LSU-related things in the media: What's been mentioned, what hasn't been mentioned.
by Jrlz on Oct 11, 2010 5:10 PM CDT
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PrintHas been mentioned:
Les Miles is insane.
Les Miles is insanely lucky.
Les Miles has a deal with the devil or some shit.
Hasn't been mentioned:
Jarrett Lee's vengeance in the swamp.
Terrance Toliver's career game, game-winning TD, and that other TD where he dragged preseason favorite Janoris Jenkins to the endzone.
Josh Jasper made a heads-up play after a bad pitch, which is why he's one of the best kickers in the nation.
Drake Nevis, statistically, is having a better season than Ndamukong Suh was having at this point last season.
Tyrann Mathieu is the best defensive freshman in the SEC.
LSU has the SEC's best defense, and is top 5 in the nation.
Defense wins championships.
Morris Claiborne, who made an INT.
LSU's O-Line, and Joseph Barksdale's quietly great season at LT, along with great seasons by Dworaczyk, Lonergan and Hurst, with both T-Bob and Williford playing well at right guard.
The fact that Urban Meyer, the so-called special teams guru, was completely pantsed by Miles on that fake field goal.
Brandon Taylor, another player putting together a great season.
Stevan Ridley, the SEC's leading rusher among RBs.
Jordan Jefferson's two rushing TD's.
Lavar Edwards and Barkevious Mingo, who have played magnificently in Sam Montgomery's absence.
LSU's 19 sacks, which tops the SEC and is the 3rd-highest total in the nation, and the fact that LSU had a total of 21 sacks all of last season.
John Chavis.
The fact that LSU had the better gameplan and beat Florida in total yards by 140 and time of possession by ten minutes.
How calm and collected the Tigers during the game-winning drive. They were in THE SWAMP, for god-sakes.
LSU is now 3-3 versus Urban Meyer and Florida, and Miles is the first coach to beat him three times.
In conclusion, the national media just sucks. All they can talk about is Les Miles, and how it was either his cojones or (much more commonly) pure, dumb, stupid, idiotic luck that beat Florida, thereby discrediting the players, who won the game because they prepared, played their asses off, and wanted it more than Florida did. But no, no, LSU wins because they're coach is lucky. Les Miles doesn't really deserve to win, and therefore, by osmosis, LSU doesn't really deserve to win either.
Hey, media, talk about something other than Miles for a change. People keep saying "LSU wins because of talent". Oh yeah? Then TALK ABOUT THE TALENT. Yes, LSU does have talented players, and many of them have names other than Patrick Peterson. I want to hear about them. I bet their proud parents and family want to hear about them too. But no, Mrs. Toliver, it wasn't your son that made that game-winning catch. It was his coach and his magical good fortune, and most of us don't care about your son enough to even spell his name correctly.
Dear ESPN, CBS and just about every mainstream football blog out there: GO TO HELL. I'm busy. Have a great day.
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I was especially proud of Toliver's game.
How many times this year has he had drops that made us want to chop off his fingers? Somewhere, I think it was Feldman, it was noted that Toliver and Lee seem to have some good chemistry, especially when we are in a bind.
I remember during the recruiting process...
…Toliver was very excited about the prospect of playing with Lee, and vice versa.
by Gas_House_Gorillas on Oct 12, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to be a fact-check Nazi...
but it was Janoris Jenkins that Tolliver carried into the end zone with a piggy back ride. I’ve had to hear about how great he is for 3 years over here in Gaineshell, I guarantee it’s Janoris.
Plus, up until recently I worked in QC…. I can’t help myself!
Finally:
“In conclusion, the national media just sucks.”
This.
National media ain’t nothing but one big think tank. A think tank of group-think. (bad grammar double negative used for ironic effect)
No prob
There IS a Jelani Jenkins; he’s #43 but he plays more of a nickel /dime back rol but it was Janoris Jenkins, #1 that rode Tolliver like a fair ride.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 11, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Jelani
Is going to be a terror at LB when he matures a little.
Janoris is an excellent corner – he’s no Peterson, but he’s pretty stout.
I agree...
Jelani is going to be a force. Also, terrible game for Janoris, but he has done enough in college to where he is an unquestioned top 5 corner. He will go in the first 2 rounds of this upcoming draft.
1. Patrick Peterson
2. Stephon Gilmore
3. Prince Nakumara
4. Janoris Jenkins
5. Trevin Wade
Janoris Jenkins
Had a good freshman year… heard all about it from my buddy.
Sucked it up last year.
Had a good first or second game. To the point my buddy proudly proclaimed, “He’s the second best corner in the SEC!” No, that’s Stephon Gilmore or maybe Morris Claiborne or Tyrann Mathieu :P. Okay, now I’m just being a homer.
But seriously, the kid is overrated.
He plays really sloppy at times
Like his abortion of a tackle attempt on Toliver’s first touchdown.
Might be an attitude issue or something.
by Billy Gomila on Oct 11, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He still gets picks
b/c people still throw his way b/c he’s not a physical beast like PP7. He can be good all he wants but when you’re 5-9 most guys will still throw on you.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 11, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
people don't really throw his way
Yall surely weren’t throwing in his hemisphere when you needed a TD late…it was to Brown’s side….twice.
No need to pile on Janoris, he’s played really well.
Well I do have to say
that playing up Miles’ insanity is fun. Spencer Hall has offered up some quality gold on that front.
Overall, your point is definitely valid though. Some people just refuse to believe that LSU is pretty damn good at playing football. It’s trendy now to bash LSU for some reason, and Miles in particular. But they win. Because they are good. We have probably the most impressive out of conference win, and besides South Carolina the most impressive in conference win.
Yeah we can play. But Miles is nuts. And I do suspect he possesses supernatural powers.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
It is not just media bias that targets Miles!
The reason Miles is a punching bag is tied directly to the amount of punches landed by ‘us’ the Tiger Fan Base. The ranting over Miles is vicious and goes back to day one, but his actions have certainly opened him up to more blows. You can’t go .500 v. SEC teams and act like all is well, or say JJ is the best we have, when “we know better”.
But the fact remains, Luck is bullshit over a period of years – a few plays maybe, perhaps even a whole game, but not a season or years. 2007 was not luck, it was a highly motivated team. I give him a pass for 2008 b/c RP really F’d us. 2009 he fixed one side of the ball and I think he gave Crow a mulligan b/c of the RP factor.
He beat Tressell with even talent with 30 days to prep. Stayed tight with Saban’s top team, beat Urban 3 times, etc., etc. In short, I don’t think we are going to get a better CEO if we change coaches. And a “guru” is a 50/50 shot – see Spurrier, Weis, RichRod, Nebraska, etc.
We are finally getting a grove (via Lee) and it is not insane to think they have a shot at the SEC title if the O continues to find itself.
Start getting pissed they are making fun of us instead of joining them and they will back the F off. (That ESPN segment/suckapunch was just childish, as if done on TiggerDung.com)
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Oct 12, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
VERY well said and entirely true!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Oct 12, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
REC'd!
You can’t go .500 v. SEC teams and act like all is well.
Yes.
"In fact with that article from today that had him real lean and everything, I think I’m going to play him at corner this week in place of Tracy Porter."-Greg Williams in refefernce to Sedrick Ellis
It's pitiful
how the national media seems to mostly ignore individual efforts in LSU games. Like you said they only mention “talent” for the most part. Even when they mention Miles they talk about the miscues, but not his record in 4th qtr comebacks, or games like the one against FL that are more the norm for him. SVP and his guy did talk up Steven Ridley on his show though, and props to Gameday Final for recognizing TT. I’m waiting for the recognition of Drake, Kelvin, Mingo, Big Bark, JL, there are soo many that deserve it. I heard Gotlieb say that journalists (esp. t.v.) show respect by doing there research, well with that said there’s been a tremendous lack there of.
You wanna blow the minds of national pundits?
Jarrett Lee in his “pick 6” year had MORE 4th Qtr comebacks than “arguably the greatest college football player ever,” Tim Tebow, had in his entire career. Tebow had 2 in his career, Lee had 4 in his “awful” year, although to be fair one of the “comebacks” was the Bama game that we lost in OT. So it’s maybe 3 1/2…. still more than Tebow.
I guarantee you there aren’t many national pundits that have done “research” on this. By research do they mean the cliff’s notes-like fact sheet they get spoonfed every week?
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 11, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Confusion, sir,
and don’t make me out to be a hater, because I’m happy to see Lee succeed. I remember the Troy comeback (which is something we probably shouldn’t brag about), and you stated the Bama (half) comeback, but to what two others do you refer?
I have to say if this game winds up being a microcosim of his career
He may wind up being the most legendary player of all Time.
In on early injury to Hatch, first drive nervous inexperienced pass to the flat and Pick-6 A-thon is born.
In an out of the game early, struggled mightily, came back in second half against the odds, looked like Joe (General Lee) Montana and leads an inspired team to victory.
Parallel to career – unexpectedly called into action way too soon, struggled mightily (even in 2009 opportunities) yet flashed brilliance at times but utter disaster to follow.
Then after some time to collect himself he comes into second (third actually) chance and looks like Joe Montana or General Lee as he is now known!
If he lives up to that potential it really would be a great movie!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Lee's pick 6 habit...
was a once-in-a-century type of statistical anomaly (forgive the generalization). Lee still has the potential to be a very decent college QB.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 11, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
was a once-in-a-century type of statistical anomaly
You might be right. I hope you are.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
Statistical anomoly
While the picks were largely his fault, the fact they kept going for 6 was largely on his receivers (particularly Byrd), who displayed tackling ability that could be charitably described as “disinterested”. His teammates absolutely threw him under the bus.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
Excellent point.
Byrd really really p1ssed me off by season’s end. I sat high up for the Ole Miss game that year & watched Byrd practicall every play after the rumors of attitude problems. Byrd dogged it practically every play against Ole Miss that year.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 12, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
A coach letting a player dog it
is inexcusable. Where was Crowton?
Did you somehow think I was indicating otherwise? (About his potential that is)
The statistical anomaly was caused by his inexperience, quick trigger and inability to look past his first option.
It seems those issues are dramatically improved.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Oh, no...
I was speaking in general, not necessarily to you, even though I was responding to you.
Sometimes when I post I’m answering/continuing debates rhetorically I’ve had with people in the past. JL got a bad rep & actually did well overall, all things considered, considering he was thrown to the wolves after Perilloux’s dismissal.
And agreed, I can’t help but imagine being thrown in there after Perilloux that he felt, like all young QBs, that he needed to take a team on his shoulders & make plays rather than just take the plays that are there. Although to be fair, the pick 6 against Auburn on the screen pass was so awful I think invoked Josh Booty and/or Jamie Howard’s name in colorful terms on that one…
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 12, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
South Carolina
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 11, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to be Debbie Downer
and I apologize if I am looking back at the box scores wrongly, but I thought we were tied after 3 quarters at USC, and ahead after 3 on the Plains.
Again, I don’t want to sound like I’m down on Lee, I’m happy to see him up off the canvas and swinging.
Yes.
You are looking back incorrectly.
You can be ahead after 3 all you want, however, if the other team takers the lead in the 4th Qtr, as South Carolina did, you actually have to score again to take the lead. This isn’t the old CBA where you got points for winning quarters.
Sorry to be a sarcastic ass but trust me, I’ve researched this.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 11, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No need for an apology (from you).
Accept mine. I simply had the wrong perspective on that.
I thought my evening meal tasted kind of funny, but I had no idea it was killing more brain cells than the beer.
by artiger on Oct 12, 2010 7:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's cool, man
ANd I just simply brought up the point initially as a statistic that I GUARANTEE you talking heads of the likes of ESPN would say you’re insane, crazy or just flat out wrong about it.
Especially when JL’s year was used against with the pick 6s when overall statitiscally he had a better frosh year than Fat Girl at Georgia did….. Sorry, “Fat Girl” was our moniker for Matthew Stafford in my office.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 12, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
/expresses appreciation for headslap, and requests another
I have to admit I was surprised at the comeback thing, even though I watched three of those games, and was getting text alerts on the USC game. You’d think I would remember better, so I sure as hell won’t be looking for anyone on the screen to bring it up.
Also not trying to hate...
But let’s be honest, not many times in Tim Tebow’s career was his team ever down at all, let alone the 4th quarter.
Not taking anything away from Lee…what a magnificent feather for his cap after what must have been for him a brutal daily life just being an LSU student in 2008.
by GeauxTigers on Oct 11, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The point is...
that you can create any story you want by cherry picking facts. Like last week- “LSU’s offense is clueless.” Even though UF only averaged 13 YPG more in total offense.
And I use the 4th Qtr comebacks stat b/c that’s a stat journos love to bring up. As the new media meme is LSU has clock issues, I think it’s relevant since Miles has something like 19 4th Qtr comeback wins in his career now & Urban Meyer & Tebow’s records (I chose them b/c their media darlings) are not very good.
Les is supposed to be a buffoon I would offer as evidence with 19 or whatever the # is now 4th Qtr comebacks that he’s actually the opposite of what ppl. claim- a very good pressure situation coach.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 11, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
he’s actually the opposite of what ppl. claim- a very good pressure situation coach.
On this point you are soooooooooooooo right it hurts.
You can blast Les all you want about the TWO (and that’s all there really are) ‘clock’ meltdowns but on the whole his record for bringing the team through when the chips are down is impeccable!!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
JRLZ
I think part of the issue is that you hold your feelings in. You should really open up, let us know how you feel about things.
For instance what’s your thought on ESPN, CBS and just about every mainstream football blog out there?
Good read, and agreed the mainstream media is pretty pathetic.
Geaux Tigers!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
I dearly wish I could continue to be here and respond to comments
but I have two midterms tomorrow, and I really need to study. Coincidentally, tomorrow is also my birthday, and these two midterms are probably going to be my only presents. The joys of turning 22.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
Twenty Two!!!
I’ve got ties that old. Happy Birthday from Charles with a C. At 22 I was living in a dorm room in Tiger Stadium. Some of the best days of my life.
When did they close up those dorms?
"In fact with that article from today that had him real lean and everything, I think I’m going to play him at corner this week in place of Tracy Porter."-Greg Williams in refefernce to Sedrick Ellis
Tired of hearing each week how lucky Miles is...
consistently being lucky is not luck, it’s talent.
Happy B Day
and thanks for an outstanding write up.
I listened to your game on the radio
as I was driving back home from the WVU game. I am damn glad my Mountaineers were able to stay within 6 points of y’all at Death Valley. Your D is something ’specially fierce. Best of luck to you with the rest of your season.
"Heaven knows I like the taste of danger most of all" ~ Jonatha Brooke
thank you, thank you
"In fact with that article from today that had him real lean and everything, I think I’m going to play him at corner this week in place of Tracy Porter."-Greg Williams in refefernce to Sedrick Ellis
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