Watching the Offensive Line
Starting at 5:15am, I started watching the game again. I didn't watch the defense. I didn't watch the horrid special teams play. OK, that's not entirely true. I watched the goal line stand again, and I watched Chad Jones' punt return. But I really paid attention to our offensive plays, often rewinding them several times to see what was happening on the offensive line, and in particular why Mississippi State defenders kept making plays around or behind the line of scrimmage.
The problem is surprisingly difficult to diagnose. You can't really point to one player or one type of play that gave us problems. I think the problems can, however, be broken down to a couple categories:
1. There's just a pileup at the line of scrimmage. This happened surprisingly often. You can't point to any particular block that wasn't held or any particular player who made (or failed to make) a play. Everyone puts a helmet on someone, but the play blows up simply because the running back runs into a mass of bodies where the line of scrimmage was. I read an suggestion on a message board that LSU's linemen play with too narrow splits, and this contributes to problems finding holes in the middle of the field. After all, to make a hole, there needs to be neither a defensive nor an offensive player there. Unfortunately, I am not knowledgeable enough about offensive line play to evaluate that suggestion, but it works as a hypothesis in that it seems to explain the results we see and is falsifiable (widen the splits and see what happens).
2. Lineman breaks downfield and then the tackle is made in the spot he vacated. This is the one I have a really hard time understanding. I saw Josh Dworaczyk and Lyle Hitt both break downfield to get a block on a safety only to see the runner head right to the spot one or the other of them had left. I know a little bit about zone blocking, and I know that sometimes it is a lineman's duty to not worry so much about the lineman and instead get out to the second level, but it is very difficult for me to believe that this is the case when the runner is supposed to run towards his spot on the line.
In a zone blocking scheme, a lineman does not block a "man". He blocks a "lane", and if there's no one in that lane when you break off the snap, you go to the next level and see if there's a man there. You may chip or help your neighboring lineman for a split second, but your primary job when there is not a man at the line in your zone is to press forward and find a man in your path to block. But to release downfield only to find that someone has filled your gap and made the tackle unblocked right in the spot you started the play? That can't be right. Here, it is hard to say if this is an execution problem or a coaching problem. Was the lineman supposed to stay home and block the guy who ended up in his hole? Or was someone else supposed to get him? Or did we do something that tipped off the play and signaled someone to jump into the lane after the lineman ran past? Whatever it is, this happens way too much, as I've seen it in previous games too.
3. Linebacker or safety comes off the edge unblocked. Here I am talking about a play in which everyone makes a block, but there is a man unaccounted for on the outside who diagnoses the play, and gets into the backfield untouched to make a tackle. This happened on a couple big 3rd down plays, once towards the end of the first half when Jefferson pitched left to Keiland Williams on 3rd and 1, and he had nowhere to go because a linebacker came off of Ciron Black's edge and made the tackle 4 yards in the backfield. It happened on a 3rd down play in the 3rd quarter when Jefferson ran a little bootleg pass to Richard Dickson on 3rd and 2 (after 2nd and 1 lost a yard, btw), and the end or linebacker on the roll side didn't bite and didn't hesitate for even 1/2 second. Instead he went right at the spot where Jefferson was going to end up and got in his face, forcing a bad throw and another punt. Two plays in which the outside defender seemed to know exactly where the play was going and went right to the spot without being touched and made a play. Again, it's hard to diagnose where the problem was. In both cases, there was no attempt to block the man, which means either that he was not supposed to be blocked, or that the lineman in question (Black on the first, Barksdale on the second) mistakenly failed to block him. Or it could mean that Jefferson was supposed to check out of the play because there would be an unblocked man right where the play was going.
4. Lineman simply fails to hold a block. This is the easiest to spot and diagnose. Sometimes, the offensive lineman makes a block, or attempts to make a block, and just can't do it. I saw this happen to T-Bob Hebert, Josh Dworaczyk, and Joseph Barksdale more than one time each. I was also surprised at how often Richard Dickson got beat by a defender. Dickson started out his career at LSU as a blocking tight end, but if yesterday's game was any indication, he may have regressed as a blocker since his freshman season. We saw a good bit of Deangelo Peterson at tight end this game, and he has a ways to go as a blocker too. On one of Russell Shepard's runs, Peterson's spot was attacked by two Bulldog defenders and forced Peterson to make a choice of which to block and which to allow to go free. He hesitated and ended up letting both of them go. No one was immune to it, but Barksdale really seemed to get beat a good bit, and was on one occasion pushed back into Jordan Jefferson, forcing him to rush a throw.
Lyle Hitt gets a lot of criticism on the message boards, but I really did not see him get flat-out beat very much, though on a 3rd and goal option play in the second quarter, it seemed the entire right side of the offense got beat, including Hitt, Dickson, and fullback Charles Scott. Everyone seems to be singling out Hitt as a potential area to make a change, but he may have actually been our best lineman yesterday. I will confess that when I was ruminating on this game last night and early this morning, I was thinking of ways to either replace Hitt or move him to somewhere else, but after watching the game again I have cooled to that plan.
Barksdale was beaten a lot, and both of the new starters were beaten a lot. Josh Dworaczyk gets pushed into the backfield way too often. T-Bob Hebert loses him man at times. Even Ciron Black was not really All-SEC material yesterday.
The problem here is that if you're looking to make a personnel change, it is hard to figure out who to change. No one player seems to be the problem. Maybe Barksdale would benefit from a move to the inside, letting Chris Faulk or Greg Shaw have a chance at right tackle. But do you move Barksdale to right guard or left guard? Right now, I would say move him to left guard and see if that fixes the problems we're having on that side. Maybe Alex Hurst needs a chance to play at a guard spot, as he receives rave reviews from observers (then again, so did Dworaczyk). Could P.J. Lonergan be an improvement at center over T-Bob?
I think right now that a change, any change at all, may be beneficial, in that it could spark greater effort. It could make this a nastier offensive line to face.
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Nice analysis
You’re so right, its really hard to diagnose. I’d like to think our former lineman is looking at what to tweak to make this the best line he’s seen, because we haven’t seen it yet.
I’m still high on the Tigers but man, they don’t get any easier from here!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
You know, last year we thought we had a great offensive line.
And they started out OK, but don’t you think we’re seeing things in our current line that we saw in last year’s (more notable as last season progressed)? I think the talent level of last year’s line is above this year’s, but if the problems are similar, I have to wonder if it’s more in the coaching.
Richard,
Do you rememerb in 2006 when we couldn’t run the ball to save our lives the first half of the year? This was most evident (painfully I may add) in the Auburn game. If I remember correctly we were in the bottom half of the league in rushing yards in the first half of the season and then once our line came together and we faced tougher competition our running game improved and we finished the year in the top half of the league in rushing.
So my questions are as follows:
1) Do you think that we try to do too much with our O-line and therefore it takes them longer to “get it”?
2) Did we make any changes to the starters on the O-line in 2006 after we determined we couldn’t run it? And if so is that what fixed the problem.
I wonder about the simple vs. complex dynamic all the time..
It is probably the biggest overarching strategy decision any coach makes. How complex do you make things? There are competing effects where if you are simple, you can get really good at what you do, but you can also be predictable. If you’re complex, you can be very unpredictable, but you can also not be particularly good at anything.
I think the best solution is to make things as complex as your players can do well, and I tend to lean towards the school of thought that simple and well-rehearsed is the better way. If in doubt, take it out.
In 2006, we did not make any “changes” but Will Arnold got hurt and Herman Johnson replaced him in the lineup. We got a lot better from that point forward, but it’s hard to know if that change of personnel made the difference or not.
Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.
by Richard Pittman on Sep 27, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
A few other comments...
1) I’m just going to admit it, I have a man crush on Patrick Peterson.
2) Chad Jones played really well, for his second straight game. Well, let’s just say he’s made some huge plays, I can’t tell what he’s doing most plays because he isn’t in the field of view of the camera.
3) Why is nobody talking about JJ? He had his first 200 yd game as a Tiger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 233yds to be exact, 2TDs to 0 INTs. Yes he threw a ball or two that could have been picked, but guys Jarrett Lee’s numbers last year could have been much worse if defenders would have hung on to all of his poor throws as well. I am very excited about JJ. He’s having a solid year WITH A HORRIBLE LINE! If this line shapes up, wow, JJ will explode. Can’t wait for the ATVSQBPI this week, hell maybe he’ll even get a look for the ATVSSPPOTW or whatever the acronym is.
4) I know the D was on a field a lot, and they came up huge with the goal line stand, but man, I don’t have much confidence in these guys. Had I been the coach, I’d have let State score to try to get the ball back as quickly as possible to try to drive down and score one last time. It’s the PS3 gamer in me, that’s what you do. I guess that’s why Miles makes the big bucks. Miles plays the percentages to PERFECTION, and he knows exactly what the team can and can’t do when called on.
5) Having said all that, 7, 6, 6, 3, ???. Those are Miles’ regular season SEC win totals in order. That trendline has a negative slope. I don’t care what our overall record is, or our record in bowl games, or our record against out of conference opponents, or that Miles has a win % above 50% when trailing after 3 quarters. Regular season SEC wins is the ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS. We’ve got to turn this crap around, and quick.
Chad Jones
Actually I think Chad Jones had a bad game … the punt return was nice but it was a bad decision to field it. And then he made the mistake of fielding the next one too. Also he badly got sucked in on the goal line stnad but was able to use his athleticism to knock the ball down. He got beat for one of MSUs TDs and then was beat again but there was a poor throw.
He’s a heckuva athlete, but doesn’t have much in the way of football instinct.
I disagree about fielding that first punt
On the one he returned for a TD, the ball was bouncing and would have been downed inside the 10. If he had a clear read on the bounce, which it seems he did, fielding it and moving forward is the right move.
On that second one, yeah, he was seriously blinded by glory.
Something that is overlooked..
Jones not only made the bat-down on 3rd down and made the stop on 4th down (with Ryan Baker, who also deserves credit), but he also made the stop on 2ND DOWN. He was the key defender on three of the 4 plays on the goal line stand.
I too was calling for us to let them score when they got the ball to the goal line. I’m glad they didn’t listen to me.
Jordan Jefferson’s good game is getting lost in the shuffle. We as fans do tend to dwell more on the negative when talking amongst ourselves, and that’s unfortunate. When talking to outsiders, we will accentuate the positive. When talking to insiders, we talk about what needs to be fixed.
And the acronym is ATVSSECOSPPOW. Don’t forget it.
Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.
by Richard Pittman on Sep 27, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
My Bottom Line Is this......
I have said it from week one when we played Washington our line is not a run blocking line in the power set. Think about it Russell Shepard led LSU in rushing with four carries for 26 yards. How did he get those yard? From a spread formation which in turn spreads out the defense. Every time we go from the I-Formation its with two tight ends and two WR’s which in turn draws everyone to the line.
Heck if Dixon can get 27 carries and gain 106 3.9per and 2 TD from the spread i dont see why it cant work with Williams and Scott. Guys you can make of it what you want but it all falls back to the play calling why we can’t get a running game going. They pass protect like nobodies business but when its time to run we go to a whole different formation saying to the other team hey guy we are getting ready to run!
We have a damn good team its the play calling that is hurting us at this point,PERIOD. Our defense is playing lights out.
My point is lets face it spread em out and run read options etc etc. We are a pass first to set up the run type of team this year. I don’t understand why we can’t evaluate our talent and use it to exploit the defense with it. I understand Miles wants to run the ball from the I-formation then OK, lets pass out of it to so the defense can back out the box so it can be effective. We are to predicable with our play calling go back to these last 4 games and you see a rerun of the same plays over and over again with no variation in play calling. This is making our offense easy to defense. I’m no expert but this is what I see IMO.
Please Please Please let Russell Shepard play if its not QB have him on the field he will loosen up the defense with him just being on the field its so frustrating to see him play one play and run off the field. I jumped out of my seat and spilled my drink when he got to run two consecutive plays in a row.lol
"It is What It Is"
I agree, sort of.
I really like the play of Jefferson so I don’t want Shepard in at QB. But we should be running a shot gun spread with 3 wide with Shepard and Scott in as RB and FB. Shep could split out as WR depending on the defense, we could run the zone read with JJ and Shep, Shep could take a hand off, AND we could switch into a wildcat formation on the fly without personnel substitutions. If the LB’s cheat to the outside, we give a direct handoff to Scott up the middle. This should be our base package until the O-line can run block in the power I. Looking at what AU is doing with Gus Malzahn, if he was our OC, we’d be ridiculously good with our skill players.
i know it not a popluar opinion,
but i really do think that what the LSU offense is doing is establishing tendency in order to break it against bigger competition. we have played decent but not great competition. our offense has been stop/start and erratic in the choice of the plays called, but is predictable in what it is going to run in certain formations. LSU has been able to win these games dspite that. when we get to teams that begin to match us in athleticism and talent, that is where i believe we will break tendency (pass from the I-form, run from the spread, etc.)
it was true in the preseason and it is true now, how far our season goes is based on 2 games: Alabama and Florida. if we win those games, we win the SEC West. I have to think that the coaches are aware of this and are planning their play callling around it. Arkansas has a prolific offense, but showed it’s tendency against UGA. as a result Bama’s defense decimated them. (i would use UF as an example right now, but they still havent played anyone of significance). i think miles the gambler is back, gambling this season’s success on our teams talent and athleticism to make the difference early in the season and play calling to make the difference late. and i, personally, love it.
I can agree with that......
and I have thought of it too but practice makes perfect and you want to see the other plays in live competition so i really hope its true but not true if that makes any sense. I would be really on edge if we go into the meat of our schedule running play we haven’t worked on but in practice in between plays we were running in preparing for our first 4 opponents. Thats really being a gambler. we will see come Saturday.
"It is What It Is"
I thlnk the play calling is making the line look worse than it is
Anytime Charles Scott lines up as tailback in the I, the other team knows he is getting the ball. One of our big offensive TDs came on a play action off this formation. The problem with play action off the formation is the linebackers sell out to play run, and usually pressure JJ before he can set up and throw. Scheme is playing a major factor also. Coaches need to find a way to run and not be so obvious about it.
#4
Even though we haven’t played like it, here we are. Looking at the rankings below, I guess we are getting by with being undefeated thus far, having our previous reputation, and just being in the SEC. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take the ranking, but if we slip, we are going a long way down.
We need a mid range passing game
I agree that the problems are hard to diagnose, and that Dickson is getting beat way too often. However, it looks to me like every team we have played realizes that we will not throw the ball midrange in the middle of the field. This frees the linebackers and safeties to overplay the run, and also allows the defensive coordinator to run a lot of run blitzes.
While Jefferson has done a good job of avoiding INTs, he has poor touch on short throws in the flats and in the middle (e.g. the middle screen attempt near the goalline yesterday). I don’t remember one slant pattern or mid-range crossing pattern. It is not clear if the lack of these options comes from the booth, or from the QB.
I don’t think our O-line is a poor as it has appeared so far…I think they have been asked to block more players that they can block way too often.
BTW…when we run off tackle on 1st down 75% of the time, the defenisve coordinator licks his chops.
Bill Walsh always said the best down to pass was first down
Because defenses gear up to stop the run on first. By third down they’re looking for the pass.
Man I hated the 49ers, but there’s no doubt Walsh knew what he was talking about
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions

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