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Big Games On the Schedule, Part 4, 11/21 @Ole Miss

If you ask people who LSU's biggest rival, your answer will largely depend on the generation of the person you're asking.  If you're asking someone, oh, 25 years old and younger, you may get "Florida" or "Bama" as an answer.  If you're asking someone who is over 50 years of age, your answer may well be "Ole Miss" or even "Tulane".  In between, the answer may be "Auburn".

It goes back to a problem LSU has had for a while.  We have no real natural rivals.  I think many LSU fans would rate Bama as the biggest rival, but almost no Bama fan would rank LSU any higher than 3rd on their hate list, behind Tennessee and Auburn.  Many LSU fans would say Auburn is our biggest rival, but Auburn would probably also rate us 3rd, behind Georgia and Bama.  Florida would probably rate us 3rd as well, behind Tennessee and Georgia.  Arkansas would probably rate us, at best, second, behind Texas.

Ole Miss?  Ole Miss is a different story.  Ole Miss is the closest thing we have to a natural rival.  The rivalry has cooled among younger generations in recent years because, frankly, Ole Miss had not kept up with us this decade, and many would say that the 1990s hardly count when it comes to LSU football.  That changed last year.

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In the midst of a very tough year for LSU, when two systemic problems caught up to us.  First, our inability to recruit a quarterback either the year before or the year after signing Ryan Perrilloux meant that when Perrilloux was finally jettisoned, we had no experienced QB to turn to, even as a stopgap measure.  Second, the personnel decisions we made on the coaching staff backfired immediately and spectacularly.  

This had a number of bad results, among the most notable was an embarrassing 31-13 loss to an Ole Miss team we had beaten every year seemingly from time immemorial.

To be fair, Ole Miss really put it together last year.  Several consecutive years of solid recruiting and the ultimate insertion of a genuinely competent quarterback allowed the Rebels to turn the corner and become dangerous again.  A lot of people will attribute this to the influence of new head coach Houston Nutt, but I really think the credit goes to Ed Orgeron for bringing in Jevan Snead and a host of solid veterans like Peria Jerry, Greg Hardy, Mike Wallace, and Michael Oher.

Snead and Hardy are back for another season, though Hardy recently reinjured his chronically gimpy foot in a pretty scary-sounding car accident in which he was fortunate not to be more seriously injured.  If Hardy is healthy, they will provide the nucleus of what should be a pretty good team, though I am skeptical of all this talk of Ole Miss being a top 5 team.  It's great to have the QB play, but Ole Miss isn't sneaking up on anyone this year like they did last year, and they will miss Oher and Jerry immensely.

The good news for Ole Miss is that they probably have the easiest schedule in all the SEC.  Their nonconference schedule consists of Memphis, SLU, UAB, and Northern Arizona.  Northern Arizona lost to Weber State and Montana last year by a combined 87-24 score.  I don't really fault a team for playing patsies outside the conference.  Actually, I kind of do, but I can't complain too much because we're guilty of it too.  The other aspect of Ole Miss's schedule that makes it easy is that they don't play either of the two best teams in the Eastern Division, Florida and Georgia.  Instead, they get South Carolina, Vandy, and Tennessee.  They also get LSU, Arkansas, and Bama at home.  They have, therefore, among the easiest nonconference schedule, the easiest cross-division schedule, and the easiest intradivision schedule in the SEC West.

Which is of course to say nothing of what they will do against us.  I think the key matchup here will be how the revamped LSU secondary handles the passing attack Jevan Snead will throw at us.  Yes, I know the "Wild Rebel" with Dexter McCluster will get a lot of press, but in watching it last year I never really saw where it was all that effective.  McCluster got some yards, but he was no Darren McFadden, and he was no threat to throw the ball.  Plus, he fumbled a good bit.  Overall, I'm not really sure the Wild Rebel really helped them last year, and I'm not sure it will help them this year.  

Another key will be how the Ole Miss secondary, a bit of a problem for them last year, improves in the 2009 season.  No conference team gave up more yards passing per game (and cumulatively) than did Ole Miss.  They were the only pass defense in the conference that gave up more than LSU's did.  Ole Miss was 10th in pass efficiency defense, mainly because they actually got a good number of interceptions, but they gave up the highest completion percentage in the league.  With Jarrett Lee getting hurt last year and being replaced by Jordan Jefferson, we were never really able to take advantage of that against them, but they sure shredded our pass defense with an 11.0 yard per attempt average with two touchdowns.

This is a different year for both teams, and while I'm not "scared" of Ole Miss, they certainly present a very credible threat.  They will have legitimately one of the best QBs in the league, and they will have a very solid defensive line, especially if Greg Hardy can return to health.  This will be an important late-season battle for the Tigers.

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Ole Miss Rivalry

As someone who is over 50, a good deal over, I can say unequivocally that Ole Miss was our biggest rival back then. The week prior to the game, home or away, the campus was in a frenzy. I’ve mentioned in the past my dorm room at the time was in Tiger Stadium. Go to Hell Ole Miss signs hung out of nearly every window. I was there in ’64 when we beat them late, really late, 11 – 10 on a two point conversion Ezell to Moreau. I swear that every Tiger fan there and back then that was 70+ thousand chanted in unison, TWO, TWO, TWO before old Cholly Mac sent the play in. I thought the stadium was going to implode. That was probably one of the best, if not the best, football games I every attended, ever. Go to Hell Ole Miss, Go to Hell

by Tiger6367 on Jul 15, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Ole Miss is not a top ten team

Saying Ole Miss had a bit of a problem on pass defense is like saying Jarrett Lee had a bit of a problem with turnovers. Ole Miss’ pass defense was terrible last year. Now, it could improve a la Florida from 2007 to 2008, who went from a miserable pass defense to a pretty good one as players developed. But I don’t think so.

Ole Miss, and this is probably giving away a future column, is not a top ten team. It’s nice that a team so traditionally poor is getting some preseason love, but I’m not buying Ole Miss as a top ten team. That defense has to radically improve for it to happen.

by Poseur on Jul 15, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know Poseur

With Snead having a (good) year under his belt, and Hardy returning, it’s hard for me to keep them out of the top ten, especially with their scheduling stars aligning just right. Of course, being top ten at this point of the year doesn’t do much for you later on, does it?

by artiger on Jul 15, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Ole Miss isn’t that good. Nutt historically either overachieves or underachieves.
I look for them to be underachieving once again.

by therick2323 on Jul 15, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

UNDERACHIEVING?

So glad to see that Ole Miss has you LOOKING for the Rebels to do just as you THINK they will. I suggest you LOOK in the mirror and go back to bed……you didn’t get enough sleep.

by JMGreb on Jul 19, 2009 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

WE OWE OLE MISS

Ole Miss is a legit team, are they top 5? Don’t think so. But really the big thing to think about is this. We owe Ole Miss. Last year’s 31-13 loss was embarrassing. We owe it to the Rebels to walk into Oxford and pay them back for last year.

Geaux Tigers!

by ChrisGeaux on Jul 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, we owe them

But along those lines, I’d say we owe UGA just as big a favor. Florida too, while we’re at it. I’ll bet our “best and brightest” will welcome Tebow with open arms and true Southern hospitality.

by artiger on Jul 15, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

EMBARRASSING? GET OVER YOURSELVES.

I’d hate to see what certain LSUX fans truly consider as ‘Embarrassing’. You think losing to a 9 – 4 Cotton Bowl winner team is ‘Embarrassing’, perish the thought of what you think losing to a much lesser team/program.

Get over yourselves. Ole Miss had lost to LSUX for 6 years in a row—-with over half of the Tigers victories vs deferior Rebel teams, too, (4 games during 2004 – 2007 seasons). In fact, I suggest you take a look at the 3 previous Ole Miss – LSUX games played in Baton Rouge (notwithstanding, of course, last year’s Ole Miss Rebel NON-EMBARRASSING victory of 31 – 13 when the game ended with Ole Miss ready to score ONCE again while on the LSUX one-yard line). LSUX won those 3 previous BR games but by the sheer skin of their teeth. Guess if Ole Miss had pulled out a victory in one of those 3 games, LSUX fans would have decided to burn down the State Capital!

by JMGreb on Jul 19, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ole Miss isn't in the top 5....

But neither are we, at the moment (except in EA’s NCAA 2010….which doesn’t count). This will in all likelihood be a very competitive game—even if either or both of the teams don’t live up to expectations. Being a bit of an optimist, I believe that florida is the only game that would be a stretch to win and that Ole Miss is definitely beatable. It really hinges on our D stepping it up and Jefferson making smart plays (not big plays, just smart plays, like most of his passes vs. GT last year).

by Andrew Tessier on Jul 15, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

rivals

i also remember our great rivalry w/ ol miss. but, over the years it has been made clear by the rebels that we were considered just another sec rival. the rebs have always considered miss st, then bama, then tenn and sometimes lsu in the top 5 of their rivals.
i believe arkansas will be our long term natural rival. but, until that matures, i think the order is florida, auburn, ol miss, ark and then bama. but, in other words, we have to always beat them all.
with chavis our defense will be comparable to fl. with crowton not having to make magic w/ 3rd and 4th string qbs, we will see a NEW kind of football. we will see GUMBEAUX RULE. this year is gonna be sooo exciting, because if you remember, miles likes to gamble.
GEAUX TIGAH GUMBEAUX.

by blackjackjackson on Jul 15, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Wrong

As an Ole Miss fan, I can assure you that LSU is #1 for at least 65% of the fan base.

I barely consider MSU a rival. The only reason I never want to lose to them is because they’re a terrible team. Losing to a team that wins 4 games is despicable. Just ask Vanderbilt circa 2006 (when a terrible… terrible Ole Miss team beat them).

by Juco All-American on Jul 16, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

At least 95% of our fanbase would have LSU as one of our top 2 rivals. It’s not even an argument among Rebs. The only argument how MSU and LSU are ranked. Some say MSU is a bigger rival, others say LSU. But everyone knows those are the top 2. A lot of Ole Miss, myself included, grew up or live in Alabama and hate the Tide more than any other team. But, while I hate the hell out of them, we’re not “rivals”.

Some of the old timers still hate UT from back in Archie’s days when Steve Kiner made some not-so-flattering remarks about Archie and the rest of the team. But, I’ve never heard anyone refer to them as one of our rivals.

by ssmund on Jul 16, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I had a feeling

that rumors of this rivalry’s demise were exaggerated.

by artiger on Jul 17, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

MANY would say that the 1990s hardly count when it comes to LSU football???

MANY?

Who are these MANY???

Those MANY that say that the 1990’s don’t count when it comes to LSUX football? Are THEY the SAME ‘MANY’ who would also say that the past few years….say, since, AT LEAST, 2003, that those seasons DO count when it comes to LSUX football???

If that were the case and was something that ALL college football fans could do, then I, too, as a die-hard Ole Miss alum and fan of ALL & ANY things Ole Miss, I, too, would love to be able to have my cake and eat it, too. But, I am smart enough to KNOW & REALIZE that is just not how the game of college football works, or anything else in life for that matter.

Just b/c LSUX had six LOSING seasons in a row under the leadership of USM HC, Curley Hallman, couldn’t beat Alabummer at Home for some 30 years, and was up and down in the 90’s (except in Baseball where you guys KICKED MAJOR AS-)….and, similarly, when Ole Miss SUCKED in 2004 during the last year under STUBBORN, Won’t Let Go of Any My Asst Coaches & Sorry As- Recruiter FORMER HC, David ‘Elmer Fudd’ Cutcliffe and then afterwards, even moreso over the next 3 years while under the ‘leadership’ of HORRIFICALLY, PITIFUL FORMER HC, Ed ’3 SEC WINS IN 3 YEARS ’ Orgeron…….

The biggest challenge and problem with this ‘up & down’ rivalry has been the inability of BOTH programs to be at the TOP of their games SIMULTANEOUSLY. Admittedly, MORE of that NOT occurring kind-of blame can be placed at the feet of Ole Miss and rightfully so. Only two games in recent memory say otherwise…….Last season’ s Ole Miss NON-EMBARRASSING WIN in Baton Rouge (CONVINCING WIN, too………contrary to prior remark of describing as ‘losing to the Rebels as being embarrassing’) when the Rebels proved to be the better team and the classic 2003 game in Oxford when the Tigers won (leading them to their First of 2 BCS Nat’l Titles of this Decade)

Am a 1986 graduate of Ole Miss and not privy to all the great games of lore b/t the Rebels and Tigers during the 1950’s and 1960’s. I only discovered earlier this decade that Rebel HC, Johnny Vaught, chose to move several Ole Miss HOME games to Baton Rouge b/c of the add’l revenue but, more importantly, b/c of the atmosphere & ‘setting’——just as in Real Estate, same merits true in football: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. And, you sure can’t blame the man, either, because, under Coach Vaught, Ole Miss was 15 – 7 – 2 with many of Ole Miss’ HOME wins taking place in good ol’ Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge as the HOME team. Coach Vaught knew now what is still known today. You just can’t beat and find a better ‘setting’ in all of college football than when Ole Miss and LSU (BOTH nationally ranked) —-suit it up to knock heads on a late October Saturday ‘HALLOWEEN’ night.

NEITHER program can ‘Pick & Choose’. NO cherry-picking allowed.

Hotty Toddy from Seattle

by JMGreb on Jul 19, 2009 2:37 AM CDT reply actions  

SCARED??? Of LSUX???

For Ole Miss fans, the feeling is LIKEWISE. NOT scared of LSUX, either.

by JMGreb on Jul 19, 2009 2:54 AM CDT reply actions  

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