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If Preseason Polls Were Based on Recruiting Rankings

The USA Today Coaches Farce Poll was released on Friday, and I'm sure everyone has seen it. If you haven't, it looks a lot like last year's end of the year poll at the top, minus Utah. LSU came in a respectable ninth despite a sub-par 8-5 season, no doubt a tribute to what Jordan Jefferson did in the Peach Chik-Fil-A Bowl and John Chavis did over 14 years at Tennessee. Well, that and the fact that LSU has recruited like gangbusters over the past four or five years. That got me thinking. What if recruiting rankings were used to come up with the preseason top 25? I mean we don't really know anythiing about these teams except how much talent they have, right. See how things would have fallen below the fold.

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So, what I did was go back over the past five recruiting classes and cataloged the top 25 from each year. I used the Rivals rankings, Scout rankings and ESPN rankings. If a team made the top 25 in any of the past five years (ESPN only has the last four years online) from any of the three recruiting services, I went back and found it's ranking outside the top 25 from the other years and applied it (for example, Tennessee was 10th last year on Rivals, but 35th in 2008). In the case of ESPN, they only do a top 25, so if a team finished outside the top 25, I gave it its highest ranking from the other two services.

Each ranking had a corresponding point value: 1st got 100 pts, 2nd got 99 pts, 3rd got 98 pts, etc. I then weighted the yearly rankings. This year's incoming freshman class (2009) was worth one point, 2008 worth two points, 2007 worth three, 2006 also worth three and 2005 worth one. That means the theoretical junior and senior classes counted for three times more than the incoming freshmen while sophomores were right in the middle. The fifth-year seniors were equal to the incoming freshmen, because they generally are very small in numbers due to attrition. 

Here's how it turned out:

 

Rk Team Pts

 

1 USC 2830

2 Florida 2809

3 Texas 2735

4 Georgia 2715

5 LSU 2713

6 Notre Dame 2640

7 Michigan 2636

8 Ohio State 2611

9 Alabama 2592

10 Miami 2588

11 Auburn 2567

12 Oklahoma 2554

13 Florida State 2533

14 Tennessee 2444

15 Clemson 2422

16 South Carolina 2382

17 Penn State 2316

18 Nebraska 2286

19 Pittsburgh 2273

20 North Carolina 2269

21 Texas A&M 2267

22 UCLA 2253

23 California 2242

24 Virginia Tech 2241

25 Ole Miss 2231

This list is obviously not 100 percent accurate, but it will be interesting how it compares to the end of the year top 25. A few things were of note to me:
  • USC and Florida's numbers are amazing considering there was a total of 2,900 possible points. 
  • LSU fits in right about where you think it might at No. 5. 
  • Jevan Snead doesn't count towards any of Ole Miss's recruiting classes because he was a transfer. But does anyone believe he is good enough to make a team with 25th-ranked talent a top-five squad?
  • After last season's magical run, every one keeps saying this year was the year everyone was pointing to for Alabama. However, it seems next year will be the first time the Crimson Tide will be truly scary. 
  • Nobody has does more with less than Virginia Tech, and right now Oklahoma State (28th).
  • Nobody has does less with more than Charlie Weis, as well as Auburn, Miami and Michigan right now
  • Oklahoma at 12th? Blame it on a clunker of a class in 2007. It wasn't the quality, it was that they just didn't sign very many players.
  • Ten SEC teams ranked amongst the 49 that had at least one class in the top 25. Those ten all fell in the top 36. Kentucky and Vanderbilt, both of whom won bowl games last year were the two that didn't.
  • USC's utter dominance will come to an end soon. Yes, the Trojans will still be one of the best teams in the country, but they've fallen off recruiting the last two years from their seemingly never-ending string of 1-2-3 finishes. In 2008, their average ranking was 8.0 before 5.7 a year ago. It might take two years and someone proving they are worth a crap in the Pac 10 before anyone in the media notices. You heard it here first, USC will lose three games in either 2010 or 2011.
  • Only two teams have had a top 10 recruiting class (when averaging the three services rankings) each of the past four years: USC and LSU.

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Some points about Auburn's percieved "doing less with more"...

I haven’t done enough research on the rest of the SEC or NCAA to know how normal this is (nor will I) but in my opinion it appears that Auburn’s recruiting rankings are very, very skewed.

For example:

Let’s look at 2006-2009 recruiting for Auburn using the Rival’s database.

Auburn had 43 combined 4 and 5 star recruits over that time span. Taking just a quick look at the names in their classes you can gather that these rankings are at least slightly skewed becuase guys like Ontario McCaleb, Jermaine Johnson, and Raven Gray (some of AU’s most touted players over the last 3 years) are all counted twice.

Sure this happens at every school. LSU for example counted Deangelo Benton twice and he’s not even on our current roster. But this appears to have happened much more frequently at Auburn than LSU, and possibly most schools.

What happens when you try to find Auburn’s 43 combined 4 and 5 star players that they’ve recruited over the past 4 years on their current roster?

2006:
In 2006 AU boasted 15 combined 4 and 5 star players. (which is 1 more than LSU can claim). However out of those 15 players only 9 are still on the team, or 60%. LSU has 7/14 players still on the team, or 50% however that number includes the departure of Jared Mitchell who was drafted in the first round of this years MLB draft. I’m temped to throw Mitchell out and call this 7/13 for 54%.

2007:
In 2007 AU boasted 13 combined 4 and 5 star players. (LSU signed 21). However out of those 13 players only 7 are currently on the team, or 54%. LSU has 15/21 or 71%. That includes the departure of Byrd who has played through his eligability since he was a Juco transfer. For the purposes of this analysis though, it makes sense to count him in the numbers.

2008:
In 2008, AU really started to feel the burn from Saban, and managed only 6 combined 4 and 5 star recruits. Out of those 6 only 3 are on the current roster or 50%. LSU signed 13 combined 4 and 5 star recruits, 12 of which are still on the team, or 92%.

2009:
In 2009, AU again had a lackluster year recruiting with only 9 combined 4 and 5 star recruits. Out of those 9, 7 are currently listed on Auburn’s roster. However, Ontario McCaleb was already counted in the ‘08 class so I will remove his name from this list reducing the numbers to 6/9. Also, according to this article Paige hadn’t made it to campus as of August 9 because he’s waiting for the clearing house. He is listed on Auburn’s roster however. I won’t count him either, because Loston appears to be in the same boat yet he is listed on LSU’s roster. So AU’s numbers drop to 5/9 or 56%. LSU signed 15 combined 4 and 5 star recruits in 2009, 14 of which are currently on the team. The one missing so far being the afore mentioned Loston.

So what does this all mean?

Well, by looking at the current rosters, of Auburns 43 combined 4 and 5 star players that they signed between 2006-2009, only 24 of those players are still on the team, or 56%. LSU has 48 of their 62 combined 4 and 5 star players for 77%. Or 48 of 63 for 76% if we count Jared Mitchell. In my opinion, this seems like a very wide gap. A gap that is probably wide enough to explain why despite a one game differential in conference records last year, LSU is picked preseason #9 and Auburn wasn’t close to cracking the top 25.

So I don’t think it is correct to label Auburn is a program that is “doing less with more”. I do think it is correct to label Auburn as a program that has completely fallen asleep on the recruiting trail and is probably playing par for the course considering the talent that is actually on the current roster. This means Auburn is not likely headed for a quick turn around like LSU is predicted to have. This will be a rebuilding process for Auburn that will take several years to get out of.

It would be interesting to compare the number of 4 and 5 star recruits on Auburns current team to programs like South Carolina, Ole MIss, and Arkansas. Teams that Auburn should be beating, but have seemed to have fallen behind.

by LSU Jonno on Aug 12, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

They are important, and they do serve as somewhat of a reasonable indicator of who

is and isn’t talented, but recruiting rankings are overrated.

If they were as accurate as some people would like to beleive, then Boise State, Utah, TCU, and BYU would all be terrible-to-mediocre while Auburn, Texas A&M, and Michigan wouldn’t have had losing seasons last year.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a fair point, but ...

What if Boise State, Utah, TCU or BYU were in the SEC. What would their record have been? 8-4?

by Purple Reign on Aug 12, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree...

You can’t look at this as an absolute scale really. You have to look at a team’s recruiting ranking relative to the other schools in their conference.

Also, I like to treat recruiting rankings as a probability that a team will succeed. Not necessarily as an end-all be-all indicator. So when doing a running total like Purple Reign did here for a particular season, it would appear that USC, Florida, UGA, Texas, and LSU have the greatest probability of success based on the players they recruited. Obbviously this isn’t the whole story, but in my opinion recruiting makes up more than 50% of the “college football success formula”.

by LSU Jonno on Aug 13, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it plays a huge role, no doubt.

Dr. Saturday did a piece on it once where he basically showed that almost HALF of all five star recruits are eventually drafted into the NFL. So, when you sign a five star, you’ve basically got a guy who has a 50/50 shot of playing at the most elite of levels.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 13, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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