Where Does Les Miles Stand?
by Richard Pittman on Sep 27, 2009 3:56 PM CDT
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Let's get one thing out of the way first. I have never seen a coach criticized as much without losing a game as Les Miles has been criticized this season. Let me quote part of a message that appeared on a prominent LSU website yesterday:
With the press and fans on Miles like they are at this point in the season, there is no way he can come back. There is nothing he can do IMO to win back the needed support.
It is just gotten to an unacceptable level. Media allies have turned and will not go down with him.
It's a harsh and dismal assessment. We see this sort of thing a lot on message boards, but this one is different. This is not coming from a yahoo, but rather from one of the more respected posters around. One who, honestly, I would consider to be an asset to any website he frequents.
This particular poster goes on to specifically criticize Miles for allegedly not always playing the best players, instead opting to reward seniority. In particular, he is critical of the offensive line personnel and the infrequency of Russell Shepard's appearances on the field.
I don't agree with his assessment, especially the "there is no way he can come back" conclusion. There's a very easy way for Miles to re-earn the esteem of LSU fans. Just win. If LSU wins next week against Georgia, ugly or pretty, personnel changes or no personnel changes, blowout or tight win, pure luck or inevitability, the troubles of the previous 4 weeks will be virtually forgotten. At least for one week, and probably until the Auburn game.
Before this season, I would have said that winning cures a lot of ills. And while that hasn't exactly been true this season so far, we always looked at the Georgia game as one of those season markers. It's a game we would have cautiously said before the season was a 50-50 game (at best). After four Saturdays, I see no reason to change that assessment.
This is not to say that Les Miles is above criticism until he loses. Far from it. In fact, there are numerous criticisms that I have. I agree with the above poster who says that it appears Miles favors seniority over talent. 2006's heavy reliance on an apparently completely washed-up Justin Vincent was Exhibit A. Last year's continued reliance on Danny McCray as a nickel back was Exhibit B.
I will also criticize some of Miles' decisions in recruiting. We had Frank Alexander in our back yard and let him go without ever seriously recruiting him. Now he's a highly regarded starting defensive end for Oklahoma, and we're struggling to get consistent production from the position except for Rahim Alem. And it's not like he was a late bloomer. OKLAHOMA wanted him. He refused to seriously recruit Dez Bryant, and let Darrington Sentimore go to Alabama almost without a fight. Bryant's an All-American, and while the jury is still out on Sentimore, LSU is facing a depth crisis at defensive tackle after this season and there appears to be no immediate help coming in the 2010 class. The defensive tackle situation has been exacerbated by recruiting a glut of offensive linemen and moving defensive tackles to the other side of the line to make their numbers even bigger.
The 2006 class is its own subject. Not a single offensive lineman from that class ever played a snap for LSU. The decision (or perhaps simply the eventuality) not to sign a quarterback to hedge our bets with Ryan Perrilloux arguably destroyed the 2008 season (along with the decision to promote from within to the vacated defensive coordinator job). The wide receiver corps from that recruiting class (Chris Mitchell, Jared Mitchell, and Ricky Dixon) is devoid of impact players. The linebackers appear to only now be emerging as good players.
I'm also not pleased that he couldn't reel in a good player like Janzen Jackson. That loss will hurt bad, as Jackson is on his way to being an impact player for Tennessee in the future. I will give him a pass for the McKnight situation, because it appears that McKnight was dead set on leaving the state from the beginning, and was only giving us lip service.
As for the specific suggestion that Miles is leaving one or more of his best 5 offensive linemen on the bench, I have no idea, but the experiences we've had with Justin Vincent and Danny McCray certainly lead us to believe it's possible. As an aside, it appears that now that McCray's role has changed, he's doing quite well, but that doesn't change the fact that he was ill-suited for his previous role.
Les Miles' tenure at LSU has not been above criticism, but again, football is about winning, and except for last year, Miles has done that with an admirable frequency. And so far this year he continues to win games. And everyone seems to forget Les's outstanding coaching job in 2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina and a devastating pre-season injury to our best running back. We also tend to forget that Miles is only two seasons removed from winning a national championship. I don't care whose recruits you're playing with. You can't win the national championship if you can't coach, even if you have superior talent (which is debatable).
In short, I think there's something to the criticism Miles is receiving. It's not all false. It's just a little overwrought under the circumstances. Miles has made mistakes, and the problems this team is facing this year won't go away on their own, but they also haven't cost us anything yet. Nothing is irretrievable yet, but things must be retrieved.
I'm a pragmatist at heart, and when something doesn't work I think the best thing to do is to try something, and if that doesn't work try something else. Whatever you do, don't let a problem sit around festering without trying to do something about it. It's better to try something and be wrong than to try nothing. Heck at least you tried.
So let's see what happens in the next 7 days before we start really speculating about Miles' future.
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A tad strong
“There is no way he can come back” uttered when LSU is sitting at 4-0 and ranked No. 4? Ballsy statement.
I’m no Les Miles fan, and I think over time he’s going to sink the program back to some level between the Dinardo and Saban years. And I suppose that sort of statement is a reflection of what tends to go unspoken but I think many people who really follow this program believe – that Les Miles is sort of a dumb guy.
Everybody holds up the 2007 national championship as evidence of his greatness, but let’s face it, he Forrest Gumped his way into the title game and we were lucky to have Ohio State as the opponent.
Thinking back over his tenure at LSU, how many great moves, decisions, etc. can you come up with for Miles compared to head-scratching idiotic moves? The height of credit due Miles is probably the 2007 Florida game, which was won with great strategy (and I’m not sure if it was his strategy, but the head coach has to get credit). Then we have a bunch of things like the absolutely brain-dead timeouts called at the end of the first half against Washington, which gave them three points. Then, of course, there was his decision to not have a defensive coordinator last year. Purely laid on him, and just amazingly stupid.
But thanks to ESPN, he didn’t leave for Michigan. We’re likely stuck with him until things get really bad. Georgia will be somewhat of a test, but mostly because LSU looks so weak right now. How we fare against Florida and Alabama will be real measuring sticks this season.
Would 8-4 this year be enough to get him gone? I don’t know. LSU would look pretty reactionary and maybe stupid to kick out the title-winning coach who never had a losing season. But we’ll see. If enough fans are like me and enter each game worried about the hat on the sideline, it could happen.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with a lot of what you wrote
But this is just dead wrong:
Then, of course, there was his decision to not have a defensive coordinator last year. Purely laid on him, and just amazingly stupid.
Look, the co-DC situation failed miserably and I have been one of the people leading the charge about how horrible of a situation it was. But it was not “amazingly stupid.”
Miles promoted from within. We tend to think as every coach dying to come to LSU and TAF being made of money, but that’s simply not true. He believed his assistants were ready to move up the coaching ranks. He was wrong. But amazingly stupid? No, he just fell victim to the Peter Principle.
However, he did what good managers do, he corrected his decision as soon as possible. He even did it without ruining the careers of two loyal assistants. While he chose the wrong people to put in charge, the way Miles handled the DC mess this last offseason was exactly how I would want my coach, or any manager, to act. He handled a messy situation about as well as anyone could. Amazingly stupid would be what Dinardo did with Tepper, absolutely refusing to admit he made a mistake in hiring him and sticking by the guy as he sank the defense.
The mistake is not in the original decision, it is in refusing to admit you were wrong. Miles admitted he was wrong by going out and fixing the problem. There are plenty of “anti-Miles” data points one could use. This is not one of them. In fact, I believe it actually reflects well on Miles.
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by Poseur on Sep 27, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Problem I have with his co-coordinator move last year wasn’t promoting from within, it was not fully promoting anybody. That was the amazingly stupid thing.
Personally, I think he should have looked outside the program, and given the career trajectories of Muschamp and Pelini (and Saban, you could say) you have to imagine every great young defensive mind in the country would have jumped at a shot to become LSU’s DC. But had he picked a guy from within to become DC and it didn’t work out, that’s one thing. To eliminate the position is inexcusable.
To say we do not need a full-time defensive coordinator (neither Muschamp nor Pelini had position responsibilities) AND you could somehow split the DC duties among two guys AND still have effective coaching of linebackers and defensive backs (unless you think those positions performed well last year) is a huge lapse in judgment.
I agree that he proved himself to be the most compassionate human resources manager in Louisiana by easing his guys into other jobs. Whether that was best for the program, I don’t know. If recycling John Chavis rather than finding the next Will Muschamp was the right move remains to be seen, but the upside of having such a bad defense last season was it forced Miles to actually hire a DC.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about Mallveto
It’s about the next guy you hire. If a coach always throws his assistants on the bus, how do you attract quality assistants? Miles move helped the future of the program because it made him an attractive boss. To minimize this as “amazingly stupid” is compeltely wrong. To fail to see the value in Miles the CEO is also wrong.
Recycling Chavis? Are we just criticizing to criticize? I don’t want the hotshot youg co-ordinator who will bolt the program at the first chance (nothing against Pellini, but you don’t hold onto those hotshot coaches — and what if you miss if you keep having to hire them?) Chavis was one of the very top DC’s on the market, and LSU got him. I find it stunning to criticize that hire just because it doesn’t meet your own personal biases.
I think with so many legit criticisms of Miles, this is just way off base.
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by Poseur on Sep 27, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so I understand ...
Miles is a brilliant “CEO” because he made a huge mistake in not having a defensive coordinator last year but then he fired the two guys in a respectful manner? You fault him not at all for the fact that he made the decision to not have a defensive coordinator in the first place? Maybe you don’t think it was “amazingly stupid” to not have a defensive coordinator, but are you saying you agree with his decision?
And I don’t mean to criticize Chavis. It was the safe move, and may well turn out to be a great one. It’s just that I really respected Saban’s ability to identify Muschamp as a young guy with a lot of promise and would love to see another guy like him someday. And it’s a double-edged sword to say you don’t want coaches that will be attractive as head coaches elsewhere.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You misunderstand
I am saying that people make bad hires. It happens. But to call it “amazingly stupid” is just dead wrong. Every single coach in football has made at least one bad hire. Probably a lot more. The problem is NOT making a bad hire, it’s refusing to rectify a bad hire. Miles moves swiftly and capably to correct the mistake.
It’s not that good managers, CEOs, or coaches never make mistakes. They make a lot of them. the mark of a good manager is recognizing the mistake and correcting it. And that’s what Miles did.
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve become less and less impressed with the “hot” new thing. Hot co-ordinators cool. And if you keep hiring the hot guy using your program as a stepping stone, it means you are going to be making a lot of hires, opening yourself up to more mistakes. And considering how bad the defense was last year, we needed the steady hand of a respected vet. It’s not like Chavis has been out of football for three years.
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by Poseur on Sep 27, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the hire ...
It’s not that he made a “bad hire”, it’s that he made a bad decision (perhaps, one might say, an amazingly stupid decision) to not have a defensive coordinator last year. Any two guys that would have been put in that non-role would have been a mistake.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Reading the tea leaves, the Mallveto decision came down to a very simple thing — Miles had a short list of names in mind (DeWayne Walker I know for sure was one, there’s some speculation about John Tenuta being the other, but nobody can say for sure) — when those fell through, Miles felt it would be better to just give Mallveto a shot and see if the continuity would work, rather than just make change for change’s sake — especially when you woudln’t be getting a coordinator you really wanted.
Of course, the biggest flaw in that logic was the assumption that the current defensive system was working period. Bo Pelini’s defense was beyond stale and frankly I think there still would have been a lot of problems — though maybe not to the same degree —if Pelini hadn’t left.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 27, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would 8-4 this year be enough to get him gone? I don’t know. LSU would look pretty reactionary and maybe stupid to kick out the title-winning coach who never had a losing season.
That depends on your definition of a losing season. The first goal every year is to win the West. That is the first goal for the team, the fans and the University. The only thing that matters in achieving that goal is your regular season SEC record. Miles’ are as follows:
7-1
6-2
6-2
3-5
As far as I’m concerned last year was a losing season. Vandy won more SEC games than us last year. That is ridiculous. LSU shouldn’t really have worse than a 5-3 record ever, but sure there can be down years where a 4-4 may slip in. But 3-5 is bad.
An 8-4 record this year, would be an improvment in his SEC record from last year (assuming we beat La Tech and Tulane). So how can you fire a guy who has improved the team over the year before? I really don’t think Les is in trouble this year unless we lose 5 or 6 SEC games. And I don’t think he should be in trouble unless he loses out.
The man gave us a National Championship! He’s earned some patience, like it or not. But while it is way to early to be thinking about firing Miles this year, it probably isn’t too early to start thinking about what this team needs to accomplish over the next 2 or 3 years for us to know if Miles is suited to brining this program back to Championship calibur. Because right now, despite what the pollsters think, it doesn’t appear we are there.
by LSU Jonno on Sep 27, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
No, I agree with you completely. I was saying the “he’s gone no matter what” notion was way out there and wondering if what seems like a likely finish (8-4) would spell his doom. As I said, it would seem really reactionary and look like LSU is stupid.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSU fans have expectations that are irrational at best
and insane at worst.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why?
fans expect to be in the SEC title game every year, and we’ve had the talent to do that every year that Miles has been here.
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“Forrest Gumped our way into a title game in 2007?”
That may be, but are we really going to find a way to complain about winning a national title? Perhaps you are the LSU fan the poster above was referring to. We got into that title game because the system in place said we were the second best team in the nation. In large part to a huge win against Florida which you yourself said was the highlight of Miles’ tenure. We won games win we had to.
And the thing everyone forgets is Ryan Perrilloux. If he is on the team last year, we would have been playing for a second straight national title, possibly a third this year, and everyone would be singing a completely different tune right now. We were a quarterback away from being one of the most dominant offenses in the country last year, and Perrilloux was without a doubt that man. And to Miles’ credit, he gave him every chance possible to remain on the team.
by jochexum on Sep 27, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Perrilloux would have made the difference between 7-5 and playing for the national championship..
the defense was just too bad to allow it. I think it probably would have made the difference in about 2 games, though. That’s pretty significant.
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by Richard Pittman on Sep 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to know exactly how much he would've helped
but I think it would’ve been more than 2 games. I think our offense would’ve been able to outscore almost anybody last year with Perrilloux at quarterback. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say we would have beaten Georgia and Ole Miss, and obviously the quarterback situation probably cost us the Alabama and Arkansas games. That right there is the difference between 7-5 and 11-1, with a trip to the Atlanta with a chance to go to the NC on the line. I also don’t think that you can concede the Florida game either, because not only would Perrilloux have increased our points, but he most likely would’ve made life easier on our defense and decreased opponents’ points for a couple of reasons: time of possession, confidence, and playing with the lead.
Now each of those games is taken individually, and we can’t take into account things such as Perrilloux getting hurt, or the game to game grind, or overlooking an opponent, but we would have had better than a fighting chance in every single game last year.
by Ianoka on Sep 27, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe
he would have wrecked recruiting. or he would have been arrested. or he would have been a cancer on the team and we would have gon 5-7. RP getting dropped was the best thing les miles did for LSU.
by in the 9th on Sep 27, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
I didn’t complain about winning a national championship. I said the fact that he won it isn’t necessarily a sign of greatness. It’s certainly a good thing, but the attitude that negative opinions about things you observe about him are invalid because he won a national title is ridiculous.
And while it’s a real stretch to say the guy who is 4-0 right now has no shot at being back next year, I also reject this notion that as long as the team is winning there’s no due criticism. What I want out of LSU is the best performance and results that can be had given the personnel, etc. I don’t demand national championships or SEC titles. But if the team is under-performing it’s worth asking why.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How spoiled are we?
Les has given us a National title banner, won every bowl game and every non-conference game. We’ve had winning seasons every season he’s been here. We’re 4-0 and ranked 4th in the country.
Sure, last season was disappointing and this season we haven’t managed to dominate the way some have wanted. But look around. Ole Miss & Georgia have lost. Florida just got Tebow out the hospital. Auburn still has Gene Chizik on payroll.
Although we haven’t looked great, our team looks a lot better than last year. We don’t see the goal line stand we saw on Saturday with last year’s defense. This year’s realistic goal was not the national title; even the SEC West was a stretch. We wanted to see improvement and a New Year’s bowl. Anything else was lagniappe.
Les showed us incredible devotion in not ditching us for Michigan and although he’s made a lot of mistakes he’s done a pretty good job. Let’s let him keep his job for now.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Sep 27, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?!?
I have sat idly by long enough! I am sick and tired of "so-called" LSU fans bashing Les and the national media not giving the man the credit he is due.
Sure we went 8-5 (3-5 in the SEC) last year, but how did Les rectify that situation? By destroying Georgia Tech in the bowl game, supplying us with the #1 recruiting class in the country and replacing the Co-Defensive Coordinators with Chief. Two of the top players in the nation, Russell Shepard and Craig Loston, were pulled out of Texas. Nobody does that…not Urban Myer…not Pete Carrol…not even Bob Stoops, but who managed this feat? Our coach LES MILES!!! Truth be told with the talent we had on paper last year I thought I could be the Defensive Coordinator of that squad. So why not give two well deserving guys the chance. If it would have worked Les would have been hailed as a genius.
So many wish to degrade Coach Miles, but ask yourself who would you replace him with?
Pete Carroll? He has won only one NC while having at least twice the amount of perennial NFL talent than anyone he faces.
Urban Meyer? Let’s wait and see how well he does minus Tebow. And why was Tebow in the game late in the third quarter against Kentucky with a score of 31-7? Smart move Urban!
Little Nicky Satan? Been there…done that! His team last year completely fell apart in their most important games.
Mark Richt? Gimme a break!
Bob "Big Game" Stoops? If we lost to Boise State Les would be hung in effigy in front of Tiger Stadium and sued by the state and TAF for any compensation he had received that year.
At the end of the day nobody is perfect. Coach Miles is an undisputed National Champion and not many out there can claim that.
RESPECT THE HAT!!!
by TruTiger Since '01 on Sep 27, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with everything
I think it is pushing it a little bit to criticize Miles for not getting EVERY single recruit out of Louisiana. Nobody is going to correctly evaluate every single recruit, but Miles does a pretty dang good job. We have been better at recruiting with Miles than just about anyone in the country. I think the fact that every single one of the recruits this year made it to campus speaks volumes about the kind of character kids Miles goes after.
As for Mcknight, again, we can’t get everyone from Louisiana. I don’t mind not getting a good player from Louisiana once every 3 years if we can pull Perrilloux, Shepard, Loston, etc. from Texas, Peterson from Florida, and others. I honestly would rather have Perrilloux than Mcknight, even knowing what we know now. Perrilloux gave us the win over Tennessee, and was a key part of our National Championship year. Mcknight has done almost nothing at USC. For all the talk of how they have 10 five star running back recruits or whatever it is, none of them look that impressive. Mcknight had a big game in the Rose Bowl a couple of years back, but he is nowhere near the Reggie Bush player people said he was going to be. He has trouble hanging on to the football, is injury prone, and extremely inconsistent.
Also, I am getting so sick of how critical LSU fans are being. There is now way this article should even have been written, we are 4-0, and are ranked #4 in the country. FOURTH. That’s unbelievable that someone with the 4th ranked team in the country can be considered to be on the hot seat. Let’s not turn into Auburn fans, who fired Tuberville after one bad year, one bad hire, really. There’s no guarantee that the next coach will be better than Miles.
by Ianoka on Sep 27, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good thing we're not Georgia...
Can you imagine how we would have treated Richt? A good man, good coach? We would have run him out on a rail by now…and hired who?
by TigerTex on Sep 27, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
If you don’t want Pete Carrol as your head coach you obviously do not know what constitutes a good head coach. Also, get over your self LSU fan he has two not one move on in life. I’m not even a USC fan and deep down you know that USC was the better team that year and if they played each other USC would win no matter where they played.
To have Les Miles over Pete Carrol as a head coach is just asinine and stupid. What people don’t understand its not as easy as you think to recruit to USC. First of all they have the worst facilities of a major National Champion contender. They are a private school after all and so they don’t get as much funding as the state schools and since California is bankrupt they get even less. Second, USC has extremely high academic standards so it isn’t as easy to get the players in and eligible as a place like OU, LSU, Ohio State. Third, their campus is located in the heart of the world’s most dangerous and notorious ghetto so its difficult to sometimes convince kids who grew up in impoverished dangerous neighborhoods their whole lives to come and live for four years right across from something they have been trying to get away their whole lives.
When you talk about how he stockpiles talent and a moron can win their think again. I do believe he has underachieved in terms of national championships but any fan would take a coach who practically will guarantee you a 10-2/11-1 season with a BCS bowl win any day of the week and if you don’t then you can never be pleased.
Les Miles is a good coach, but I would rate him behind Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Mark Richt, and eventually Lane Kiffin. A great coach does not go 8-5 at a place like LSU coming off a national championship season. Say what you will about Mark Richt, but it looks like he will grind out 10 wins this season again something Les won’t.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Sep 28, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lane Kiffin....really
what has this guy done to deserve any respect as a coach?
why are you so concerned w/ sticking up w/ Pete Carrol in the first place? Did I miss where he was mentioned above?
by Zandor435 on Sep 28, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
The only thing I agree with you with in your entire post is your heading “Wow”. Your post is so heavily flawed I don’t know where to begin. First, nobody wanted a piece of our 2003 NC team…nobody! As far as Pete having two titles…if you believe an AP tiltle holds any value then you…never mind…LoL.
Then you manage to top that by saying this:
“To have Les Miles over Pete Carrol as a head coach is just asinine and stupid. What people don’t understand its not as easy as you think to recruit to USC. First of all they have the worst facilities of a major National Champion contender. They are a private school after all and so they don’t get as much funding as the state schools and since California is bankrupt they get even less. Second, USC has extremely high academic standards so it isn’t as easy to get the players in and eligible as a place like OU, LSU, Ohio State. Third, their campus is located in the heart of the world’s most dangerous and notorious ghetto so its difficult to sometimes convince kids who grew up in impoverished dangerous neighborhoods their whole lives to come and live for four years right across from something they have been trying to get away their whole lives.”
You are absolutely correct…sorta. I can see how it is so hard for USC. Because they are a private school they don’t get as much money as public schools they get MORE!!! California being bankrupt doesn’t directly effect them. USC doesn’t recruit players they select them as stated by so many well respected “recruiting gurus” from Scout and Rivals. High academic standards at USC for football players?!? Gimma a break! By the time I got to the section regarding the campus location in relation to USC’s recruiting difficulties I couldn’t breath I was laughing so hard. You are funny!!!
True or False? Does USC have more NFL caliber talent, year in and year out, than any other team in the Nation?
“A great coach does not go 8-5 at a place like LSU coming off a national championship season.” Yet, you imply Urban is a great coach. When the fact of the matter is his 07’ team went 9-4 with the 07 Heisman trophy winner as their quarterback. Did I mention they were coming off their NC season and lost their bowl game that year as well?
In the end my point was not to pick one coach over another but to display that every high profile coach has flaws and challenges that are difficult to overcome. I think we can agree they all are successful at what they do.
by TruTiger Since '01 on Sep 29, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable...
that’s what this whole discussion is. Can you really believe that we’re 4-0 and even TALKING this way? I’m not saying there aren’t real problems, but doesn’t trashing Miles at this point show how ridiculous we’ve become? It’s official: We’re the new Alabama, except worse. Saban is our Bear Bryant WITHOUT THE MULTIPLE CHAMPIONSHIPS.
The truth is, we’re just not good enough at QB YET, and they’re trying to figure out how to make this offense work. We’re probably just not good enough to beat AL in Tusc, and no one may beat FLA, period. That’s reality! We can’t be the best team EVERY YEAR. If we’re winning 9 games in the SEC every year, then that should be seen as amazing. (Please remember Saban’s record…please.)And last year, as bad as it was, we could have been very easily.
Let’s wait and see for crying out loud before we start talking about Miles! I could see this conversation after 2 bad years.
Unbelievable.
by TigerTex on Sep 27, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So ...
You say there are real problems, but we can’t talk about them?
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to miss the point
There are problems with this team, which you can see we’ve pointed out on this very site in other article, even this one you’re commenting on. But to jump straight to “fire the coach” is pretty unbelievable.
There are plenty of solutions available long before we get to firing Miles. What was the expectation going into this year? How is he failing to meet them?
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by Poseur on Sep 27, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
That comment came out much harsher than I intended. My apologies.
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by Poseur on Sep 27, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha your point is right on though
It seems like if we don’t look like the team of the century every play of every week, then Les Miles is a terrible coach. If we win the West, everyone better shut up.
by Ianoka on Sep 27, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes ...
Point is “right on” when it counters an argument that was not made.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a point
His point was that you missed the point that TigerTex made. TigerTex never said we can’t talk about the problems, he simply said that the fact that we are even discussing Miles’ job security is ridiculous. You responded to that by saying that he said we can’t talk about the problems. He didn’t say that, he just said that just because we don’t look perfect doesn’t mean we should be questioning Miles’ job security. And I know you didn’t question it, it’s more the general fanbase.
by Ianoka on Sep 27, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
TigerTex said “trashing” Miles shows how ridiculous we are. Not whether he should be fired (which is ridiculous right not), but “trashing” him.
So I merely asked in a rhetorical way why it is that we could recognize “real problems” but not talk about them … assuming one might think a real problem is Miles’ job at head coach.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point
is that I don’t see how we can trash the man when we’re 4-0 and he has a history of winning. I’m with you on the problems; but leaping forward to his demise as a coach here is a bit irrational. Let’s play Georgia at least, and see what happens.
by TigerTex on Sep 28, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitions
If by “trashing” you mean calling for his head, I agree with you. But I take “trashing” to mean criticizing, and I don’t have a problem (obviously) with questioning and criticizing a coach just because he’s 4-0 right now, won a national title in 2007, etc.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 28, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where?
Where did I say fire the coach? I said up front it’s pretty ballsy to say he won’t be back next year when we’re sitting at 4-0 and speculated that even the relatively disappointing season I see us having isn’t likely to push him out. And I said over time I think he’ll drag the program back down to pre-2000 levels, at which point you’d figure he would be fired. But I didn’t say fire him.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point...
… is not that YOU are saying “fire coach” but that ANYONE is saying fire the coach.
There are problems, but the comment was about how unbelievable we’re even having this discussion at all.
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by Poseur on Sep 27, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Are We?
I have now read all the above comments and have only a few short comments to make concerning Les Miles. 1. There are many many programs in the college football world who would be more than happy to trade places with the LSU Tigers, team, coach and fans. 2. I heard today, in conversation, that Les Miles did not show appropriate emotion on the sidelines, that “he was trying to play Big 10 ball in the SEC”. An old baseball coach from my past said you “coach in practice and manage during the games, Don’t get those two confused.” I respect Coach Miles as an individual, as a coach and as a CEO for the finest football program in the country.
by lawildbull on Sep 27, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a good one
“Appropriate emotion?” God, I hope that doesn’t become the standard. Curley Hallman blew up a lot on the sidelines …
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 27, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say it again and again.........
Its really not Miles as a CEO or as a recruiter(I will agree we blew a few as stated above but if we look at every recruiting board of every program I’m more then sure they have too),anyway I just question the play calling and the talent evaluation of who’s on your team and how to use them.
I agree that he tends to lean more towards senior players then the youngsters and he had said he likes to play them over the younger players. I think thats a blessing and a curse it shows loyalty to the older guys but in the long run hurt the younger recruits and kids we are recruiting to come play for LSU.
I am a big Miles supporter as well as any LSU coach until they are shown the door. But, I will question the decisions that I see. He is a great manager of his staff and his history at LSU has shown this to be true. That not the issue here it the on the field Mile that seem to be under extreme scrutiny year after year. At some point in time we have to let it play out and I think after last year and the completion of this season we can surly pass judgment, as the saying goes its not how you fall but how fast you get back up. This is the year we see how fast Miles picks the program back up as far as the recruiting and staff management I think he has proven his worth.
I think we should that the 4-0 record and live with it and wait to pass judgment on him as a ball coach.
The obvious is the run blocking and the play calling and the lack of depth at certain positions. Lets see if the next 5 weeks show improvement or Miles faces his demise.
"It is What It Is"
by GeauxDee on Sep 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This topic isn't worthy of discussion
It’s one thing to critique where this team is right now and debate what can be done to make them better. It’s another thing entirely to debate whether or not Les Miles’ should be fired.
Any LSU fan that’s even on the fence on this topic makes me sick.
I’m frustrated at where the team is at the moment but I’m 100% behind Les Miles.
by no brainer on Sep 27, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree..
except that the “Is Les headed for a fall?” discussion is all over the message boards. I didn’t believe I could ignore it. And let’s be clear about one thing. THIS IS LES MILES’ TEAM. It’s the team he built. It’s the team he’s coached from the beginning. If there are structural problems on this team, it is because Les put them there. If there are strengths on this team, it is because Les built them. The discussion of how Miles put together his team and whether that’s a good thing is a perfectly valid discussion.
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by Richard Pittman on Sep 28, 2009 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posting this story is fine
As twisted as it might be, if a lot of LSU fans are discussing it, it needs to be put out there. I definitely agree with your last sentence — nobody should be drinking any Les Miles kool-aid. He has and will continue to make mistakes that should be called out.
by no brainer on Sep 28, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discussion = good
You’ve got nothing to apologize for in writing about this, Richard. It’s pretty newsworthy that this sentiment would be out there given where the program is at the moment. And you certainly didn’t get in line with the notion – you questioned it and tried to figure out why some would think that way.
Some are bothered by LSU fans who dare criticize the program or Miles. I’m bothered by LSU fans who reject the idea of critical thinking about the program or Miles.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 28, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our 4-0 start is clearly Les's fault.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
by Jrlz on Sep 27, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This was the most
intelligent post on this board.
Our 4-0 start is clearly Les’s fault. -Jrzl
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Sep 28, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only have one thing to say...
The once GREAT LSU fan base is now officially the most obnoxious and delusional on the planet. We don’t deserve MR. Les Miles, nor do we deserve to have an elite football program.
What we deserve is the early 90’s, what we deserve is Curley Hullman.
For there to be ANY discussion of this man’s future is beyond absurd – MR. Les Miles needs to win just two more games to have MORE wins than NS did in his same five year tenure and MR. Les Miles has the highest winning percentage in our LOOOOOOOOOONG Freaking History (.803), he is UNDEFEATED in post season and out of conference, he has averaged over 10 wins (NS only did that once), he has two no. 1 recruiting classes, 2 West Championships, 1 SEC Championship and one National Championship and you bozos (you know who you are) want to have him fired because he is ‘just’ winning??
Our new battle cry should be “Geaux to hell, us!”
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Sep 28, 2009 7:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone compare Les Miles' record to Nick Saban's record using win total?
In 2006 the NCAA formally added a 12th game to the football season. Many teams, including LSU, used the extra game to pad their win totals. We did this by signing a contract to play Tulane every year. Since 2000, we had played 12 regular season games in two seasons: 2002 & 2003. That means Nick saban had the benefit of padding his win total twice, where as Les had the benefit of padding his 4 times (counting this year), and will continue to pad his win total over past coaches.
The only way to compare the two coaches is by SEC win% because winning the conference is the first goal of this team every year.
After 2 SEC games in their 5th years:
Miles: 25-11 or 69.4% (7-2, 6-2, 7-2, 3-5, 2-0)
Saban: 25-11 or 69.4% (5-3, 6-3, 5-3, 8-1, 1-1)
by LSU Jonno on Sep 28, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point.
But I’d expand it to “BCS opponent winning %.” Saban should get credit for beating Oregon State, and Miles should get credit for Washington. 62-0 decimations of the Greenies don’t count.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 28, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Les Miles has won 50+ games the last 5 years
There are only a couple of other coaches in football that can say that.
His recruiting has been excellent. The losses and defections on OL are the only real problems with recruiting right now. There is no way we are returning to pre-2000 levels. That is just nonsense. The only way LSU could return to pre-2000 levels is if the fans run Les out of town. We have a good young core of offensive and defensive players right now. I do not think anyone has a young explosive player like Russell Sheppard in the entire SEC.
I wish a majority of the LSU fan base could be fired or go become Alabama fans. They are a complete disgrace. Alot of the criticism of Les is generated from other fan bases because they are tired of seeing him consistently beat their schools. Wake up LSU fans.
by NOPE on Sep 28, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
please don't
then we’ll have to have them all spayed and neutered. and it’s such a hassle.
by kleph on Sep 28, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanted to say again....
We won. Sorry for the repeat.
by Totally Spoil on Sep 28, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's sh*t like this that makes it less fun to be an LSU fan
If I want constant bitching and negativity I can live IRL. Supposedly heroin junkies, after a point, stop feeling any pleasure from the drug and need it just to get back to normal. Is that what we’ve become?
You know, back in 2000 we won 8 games and beat the Wreck in the Peach Bowl. In 2008, we won 8 games and beat the Wreck in the Peach Bowl. The difference is, in 2000 we were excited as hell and enjoyed every second of it. In 2008 we spent all year criticizing everything.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen
We’ve become the Alabama fanbase.
And that’s not to say that I don’t see weaknesses in this team. If O-line play doesn’t improve in a hurry, we could lose all the rest of our SEC games. But the only team in the SEC that looks unbeatable if we just get average line play is Alabama. Georgia seems to only have AJ Green on offense, Florida has no real outside threats at WR, Auburn and Arkansas don’t seem to have defenses, and we still don’t know much about Ole Miss.
Everybody’s flawed this season, including us. But we’re 4-0, 2-0 in conference and have a good chance at Georgia if we can improve the OL and if we can get a similar effort from the defense as in the past 3 weeks.
by The Bengal on Sep 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if we lose to Georgia I'll be upset
But I’m not going to be upset now, before we even play, because we * might * lose to Georgia.
I remember very clearly, in the early days of the rant (2003), some link to a UT-A discussion board where an unhinged Longhorns fan predicted the schedule out like four years and started cursing because, in his estimation, in 2006 the ’horns would go 8-4 and therefore Mack Brown HAD TO BE FIRED.
A wiser, and probably older, UT fan said “if you are getting ulcers about the fact that, in three years, we might lose four games, I don’t think you’re going to get a lot of enjoyment out of college football.”
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 28, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My amen's aren't falling wher I want them too
If you are complaining about Les miles or any facet of being 4-0 then I only say Amen for you to shut up!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Sep 28, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The calm before the storm.
I think that most of this negativity is in preparation of what is to come (schedule) not what has gone in the past ( 4 – 0). Lame attempts to ease the perceived pain to come. Not that some of the points haven’t been well thought out and valid. Just sayin…
by Tiger6367 on Sep 28, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From an outside perspective
and in no way a flame, but LSU fans shouldn’t expect a retread into the Dinardo years. You guys have come a long way in rebuilding your program, and, I’m sorry, but two national championships in the past 6 years is reason enough, not to mention other accomplishments by the program. You guys are a national powerhouse, and should do everything you can to stay that way.
I had a discussion this morning with a non-Alabama fan (UT/VT) and we kinda feel the same. Les Miles isn’t a bad coach, but he isn’t particularly great either. During the NC run, he had a couple things working for him. First, he wasn’t afraid to go for broke (i.e. 4th downs in UF game); he was/is ballsy, and that is just his personality. Does that hide some of his discrepancies as a coach? Possibly. Second, he just had dumb luck that year. First two loss team to win it all, fumble luck, others lost at the right times, etc. LSU was a great team that year talent wise, but should have never lost to Arkansas (even with McFadden). I chalk that up to less than stellar coaching in those games.
I am not going to get into the “he won with Saban’s players” debate because it really is a moot point. LSU has had a couple of excellent recruiting classes as of late. However, last year ya’ll looked a bit less talented based on previous years, when you shouldn’t be. I am curious a). if you think that is true, and if so b). what is the reason? Is Miles not coaching them up during the off season? Is it that he has missed out on some big time recruits as mentioned above (maybe his eye for talent isn’t the best)? I dunno. But whether he coached with Saban’s players or not, he has had several very good years so you can’t take that away from him.
I am proud of the fact that the SEC West is shaping up to be one of the toughest divisions in NCAAFB. I think we should all be proud to play our rivals – LSU, UA, Arky, Auburn, Ole Miss – as part of our regular season, when many/most teams would love to play any of them in a bowl game. I want you guys to stay near the top, as it helps the rest of us. Miles may certainly continue winning, and even if it is close its still winning. I wish you guys the best moving forward and can’t wait to party with you cajuns down in Ttown this year. RTR!
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by BamaReturns07 on Sep 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rational Bama Fan Alert!
Good points, and I agree with pretty much all of it.
I think Richard does a great job of head-scratching when it comes to what LSU’s problems have been of late. But even with his tons of analysis, I don’t think there’s a clear answer. I think it probably lies somewhere on the coaching side moreso than the talent side, but it’s really hard to pin down.
But I’m absolutely with you on a strong SEC West. I’d much rather win the division once every four years because the competition is so strong than win it every year because it’s so weak.
by Cap'n Ken on Sep 28, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that has a lot to do with it
I am not sold on Chavis for you guys; I think rehashing anyone from Fulmer’s staff was a bad idea. I think you have a ton of talent, but Les Miles’s assistants versus Saban’s when he was there may be causing some issues. Didn’t Miles have pretty solid assistants the first couple of years? I can’t remember.
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by BamaReturns07 on Sep 28, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
appreciate the thoughts
good to hear an outside perspective
by Zandor435 on Sep 28, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did "Gump" his way
Look you guys may have been national champs, but deep down you even feel like that team underachieved. The fact that their two losses came to a mediocre Arkansas and Kentucky squads kind of takes the luster of it.
Whats great about winning a national championship in college football as opposed to winning a Super Bowl in the NFL is you have to be dominant from week to week and consistent as opposed to the NFL where you can take half of the season off and still win it all. When you think of a national champion in college football you think of a team that usually goes undefeated or finished with one loss to a pretty good team. I could see almost every team in the top 10 maybe even top 15 beating that team. It just was not that good of a team. They had an average maybe above average QB, but didn’t really wow. They relied on a fullback to be their tail back and had a really really good defense, but one that was horribly undisciplined and down right dirty at times.
I felt that team was good enough to go undefeated and the SEC that year was really weak. When Tennessee came out of the East you know the conference was down.
In fact, you could make the argument that the 2006 team was better. I think they, actually, were a better team and they imploded and collapsed against Florida and Auburn. I still have not seen a team implode like LSU against Florida. Then the Auburn game where poor play call and game management along with shoddy officiating did you guys in, but you still should have won that game. Russell at the collegiate level was twice the QB that Flynn was and they had Dwayne Bowe and LaRon Landry on the team as well. I thought they lost both games due to poor coaching and sloppy play which is a direct result of the coach. When you let sloppy play slide against really bad teams and don’t try to correct it, you will get punished against the good teams. That is what I feel is LSU’s problem. They are not focused and disciplined enough and with the talent LSU has they are able to get away with against most opponents but when the talent is level they get punished.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Sep 28, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What?????
So much for rational Alabama fans. LSU fans were disappointed with the 2007 national championship? The SEC was weak with in 2007 defending national champion Florida? That disapointing 2007 LSU team beat more top 10 teams during the 2007 season than Alabama has all decade and is the reason it deserved to play in the national title game. Any attempts to belittle the accomplishments of Les Miles and that team are completely ridiculous and any poster that does not respect them are equally bogus.
Both of those average QB and FB turned RB are making a pretty nice living in the NFL dipshit. In fact, the number of players on that mediocre 2007 LSU team now thriving in the NFL is rather astonishing.
As of last week, LSU was ranked third in the SEC in penalties against. The undisciplined argument is hilarious coming from Alabama fans, whose players get shot, arrested, and commit a litany of other crimes.
PENALTIES G No. Yards Avg/G
1. Vanderbilt 3 13 91 30.3
2. Tennessee 3 11 95 31.7
3. LSU 3 13 113 37.7
4. Ole Miss 2 8 81 40.5
5. Florida 3 22 155 51.7
6. Alabama 3 19 163 54.3
7. Auburn 3 18 164 54.7
8. Kentucky 2 11 115 57.5
9. South Carolina 3 20 197 65.7
10. Arkansas 2 19 160 80.0
11. Georgia 3 34 259 86.3
12. Miss. State 3 25 281 93.7
by NOPE on Sep 28, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please make sure to notice wear Alabama ranks on that list
Also remember Alabama’s first game vs. VT when their defensive captain and leader LB Rolando McClain got one of the dumbest personal fouls when he completely lost his composure and thugged out.
by NOPE on Sep 28, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Excuse me everyone I have something important to say"
Speaking of championships that were barely won by teams with 2 losses…seroiusly Alabama pretty much gave you guys that game on a silver platter in 2007(ears begin to bleed as I remember JPWIlson’s beautiful fumble on the one yard line) now if you will excuse me I am going to jump off of my roof……………into a pool filled with kool aid of course……….“CCCAAANNNOOONNNBBAALL”
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Sep 29, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's an Oklahoma fan.
Bama fans are still rational! :)
by jsholt969 on Sep 28, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was fun
Make sure you scroll up and read his rant about Pete Carroll.
Any fan who is disappointed by their team winning the NATIONAL TITLE should just stop watching football. That is the point when you know that you’ll never ever be happy.
Any time I feel down on Miles, I read something like that and remind myself that I really don’t want someone like that as an ally. There is simply no way to rationally complain about 2005-2007. None. Well, except for the Auburn game….
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by Poseur on Sep 28, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we blow out Georgia next week
These same miserable bastards will be setting up a March for Miles rally.
by NOPE on Sep 28, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSU ranked 28th in the nation in penalties against
Only Tenn and Vandy are ranked higher in the SEC.
by NOPE on Sep 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok Sorry about that
There is so much wrong with that guys post its hard for me to stop:
Here is who LSU beat in 2007
MSU
- Virgnia Tech
MTSU - South Carolina
Tulane - Florida
lost to #17 Kentucky - 18 Auburn
- 19 Alabama
La Tech
Ole Miss
lost to Ark - 15 Tennessee
- 1 Ohio State
by NOPE on Sep 28, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow. that was a bad post.
MSU
9 Virgnia Tech
MTSU
14 South Carolina
Tulane
1 Florida
lost to #17 Kentucky
18 Auburn
19 Alabama
La Tech
Ole Miss
lost to Ark
15 Tennessee
1 Ohio State
by NOPE on Sep 28, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gee, I Just Can't Wait
I want to be a major program coach, who has not lost a game, is ranked number 4 in the nation, and treatened with losing my job over something that may or may not happen. There are so many more out there who can out-coach me every day from dawn to midnight and most of them are “our fans”. Without having the responsibility for the whole team, it is easy for them to see just how the game should go, who should be in the game at any given play, and obviously, how stupid I am as a coach! I am not going to waste time moving up the ladder of experience for, having watched football for years, I obviously know more than I could ever learn on the sidelines…
I will not make mistakes, for there is no percentage in making mistakes. There shall be perfection in all that the team does or I will throw them all under the bus, and crawl right under there with them. Then, a new team and a new coach, can come on the scene to the obvious pleasure of the fans until things don’t go exactly the way the masses so desire…
On second thought, why in the world would I want to put myself and my family through this. Could it be the love of football and the chance to impact players positively… Could it be that I still support Les Miles??? To paraphrase Gov. Palin, “You betcha”
by lawildbull on Sep 28, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like it was said before...
People aren’t so much upset with the past as they are afraid of the future. Trying to prepare themselves for the disappointment they see coming ahead. If we were Florida, and we had played the exact same way, there would be unrest, but nothing to this level. People need to have faith until we lose. Because why do anything else?
by Nearl on Sep 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to repeat NOPE's comment from above
Because it might get lost in the fray here:
“If we blow out Georgia next week, these same miserable bastards will be setting up a March for Miles rally.”
That x1000000
Plenty of reason not to be happy with the quality of our play thus far. I’m with Capn Ken in really disliking anyone who vilifies rational critiquers with knee-jerk emotional tirades. All that said, while I don’t think we’re going to beat Georgia, and am certainly worried it could get ugly, I do think we CAN win. We’re only 3-point dogs, after all. If we do pull it off, the less desirable elements of the LSU fanbase that NOPE references above will do a pretty fast 180.
by GeauxTigers on Sep 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will say again
We just don’t deserve Mr. Les Miles.
Thank God that RR is getting it going @ Michigan because if that job was open again after this crap we’d for sure lose the best coach we EVER had.
Some freaking moron called his radio show last week and asked Les Miles if the rumors were true that he was ‘meddling’ in the offense. Are you kidding me? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? These idiotic fair weather morons couldn’t wear Les Miles jock strap. He’s the head coach, I hope he’s meddling in the offense you idiot!
This man is not just good at his job, he is his freaking job. He has been one of the best recruiters in the country his entire career. (Did any of you geniuses see the OTLs piece about Sal Aunese? or notice the turn-around HE orchestrated at OKSt. – His former assistant has done a pretty good job with HIS recruits don’t you think) He has a brass set and anybody who thinks he’s dumb or lucky is just so stinking stupid they need to get back on the short bus and start school all over – of course you just can’t fix stupid.
Ask just about ANY of his players, including Ryan Perilloux-who he kicked off the team, and they’d walk over hot coals for the man.
It’s one thing to say I’m concerned about this or that but for people who supposedly LOVE the Tigers to feed this internet innuendo and call his job security into question- when the Man is FOUR and ZERO and in SOLE POSSESSION OF THE BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE AND MOST SUCCESFUL FOUR YEAR STRETCH IN LSU HISTORY- is the worst thing I’ve ever experienced in delusional fan-ism.
I doubt anybody reading this blog is as good at anything as Les Miles is at his job.
WE (You Negative Highly Critical – "off with the head") Tiger fans don’t deserve to wear purple and gold and if we (the Whole Tiger Nation) get punished by the football gods with the second coming of Curley Hullman you will have all gotten what you deserve and the rest of us will hate you forever!!
In closing, JUST SHUT UP!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Sep 28, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if you all don't want him, send him to Lexington
I’ll drive
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 29, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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