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A Closer Look At Jarrett Lee's ATVSQBPI

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I know I promised that I would give you a look at the And The Valley Shook Quarterback Productivity Index of other quarterbacks around the country, but I had a better idea.  One of the themes of Saturday's post was that, in terms of yards per attempt, even adjusted for normal and ordinary interceptions, Jarrett Lee's rating (while bad) was not worse than the rest of the conference, and in fact was pretty much middle of the road.  

But let's take a closer look at how it got that way, and just as importantly, how it got to be perceived that things were so bad.  Let's look at Lee's stats, broken down by category, and broken down by game, after the jump:

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Game yards attempts completions touchdowns interceptions yards rushing attempts ATVSQBPI
AppState 116 10 6 2 1 0 0 12.60
NorthTexas 84 18 10 0 0 0 0 4.67
Auburn 182 22 11 2 1 0 0 8.73
Miss. State 261 27 18 2 1 -20 1 8.96
Florida 209 38 23 2 2 -15 2 4.35
S. Carolina 189 24 16 0 1 -8 1 5.59
Georgia 287 28 14 3 3 -4 1 8.72
Tulane 99 20 8 1 1 -33 2 2.55
Alabama 181 34 13 1 4 -3 1 2.23
Troy 216 34 20 1 1 -7 2 5.53
Ole Miss 49 12 4 0 1 -7 1 0.92
Totals 1873 269 143 14 16 -97 11 5.63

Let's ignore for just a minute that these stats are wrong.  I pulled them directly from ESPN's page on Jarrett Lee, broken down game-by-game.  They've credited him with one extra touchdown pass, and I'm not going to figure out where they've added it.  Anyway, let's look at things game by game here.  Keep in mind, in the SEC last year, a rating of about 6.0 was pretty good.

Things started out very well for Jarrett Lee.  Against Appalachian State, he had 116 yards on 10 attempts, with 2 touchdowns and an interception.  Those are good numbers and that's reflected in his ATVSQBPI, which came out to a Sam Bradford-esque 12.60 yards per attempt.  In fact, the first part of the year was pretty good for Lee.  He wasn't so hot against North Texas, as he did not have a touchdown pass and did not have a high average, and it is reflected in his ATVSQBPI.  Everyone remembers his terrible interception against Auburn and his struggles throughout the first half of that game.  That narrative fits with the narrative of the rest of the season, which was of Lee throwing bad interceptions and hurting the team, but if you remember the story after that game, it was a story of redemption, as Lee's sparkling 2nd half play led us back into the game.  As PurpleReign said, the QB derby was over, and Lee had won it.  Jarrett Lee had the world in his palm for two weeks, as his play against Mississippi State the next week was also stellar.  

At this point, it would have been fair to say that Jarrett Lee was one of the most productive QBs in the conference.  He had a couple of bad interceptions, but his TD/Int ratio was a healthy 2:1 in his favor, and his yards per attempt ratio was over 8.3 yards per attempt.  He was doing great.  It was about to come to a crashing halt.

The Florida game was the start of the decline, and his 2 interceptions returned for a touchdown set the tone for the rest of the season, as despite having a decent yards/attempt in Gainesville, and despite throwing 2 touchdown passes, no one remembers the touchdowns, and the interceptions outweighed them both in determining the outcome and in determining his ATVSQBPI.

Still, he wasn't done yet.  He had a not-bad game against South Carolina, at least by 2008 SEC standards, and despite his interceptions against Georgia he at least had a lot of production.  You can point to this game and Lee's very good ATVSQBPI and point to it as a weakness in the measurement.  Surely you cannot say that a game in which Lee threw a disastrous game-opening interception returned for a touchdown was a good game, but you can't have selective memory.  He also threw three touchdown passes and averaged nearly 10 yards per attempt.  His 3 interceptions are counted in the formula, and no index in the world can account for the timing of those interceptions.  If you remember the bad, you also have to remember the good, and Lee was good enough in that game that had our defense played decently we could have won.

The wheels had come off his bid to be one of the top QBs in the conference, but he was still playing, but things would get worse.  His game against Tulane was unproductive, the Alabama game was a personal disaster as his poor play was undoubtedly one of the decisive factors in the game.

He was not great against Troy, and while he shares some of the blame for how poorly that game went, the defense justifiably gets the lion's share of that criticism.

By the time the Ole Miss game rolled around, Jarrett Lee was a defeated man.  An unproductive quarter-and-a-half for Lee ended with what one is tempted to say was an almost merciful injury.

You see a portrait of a promising season gone bad.  If the season had ended after the Mississippi State game, Lee would have been a hero.  If it had ended after the South Carolina game, in which we used the quarterback rotation to good effect, we would be saying right now that Jarrett Lee had gone through some growing pains, but had a very promising rookie season.  We would be talking right now about how Jarrett Lee was poised to become one of the better QBs in the conference.  We would probably be saying the same if the season had ended after the Georgia game.

Obviously, however, the season did not end there.  The bad Tulane game was next, and then the disaster of the Bama game followed by the sour-tasting Troy game (that really was not entirely Lee's fault, mind you, but tainted everyone associated with it).  Then a terrible game against Ole Miss that ended his season clinched our memories of the 2008 season.

But memories are biased.  We tend to place a narrative to our memories and then conveniently forget the facts that don't fit the pat narrative.  That narrative is usually based on how the story ended, and Lee's story ended with several consecutive bad games and a season-ending injury.

Sometimes the narrative changes over time.  Give some thought to how you remember, say, your high school years.  Do you remember them fondly?  Do you remember the great times?  Or do you remember the bad?  Do you remember the jerks more?  Or do you remember your friends?  We assign labels to times of our lives.  ("That was my awkward phase" or "I was happiest when I was in college").  Once we decide the label, we reassign our memories to fit with the label, or discard them if they can't be made to fit.

Jarrett Lee's 2008 season has been labeled an abject failure, and his positive accomplishments have been forgotten.  If you ask people about the 2008 game against Auburn, most people will seem to remember the terrible interception Lee threw, but will forget the game-winning drive he engineered in the final minutes, or will forget the beautiful arcing touchdown pass he delivered to Chris Mitchell.  They may forget that we WON, and that Jarrett Lee's good plays won it for us.  They will remember the interceptions against Georgia, but not the yards he piled up.  

It is time to rehabilitate the image of Jarrett Lee, and let him get the negative images of 2008 behind him.  There's enough positive there to warrant it, and it's grossly unfair that Jarrett Lee has become the icon of bad QB play in the SEC in 2008.  By all rights, Wesley Carroll of Mississippi State was the icon of bad quarterback play.  If you discount him, just look at the disaster at Auburn, or the entire state of Tennessee.  

FREE JARRETT LEE!!

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Lee and the boos

I’m on record as really liking Lee just because of the abuse he has endured. I have very short patience for the jerks in our fanbase who seem to revel in Lee’s failures and spend game day practicing their boos. Honestly, they can go to hell.

Lee is the most unfairly maligned LSU quarterback since Jamie Howard. To this day, Howard’s name brings up images of interceptions and not the fact he is 5th all-time in LSU history in both passing yards and touchdowns.

I have a soft spot for players who end up on the wrong side of the fanbase’s affections, especially when it isn’t a full picture of the player. Lee was a decent quarterback for a freshman, and the reason his INT’s cost us so much were because no one could tackle. And don’t get me started on Byrd, who spent the second half of the year pouting and throwing his QB under the bus.

Jefferson deserves the start. Re-watching the Arkansas game, he looks like the QB of the future. But I am fully confident if Lee comes into the game. So should you. At the very least, you should shun those who would boo him.

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by Poseur on Aug 18, 2009 7:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Byrd

I keep hearing Byrd mentioned about stuff like this, but I never actually have heard what went on, or what he said. What did he say?

by Ianoka on Aug 18, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

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He posted some things which could be interpreted as anti-Lee on his Facebook. But more importantly, you could see him pouting on the sidelines a lot. I feel very bad about his car accident so I don’t want to say anything bad about him, but he is among my least favorite LSU players ever.

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by Poseur on Aug 18, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh ok

I actually like Byrd a lot, he was clutch, had a knack for coming up with the big play. Honestly I feel really bad about what happened to his senior season. He came in with a chance to have a great season, and him and Perrilloux seemed to have a good connection in the SEC Championship game. But then Perrilloux gets kicked off the team, and Byrd goes in the 7th round, some of that due to his injury and some due to bad quarterback play.

by Ianoka on Aug 18, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard to argue with the 2007 Auburn game..

and his production in general in 2007. Byrd just has a personality typical of wide receivers, for some reason. He’s a good guy when things are going well, but when things aren’t going well he is one of the first to make things worse.

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by Richard Pittman on Aug 18, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen!

I like Lee. I say he’ll be back in a strong supporting role. It’s a new year and I DO remember some of the great passes he threw. I’m sure he’ll play in some capacity.
There are some painful memories but he should NOT be shouldered with so much blame. He wasn’t even going to be the starting QB. RP?

by Totally Spoil on Aug 18, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

The Jamie Howard Auburn game was the WORST coaching job ever.

Who keeps calling pass plays when you up by that margin in the fourth quarter…especially after you’ve already had one returned for a TD? Then, the O-coordinator (whose name is escaping me), instead of trying to pick up his QB after the game, ended up throwing him under the bus. It was terrible coaching. Sure Howard, through the passes, but the O-coordinator called the plays.

As for Lee, I agree whole heartedly with you. Fans need to lay off of him. He had his ups and downs, but if he hadn’t been there to step in for the dismissed RP and injured Hatch, where would our season have gone?

by Displaced Tiger on Aug 18, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

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