30 Greatest Tigers of the Decade: #10 JaMarcus Russell
by Poseur on Jan 25, 2010 12:00 PM CST
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JaMarcus Russell was a player so good that even his successes seemed like disappointments. Here is a player that went 25-4 as a starter, yet people question whether he is a winner. He was a miracle play by Iowa away from having nine come from behind wins in his career, yet people questioned whether he was clutch. But no one ever, ever questioned his immense talent.
Actually, the first time we got a glimpse of JaMarcus was coming off the bench in the 2004 season opener. As a freshman, he came off the bench and score two touchdowns against Oregon St. to lead LSU to his first comeback victory. He would serve primarily as a backup as a redshirt freshman, but he started four games. He didn't start the Capital One Bowl, but he came in down 24-12 and went 12/15 for 128 yards and 2 touchdowns, the apparent game-winner with less than a minute left. Still, it was about as promising a freshman year a quarterback could have,
Russell earned the starting job before his sophomore year, and he was the QB for the remarkable 2005 season, plagued by the hurricanes. OK, we can admit it was a bad call that allowed the play to stand, but his last second, 4th and 10, 39-yard touchdown pass to Early Doucet against Arizona St. was just a fantastic play. He put up big numbers: 188/311 for 2,443 yards, 15 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions. Russell threw for a TD pass in 9 straight games, as he was the emotional leader who carried the team through adversity and to the SEC Championship Game.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Russell's junior year is the single greatest season by an LSU quarterback. Better than Hodson, better than Jones, better than Tittle, better than anyone. He was 232/342 for 3,129 yards, 28 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions. The yards were second best in school history to Rohan Davey, but he set school records in completions, completion percentage, passer efficiency, and touchdowns. He became the only LSU quarterback to ever beat Alabama, Auburn, Florida, AND Tennessee (not to mention bonus wins over Arkansas, Miami, and Notre Dame).
Somehow, Russell was not name first team All-American, though he did sweep the All-SEC teams and won the Manning Award. He absolutely crushed Brady Quinn's Notre Dame team in the Sugar Bowl, as if to show everyone who really deserved the plaudits as best quarterback in the country. Russell rightfully went pro and became the first LSU player since Billy Cannon to be drafted first overall in the NFL Draft. JaMarcus Russell is the greatest LSU football player to never win the SEC title, which is the only thing keeping him from being the #1 guy on this list.
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I totally and completely Agree
Great write.
With JR coming in as only our 10th best of the decade that says a lot for just how golden LSU athletics has been for the last 10 years!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Jan 25, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
People question his clutchness..
yet, when Jamarcus Russell had the ball in his hands with LSU behind by less than a touchdown and less than 2 minutes to play, Jamarcus Russell was something like 8-2, and one of those 2 was the Iowa game in which he made the play but Iowa had a miracle completion to win. The other one was the 2006 Auburn game, where the game ended with us on the 5 yard line and not enough time to run another play.
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by Richard Pittman on Jan 25, 2010 12:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2006 Auburn...
… I’m still mad about that game.
The picked up flag. Guh. And then JaMarcus makes the throw and it very well could have been a TD had the safety not made a truly terrific tackle.
We should’ve won that friggin’ game…
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by Poseur on Jan 25, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what happens when you try to pound the ball unsuccessfully for 3 quarters...
Before you realize you have the best QB in the league on your team. Thanks Jimbo.
by LSU Jonno on Jan 25, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis and Early Doucet
Three NFL receivers Mr. Russell had the great fortune of throwing to every Saturday.
Yes, he led us in many “come from behind victories” usually though because of early ineptness. If it wasn’t for extremely talented receivers getting open, and then performing circus-like catches, his stock would have been much lower.
I always thought more talent lurked inside of his massive frame, and now after seeing him be nationally and openly ridiculed for laziness, it seems that criticism is justified.
In short, I think he was surrounded by incredible talent (put Brady Quinn on that LSU team and he wins the Heisman), was an aloof player that never assumed the leadership mantle, and was agonizing inconsistent. I’ll always be thankful for the wins and attention he helped produce for the program, but I struggle at understanding his prominent position on this list.
by TigerPaw on Jan 25, 2010 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree
…he set school records in completions, completion percentage, passer efficiency, and touchdowns.
Jamarcus is one of my all-time favorite LSU players. I remember one play against Tennessee, he took a corner blitz full in the chest, shrugged it off, and still threw the ball 20 yards downfield with the corner hanging on him (incomplete, but it was just amazing it wasn’t a sack). Nothing against Flynn at all, but I’m convinced we would have been undefeated in 2007 if Jamarcus had come back for his senior year.
by The Bengal on Jan 25, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Tennessee play is my favorite from JR.
He got drilled, shook it off, and got rid of the ball.
by Displaced Tiger on Jan 25, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Bust
Notice how all of these guys are huge busts in the NFL? Landry has regressed every year in Washington. Clayton hasn’t made a play since his rookie year. Russell is the biggest bust of all time. He should not have been drafted number one.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Jan 25, 2010 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know, do not feed the troll
He’s an OU fan. Someone is a little bit jealous, and it’s not like OU players have torn up the NFL. You’re welcome for ruining Huepel’s career.
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by Poseur on Jan 25, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest bust of all time tag
is reserved for Ryan Leaf. At least JR has had a few good moments with Oakland. On OU players, did ya know they OU has never had a QB take a meaningful pro snap. They ran the wishbone for years, but still that’s an amazing stat. I don’t understand the ruining Huepel’s career. Can you explain.
by bcooper on Jan 25, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JR is really challenging Leaf for that spot.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
by Jrlz on Jan 25, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I get my worthless OU QB's confused
I will say, the Raiders do take some of the blame for JaMarcus. They indulged his worst instincts (hey, just chuck it deep!), gave him terrible receivers and no running game, and publicly ridiculed him as a motivational tool. He’s been given almost no chance to succeed.
But, wow. He’s displayed the worst work ethic in NFL history.
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by Poseur on Jan 25, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead
Yeah we don’t produce QBs. So what. At least all of our high draft picks aren’t worthless bums with horrible work ethics who get lazy as soon as they get paid. See Dorsey, Bowe, Clayton, Russell, Landry, Tyson Jackson, etc.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Jan 25, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Saints would like to thank
Adrian Peterson for his contributions yesterday.
by The Bengal on Jan 25, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Dvoracek and Malcolm Kelly not go to OU?
Bowe has been pretty outstanding in the League. Not sure those other guys are lazy but not everybody is a superstar.
by dallaslsu on Jan 25, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, jeez
LSU has more players in the NFL than any other school. We even have two possible future Hall of Famers (Mawae and Faneca). We honestly don’t need your approval. We’re doing fine.
Go troll somewhere else.
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by Poseur on Jan 25, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone is still a little upset
That Marcus Spears (not a bust, btw..) and the 2003 defense made that geriatric Jason White look like a little bitch in the NCG.
"Tiger Stadium is by far the worst place to play for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum." - Paul "Bear" Bryant
by Chinese Bandit on Jan 25, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
We shouldn’t have been in that game. I’m more upset that USC wasn’t in that game and the fact that they never got the chance to expose you guys. After the K-State debacle I really did not care about the national championship game because even if we beat a one dimensional LSU team there would always have been a “yeah but” to our title like there was to Alabama. K-State showed what we were that year, an above average defense with a suspect o-line and a quarterback with no knees. Congratulations on having the two worst champions of the BCS era. Be thankful that you didn’t play USC in ’03 and ’07.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Jan 25, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst Champions?
Thats kinda like Jumbo-Shrimp right? An oxymoron. I’ll take those 2 championships and be glad we didn’t play USC in ’04.
"Tiger Stadium is by far the worst place to play for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum." - Paul "Bear" Bryant
by Chinese Bandit on Jan 25, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jumbo Shrimp
I like that. In fact, I know this great recipe…
Seriously, LSU would have beaten USC in 03’ no question.
We have two BCS National Championships and that’s what counts!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Jan 25, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so tired of this
Give me a break. Its like Alabama fans saying they would have beaten Texas if McCoy played the whole game. You just have to look at that Sugar Bowl and see that USC would have handily beaten LSU. You guys only manage 14 offensive points that game and hung on to beat, in all honesty, a mediocre and one dimensional OU team in a home game. If our defense is able to hold you guys to 14 points I think USC would have been able to do even better. While USC would not have moved up and down the field against LSU’s D they would have done enough. You really are delusional if you think LSU in New Orleans would have been able to beat USC. USC had a way better offense, while LSU had a better defense than USC, but LSU’s offensive ineptitude would have made up that difference.
Get over yourself and take off the Purple and Gold glasses and accept that USC was the better team.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Jan 25, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The point total isn't fooling anybody
That game was not nearly as close as the score. LSU gained twice as many yards as OU. Oh, and that inept offense put up 420 yds/gm that year. Nobody seems to remember that because the defense was so nasty. Feel free to rant on all you want about us not being able to beat USC. We would have, badly. And frankly, I don’t give a damn because we didn’t have to. We have that particular crystal ball, not them, not you. I suggest you accept that.
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by Chinese Bandit on Jan 26, 2010 2:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever makes you trolls feel better.
Like the Bandit said, we have particular crystal ball just accept it.
Tell Big Game Bob we said hello!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Jan 26, 2010 5:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One dimensional?
I guess that one dimension was Awesome. LSU had a defense that was one of the best of all-time. The 2003 team, well, let me quote myself:
The 2003 LSU Tigers, per game, allowed 11.0 points (#1 in the nation), 252.0 yards (#1), 67.0 on the ground (#3), a passing efficiency of 89.81 (#2), and forced 33 turnovers (#9).
The offense, by the way, was top 15 in scoring and had a dynamic passing attack not to mention a 1000 yard rusher.
So, the 2003 team had a historically great defense and a really good offense. I’m actually pissed at OU because we didn’t get the chance to kick the crap out of USC that season. LSU was a MUCH better team than SC that season. Our defense was far better than theirs and our offense scored nearly as much.
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by Poseur on Jan 26, 2010 7:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said...
This is such a non-argument it is funny.
Not only would we have kicked the crap out of USC in 2003, we’d have kicked the crap out of anyone in 2007 with a healthy team, just like we did to OSU, VT and every other top 10 team we played that year.
by LSU Jonno on Jan 26, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
^^So There^^
+100000000000000000000000
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Jan 26, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
" One dimensional? I guess that one dimension was Awesome."
How do I make this into my little tag line?
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jan 26, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Undefeated in regulation
This is the same great offense that only managed 17 against Georgia, 17 against Ole Miss, 7 against Florida, So your great offense pretty much came up small in the biggest games of the year. Give me a break.
I don’t know what game you guys were watching, but the game was close. Its not like we were down 21-0 and tacked on two meaningless touchdowns at the end. We had a chance to tie the game twice within the last 5 minutes and would have if Jason White didn’t miss a wide open KeJaun Jones. Fool yourself into thinking that the game wasn’t close.
Compare that to USC who’s lowest point total the entire year was 23 and against Auburn in the first game of the season. They were held below 30 one other the entire season that was against Michigan in the Rose Bowl where they only managed 28. USC’s defense wasn’t nearly given its due that season biggest it had an unbelievable offense.
To think that the LSU defense would held USC in check is funny. A great offense, for the most part, is able to move the ball and score points against a great defense. See USC’s offense against Texas’ defense in ‘05. See Texas’ against ’Bama this year. See the Colts against the Jets. Would USC have rolled up 40? No. But they would have gotten somewhere in the range of 21-28 points and held LSU to about 14.
Be thankful you got a slice of the pie and didn’t have to play USC. Just like Auburn fan’s should be thankful that they get to whine till eternity about going undefeated and not playing USC in ’04.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Jan 26, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would've been a much better game had Auburn played them.
Who cares about us scoring 17 points in 2 victories over top 15 teams? Honestly, IT WAS SIX YEARS AGO. GET OVER IT. We’ve moved on, I think you should to.
We scored 31 against Auburn that year, btw.
USC’s offense looked better because they played in the Pac-10, which, like the Big 12, hasn’t been known for stout defenses lately.
We fumbled the ball at the goal line after Justin Vincent ripped off a 64 yard run on the first play of the game. If not for that, tack on 7 more points. Play out that scenario and guess what? WE STILL WIN THE GAME.
Go back under the bridge where you belong, troll.
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by Chinese Bandit on Jan 26, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, trolls
You mean their great defense which let up 18.3 PPG? Which is good, but a full touchdown more than LSU’s that season. Oh, you mean their defense which allowed 20 points in half of their games and over 30 points to California and Hawaii and 28 to Oregon St. While we’re picking out a team’s worst games to show their unit stinks.
LSU scored 475 points that year (ten points less than Hawaii, but more than Cal or OSU). If SC couldn’t stop those offense, why do you think they could stop LSU’s? LSU hung 59 on Arizona (SC scored 45), 31 on Auburn (SC scored 23), oh, and 34 on Georgia in the rematch that you so studiously ignored. In one of the games you cited for LSU’s offense being poor, you forgot the rematch. LSU AVERAGED 25.5 points against Georgia.
In short, stop trying to make yourself feel better by wrapping yourself in some other team’s reflected glory. If you want to see two crystal footballs, any LSU or Florida fan will helpfully give you directions to their respective campuses.
The only reason I’m even bothering with you is because its so much fun to talk about how awesome the 2003 team was. We can do this all day. And no amount of trolling will change the fact we won the national title. Enjoy.
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by Poseur on Jan 26, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poseur,
I need to buy a troll to guard the creek under my bridge.
Since you OWN this one are you willing to sell?
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Jan 26, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you meant Jason White
who now is an investor in several sports hat stores. He had a hell of a year in 03 till he had to play KSU and then LSU.
FYI – I loved the opening sentence from the article above. All the articles have been outstanding, very entertaining and informative.
by bcooper on Jan 25, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
For the record, I respect OU’s football tradition. I just hate stupid trolls.
And, at the risk of tooting my own horn, I liked that sentence as well. Every so often, you turn a phrase that says exactly what you mean.
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by Poseur on Jan 25, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My mom and sister never liked JaMarcus.
I always defended him, but since he’s been in the NFL, he’s been very hard to defend.
Wow, did he fall apart in the pros or what?
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
by Jrlz on Jan 25, 2010 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's like he got paid in cookie dough
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by Poseur on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Fat Jamarcus Twitter is money, though
“Drew Brees is like a whiter, shorter, thinner, smarter, more skilled version of JaMarcus.”
by The Bengal on Jan 25, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"It's like he got paid in cookie dough"
That’s funny, I don’t care who you are!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Jan 25, 2010 4:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jamarcus Russell
Has to be the most controversial LSU football player of my lifetime. He’s the best Tiger QB I’ve ever seen and it’s not even close, and there are LSU fans who hate — and when you post on a message board to take pleasure in his failures as a professional, yes, that is hate — him.
by Billy Gomila on Jan 25, 2010 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a suspicion
that’s it’s the same ones who think Jordan Jefferson is too dumb and not enough of a leader to be QB at LSU.
by The Bengal on Jan 25, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand how great J-Russ was here at LSU
but he is virtually indefensible as a pro. I’m not taking pleasure in his failures- I’m mourning what could have been.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
by Jrlz on Jan 25, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I understand that
But I’ve seen specific instances of what I mentioned. Personally, I think its people who ran their mouths for 2 years that Matt Flynn would be better. He wasn’t, so they’re grasping at straws so they can still win the internet.
This phenomenon applies to virtually every internet message board argument lol.
by Billy Gomila on Jan 25, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JaMarcus in the NFL
granted he looks like he is in awful shape, but I think he has the 2nd best record of the last 9 QB’s for the Raiders. The Raiders just suck. The raiders have made 2 of the best players of the SEC this decade look terrible (Russell and McFadden)
by Street Diction on Jan 25, 2010 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They aren't good
It has nothing to do with the team you are on. In the NFL if you can play you can play regardless of position. Look at Calvin Johnson, and Steven Jackson who play on the two worst teams in the league yet they make plays on a week to week basis without a quarterback. Look Chris Johnson, who plays on a team that can’t throw the ball. DMac and JMac can not play its that simple. JMac does not know how to make reads. If you tell him where to throw the ball he would be the best QB in the NFL. His mechanics are great but his understanding and decision making are awful he doesn’t know how to read defenses.
McFadden is just not that good for whatever reason. He doesn’t seem to have very good vision, at Arkansas it seemed that he tried to bounce everything to the outside and it doesn’t work in the NFL.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Jan 25, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're an idiot
Two words-Corey Dillon.
Getting stuck on the most dysfunctional team in the history of pro sports wasn’t going to help JaMarcus. He could thread the needle at LSU, accuracy isn’t his problem. He led the nation in passing efficiency in the toughest defensive league in college, so I doubt reading defenses is his problem. At this point, I can only think of 2 ways to salvage his career: he changes teams via free agency or trade, or (and I know this sounds cold but it’s true) Al Davis dies, and they get competent management and leadership.
by Ianoka on Jan 27, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Dillon was productive
Thats the difference chief. There have been many good players on horrible dysfunctional teams. Corey Dillon was the Bengals only Pro Bowler for years on the Bengals and had many quality seasons. Look at Anquan Boldin, before Kurt Warner got there and before they became good Boldin was a Pro Bowler. When they were horrible, he had one of the best seasons that any receiver ever had. Look at Calvin Johnson, he put up a Pro Bowl calliber season on a team that went 0-16. There are countless examples of great players on horrible franchises. Being on a bad dysfunctional team is not an excuse for why a guy can’t play.
Accuracy at the college level doesn’t necessarily translate to the NFL. If you are completing about 50% of your passes then you aren’t very accurate. Accuracy may not be his problem, but work ethic, intelligence, weight, and mobility may be.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Jan 27, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This season says it all
Mark Sanchez got the Jets to the AFC title game with worse passing numbers this season than Jamarcus had in his one full season with Oakland. But he had the No. 1 defense and league’s best running game. Shockingly, that made a big difference.
Sadly though, Jamarcus’ apparent apathy towards his situation is going to probably going to hurt his chances of ever getting himself in a better situation.
by Billy Gomila on Jan 25, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else surprised
by the lack of “Matt Flynn is the greatest QB EVAR b/c he won championships” comments? Have y’all been censoring?
JR was awesome. I miss watching him play. I’m remember the double spin move to avoid 2 different pass rusher’s before completing the 45+ yard pass down field to Early Doucet in the OM game. Sick.
by amiznit on Jan 26, 2010 11:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shhhh they might hear you
That’s the worst LSU debate on the internet and I don’t want it on here.
by Billy Gomila on Jan 26, 2010 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Matt Mauck!
He’s the only LSU QB to win two SEC Championship Games. AND a national title. Just sayin’…
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by Poseur on Jan 26, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Mauck's one of the eight remaining?
Glenn Dorsey, Josh Reed, Ciron Black, Andrew Whitworth and Corey Webster are going to kick your ass.
by The Bengal on Jan 26, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Be gone Troll
The hammer’s getting laid down now.
by Billy Gomila on Jan 26, 2010 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it gone?
I’m sorry if I instigated that.. I know I’m fairly new in terms of commenting but I’ve been reading this blog a long time and that was maybe the worst troll I’ve ever seen. That guy was worse than some of the bama ones.
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by Chinese Bandit on Jan 26, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda liked him
It was like having a troll say, “Tell me again how great your 2003 team was…”
Memories.
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by Poseur on Jan 26, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your style Poseur - Geaux Tigers!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Jan 26, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well thats true.
I get a good warm-tingly feeling thinking about how incredibly badass that team was…
"Tiger Stadium is by far the worst place to play for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum." - Paul "Bear" Bryant
by Chinese Bandit on Jan 26, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JR is a stud...great link.
The other thing I take from the video is how great our receivers were then as well. A golden age at both QB and WR.
by Displaced Tiger on Jan 27, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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