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ATVS Quarterback Productivity Index: Let's Look At the Numbers

On Friday, I introduced you (again) to the ATVS Quarterback Productivity Index.  It is an attempt to improve upon the traditional, but not terribly helpful, "Passer Rating".  It is measured in yards per attempt, with bonuses and penalties for interceptions and touchdowns, and includes quarterback rushing statistics as well.  Here is the formula:

Passer Rating = (yards passing + yards rushing - yards lost by sack + 5*(First down completions and runs) + 20*Number of Touchdowns - 30*Number of Turnovers)/(Number of pass attempts + rush attempts).

You should think of this as giving a value for how much yardage a quarterback is worth when his number is called, with bonuses and penalties.

I was asked by LSUJonno to take a look at some numbers.  I agreed, but there is one problem with that request.  One of the statistics I use to compile the index is not generally kept.  Without good statistics on 1st Downs, it is impossible to get a good indication of where the numbers are.  So, I calculated the numbers simply taking out the 1st down statistics.  This should make a dramatic impact on the absolute scale of numbers, as most quarterbacks will probably get 1st downs on approximately half of their completed passes.  With a 1st down being worth 5 bonus yards above and beyond the yardage actually gained, you can expect that the actual numbers using the full formula would be 1 to 2 yards higher than are given.

Also, please note, that according to ESPN statistics, no quarterback in the SEC lost a fumble, so that part of the formula washes out.

Before we take a look at the numbers, let's take a look at the perceptions.  If you ask most observers, they would say that in 2008, there were 3 top-tier quarterbacks in the SEC:  Tim Tebow of Florida, Matthew Stafford of Georgia, and Jevan Snead of Ole Miss.  After that, most would say that there was a second tier of John Parker Wilson of Bama and Casey Dick of Arkansas.  Then, there was a monstrous collection of suck throughout the conference.  Let's see if the numbers bear this out:

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ATVSQBPI Ratings for 2008 SEC Quarterbacks:

Quarterback ATVSQBPI (y/play)
Tim Tebow, Florida 8.73
Matthew Stafford, Georgia 8.49
Jevan Snead, Ole Miss 7.84
John Parker Wilson, Bama 5.87
Casey Dick, Arkansas 5.68
Jarrett Lee, LSU 5.56
Chris Smelley, South Carolina 5.12
Jordan Jefferson, LSU 5.11
Nick Stephens, Tennessee 5.10
Kodi Burns, Auburn 5.02
Chris Nickson, Vandy 5.01
Stephen Garcia, South Carolina 4.95
Tyson Lee, Mississippi State 4.86
Mike Hartline, Kentucky 4.77
Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee 4.34
Mackenzi Adams, Vandy 4.03
Chris Todd, Auburn 4.02
Wesley Carroll, Mississippi State 2.85

Most of our initial prejudices appear to be born out.  There is definitely a first tier, and it includes the quarterbacks we would have expected.  Tebow, Stafford, and Snead, and no others.

While Casey Dick and John Parker Wilson were the next two quarterbacks, the second tier didn't quite develop as I would have expected.  Jarrett Lee is right there with him, and for that I think you can thank the fact that the formula I use does not distinguish between interceptions returned for a touchdowns and interceptions with no return.  After Lee, it is not all that far to the Smelleys and Burnses of the conference.

Also, it is important to realize that other than the top 3 quarterbacks on the list, almost no one had a very good TD/Int ratio.  Nine quarterbacks in the SEC threw more interceptions than touchdowns, and 4 had ratios pretty close to 1:1.  In the entire SEC, only the following QBs (among the ones with appreciable statistics) had a TD/Int ratio better than 1.5:1:  Tebow, Stafford, Snead, Nathan Dick, Jordan Jefferson, and Chris Nickson.  That's it.

I did not list the raw statistics, but another feature here is that every quarterbacks rating suffered as a result of their rushing statistics, which is not surprising considering "rushes" includes sacks as well as mad scrambles to escape a rush, which often result in very short gains.  The question becomes how much do the rushing statistics hurt each quarterback, and how are they relative to each other.  The unfortunate side effect is that quarterbacks who had a lot of designed runs suffered disproportionately, and probably unfairly.  Kodi Burns and Stephen Garcia especially saw their ratings suffer.

Tim Tebow's ratings did not suffer much for his running because he's just that darn good at it, and his touchdown numbers really kept him high up the list.

Jarrett Lee was easily the least effective rusher, failing to score a rushing touchdown and averaging a whopping 8.82 yard loss per rush.  The good news is that he did not have a lot of rushes, which means he did a good job of getting rid of the ball.  But then again, see his 16 interceptions.

It does verify what I told Team Speed Kills back when they were previewing LSU, which was that Jarrett Lee was not the worst QB in the conference.  In fact, statistically (both in passer ratings and in ATVSQBPI) he was towards the middle of the pack.  People just remember the returns, which weren't really his fault beyond the fact that he threw the interceptions.  But everyone threw interceptions except Tebow, Snead, Stafford, and Nickson.  Lee was not good, but there were a LOT of 'not good' quarterbacks in the SEC.  Among the 'not good' quarterbacks, Lee was actually one of the better ones, especially if you don't blame him for the fact that so many of his interceptions had big returns.

You can decide for yourself if those returns are his fault, beyond the mere fact that he threw the interception that led to the return.

It's too bad I could not add in the first down statistics, as it would have been interesting to see if they made a significant difference in how the quarterbacks ranked. 

Here is a link to the spreadsheet with the raw data if you're interested.

2008 Quarterback Statistics

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These ratings seem pretty fair . . .

. . . based on what I saw on the field last season. I also enjoyed the analysis on Jarrett Lee. I still feel that he has been treated somewhat unfairly by the LSU fans in general. As a redshirt freshman, he actually had some pretty decent moments. Redshirt freshmen tend to suffer in their first season of play, and Lee was no exception. Not that I want Jordan Jefferson to get injured, or for Russell Shepard to be not worth the hype, but I do want Jarrett Lee to get a shot at redemption with LSU in some way, shape, or form. I think after a year in the fire and a long offseason to get better, he is likely to play with greater decision making from here on out. He can make all the throws.

Two questions:

1.) Are you only running these statistics through for last year, or are you going to crunch the numbers retroactively for earlier SEC seasons? I am particularly interested to see how your formula treats Tim Tebow’s Heisman-winning season.

2.) How far back to the stats that you need to plug in your formula go? It would be interesting to go back and check out some exceptional running QBs from the past (Vick, McNabb, etc.) to see how well the formula manages to incorporate successful running from the quarterback.

by Monkey Poop Battle on Aug 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We will compute previous seasons soon..

I don’t know if I’m interested in going back to Vick and McNabb. I will freely admit that the formula does not do justice to “running backs playing quarterback”. In a perfect world, we would remove designed runs from the equation entirely, and treat them as a separate kind of play. We just don’t have any way of getting that kind of breakdown.

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by Richard Pittman on Aug 17, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, and your big problem with designed runs for the QB is to designate

exactly which plays are designed runs.

I get sick and tired of hearing an announcer call a zone read “a designed QB keepr”. It isn’t a designed play, it is a read.

The only way to determine true designed runs are to look at the film and watch for QB drives. That is time consuming and would be difficult to keep accurate.

by Beergut on Aug 18, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Admittedly, there is no way to get that breakdown..

which is a weakness in the formula. ideally, you would want to include only those plays where the play called for the quarterback to look to pass. If he takes off running because a lane opens up or because he is feeling pressure, I would consider those to be “passing offense” yards. All those Tebow dive plays, though, are not properly considered to be within the passing offense, and ideally those would be removed from this formula. There’s no way to do that, though.

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by Richard Pittman on Aug 19, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

I would say the SEC had only one great QB (Tebow), one good one (who I think was overhyped b/c of his pro prospects more than his actual performance on the field) in Stafford, and one okay QB in Snead. The rest of the QBs in conference were below average to complete suck.

The third best QB in the SEC (Snead) wasn’t even good enough to win a starting job at a Big 12 school. What the Big 12 has (and the SEC lacks) is a large group of difference-makers at QB. The QBs in the Big 12 are the stars of their offenses, and they make the offenses go. With the exception of Tebow and possibly Stafford, the SEC has more game managers at QB than they do difference-makers.

The SEC has more of their game-changers at TB than they do at QB, imo.

by Beergut on Aug 18, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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