations. While it’s not needed, I’m going to get miffed by a single curtain call or the guys going nuts to meet the guy at the plate.

My problem is that every single Texas home run hitter had to jump up for the curtain call. That was annoying, but I could have lived with it if I hadn’t have seen Keyes I think it was skip/prance to home plate. That’s just uncalled for.

Besides, my bigger point was that the defensive moves by Texas from the 7th on smacked of overconfidence. Going massively defensive with 2 or 3 innings left is a very risky move, a move which only makes sense if LSU can’t score. It’s one thing to do that in the 9th; another to start it in the 7th. Texas must have believed that if Ruffin could shut down LSU so badly, the lefty Wood would have no trouble and so Texas didn’t need to score anymore and could focus on defense. That’s not terribly unreasonable; most LSU fans said the same thing in the thread. The problem comes in betting so much on that as Texas did. LSU really had no business getting back in that game, much less winning it.

I think you can say that LSU was a little cocky/overwhelmed in the beginning of the game. Our hitters were chasing everything. The game came down to LSU settling down just as Texas overplayed its hand, leaving Texas with its pants down when we got to extras (and not just because the “belt broke.”)

I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!

by Mikethetiger on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas Fan Here...

Not here to start anything, just to hopefully offer some insight.

First, I can guarantee that Augie’s moves were not out of overconfidence. He does stuff like that seemingly EVERY close game, much to many Longhorn fans dismay. I was actually surprised to see Keyes still in the game in the 9th vs ASU (when he dove and missed the go ahead hit) because of how often he gets taken out in the late innings. I think it is a case of overcoaching, and I had just been waiting for it to bite Augie one day. That day turned out to be yesterday.

As for the celebrating by our batters… I was very surprised to see that. Normally they are very businesslike with their success… well, with the exception of Keyes. He has always struck me as overly confident, arrogant even. He can hit the damn ball though, and as long as you don’t have a bunch of him on a team, you’ll be fine. I can definitely see why he would rub opposing fans the wrong way though.

As for Moldenhauer’s curtain calls, when they showed the camera on the dugout, I actually thought to myself “please don’t do a curtain call..” I agree it was premature, but who knows how loud the crowd was asking for one. Being in Rosenblatt just last week, I can assure you that even a small, compacted fan base can sound very, very loud… so maybe it sounded like the whole stadium was chanting his name. You’re guess is as good as mine. But I can promise you, Moldenhauer is a high character guy who was just excited. Plus, with the whole world writing us off as a team that couldn’t hit, can you blame a team for getting overly excited with a performance like we were having early on yesterday?

And one last thing… I really hope the internet just brings out the worst in a team’s fanbase. I was in Omaha last week, and all of the LSU folk were incredibly friendly to me (even in my burnt orange) and downright hilarious at times. A far cry from most of the fans I’ve seen on LSU message boards and those who have invaded the Longhorn fansites. I haven’t had much interaction with LSU fans, but I really hope y’all are more like the ones in Omaha. I was actually rooting for us to meet in the finals because of them.

That being said, last night’s game was one for the ages. Here’s hoping for two more. (With different outcomes, of course. ;) )

by Prodigious Clout on Jun 23, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weclome, clout

I keep most of my chest thumping in here, and don’t invade your sites with it. On another tam’s board or blog, it’s important to remember you are a guest. People should act like it. That said, may I offer you some sweet tea?

I wasn’t offended by the curtain calls or the skipping, I just thought it was a bad idea. Like poking a tiger with a stick.

I think Augie made those moves because that’s who Augie is. It’s not overconfidence, it’s over-control. but he can’t suddenly become a different guy, nor would most Texas fans want him to. What he does works most of the time.

by Poseur on Jun 23, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You Kindly

I do love me some sweet tea… as any good southerner should.

I figured that with any team (Longhorns definitely included) you have a few bad apples, and these are the ones who seem to be most vocal online. Good, it seems my initial Omaha impressions were correct.

Although I must say, the mass stereotype of Longhorn fans as arrogant really puzzles me. I can assure you that the vast majority of Longhorn fans I’ve ever met, even before I came to Austin for school, were very polite and friendly. The only time I really see us get riled up is when we are forced to defend this ‘arrogant stereotype.’ I sincerely hope you guys get to see the other side too, because this is the best representation of our fan base.

Well, gametime! May the best team win!

by Prodigious Clout on Jun 23, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"the mass stereotype of Longhorn fans as arrogant really puzzles me"

I think it exists, but I also think the dynamics of the situation play into it. It’s the best state school both academically and athletically with real in-state competition. I’m not sure there is a more arrogant D-I school than Michigan, but it’s the same dynamic. Florida has some it, but there’s also legitimate competition with Miami and FSU.

LSU IS the state school of Louisiana. I don’t see them talking a lot of sh!t with UL-Lafayette fans.

by DoubleB on Jun 23, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LeMahieu's bunt

after disagreeing with your for most of the season about the value of the sacrifice bunt, I figured we finally had a situation to agree on with DJ’s sacrifice after Nola led of the inning with a single.

no diatribe against not playing for the tailor-made big inning with a leadoff runner aboard and, in succession, your best hitter for average followed by your two leading home run hitters?

by Justin C on Jun 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LSU vs UGA

As a recent UGA grad (’07) as well as a diehard LSU fan who was born and raised only a couple of miles from Death Valley I wanted to weigh in on LSU baseball vs UGA baseball.
 
In my opinion, LSU fans do care about their baseball team much more than the Georgia faithful. This is not to say that UGA has disloyal fans because that is not the case. LSU baseball is just a much bigger deal in Louisiana than UGA baseball will probably ever be for a number of reasons.

As already stated, people in Louisiana don’t really have another baseball team to cheer for whereas almost everyone in Georgia is also a passionate Braves fan. LSU also has a much richer baseball tradition than UGA and their fans are extremely proud of that. This series means so much for me because I want to bring back the dynasty years that I grew up watching. Finally, and I could be wrong about this, but I think Louisiana cares a little more about baseball than Georgia. In Louisiana the big 3 high school sports are clearly football, basketball & baseball. In Georgia, lacrosse is also played during baseball season and although it might not be as popular as baseball (depending on what part of Georgia you are in) it still competes with baseball whereas in Louisiana you pretty much play baseball or don’t play a sport that season.

Not that anyone asked but that is my two cents on the matter.

by TigerDawg on Jun 23, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough Mike

Though, I did take a different perspective from the 7th inning switch. First, I’m not a big baseball guy so I could be flat out wrong. I thought he took the defensive stand because he knew LSU can score. Rather than trying to outscore a team with better bats he tried to nurse the slight lead we had and prevent LSU from making a run. One of those things that would have been genius if it would had worked, but now looks like a terrible move since it did not. Overall, I can’t reason why you would take out your two of your hottest hitters under any circumstance. When LSU tied the game up we were forced to watch two pretty poor hitters try to win it in place of two hitter that could win it.

by randomguy on Jun 23, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to believe that the net gain defensively

is worth the net drop offensively in a close game. This is simply an opinion, but it’s been my experience that “small ball” coaches have more of a tendency to make defensive substitutions earlier and with smaller leads than coaches who like to slug away, i.e. they allow their own offensive strategy to influence their defensive strategy rather than what the other team offers.

Will you stop it with the vegetables

by Man Mountain on Jun 23, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree..

really, over the course of an entire game, how many outs is good defense likely to give you that average defense wouldn’t? This is not an opinion we’ve gotten into here, because LSU so rarely does anything like it, but I think late defensive substitutions are rarely worthwhile, especially when you’re substituting someone into the game who is an offensive liability.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Jun 23, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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