Post Game Chatter: Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda
6 & Mother Fuckin' 0. Drink it up Tiger fans. It's a great, great feeling. If you find yourself amongst the grumbling few tonight, you are a lonely, miserable wretch who probably pleasures oneself to videos of puppies being thrown into a river. Seriously... GET. THE FUCK. OVER. YOURSELF. I don't care if Florida is 0-5 when we play them. Going into the Swamp and stealing victory smacking that ass around all night, is a great win.
Look, the only place LSU didn't dominate this game was the scoreboard. They outplayed us on special teams, you say? Take out Debose's 88-yard scamper they had 66 return yards on five kickoff returns.... we had 138 yards on five kickoff returns. Even considering his 88-yarder, we still outgained them by two yards... return. We owned T.O.P. Total Yards. Passing Yards. Rushing Yards. Yards Per Carry. Yards Per Attempt. Field Goals. Red Zone Scoring (100%). Sacks. Oh yeah.. and points. We scored more points.
Seriously though, is Les Miles the Mickey O'Neil of SEC football. Honestly. You can't understand a word he says. His entire existence seems to lend itself to comedy. Yet, it turns out, Les Miles is a gypsy bare-knuckled boxing champion.Cause at any given moment, he could knock you the fuck out.
I don't think you could meet an LSU fan tonight that wouldn't acknowledge that this game "COULDA, SHOULDA, WOULDA" been a blowout. We gift-wrapped 14 points. Florida scored 14 points on 33 yards. And while I typically caution against rationalizing, they didn't exactly make great plays to get themselves there. JJ threw a god-awful interception returned inside the red zone. Peterson made a god-awful fumble that gave them the ball in the red zone. If one of those two boneheaded plays doesn't happen, LSU likely wins this one with ease.
But this gets back to a recurring theme I've seen in EVERY game thus far. We beat ourselves. A lot. It's easy to point fingers at Les or Gary or Chavis, whatever. But I challenge you to go back and re-watch every game and tell me how it's not on the players. I mean that sincerely. And if it's not one thing, it's another. QB throws a huge INT. Stud punt returner suddenly can't field a punt. A useless holding. A mindless false start. A silly fumble that we recover... but lose 12 yards on. We drop an easy 3rd down conversion. A player fumbles while extending the ball out to get an extra yard... at midfield. In a moment these things seem typical... just plays that happen in the course of a football game. But when you see them recur for three... four... five... six weeks, it begins to set in that some guys aren't playing up to their lofty potential. AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COACHING.
I see people say, "if we play Lee, we win this one easy." NO. If we cut out stupid mistakes, we win this one easy. We waxed Florida tonight. Make no bones about it. We marched into Gainesville and completely outclassed them... better gameplan, more prepared, better athletes... we bested them in every phase. Until their semi-miraculous 80-yard drive, they had 163 yards of offense. Jordan Jefferson accounted for 142 yards... on his own. I know you can't just throw out the 80-yard drive (I still think the 51-yard pass was aided by a holding on Mingo), but it proved to be more of anomaly than a pattern. It just so happened to come at the worst possible time for LSU.
Look, we got out of this game what we wanted (besides a win). A heavy dose of Ridley (28 carries). QBs being put in manageable situations. WRs making plays. Defense making turnovers. Consistent QB pressure. Sound open field tackling. In everything but the score board, LSU looked like a National Championship caliber team.
If LSU can find a way to eliminate the silly mistakes, this team can be scary good. Just consider what we would look like right now had we not done stupid things in the first six weeks of the season. We had two three and outs all night. Our next shortest drive was five plays, and even that was the result of us killing a drive purposefully to take a FG attempt before the half (and resulted in points).
We've been saying it for a couple weeks here, but I want to re-emphasize it now. Embrace the madness. This team THRIVES off the criticism. The players are taking each and every media slight, dig at their coach, insult, laugh, mock, prod... and saying... "Oh yeah? Well fuck you." The only thing more dangerous than a good team, is an inspired one. And right now, LSU is one inspired bunch.
Other Thoughts:
-We needed this win. I can't think of any one that felt sweeter in the past 10 years, and yes I include the National Championships. With a fanbase divided over the head coach, question marks surrounding our offense and the legitimacy of our team, we needed a victory tonight to prove something both to the national media (eh, fuck them, I don't care what they think) and mostly, to our own fans.
-LSU has only started 4-0 in SEC play 10 times in their history. The last time was 1987.
-How many more of our opponents are going to seriously think they can block Nevis man up? It's becoming comical. Meyer and co. deserve to lose on that basis alone. Nevis tonight: 4.5 TFLs, 1.5 sacks, 7 tackles. His career won't bare it out, but right now Nevis is playing at a higher level than Glenn Dorsey did at his peak.
-After a sloppy game vs. Tennessee, Kelvin Sheppard returned to his ever-present self. He played like a man tonight. 2 TFLs, 1 sack and 8 tackles. He made and outstanding read/tackle on a screen that could've been a huge 3rd down conversion for Florida. And don't forget, he's the guy that gets our guys lined up every single play.
-Oblong leather objects with laces gravitate towards Tyrann Mathieu in a way that even science cannot explain.
-9 TFLs for the defense. If you think they didn't play well, you are kidding yourself.
-People can down PP7 all the want for "not breaking" a return lately. I'll take the 26.5 yards per return he gives us and laugh my way to the bank. This guy is giving us a quarter of the field EVERY time he returns a kickoff. They can call that "bottling" him up all they want.
-Our secondary is scary good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gave up a 51-yarder. But the primary reason Florida did shit nothing all night is because our corners and safeties allow nothing to get over the top on them. Our philosophy is classic Tampa 2. Go ahead and take the underneath. We'll let you have it. But you are going to have to do it 12-13 times in succession to score, because we won't let you have anything more. More plays = more opportunities for failure in this sense.
-Our offense performed considerably better with Lee at the helm (10.29 yards per play to 4.6 yards per play with JJ). Yet, I still think the two-QB system is necessary. Usually, I'm wholly against this type of thing, but for us, it seems to work. The guys seem to play more within themselves. Todd Blackledge commented that he hates it because guys typically feel like they have to make huge plays every time they are in. Yet, for us, it seems opposite. Both QBs seem intent on just doing what they are asked. That being said, the weight of the PT needs to shift to 60/40 Lee or maybe even more. JJ gives this offense something, but I think a bulk of new, slim, sexy Jarrett Lee is what will really catapult us forward.
-It's good to see Michael Ford get some run. We need him to continue to develop as that outside running threat. His 1st run was beautiful. His second run, he had no chance, but still hit it up in there hard trying to make the most he could. He's the PERFECT compliment to Ridley considering all the backs we have. If he continues to develop and we can come at opponents with an inside and outside run threat... start praying.
-How perfect was the shot of the praying LSU chick? I feel like that image alone encapsulates our entire season.
-There's just something about this team...
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ESPN announcers calling Miles the Mad Hatter
Whats up with that.
And did you hear the boooooooing from the UF fans. I wonder if they will get a letter this week.
Gotta luv the team. They have been saying all week that Miles is better than reported. They came out with emotion for him and played well. They know more than we do about Miles and it showed last night.
Les' Reply
I think Coach Miles’ response to the ESPN Reporter, who asked him about the moniker given him, i.e., “the Mad Hatter”, was perfect. He said some thing to the effect that it may be about his hat, but there’s nothing “mad” underneath it.
I eat crow and say I told you so.
JJ did better than I thought he had in him. His attitude still looks to suck but he should get 12 snaps a game inside the 5. Lee is now clearly much better at Qb. Not as good of an athlete but we got enough athletes. Time to let DCs worry about both phases of the game.
Now we just need to get PP off the return team – that guy sux! ;)
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Oct 10, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions
Two more things you didn't mention Paul
1. I think Urban Meyer got outcoached. Face! Kudos to Miles and Crowton who come in with a game plan to work around our QB defficiencies and actually get close to 400 yards total offense on one of the better Ds.
2. TToliver for MVP
Agree completely
They had no answer on either side of the ball all night.
An Toliver played the game of his life. It’s sweet redemption for him after the Florida coaches tried to push negative shit about LSU on him. Had to feel good.
That's got to be a special tweak to Meyer...
for his receiver’s coach to be on the other side when a beautiful fade route combination pitch & catch was done in his face FTW.
Word I got was that Gonzales was on the sidelines yelling out the Florida audibles for the LSU Defense all night.
by TigerEducated on Oct 10, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Good read
I agree and said it after last weeks game – give me Lee between the 20s and JJ inside them.
Said it early in the year… this could be a special year!
i only partly agree with this
i like JJ running or handing off on goaline plays – but he couldn’t have made those 2 fade routes at the end. I don’t want to automatically pull Lee every time he gets us in the red zone
What I love about Les,
and I love the guy (check my past posts), is that he gets his players to play with passion, tenacity, and heart every game. Yeah they might muff a punt, get stupid penalties, but there’s no questioning their heart. That credity goes to Les and his staff. The other things are coachable and truthfully each week the “little” things get more and more cleaned up. In addition, I love how this team is still growing, what we saw in Sept. is not close to what it is now, and what it will be in Nov and so on. Guys stay focused, don’t listen to the snakes in the grass that thought you were slouches all season. Listen to yourselves and hang tight in that locker room. GEAUX TIGERS!
by Howard Green on Oct 10, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
On 2 QB's
I think the biggest plus in this particular situation, is that both guys can play through their mistakes. They’re not scared to make them, because yeah, you’re coming out but your chance will come again. Not every 2-QB situatioin is like that.
And it took BOTH QB’s to win this game.
THIS is 100% the point
and the geniusry of Les “I don’t give a rat’s … what they think” Miles!
Wowhoooo!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Oct 10, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
it took the coaches a while to set this situation up – but now they’ve done a good job with it
Yeah, that's the ticket...
They wanted to get Jordan to 3.0 Yards Per Attempt heading into the UF Game before they went with the proper rotation.
Yup…They played that one beautifully.
I am glad we won, but that QB rotation was done because Jordan’s completely regressed as a passer, not because the staff wanted this rotation.
He took a step forward last night. Perhaps seeing that Lee is producing far more consistently, as is the offense with Lee at the helm of it, than he is has finally lit a fire under him, or caused the metaphorical switch to be flipped.
But, the staff didn’t want this. I assure you.
by TigerEducated on Oct 10, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yo Paul...
Don’t sugarcoat it dude, tell us how you really feel…
OK, I kid. But don’t forget the perfect time management from Les in the last 2:56 of the Second Quarter, resulting in ten points going into the half.
What a difference a week makes.
by Just Outside of Barstow on Oct 10, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions
Don’t sugarcoat it dude, tell us how you really feel…
Gotta love Paul’s use of video!
Allways spot on!
Geaux Tigers!!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Oct 10, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Feeling Great
I feel great this morning. LSU dominated Florida like few LSU teams of the past. Sure, there were some mistakes made, but as someone said they are becoming fewer and fewer. This team has the potential for great things to happen this year, if they can keep improving from week to week. As for Les Miles, I think most of us owe him a big apology. He may not be the best college coach in the nation, but he’s surely one of the best in getting his players to play for him to prove everyone else wrong. Proving others wrong can be a very powerful motivator for anyone with a little pride.
You could point fingers in a number of directions
I have to admit that I’m cautiously optimistic at this point. This team did allow Florida to stay in the game, but that’s not all on play calling. No one should be completely optimistic about every aspect of a team’s game even if they are 6-0 because there are obvious areas for improvement. But it’s also obvious that we’ve improved in some areas as well. It’s not all negative, but it’s far from being all positive too.
I believed LSU had the defense to handle Florida last night and I was proven correct. The scoreboard just doesn’t reflect how well LSU’s defense performed. LSU’s offense outgained Florida’s offense by 142 total yards. LSU dominated the time of possession. What a naysayer can point out is that LSU still only beat Florida by four points. While we can say, “Scoreboard,” we can look at certain aspects of the game that need to be improved. Turnovers need to decrease. The two turnovers gave Florida short fields that allowed them to score. LSU also needs to stop shooting itself in the foot with stupid penalties. If an early safety hadn’t been overturned by a needless face mask penalty, that two point cushion would have really come in handy.
It’s not all positive, but it’s not all negative either. Great teams find ways to win. We don’t know if 2010 LSU is one of those great teams yet, but 6-0 is much better than any of us could have predicted at this point. LSU still has the hardest part of its schedule that has yet to be played. The SEC West is still up for grabs and a team might have to go undefeated to win the West. Can LSU do it? If they keep the stupid mistakes to a minimum, they can do it.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
The scouting report is out on Florida
Run on them, take the hat to them early & often, limit self-inflicted mistakes, wear them down. They’ve gotten pushed around on the lines the last 2 weeks. They could barely block Miami (O.) man up & a bunch of their scoring “drives” this year have come from short fields.
The scoreboard certainly didn’t tell the story of that game last night- LSU pushed Florida around for most of the night & I loved it.
Great point...and notice...
We did not throw a SINGLE option play last night. Florida’s way too fast to get anywhere running the option. Witness Shepard getting two speed sweeps. Seeing as how we telegraph them so badly, that in concert with their team speed, he finished with negative rushing yards.
You simply can’t run horizontally against them & expect to have success.
Straight North & South more or less.
When it comes to the pass, you want big targets to attack vertically. For most teams, you can get a good matchup against the tight ends, like LSU did up the seams early (Peterson & Clement).
But, if you’ve got some physical wide receivers like a Toliver, you can get it to him quickly & again attack them vertically. Our two biggest pass plays were arguably Lee to Toliver on the quick slant.
You go right at them. An Auburn probably would not have a great game against the Gators. But, an LSU or Alabama who are going to head North South from jump street are going to have success.
by TigerEducated on Oct 10, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
"Florida scored 14 points on 33 drives."
Did you mean “yards” instead of “drives”? Florida’s first two TD drives were 16 and 17 yards long.
I confess
I didn’t think we were likely to win that game last night. I figured a night game in the Swamp with a dysfunctional offense was too much to overcome. I have to say though, the offense looked good last night. Not great, but certainly good enough to win games with the D and special teams if they can cut down the turnovers. Crowton didn’t have any calls last night that caused me to yell WTF? And knowing my position on him, that’s high praise. I think he called a very smart game and played to the strengths of each QB. Maybe having two different quarterbacks let’s him play grab bag enough with his offense that he’s content calling plays each of them can do.
Other than JJ’s interceptions, I didn’t see any horribly bad plays from either QB and it looked like they complemented each other well. JJ got back to being a competent passer in conjunction with his running. That pass to Randle was a very nicely lofted pass in between two levels of the defense. JLee didn’t have any of the off balance back foot throws that he did against Tennessee. All of the touchdown drives looked very impressive.
The D played great as always. I do think Paul’s overselling the special teams though. Any time you give up a red zone fumble and a TD runback, I don’t think you can claim to have won special teams. It was uncharacteristic and I don’t anticipate seeing that kind of performance again, but special teams errors directly led to 14 Florida points.
Other than that the only quibbles are those everyone else noted, the penalties. Oh, yeah, and getting Shep the ball in space more. But at least we eliminated the receiver drops. If we can cut down the turnovers and penalties, this team could be really good.
LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."
They may have won on special teams...
Out punted us.
But the fumble was just one of those things that unfortunately happens. And the return was lackadaisical.
And their inability to sniff out the FG fake made me give us the slight edge.
Only thing I didn't like
Was how insistent we were on pounding it with Ridley. I know most people on here are big fans of being a conservative running team with some play action off of it, but…wow. I would like to see how many first downs in the fourth quarter were runs, and quite a few second downs were too. Normally I don’t mind this but Ridley was getting stuffed every time in the 4th. Actually the whole game he didn’t have a ton of room. I understand the need to establish the run as a threat, but THIS is not the game that we give Ridley 28 carries. Against almost every team we face we can run the ball on, but this is probably the best defense (with maybe the exception of Alabama) that we will face the rest of the year. We couldn’t run the ball consistently enough on them to give Ridley 28 carries. I especially don’t like the call on the first play of the winning drive, and the 3rd down call before the field goal fake. Everybody knew a run was coming.
i actually liked that we did that.
I think ridley was getting 4-5 yds early and he is a good enough back to wear down the d i think. you are right that isn’t the most aggressive strategy, but i think our team has to be that “conservative” on offense b/c of our qb inabilities.
The last two weeks we were really bad with both penalties (a lot of false start/holding drive killing types) and turnovers...
with I2/2 against WVU and 9/4 against UT—UT played an almost perfect game with respect to these things with 3 penalties and 0 TO’s against us and did not do that Saturday and got rocked pretty good by UGA. We had 6/2 in those categories (UF had 11/2) and not many false start/holding types—the int was really bad, and the PP turnover was bad but he has been very good on returns all year and it happens to everyone at some point.
A couple of those penalties were questionable on D: the facemask and the pass int where the ball was uncatchable. The late hit on the QB was close but I think he could have let up but all in all we did relatively well.
It looked like the offense was simplified some with a lot of I formation power running at times and not a lot of traditional option if any iirc—drank some but not as much as in prior games (Ha Ha). At times in the first half, the QB’s were not even looking over all that much from what I remember. Also, it was good to see other backs come in to help lighten the load on Ridley. It seemed in the second half (fourth quarter mostly) UF was stuffing the run—probably committing more men—and this helped open up some of the passing I’m thinking. Look forward to more breakdown on formations and analysis from ATVS guys in the week.
I loved seeing Miles smiling/talking to both Barksdale and JLee right after the game before the reporter talked to him—not to mention his talk with her. It was really good to see JLee with a smile on his face also as Miles talked to him. Good win in a tough environment.

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