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Upon Further Review: The Tennessee Game

Forgive me for making a broad generalization, but after perusing LSU message boards the last couple of days, is it bad for me to label many of you a bunch of Jessie Spano's? Ok, so not the brilliant, regular readers of ATVS, but all those other assclowns that cannot seem to have any response to Saturday other than "FIREZZZZ LES MILEZZZZZ!!!!"

Look, even I can admit I am not always the biggest Les Miles fan. I don't think he's god's gift to coaching or even among the best ten coaches in the nation. But until someone can give substantial evidence as to how a man can win 80% of his games because of another coach and luck, I'll continue to believe. Call me a delusional optimist or whatever, but I see no reason to believe Les Miles is the dumbest, worst coach to ever grace Baton Rouge. Believe it or not, there's a lot more to coaching than simply showing up and letting your talent win for you.

 

 

 

 

 

So go away, all you cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed, sacks of monkey shit... Hallelujah! HOLY SHIT! Where's the Tylenol?

Star-divide

*wipes brow*

Okay, glad I got that out of my system. Now let's talk some football.

THE GAME:

FULL SCREEN VERSION

We continue to be able to run the football on every opponent in sight. Is it possible that in all our Zod-ur-bating we overlooked our true Heisman candidate, Stevan Ridley? Okay, Ridley has almost zero chance at the Heisman realistically, but if I had a vote, this kid is team MVP. Why? Well, we have my strong defensive players contributing to an outstanding unit. But on offense the one constant through four games? Mr. Stevan Ridley. If Finding Nemo could be in any way a menacing reference, I would drop it here. "Just keep swimming... just keep swimming." Can I start calling him the Piston? His legs never seem to stop churning. Thank you, Mr. Ridley. You've been a joy to watch this season.

Did we... could it be... have we... maybe... found a passing game? Somehow on Saturday we finally proved we are actually capable of completing a forward pass? Kidding aside, Jarrett Lee definitely brought the passing game to life. There's no denying that he takes that element of our game to another level and should be the starting QB from here on out (I think?).

Losing Sam Montgomery is killer. However, last year, losing a player of Sam's would have meant the end of good defense for LSU. This year, it just hurts our depth. Sam was probably our most complete end, and a tremendous run stopper. The block on him wasn't dirty. It was just unfortunate. However, if you haven't been paying attention, that guy everyone said was "too skinny" to play every down yatta yatta yatta has been an absolute menace in the past few weeks. Yeah, Barkevious Mingo. Keep your eye on him. WVU triple-teamed him once. Tennessee didn't know what to do with him. This kid could be scary good...

Tennessee didn't do much on offense all day. 37 of their 217 total yards came on one, well-defended play. I keep seeing people saying we don't have a defense "as good as Alabama." I think they are crazy. The only worrisome detail from the game is that Tauren Poole ran it pretty well against our front. Honestly, upon re-watching, he manufactured most of it himself. Twice they hit us with good play calls, and that's just going to happen from time to time. Poole ran tough and hard... if I had helmet sticker to give to an opponent, I'd give him one.

5 opponents. None of them can block Drake Nevis. Nevis 5. Opponents 0.

WR play was much higher in this one. JJ must throw a highly un-catchable ball. On one play, he rolled out and threw a great pass (in terms of it hit TT right where it should, though a bit wobbly), and TT dropped it. It's the only drop I can remember all day. It would have been a first down too. Unfortunate for JJ, but his ball must be tough to hang on to.

Speaking of unfortunate for JJ... we threw routes with Lee we NEVER threw with JJ. Is that because he can't throw it? Lee's first few throws were simple passes parallel to the L.O.S. that got the ball to the WRs and let them make a move in space. Could we not have done this with JJ to let him get comfortable? I guess he really struggled to throw those "routes"...

I keep seeing people say... "We don't win that game Saturday without Jarrett Lee." Well I agree. But we also don't win that game without Jordan Jefferson. You know, the guy who rushed for 100 yards? The guy who was on the field for both TDs we scored? Look, I know Lee did the work on that last drive. But the fact is... we need both these guys to win. Neither one of them is good enough to carry this team on their own. I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but for the first time I can remember, I'm semi-advocating a two-QB system. Except, I want JJ to play a role similar to RP in 2007. He gives us something in the running game, and that should not be ignored.

Brandon Taylor is the unsung hero of our defense. I see a ton of praise for Peterson, Sheppard, Nevis and the like. But Taylor does soooo much for our defense. *stands up and claps for BT15*

THE SCORES:

1) From the look of it, we wanted to start the game safe. We came out in our two TE set, that I've only seen us run inside the red zone to date. JJ ran the zone/read option that he runs so well, the left side of the line opened a nice hole and he did the rest of the work. His stutter step froze Louisiana-native Prentiss Waggner in his tracks and because of the way they stuffed the box, JJ was off to the races. He flashed better speed than I suspect many believed he had.

2) Well, not much to say about this. Chris Faulk was in as an extra tackle and after completely dominating his man on the failed JJ option keeper, he completely came off his block on this one. This was a run made entirely by Ridley. Besides the fact that he jump-cut away from Reveiz (who played a helluva game by the way), he then took on Faulk's unmanned guy and drove himself into the end zone. MVP! MVP! MVP! His ass better have gotten a game ball.

THE GUYS:

Offense:

Lee: Well, let's start here. Lee played an up and down game. I'm impressed with him for the intangibles he seemed to exhibit on the field. He played with a take-charge mentality and emotion. I'm not big on judging body language and all that jazz, but Lee looked like a QB out there (whereas JJ really hasn't this season).

Made a great throw on the 47-yarder to Randle. Stood in the pocket, stepped into and laid it in there nicely. It was slightly underthrown... but not horribly so. Yet, he followed that up with a pick. The pick was entirely his fault... awful throw. Except, the play call was horrible as well. The design of the play was nice, but in that situation, it just wasn't appropriate (Crowton seems to have no concept of situational playcalling).Also made a poor throw on a drive where we ended up missing a FG. Had a wide open Randle on at the 8... he's probably hit that throw 1,000 times in practice, but he just floated it

Took a bad delay of game on the final drive. We just can't have that. He seemed upset with himself, at least. Watching the replay, I didn't think the "illegal forward pass" where he passed the L.O.S. was the correct call. The grounding was also questionable.

Overall, he stood up and made some tough throws on that final drive. He showed "moxie." Go to the 7:05 mark on this video. I can't exactly make out his words, but it does look a lot like he's chiding the coaching staff saying... "Run the ball!" That's the kind of edge I think everyone wants to see.

JJ: Well, the opening play was nice. After that, it was mostly downhill. He finished out with 100 yards rushing, which is nice. Both of his interceptions were entirely his fault. The first is a mistake I've seen 1,000 QBs make, even the best. He got baited by Janzen Jackson (even Steve Beuerlein proclaimed... "He's got him wide open..." only to later chastize JJ), and threw it into over the top coverage. On the 2nd one... I really don't know what to say. Just a horrendous throw. He either sailed it on Peterson or short armed it to Randle. I'll let you decide. All that being said, I hope he keeps a roll as a running QB, because I think that gives our offense a little something different.

Ridley (Piston): What else can you say about this guy? He comes to work every day. He turns negative plays into positive ones. He's been our MVP. He's leading the SEC in rushing. He's [insert positive statement here].

Murph: Eh. Not a great game. I keep seeing people asking why Murphy plays... Well, he's our best blocker. That's about all I can see. Had one catch that he didn't do anything with. Also dropped a toss sweep that turned into a 15-yard loss on what could have been a four-yard gain. Killed a drive. May put him in the dog house.

Ware: Had a really nice catch early, but never got to touch the ball again. All this kid has done is good things when he gets in... if we're gonna burn the redshirt and continue to hunt for a back to relieve Ridley...why not give him a go?

Ford: I thought the Earth might burst apart when I saw him running, but it did, in fact, remain together. Looked good on his first carry cutting it up the field and picking up six. Second carry he didn't have a chance.

Blue: I think I saw him in a time or two. He didn't get any carries. Laid a nice block on one of PP's returns.

Stamp: Got a couple tremendous blocks on a few of Ridley's left side runs. Stamp is a mystery to me. When he hits people... he knocks them silly. But he tends to whiff quite a bit. He seems to keep improving by the game, however.

TT: Finished with three catches for 52 yards. Did a nice job at settling into the hole in the zone on the 4th and 13 we converted on last drive.Nice block on early Randle catch.

RR: Made the big 46 yard catch. Laid a great block to spring Shep for a nice 9-yard catch and run. He's so sneaky quick. Made a nice grab and just danced his way up the field for his first catch. Moves very well for a big man. Owned Teague and drew a PI on the final drive. Missed when wide open down near the goal line.

Shep: Finished with two rushes for 12 yards and three catches for 26 yards. Shep isn't ready to be a down the field receiver yet, but he's dangerous if you just get him the ball in the open field. Throw it to him short and let him do some damage. Made a really nice block on a Ridley run... best I've seen of him yet.

D-LO: Finished with five catches for 45 yards. Made a crucial fumble inside the 30 that killed our chance for points. Not a smart play. D-LO is still working his way into rhythm, but he looked pretty good. He laid a few nice blocks, but missed on some others. Great block on JJ's TD run. I'd like to see him play "stronger." The play where Lee got called for intentional grounding, I'm pretty sure was designed to him, but he got easily pushed off his route and just sorta got lost in the pile. He needs to exert his strength consistently. He's not always the most aggressive player.

Clement: Got wide open on one play, not seen by JJ. Mostly quiet.

Bark: I've seen a lot of people complaining about him lately. Okay, the penalties are annoying, but if you aren't watching, he's been dominating. We pretty much ran off the left side all day long due to the fact that he was blowing his man off the ball. Very good game. Never challenged in pass pro. Dominant in run blocking. If he gets the recent penalty trouble out of the way, he's playing at an All-American type level.

Josh D.: Solid game. Completely blown up on one pass play. Didn't sink his hips and anchor. Caused Lee to have to get rid of a pass early. Otherwise, did well in run blocking. He's not a powerful drive blocker, but he's athletic and gets to the next level better than just about anybody else on the team.

PJ: Up and down game. PJ's been very good this year, and the staff really trusts him. He's asked to do a lot of reach blocking, which takes some real athleticism. He missed a few blocks this game. Sometimes looked excellent, other times struggled.

T-Bob: Decent game. Like Josh D... he's not exactly a powerful blocker, but he wins on craftiness and effort. Does a really good job of getting to the second level and taking out his man. Of course made the "snap that saved the game."

Hurst: Honestly, if the play isn't to a lineman's side, I tend not to watch them as much. We ran left almost every time this game, so I didn't notice Hurst much. Did provide really good pass pro on several plays. Kept a very talented end, Chris Walker, quiet all day. So he must have been doing something right. I read somewhere he was credited with 10 knock down blocks and played every snap. That's a pretty good day.

Williford: Every time I looked up, T-Bob was in the game. He started, but I hardly noticed him good or bad.

Faulk: Came in on that final series as a TE or extra blocker. On the JJ option, he completely destroyed his man and buried him in the end zone. On the game-winning play he fell off his block and landed on the ground. So one great play, one not so great play.

Defense:

Sam: sad face emoticon

Cookie Monster: As I stated above, no one has figured out how to block this guy yet. Double teams aren't sufficient. He's playing at an extremely high level right now. Blows through blockers. We actually move him around quite a bit, which is interesting. Credited with only four tackles, but could routinely be seen in the backfield disrupting plays.

Pep: After a nice week this week, didn't show as well this week. Nothing spectacular about his play, but he did eat blocks well. Got in the backfield on one play but missed the tackle. Quiet day.

Brockers: Boy oh boy. This guy is probably the best "backup" DT in the SEC. At one point he completely blew up a double team and disrupted a play. The next play, he bullrushed up the middle and landed a huge hit on Simms. Went to the ground on another play, but he's such a strong force with surprising quickness in the middle.

Mingo: Facemask penalty was an honest mistake, just like last week. Speed rushed by to record a sack and deliver a huge shot on Simms. This guy is borderline unblockable at times. I know people continue to worry about his weight and whether or not he "can play every down" but I'm telling you, he really battles. Finished with 1.5 sacks and three tackles. He flashes some pass rush moves. His speed catches OL off guard... he just blows by people at times. He's not the strongest at the point of attack, but when he comes off low he uses his hands to separate and can string out plays. He's got five sacks now. I'll take one a game, thank you. Great game.

Edwards: Recorded a sack on a pure speed rush. Played discipline in the run game. Made an EXCELLENT play on the key 4th and 1 stop in the game. Crashed down the end, got underneath the fullback and delivered the first blow which was later cleaned up by KShepp and Taylor. Diagnosed a rollout well, tipped the pass which almost lead to an interception. Edwards isn't Sam, but he's a very solid end.

Ag: Best game I've seen him play for us. Played a lot with Adams on the shelf. Finished with three tackles. Recorded a TFL on a running play where he stunted inside and blew up Poole. Stunt was the perfect call, but Ag showed a burst and quickness I haven't seen from him. Very nice game.

Downs: Played some snaps, but nothing notable. Was in on the 4th and 1 play.

KShepp: Easily his worst game of the season. Routinely caught in traffic all day. Over ran a play on Poole that turned into an 11-yard gain. UT paid a lot of attention to blocking him up. Still recorded a sack and seven tackles. Was caught in the trash a lot... he usually does a good job of getting out of it and making the tackle.

Baker: Poor coverage on Stocker lead to a first down for Tennessee. Simms threw it well off his back foot but Baker was out of position, so it was an easy pitch and catch. Recorded a big sack on a well designed blitz. Did a good job of applying pressure on some blitzes. Only finished with two tackles.

Francois: Quiet game. Finished with four tackles, but I think three are pile-ons. Nothing notable.

Zod: Quiet game. Made a poor decision fielding a punt that he let drop. He dribbled it around in the backfield and was fortunate to be able to pick it up and pick up a couple yards. Got juked horribly by Poole and lost contain on the play that ended up putting Tennessee at the three. That's the play that cost us points on that drive, as it was a third down... not the big pass play that set up the drive.

Mathieu: His worst game thus far. Beat on the long play to Hunter, but his coverage was good. Missed a tackle that would have been a short gainer instead turned into an 11 or 12 yarder. He got beat by Jones (who is a very good receiver) a couple times. May not have ended up with a big play, but still remained a force as a blitzer.

Claiborne: Great block to spring early PP punt return. They seemed to stay away from our corners. That's a compliment. Almost got a pick six on a bad throw created by Nevis pressure.

Loston: Dropped the easy interception. Unfortunately, that was his only memorable play.

Hatcher: Not a great game. Came up in run support. Tackled Poole man up early in the game... impressive. Missed some tackles as well.

Jai: Nothing notable.

BT15: I've said it before, but this is our "Eraser." BT15 diagnoses plays in a hurries and crashes down extremely well. This game he broke up a pass in the end zone that nearly ended up a pick... excellent play. They ran a pick on the goal line trying to get Jones off of Peterson, but Taylor read it perfect and burst forward to break it up. He crashed down and tackled Poole on another play.

Graff: Another ST tackle. That's a weekly occurrence for him.

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Hopefully, Sam makes a quick recovery

He has been a force, and he will be greatly missed.

The great news is we won the game with 4, yes 4 turnovers, with the other team having 0. As anyone will tell you, you cannot win a game with a -4 turnover margin. Guess what, we did.

Four out of 10 total possessions ended up in turnovers. I am not even talking about the penalites. I think TN only had 2 before they inserted thier hybrid goaline dime package.

So we basically turned the ball over for half of our possessions. The defense is so badass that only 14 points were recorded against them. That is a damn strong football team!

Laissez les bon temps rouler

by TigerStor on Oct 5, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah well...
Ok, so not the brilliant, regular readers of ATVS, but all those other assclowns that cannot seem to have any response to Saturday other than “FIREZZZZ LES MILEZZZZZ!!!!”

This is where the LSU nerds hang. I know that several posters here have advanced degrees, including (I think) three J.D.s and at least one Ph.D. I don’t care if this comes off as elitist or not — this is where the thinking LSU fans come.

I don’t even bother with the idiocy of other places (Dandy Don excepted).

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 6, 2010 12:00 AM CDT reply actions  

now that I've had time to dry out from Saturday

Reading Dandy Don this AM, he pointed out that we’ve got some really good things going for us (obvs all on the defensive side of the ball and Ridley), but that reminded me that we’ve shown offensive improvement in each game we’ve played in, except WVU wherein our D/ST played exceptionally well (and which I am otherwise going to ignore because it screws up my argument).

This past week, the passing game suddenly awoke (even if JL did make some poor decisions) and the running game continues to get better so we’ve got things to build on. Thus THE SEASON IS NOT LOST! we are 5-0 and just need to get all three phases in sync to be a really good team.

I am not a Miles fan and have made that known repeatedly but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let the nat’l media or the rantards control the narrative of the season for me. eff those people in their ears. Let’s not forget that we were picked to finish 4th in the West so, apparently, Miles has us playing well above our heads. Plus, all this negativity is sucking the life out of me.

by haveagreatday on Oct 6, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dandy Don

Much respect for the Dandy one, but he’s hardly Mr. Sunshine either. He’s been very critical of the team, though I think his criticisms have been completely fair. It’s nice to see him pointing out positives because he’s not one to withhold pointing out negatives either.

And you’re right, negativity is exhausting. Being positive is fun, though it comes with the risk of being disappointed.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!

by Poseur on Oct 6, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just sometimes wonder

Why so many fans jump to “fire the coach” after every loss — and every fan base does it but it’s pretty much the go to response for LSU fans. And not just in football.

I heard people who wanted Paul Mainieri out after his first season. Softball losses in the tournament and suddenly everybody pretends they care enough about it to fire Yvette Girourard. Hell, when the track national championships passed this year and LSU didn’t win, people started calling for Dennis Shaver’s head. The only time you EVER see any word about the latter 2 on a message board, and it’s people saying they have to be fired.

It’s a problem.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Lee, just pointing out that you didn’t mention ( or at least I didn’t notice it ) his “what the hell are you doing” floating of the ball off his back foot into the middle of the field and his other possible pick that could have been …bad… Plus, the illegal forward pass was easy to call – I even called it live – he was 2+ yards past the LoS.

On JJ, I’m not so sure the 2nd INT was his fault. It looked like DLo was going to run a skinny post / inside seam with his release and sudden turn, but then he stops. JJ throws the ball to where he would have been if DLo did run that route. Who was wrong? We’ll never know.

by Xanathol on Oct 6, 2010 12:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Illegal forward pass...

I thought his foot was still on the line. Live, I agree, he looked way past, but when I rewatched, I thought it was questionable.

The off-the-back-foot punt-pass was dreadful.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arm-punts

are très chic.

And it saves time that would have gone to getting the punt team on the field. Win-win.

[Expectations crash][Send error report to AD][Ctrl+Alt+Delete][Reboot in delusion-mode]

by Mikeno on Oct 6, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just rewatched the arm punt 3 times

That was cringeworthy. There was pressure coming free, but the nearest Tennessee rusher was still 3 yards away. He panicked and threw it falling backwards.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

We will need both QBs regardless of injury--JJ adds the running element to the...

offense when in there and JLee can throw it down field better and neither will take the lead as the solid starter at this point I think—crowd seemed to be better this week and we need to support whoever is in there. I loved how Lee showed a lot of emotion in the game—he has a lot of character and showed a lot of mental toughness in the game factoring in his history. Good to see Ag, Edwards, and Mingo stepping up big as they need to continue. As far as what you said about those people flying off the handle at the end of the game about fire Miles or whatever, well said—I got it out of my system as well just by reading it.

by mjtig on Oct 6, 2010 1:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I just wanted to say

that is is a really good post.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 6, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That said, Les Miles is still fucking insane.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 6, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's why he said fucking insane

It absolutely needs the modifier to quantify the scale.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the thing about insane...

you don’t get to pick. Ole Miss one year, Tennessee the next.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

True....

I hate that part of insane.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

and did I mention that he shits horseshoes and pisses four-leaf clovers?

by andyj on Oct 6, 2010 5:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Enjoyed your comments Paul

I like Les. I just can’t help myself. I think maybe I come to his defense because of all the attacks. He’s a winner almost 80 percent of the time. He has integrity and a clean program. Some say that’s not enough. Did I already say he wins nearly 80 percent of the time? Sure talent wins some battles and we have plenty but some of it has got to be coaching. Did I already say we win almost 80 percent of the time? How old are the people that want him gone? Do they remember some of our previous coaching experiences? I do. Do I agree with everything Miles does? Of course not but somehow
almost 80 percent of the time, he wins. I can’t even understand what Miles says sometimes and half the time he’s blowing smoke and not even answering the questions asked. He works his way around it and I just laugh. Maybe he’s not as “dumb” as some think he is.
There are issues for sure but every game is different. I looked at some other games this weekend and I can tell you a lot of other coaches made some pretty big mistakes too. AND quite a few of them lost because of poor play calling, etc. Miles is far from perfect and I question the play calling just as most of you do but what I’m saying is it takes all the elements. We need coaching, talent and luck. We have all of that. Can it get better? Sure it can! Can it get worse? Trust me, it’s been much worse than it is right now.

One more thing and I’ll shut up and you can rip on me if you need to. Football, like everything else in life is cyclic. I know you all remember USC, Miami, Texas, etc. All good programs whether you want to admit that or not. I don’t need to go in to any detail because this board has enough intelligence on it to figure out what I’m saying. We can’t win ‘em all. The law of averages says we won’t.
Hopefully as the season plays out we won’t have to have major coaching changes. If we do then so be it. Time will tell. Enjoy the game Sat. I’m having a party and serving over-stuffed shrimp poboys,
coleslaw, potato salad, fries and O-rings. Wish I could afford to have you all there and hopefully celebrate a victory in the Swamp!

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 7:53 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Wish I could come...

The cyclical nature of the power structure in college football is truly interesting.

People have no patience any more. And they jump to conclusions. If LSU doesn’t win 10 games every year, it must be the coach! Right? I mean, a good coach wins 10 every year!

Just as andyj pointed out above, Osborne, Bear Bryant went through their own struggles. I’m not saying Miles is that kinda legend… but were those guys “that kinda legend” at that point in their careers?

Patience is often rewarded.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed Paul

And it’s seems a lot of Tiger fans sometimes have very little…..

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Les in a legend in a completely different way...

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 6, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

*is a legend

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 6, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Les too...

and can help rooting for him and defending him, when possible. Unfortunately, too many zany things continuously happen under his watch to absolve him from responsibility. But I hope he rallies and silences the naysayers.

The two QB system is clearly our best bet this season.

Our defense is equipped to handle most any team this year, but not sure how our DL will match up against Alabama and their power running game.

We have a chance against FL next week… but they will be the toughest defense we’ve faced yet. Hope Ridley gets a lot of carries and Lee keeps his composure.

by SeaTiger on Oct 6, 2010 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Two QB system

I have to agree here SeaTiger. I don’t like this system but under the circumstances I believe we have to go this route. I’ve kept quiet for the most part and don’t want to bash our QB’s. I’m just of the opinion that they are struggling and continue to struggle be it coaching, a lack of ability or a combination thereof. I believe this will give us the best chance to win games right now. Hopefully the coaching will allow this to be successful.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

One QB with a real system!

I’m sorry, but one good run does not justify a dual-QB system. In functional dual QB systems you have an excellent runner to spell a solid passer. JJ is not an excellent runner…far from it. Good kid, and LSU owes him a debt of gratitude for keeping the ship moving through some rough water, but not a threat at QB.

DCs know he will not throw beyond 5 yrds, so why not just use a skilled runner in the wild-cat. For example, Alabama does not use another QB, they use Ingram. I think we are using a dual QB rotation just to keep JJ’s ego intact. (He thinks he had a good game! WHAT?) But we have all seen the Aaron Brooks system before. Keeping a role just to keep him together is not a good move.

Lee needs time to grow, but he makes the team function. They look like an offense. With JJ, there is something big missing, some fluidity to things that just is not there. Fits and starts is not an offensive personality. Time to ride the pine after valiant effort.

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Oct 6, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lee needs time to grow

Lee’s had plenty of time to grow and he still makes the same mistakes — which means we need both to make it work. It has nothing to do with JJ’s ego.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Billy: How many live reps has Lee been given this season?

A handful before the Tenn game, that’s it. The errors he made were to be expected from just about ANY QB in his situation.

I mean, Crowton sent him in on 3rd and 23 for Godsake!

Crowton had him throwing into the endzone on 1st and goal in what had to be a pin-point pass to succeed.

Crowton yanked him after converting 3rd downs and a 4th & long on the most important drive of the season, only to be replaced by the worst QB in FBS.

We DON’T need both QB’s to make it work. We need to stick with our best (by far) QB, get him as many live reps as possible, and he’ll only get better. By season’s end, who knows how good he can become? JJ is going in the opposite direction in all kinds of ways; cut off the dead weight now, it’s only holding the team down.

Lee needs to start and stay in and it needs to happen now.

ps- how’d that co-defensive coordinator thing work out?

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee still made

The exact same mistakes he was making in 2008, 2009 and even in the spring game. He still exacts the same way under pressure. That is a PROBLEM. An offense that moves the ball better but turns it over doesn’t give you any more points than one that holds on to the ball but can’t move it — we saw this happen on Saturday.

He seems to do a better job when he sits for a few plays (or a series). Maybe he needs to calm down, maybe getting a different look at the defense helps. But either way he hasn’t, at this time, shown he can handle the load by himself. Maybe that will change, but I’m not willing to risk losing games to find out. I’m all for letting Lee start, and letting him have every opportunity. But until he shows otherwise, JJ’s still necessary for this team. Please avoid the stupid hyperbole.

And for the record, this:

ps- how’d that co-defensive coordinator thing work out?

Completely irrelevant to the discussion. Not even sure why you said it.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because we're talking about QB's

And you brought up a totally different side of the ball.

There are plenty of instances of Co-Coordinators working. Just because Maleveto was a total disaster doesn’t mean not unprecedented in the least.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

JJ is 111th out of 112 QB's in FBS

He’s “necessary for this team”?lol

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Until Lee shows

He won’t make the same mistakes under pressure, yes.

It’s not that hard to understand.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy, my point is:

Lee has to be given the time and confidence the coaches have showered upon JJ — otherwise, you will be correct: He will make mistakes. Lee has a huge upside, and if you keep yanking him for JJ on whims, that potential will never be realized. I say make Lee the Man and bench JJ unless Lee gets hurt. This where we will have to agree to disagree, my friend. I’ll be glad as hell (and will give you major props) if you turn out to be right and I wrong, as long as we keep winning games!

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee has been given the time and confidence

Where were you in 2008? He had to get hurt for Jefferson to take his job.

I don’t think you understand how a QB rotation works. We’re not advocating yanking them back and forth for no apparent reason. I didn’t even care for the 1 series/1 series rotation LSU used on Saturday. QB rotations have to be fluid and you have to stick with a hot hand when it’s in. Nobody is advocating rotating them for rotation’s sake. I’m all for starting Lee…and the second he gets skittish, let him sit for a series and get back in. So long as he knows he’s going to get back in, he’ll be fine in the confidence department.

He hasn’t proven he can handle more than that.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or just sit for a few plays

It doesn’t have to even be a whole series.

But in the past, it’s shown some benefit for him.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah - Lee was given lots of time in 08

as a FRESHMAN. With an OC that constantly had him doing the stuff he struggled at.

Now he’s a junior – and sure, he’s making some of the same mistakes- but he’s hardly had any game time (and presumably practice time with the #1 squad) to adjust.

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that's just it

He made them as a freshman. Then as a sophomore (when he got in). Then in the spring game, and then last week.

He still did enough good to deserve playing time, but until he shows he can handle things by himself, we need a cooler on standby.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy

I don’t entirely disagree with you. JJ should play some. I guess it’s a question of degree – and it’s kinda of a moot point, since neither of us has any say in the final decision. If I were to chart it out though – I’d say

Lee should get 80% of the snaps
JJ should get 10%
and 10 % should be wildcat

regardless – on 65% of the snaps for Lee and 50% for JJ the ball should be handed off to one of our RBs.

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it needs to be a hard percent

Or rotation. You have to be flexible.

Which could mean, if Lee is playing well, that he’ll wind up getting that 80%. But you don’t want to be in a situation where one player leads a TD drive and you take him out immediately because “it’s the rotation.” You also don’t want to create a situation where either guy is deathly afraid of making a mistake.

You kind of have to feel it out.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

i meant to say that i was just estimating. Definitely don’t want them to chart out the offense pregame and stick with it regardless of how they are playing

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy - what you're missing is that

the offense against UT moved the ball when Lee was in and turned it over when JJ was in. 4 turnovers – only one when Lee was QB. So the choice right now isn’t between an offense that moves, but turns it over, and one that doesn’t move, and holds on to the ball.

It’s between an offense that moves, and sometimes turns it over, and an offense that doesn’t move, and frequently turns it over.

I think Lee should start and play the vast majority of snaps. If he struggles, put JJ for a drive or two. Don’t alternative every drive anymore and don’t stick lee in on third and forever during a JJ drive. If we want a running QB, leave Lee in and put Ridley, Ford, RS, Randle Ware or any # of players in the wildcat. Shoot, have RS throw to Lee if you want. DOn’t put JJ in just to run – he’s about the 15th best runner on the team.

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

So now we're blaming JJ for completing a pass

to DLO and not running down to prevent him from trying to stretch 5 yards for a first down. JJ’s interceptions were terrible, but let’s not start blaming him for things he had absolutely no control over.

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't Bengal - read the post

I was just saying that of the 4 turnovers – only one was Lee’s fault and even that one was:

1) A TERRIBLE play call (should have been a run, and if not a run, should have been a tall receiver, not Ridley, in the endzone) and
2) almost the right pass

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, chalk it up to my reading skills

I thought you were blaming JJ for 3 turnovers.

We agree completely on your point about the play call. As for the pass though, it should have been overthrown, not underthrown. Or not thrown at all since the db had inside position.

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

no problem

and i agree about the pass. He didn’t throw it hard enough. But even with his throw – if it had been a receiver – rather than a RB – it might have at least been broken up.

Bottom line – close game – decent drive – we should have run the ball and at worst kicked a field goal.

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

We pretty much agree

On this:

I think Lee should start and play the vast majority of snaps. If he struggles, put JJ for a drive or two. Don’t alternative every drive anymore and don’t stick lee in on third and forever during a JJ drive. If we want a running QB, leave Lee in and put Ridley, Ford, RS, Randle Ware or any # of players in the wildcat. Shoot, have RS throw to Lee if you want. DOn’t put JJ in just to run – he’s about the 15th best runner on the team.

The Lee playing is a pretty unanimous opinion. But until he shows he’s over those bouts of skittishness, another QB needs to be handy.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

And someone on TD just posted today

The offense actually gained more yards with JJ in than with JL in.

Yards per play with JJ: 6.97 yards per play
Yards per play with Lee: 5.32 yards per play

To quote Harry Nilsson:
“You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear.”

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

that may be - but:

the 83 yard run is an outlier – it did happen though – so you can’t just pull it out

and – 2 or 3 times they brought Lee in on a JJ drive on third and forever – those stats should basically count for JJ. Total coaching fail.

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you take the 83-yarder and the JL 3rd and longs out

JJ’s drive still gained more per play.

That isn’t to say JJ played better, or deserves to start. You just have to look at the entire picture.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

And JL was also

responsible for an intentional grounding and a delay of game penalty. I’m not trying to bash him. I hope he goes lights out against Florida. Just that I didn’t see enough improvement on Saturday to anoint him the full time qb.

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The QB situation is such a socialogical experiment

Whichever side you’re on — JJ, Lee, JJ/Lee — it seems to fall under you either resist change or you embrace it. I happen to think it’s time for a drastic change — give Lee the chance you gave JJ, and keep him in there like you did JJ.

You will be correct when you say JJ hasn’t lost games for us this year, but once he does (as we enter the tough part of the schedule), know that your argument will be nullified and moot from that point on. So what else ya got?

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm thinking long term here

In that we have 6 (mostly tough) ballgames after that. If he throws a pick 6 that loses the game, I can see where that would be a point of contention; otherwise, I say stick with him through thick and thin — I have a great gut feeling about the kid — he just needs to be given the same luxuries the coaches have showered upon JJ. At the end of the day, it comes down to faith, and I don’t think that faith is blind. I think Lee has earned it.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have a point about Lee...

Even with the picks there is something about him. When he goes in the game it’s almost like we have a real spark, that the offense is about to get going. I can’t put my finger on it. Just my opinion. But I like what you’re saying about a gut feeling!

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

it seems to me that we have a situation like

when we had Josh Booty and Rohan Davey.

The offense basically gave up on Booty. He wasn’t terrible, but they quit on him. I think some of the offensive players have quit on JJ. They expect him to throw it short or long or just give up and run for two yards.

Lee comes in and they expect him to throw it downfield.

It may not be fair, but it is what it is.

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing though
The offense basically gave up on Booty. He wasn’t terrible, but they quit on him.

That’s happened with Lee as well.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

the receivers are really frustrated. This is not what they came to LSU for.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep - 2 years ago.

now they’ve given up on JJ and Lee gives them at least some hope. the situation has changed from 2008 man.

by GeauxTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The passing game...

needs to improve. I just don’t want to see them force it. I’ll take a dink and dunk over a pass over the middle off the back foot. No please. Not in the swamp!

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point being....

I don’t want to see other recievers getting discouraged

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you say

But Lee still has more to prove.

That’s all we’re saying.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree....

it just scares me. This is national. We need to fix this soon.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

hurrr..you said "gave up the booty"

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

by mrpelicanpants on Oct 6, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Makes about as much sense as sticking with JJ through thick or thin.

Neither has earned full-time duties this season.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not defending...

one over the other but both playing for the mental reasons that I suggested earlier. Regardless of our opinions it’s going to go this way so it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. That’s not to say I won’t have heart issues by the time the season is over. :-)

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhh
I have a great gut feeling about the kid

Well holy shit! I had no idea! Get Les on the phone — we need to make this change NOW!!!!

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 6, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

/facepalm

Dump the armchair sociology.

We’re advocating a system that directly involves changing quarterbacks. Yeah, real resistant to change there. We just happen to believe Lee hasn’t earned that chance because he hasn’t shown he’s over the bad habits that have plagued him for three years now.

For the record, at no point did I say “JJ hasn’t lost games for us.” What you seem to ignore while JJ has habits that may lose games down the road, so does Lee.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sing along with me:

All I am saaayiiing….
Is GIVE LEE A CHAAANCE….

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

But please, Mr. Crowton: KEEP HIM IN THERE! STICK WITH HIM>

JJ needs to sit until his ass is the warmest place on the bench. It’d do him, and the team, much more good than a third-rate juggling act.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't

Until Lee shows he won’t make the same stupid mistake every time there’s a defender in his face.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto for yourself

The difference is mine is based on more than blind faith.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last 3 times we've seen Lee in extended action are:

La Tech 2009 – and he was awful
Spring Game 2010 – and he was awful
UT game last saturday – and he was average

Average is all this team needs to win. I just don’t think many of us on this site are convinced that Lee will continue to produce at the UT level long term without JJ’s help.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why the double standard?

The argument seem to boil down to “let Lee play if he ‘lays waste’ to the best DB’s we face.” Why? JJ can’t even throw a 12 yrd pass, so why say Lee gets to play if he excels.

I just don’t get it. IMHO, when Lee is in our offense runs like a system. It looks like the other 50 decent teams on TV that day. Not great, but the machine runs. When JJ steps in, it is like someone put water in the gas tank. Fits and starts. No flow, no ease. And JJ is not a running threat…sorry, one 100 yrd run does not make you a threat on every down.

I like JJ. I would have killed a MoFo if I had to hear the crap that kid has. But Lee can win games. JJ can’t. That should be the decision maker, not if Lee can go Drew Brees on Florida. Come on!

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all
The argument seem to boil down to "let Lee play if he ‘lays waste’ to the best DB’s we face."

Not at all — I said Lee is going to have to play much better than he did last week for me to anoint him the kind of offensive savior a lot of people are making him out to be. And that goes just the same for Jefferson. We’re not advocating one over the other, we’re pointing out that until one steps up and plays demonstrably better, LSU needs both.

If anything, people are only seeing the good in Lee, and he did make some good plays and definitely deserves to play MORE this week. But I’m not going to ignore his mistakes and pretend he looked good enough to handle things on his own either.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 7, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me the questions is on any given play who gives you the best chance to gain a 1st down/TD. I say Lee has shown he can hit a WR in stride and throw over 12 yrds, and hand the ball off.

Why are we talking about saviors, and laying waste, and 2008? Who is the better QB, Lee or JJ. I can’t watch this season and see any basis for JJ being a better QB. And yes I read all the above. But 30 yrds, 3/10, 2 Ints – and he thinks he did a good job? I don’t get it.
Let Lee have 90% of the snaps. 10% to Shep. JJ adds nothing to that equation. Sorry JJ, hate to say it.

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Oct 7, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's also shown
I say Lee has shown he can hit a WR in stride and throw over 12 yrds, and hand the ball off.

that he’ll still hurry and make a bad throw under any pressure — and a QB who throws for more yards and commits more turnovers doesn’t represent an actual upgrade.

Lee outplayed Jefferson last week. But he still didn’t play so great as to show he can handle things by himself.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 7, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Offense averaged...

More yard per play with JJ in the game than Lee.

True story.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 7, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about offense median?

(or whatever the term for taking out outlier stats in an average is.) Not that he does not get credit, i just mean that on 99% of the plays, I think JL is more productive. If that is not true, I’d quite down because more yards per play is basically my point, I agree.

What does it really matter I guess, JJ is our starter this week. I just hope it aint 3 and out. I’ll eat crow for a month to get a win, no matter how ugly or who is the QB.

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Oct 7, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the two QB system

is more of a mental move for Lee to be the QB. Removes some pressure as he knows he’ll move in and out of rotation which can help him to relax. No, one run does not justify a dual-QB system but Lee is still a mental mess as is JJ. Let them both play.
If Lee continues to move the offense then I can’t argue with you but one game is not enough with two guys that are inconsistent at this point.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee engineered the game-winning drive

Not only that, but he did it largely with his arm. Far from a mental mess. If anything, JJ is the mental mess.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

After

He threw a stupid back-foot interception that canceled out another scoring drive.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee engineered the GAME-WINNING drive

My faith is not blind, sir. He’s earned the #1 QB spot. Not the #1a, nor the #1b, nor the #2. #1. Period.

Have a nice day!

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not according to the coaches

Or virtually every other commenter on this piece.

You seem to have trouble seeing that. Or Lee’s mistakes.

We’re the ones seeing the whole picture.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see come Saturday who is right

Let’s see how Crowton’s juggling act does. I like my odds betting against Crowton.

But, like I said, if you’re right, I’ll be the first to congratulate you (and all the rest of you Crowton supporters here).

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where have you found a Crowton supporter on this site?

Just because we think JL still has some serious flaws in his abilities doesn’t mean anyone here thinks Crowton hasn’t fucked this offense up.

Talk about changing arguments in midstream…

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wants the 2QB system, you want the 2QB system

What’s great about this for you guys is come win or lose Saturday, there’s really no way for me to prove my argument that JL needs to be the #1 QB unless he’s given the chance to be the #1 QB. Which means pining JJ. Such the asset to the team that he is.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can insult JJ all you want

But until Lee proves he can stop making the same damn mistake over and over again, it makes a second quarterback necessary.

We don’t want a 2-QB system. We think its the best way for this team to move forward until 1 or the other steps up. If Lee lays waste to the Florida secondary — one of the best in the country — then he’ll have earned the job. Until then, a 2-QB system is what we’re stuck with.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Uh, I don't have anything against JJ first of all

That was outta left field.

Hey Billy, let’s say you enter a contest where the winner needs to eat 100 hotdogs in 30 minutes. How do you think you’ll do your first, oh, 10 times? But here is this legion of people who expect you to win it from the get-go. Good luck with that!

So Lee has to “lay waste” to one of the best secondarys in the country to have earned the job.

Uh, okay!

So does that apply to JJ as well? Since you’re so against a 2QB system.

/facepalm

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok seriously dude

I’m getting sick of your shit.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You haven't brought up a single valid point yet

You’ve done nothing but be argumentative and insulting.

And we have a ban function.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, again:

Does that apply to JJ as well? I’m waiting…

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy to everyone:

Unless Lee, who may or not be the starter Saturday, who has been toyed with like a tool by Miles and Crowton for 2 years — “lays waste” to “one of the best secondarys in the country” — he’s JJ’s backup.

No pressure there!

God, you guys crack me up with your “logic”.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

As opposed to your

OMGILOVEJLEEHENEEDSTOSTARTFOREVERANDALWAYS point?

We’ve pointed out through valid analysis of both this game and others as to why Jarrett Lee hasn’t earned the full-time job yet. Your argument is “give him a chance” based on a last drive last week, that, while very good, ignores his previous mistakes.

That’s “logic.” You need to learn what the fucking word means.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who has said JJ's backup?

We’ve said we’re not comfortable with JL getting 100% of snaps until he corrects the fundamental flaws in his game.

I happen to think he should also get the majority of snaps this week. I just don’t think you automatically make him the only QB until he proves he can protect the ball.

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also want

Ridley to carry the ball 30 times per game and Shep to get 10-12 touches per game. So obviously Gary and I don’t agree on everything.

You joined SBNation yesterday and started spamming the comments section over here today. Did you get banned from TigerDroppings yesterday or something?

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reading comprehension fail
(and all the rest of you Crowton supporters here).

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 6, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Billy banned him just for that, LOL

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's no need to ban him

I completely see where These is coming from. I don’t happen to agree the JLee should be our only QB going forward, but I certainly don’t think he needs to come out looking like the second coming of Matt Flynn with Ridley doing his best Hester impression in Saturday’s game.

Despite Florida’s offensive woes, this is going to be a tough game for us. There’s just no two ways about it. If I understand right, These thinks JLee is a far superior quarterback and gives us a chance to win while JJ just doesn’t have it in him. Because of this, he’s thinking JJ shouldn’t even see playing time this game. I don’t really agree.

I’m very much on the “we’re kinda suck with a 2QB system” train because JJ does some things very well and needs to improve on some things. JLee certainly seems to move the offense better but he is just as capable of stalling as JJ, and he doesn’t bring the mobility that JJ brings.

Just because These has a different opinion doesn’t mean he’s wrong. And, Billy, this is like the third commenter I’ve seen since the WVU game with whom you’ve gotten into a shouting match. As for his being “argumentative and insulting”, you were the one who first said

Please avoid the stupid hyperbole.

in your very first reply to him. I’m just saying that I’ve noticed it to be a little bit of a trend that, in our quest to be as un-Rantlike as possible we sometimes tend to run off people whose ideas are similar to those repeated ad nauseum on TD. Just because that’s what he thinks doesn’t necessarily wrong!

by ORtigerfan on Oct 6, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

There have been several people

who have advocated JL being the full-time starter. This guy didn’t have much of an argument other than he was great for one drive and his interception was because he hasn’t played enough. He completely refused to engage in an honest argument and kept repeating his contention that anyone with a brain would conclude that JL should be our savior and JJ should never see the field again.

I don’t think it was the idea, it was the posting style that turned all of us off.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

his opinion is his own, whether we agree or not, even if he is blunt about driving it home. And frankly, he aint even cussin’ or getting deep into the personal barbs, which is more than i can say for some of the responses. (furrows brow)

These is more than welcome here.

/takes banhammer
/puts on top shelf next to cookie jar
/reserves right to pull it down when things go plaid in the game thread this weekend.

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by PodKATT on Oct 6, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just so you know...

I’ve been around for a long time. Just haven’t had to much to say or the time. Today I did. Hope you don’t mind the lurker speaking. :-)
I’ve enjoyed it!

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't said it yet

but welcome back. I remember you from a while back.

I remember your post when your Dad passed. I know that still has to hurt, but I’m glad to see back in this particular asylum.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...thanks!

It’s a year next Thursday. I miss that man.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

/steps away from the keyboard

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by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duly noted about personal barbs, but cursing is OK--right?

It is an easy way to let off some steam but I agree, it should not be directed at a certain player or commentator—was guilty of doing some of this (players) and will not do it again. If no on cursing issue, I will adjust when I join in threads in future—just curious.

by mjtig on Oct 6, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

cussin's fine

it’s when you call someone a stupid motherfucker that’s the problem

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by PodKATT on Oct 6, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

ORtigerfan

Ditto a lot of his comments. This should be a place hwere people can disagree, debate, and still remain civil to one another.

Jonno and I, for example, have had fairly different outlooks on the Tigers the past year or so, but I don’t think we’ve ever gone to personal attacks. We disagree but we both back up our arguments with evidence.

It makes the site far more enjoyable to have actual differences of opinion in which different people can fulyl voice their opinion without getting shouted down. I’m a big fan of that kind of debate. We’re all tiger fans and want the same thing – victory for LSU!

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by Poseur on Oct 6, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've said it...

For a couple weeks now. JJ or Lee, it’s just two different kinds of suck.

I’m okay with Lee getting the majority of the snaps. He definitely brings a spark. But I’m leery of throwing all our eggs in his basket.

He still throws it off his back foot. He still backs out of the pocket when pressure comes. Those type of things lead to bad throws and victories for defenses.

I think this week will be a defining one though. If Lee steps in there and plays great, it’s going to be hard for Les and Gary to not play him 100% of the time. If he struggles, it’s going to be a rotating system all year.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Argument won, case closed

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

YUP! Strength in numbers!

Way to think safely inside the box there, fellas. For the team’s sake, I hope that’s the correct course of action.

If it’s not, and JL is made the #1 QB and he does better than JJ, you ALL need to come back here and kiss my (much smarter, not to mention braver) ass.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If JL wins the position...

I’ll make you an over-stuffed shrimp poboy!

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, who have I insulted?

Point these instances out to me, I’d like to know. Really.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

… you did say that we like Crowton. Them’s fightin’ words.

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by Poseur on Oct 6, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you aren't...

much smarter… and no one is going to kiss your ass for blindly declaring that JLEE should start while providing no evidence.

if Lee comes in and throws 3 picks Saturday will you come back and kiss our (much smarter, not to mention braver) asses?

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot
(much smarter, not to mention braver) asses

firmer and more bubble-like.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll still make....

the poboys! I don’t need much of an excuse to eat.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfair!

I have a sinking feeling in my gut that Lee is gonna toss a pick 6 early on for no other reason than Florida, like every opponent for the last two years, knows exactly what play is coming before we run it. It probably won’t even be that bad of a throw, just a simple screen that is sniffed out way early and jumped.

(by typing this, I am jinxing it and nullifying the possibility. But seriously, this is gonna be by far the best D we’ve faced and I’m feeling like we couldn’t score in a Costa Rican whore house with a fist full of 100’s)

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's got nothing to do with the run...

no one’s saying JJ’s a runner. Lee is simply not capable of handing the job alone… wish he (or JJ) was… sure would make things a lot easier.

by SeaTiger on Oct 6, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first is a mistake I’ve seen 1,000 QBs make, even the best. He got baited by Janzen Jackson

Going to disagree here. That’s not how I saw it at all.

He threw the ball about 5 seconds too late. It was all on JJ. Janzen didn’t “bait” anyone. Janzen was 20 yards away from the play and made up ground after JJ failed to deliver the ball on time.

Beuerlein saw the same thing on the replay. He was wide open, but JJ stared Shep down for 5 seconds before delivering the football.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

You may be right...

He definitely stared him down. HE also threw it late.

Personally, I thought Janzen set him up… which is why the route looked “wide open.” But maybe if he had thrown it a second earlier it’s completed.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't consider giving a WR 20 yards to be a "bait"

I call that “out of position”. The only reason Janzen made the play is because JJ gave him time to make up 20 yards.

PP7 “baits” QB’s by giving a WR a step or two and then making up the ground and making a play (See first pick vs State).

JJ bailed Janzen out of blown coverage in my opinion.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

My only point is, the only thing stopping the LSU offense right now is the LSU offense.

I’m trying to not pull a Bammer and say that the only reason Bama loses a game is because Bama doesn’t play well. (As in nobody beats Bama but Bama)

I’m just stating that thus far, LSU’s offense is the only thing holding back LSU’s offense. That play had much more to do with a poor decision by JJ than by Janzen Jackson making a big play .

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 QB system just might.....

be a great help for both QB’s and take some of the pressure off of them.

Thoughts?

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think Lee can handle the load by himself. He still flashes a lot of the same mistakes he made in ’08.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree.

I think Lee needs to be the unquestioned starter at this point. Let him get all the reps in practice, because lord knows he still needs them.

But JJ is going to need to step up and be a leader and help this team anyway he can. Lee can’t do it alone. JJ needs to come in like RP in 2007 for a change of pace for a play or two. Heck maybe even an entire series.

The coaches should try to give Lee between 80% and 95% of the snaps in a game though.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Use JJ

As a change of pace, and as a cooler when Lee starts to get skittish. I said as much in the Sunday Replay Viewers Guide.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes you did....

Come with me Luke….it’s the only way. (I just had to)

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only problem

I have with this is that JJ really isn’t the best change of pace player we have. I’m assuming you mean that he can run better than JL.

To be honest, I never got the RP change of pace deal either. To me, that was classic over complication by Crowton.

If we want a real change of pace from JL, put in RS in the wildcat for goodness sakes.

by TigerTex on Oct 6, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't disagree totally

But its also for the “cooler” aspect. You might be able to run a wildcat play here or there with Shep or Ware, but you can’t do it for a whole series.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

RP

Getting the backup quality snaps pays off down the line. It paid off that season in the SEC Championship game.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Word

I thought it was great that the coaches were getting him quality snaps. I felt like it would have really paid off in 2008.

Looking back on it though, I don’t think that was Crowton’s intention at all.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee is not the answer....

by himself simply because of history right now. It’s just too much pressure for the guy. Together, knowing they will both play it might help them think about what’s going on while on the sidelines waiting their turn. I will say this Miles is the most hard-headed coach when it comes to change that I’ve seen. It’s about freaking time!!!

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think everyone is in agreement on the Lee/JJ situation.

It will be interesting to see who starts vs. Florida.

Everything I’ve heard says that JJ still thinks he’s starting. The coaches shouldn’t wait until we are losing to put in Lee.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh

Remember, JJ started vs. UT and scored an 83-yarder on the first play, and Lee still came in on the next series. In that circumstance, who starts doesn’t matter that much.

My guess is, JJ starts again, Lee gets in quickly. I’ll talk about all this in the What to Watch bit on Friday.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's the case....

then I don’t want to see JJ hanging his head or sitting on the bench! That won’t sit well with me.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't seem to affect him too much

Vs. UT. Not that he played well after the long run, but he didn’t seem anymore flustered than usual at least.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's the secret to Lee's success.

If he’s not the starter he won’t have all week to be nervous?

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

We definitely need both...

Maybe it was just me, but usually I find that 2 QBs really interrupts an offense. I felt like it helped ours, oddly enough. It seemed to help us stay settled in and moving the chains.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said

I thought Lee always did better after he sat down and Hatch ran a series in 2008. Seemed to calm him down.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

word

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You people are on another planet, I swear

Can’t believe you guys are expecting him (or ANY QB) to be thrown in (and yanked repeatedly and randomly) without some errors in his first serious playing time in 2 years. Lee handled the pressure pretty damn well on Saturday. We lose the game without him in there on that last drive — the most pressure-filled, important drive of the season so far. What freaking more do you want?! WHAT HAS JJ DONE TO MERIT ANOTHER MINUTE OF PLAYING TIME OVER LEE, I ask you.

Lee has earned the start. He has earned the right to stay in. He’s a smart, gutsy, talented leader. He’s not Joe Montana. Also, JJ is NONE of those things.

by These on Oct 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, we're on Planet Earth here.

You seem to be living on Planet Jarrett Lee.

There are still enough holes in his game that relying on him solely would be foolish.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

“He’s a smart, gutsy, talented leader… JJ is NONE of those things.”

Apparently it’s like a Rorschaht test — you’ll see whatever you want to see, regardless of whether or not it’s actually there.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 6, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy hell

Maybe we do have a shot against Florida…

By the way SouthernMan…I haven’t heard you weigh in on Clock Mismanagement part 2 yet… I’m dying to hear your thoughts.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clock Mismanagement 2, unlike part 1 is not on Miles IMO - although he has to now take Crow out of Play or he has no excuse and should be fired with Crow if anything like this happens again!

Miles is responsible for the OMD because he did not call the TO prior to the last play. Not getting the FG unit on the field or the whole ‘clock it’ thing meant nothing as the game was already lost.

Part 2, however, is the most blatant display of “WTH is going on” that I have ever screamed bloody Hades at for 27 painful seconds in my life.

As I lay on the floor at my ‘Volunteer’ friend’s home listening to that infernal “Rocky Top” song trying to determine how much that moonshine still those men that never came down from rocky top would help me at that moment I realized that we have a schizophrenic savant running our offense.

One might remember that I’m the guy that has been trying to counter the Crowton pattern myth prophecy; well I was delusional and wrong. (Not that I thought he was the greatest, I just had a WANT to defend him.

Miles allegedly took over play calling vs. Vandy (or MooU? don’t remember) and we ran it down their throat. Good call!

Miles took off his headset after the UTD and called RIDLEY for the win. Good call!

I’m not sure if I want Miles calling ALL the plays but I no longer want Crowton doing it.

I know the coaches (including the savant) know a heck of a lot more than me but I think a power running/play action with a little bit of wildcat offense is what we should be and given our defense and special teams (particularly the starting field position Zod has blessed us with) makes us indestructible.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Oct 6, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Either way...

I’m not absolving JJ. It was definitely a mistake.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

And underthrown

I’ve been a strong JJ supporter, but he isn’t the same quarterback he was last year. I don’t know if it’s because the staff told him to take more chances or if the criticism got to him, but other than the Carolina game he’s been horrible this year. I hope not being “the guy” may help him get his head together, because JL isn’t inspiring any confidence in me either. I think we’re going to need each of them to spell the other because I can see another 2-3 interception game from Lee somewhere down the road.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's regressed

I was defending him before the season b/c he was pretty decent last year, but he just does not look good right now. He looks worse now as a junior than he did as a freshman. Dunno what the deal is.

by amiznit on Oct 6, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

utter lack of player development

from this current offensive coaching staff.

Our defensive coaches are taking raw high school talent and developing them into SEC quality players. The offensive coaches are gathering talent and drawing up plays but failing to develop them. The more I watch them, the I realize they are lacking in fundamentals, thus lack of aggression, mental errors, penalties, etc. You can pick most of our O players and compare them to a year or two ago and see there is not a lot of progress….in any part of their game. We’ve basically got a high school all-star squad out there taking on SEC defenses. Talent will get you so far, but we have to learn from Weis/Notre Dame……have all the talent you want and draw up all the fancy plays you want, but until you take your kids from high school studs to SEC ballers, it will always be an uphill battle.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 6, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Player development

To be fair, I think the staff should get some credit for Ridley, the improvement on the offensive line and tight end play this year — which, on the offensive end, have all improved. Randle has improved at WR for sure, Shepard isn’t quite where he needs to be but I had low expectations for him as far as pure-WR play. Toliver, however, seems stuck in the same rut for sure.

But as far as QB development, I’m right with you.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’ll admit it, after last year, I wanted both Studrawa and Crowton gone. The OL is vastly improved over last year. I’m not sure it’s ultimately going to make a big difference in the overall record if we can’t sort out the passing game, but I have to admit that Studrawa has done a good job this year.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

We just lacked bulk last year.

Look at what T-bob is doing this year with an extra 15-20lbs on him.

I’ll admit, I wanted Stud gone too though.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think T-Bob

And JD were playing a year early. Big part of that is all the OL attrition from recent years, which is still on the coaches ultimately.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tru dat, but

tailback is probably the easiest position to transition to from high school to college (just my opinion) and the OL has new faces. I’m not as sure that they’re getting coached up as they are just more talented overall than last year’s group…..and bigger. I could be wrong.

I did say “most” and maybe that’s too strong, and there are certainly exceptions because it’s not all of them for sure, but I still get the impression that overall, our offensive guys are not being developed as well as our defensive guys are.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't generally

disagree with you.

However — with OL, getting them bigger is a big part of their development. And actually guys like Barksdale and Williford have slimmed down. Plus technique, by and large, is improved as well.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of player development

and taking a break from the QB insanity—

I am surprised Davenport hasn’t played yet. I guess he’s not ready, but man, I was so sure he was going to have a quick impact in the middle. With Nevis and Brockers blowing $#!* up I guess we haven’t needed him much, but it’d be cool to see him drop a brick wall in there sometimes if teams are trying to get too feisty up the middle. Hope he keeps working and makes an impact sooner than later. He looks like a beast, just need his playing to match it.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've talked about it before

But I know that work ethic’s been an issue with Davenport — and I think he’s had the same transitional problems Al Woods had. I.E. playing at a small level (1A) where you’re dramatically huger than everybody else and then moving to college where you’re around far more talented (and bigger and stronger) people.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you know

JJ was the 3rd most efficient passer in the redzone last year in the whole FBS.

Laissez les bon temps rouler

by TigerStor on Oct 6, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still waiting to hear the argument on why JJ -

should get the running qb role over RS. Just move Lee over to Wr and move RS to qb for that play. Eliminates the need for personnel substitutions to run that play also. And I dont want to hear “JJ is a threat to throw.” His number say otherwise.

by Jadmercury on Oct 6, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

JJ is better runner than he gets credit for...

He’s put together more than few good runs this season. He’s scored TDs in back-to-back weeks on the same play… one from 83 out, one from 16 out.

I agree that someone like Shep or Ware would probably be more explosive, but I don’t know if either is ready for that type of responsibility either… not sure they can handle the ball like JJ can.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

But you never know

We don’t seem to want to give either guy a shot at running it to see if they can handle it. On the other hand, unlike other teams, we haven’t had any patsys to play to test things out.

I hope against ULM we maybe give both of those guys or Ruben Randle a shot a the wildcat. Crowton should love it, it’ll give the defense more to think about…..

by DalTiger on Oct 6, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with this..

I wonder if Ridley could handle a shotgun snap and hand-off, because he could be money as the snapback in a wildcat formation. I would actually rather him (Rid) or Ware having the shotgun responsibility over Shep, and just relegate shep to the jet sweep or halfback role.

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by Mikeno on Oct 6, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand

why Shep isn’t motion across the backfield on every shotgun snap. The D has to account for him and guard the edges which just opens things up even more in the middle of the field.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

You can fake to him on under-center plays as well.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wildcat style

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact, this is why I want JJ in the game.

If we ran Wildcat with JJ every time for one or two series a game, I’d be in favor of that.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seconded...

I don’t get it either Bengal.

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think i agree as well...

the advantage of JJ throwing is not there in the short term…but maybe they are thinking long term.

they might be trying to manage JJ now though. If JLee tanks, we still have to come back to JJ down the road. Or if Lee is injured. It is a good way to keep JJ involved.

by Zandor435 on Oct 6, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

that being said....

i am totally fine w/ scrapping JJ all together and going w/ RS or a rb from wildcat to spell Lee.

by Zandor435 on Oct 6, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Post

Facebook is one of the worst for couyon fan comments. If it’s not “Fire Miles!,” then it’s a random “Geaux Tigers!” when the subject matter is completely different. Possibly, it’s just youth at it’s finest.

I do, however, find that many have forgotten how to be “fans” and have anointed themselves coaches and I suppose this is true of any sport or team out there today. We’ve evolved into “sideline experts” because of the wealth of information we’ve access to. I like Miles fine, even with his poor judgement at times. While I’ve been spoiled to winning in the last 8 years or so I’m reminded by something my wife told me. “LSU is a school for higher learning, not just a sports team.” I suppose that’s one way to look at it.

I'm not calling you a wussy, just your beer. My homebrew, however, is more flavorful and closely related to what men with swords and bad tempers drank 500 years ago, that's all.

by CajunCavern on Oct 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

This is true!

But it’s also my weekend entertainment for several months of the year. Ha!
I agree that there are a number of fans that think they are coaches. Maybe some are at some level.
I am not. That’s why I come here. Some really good opinions and an overall better level of maturity than some other boards.

by Totally Spoil on Oct 6, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

all you cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed, sacks of monkey shit… Hallelujah! HOLY SHIT! Where’s the Tylenol?

HEY!!!!……….

I don’t kiss dogs…….

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by Mikeno on Oct 6, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm convinced our newest commenter is from TigerDroppings

The dominant posting style over there is to keep hammering the same argument regardless of logic or facts.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy crap did this thread blow up!

Does nobody on this site keep track of site traffic?

How are we doing this month? We have to be setting records.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

you have no idea

it’s getting to where I can afford the premium snuggies instead of the cheap knockoffs.

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by PodKATT on Oct 6, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No shiy jinni. I went to bed and it was at 4 comments( i work nights). I got up and its at 123 or something. Wow.

by cbkao on Oct 6, 2010 2:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And wow for my bad spelling, I think y’all no what shiy means and I meant jonno not jinni sorry

by cbkao on Oct 6, 2010 2:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What to watch for

ATVS challange: Please do some data mining for us on the period of time when Matt Flynn was dualed with Ryan Perilous (sp?). Did it help? Did it hurt? I have conflicting memories – I seem to remember that it rattled Flynn a little bit. But then ultimately I think it helped him.

by tomsmail on Oct 6, 2010 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know that it had a lot of impact on Flynn one way or the other

Perriloux played in every game that 2007 season except Bama and Arkansas, but he didn’t have more than 9 plays against anyone except Middle Tennessee State (rested Flynn) and the SEC Championship game (Flynn was injured). That season, Flynn was unquestionably the starter and Perriloux was only getting cleanup or change of pace duty, really to prepare him in case of a Flynn injury.

Flynn’s two worst games were one in which Perriloux got 9 plays (South Carolina; Flynn was 8-19 with 70 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int) and one in which he didn’t play at all (Bama; Flynn was 24-44 for 353 and 3 touchdowns but also had 3 interceptions).

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The main thing about dual QBs is

we need Jefferson to spell Lee, no matter what Lee has “earned” and no matter how bad JJ has been. And it’s not about Lee still having the same problems he’s always had either. I’ve said more than once on here I’d be fine with some INTs and the occasional panic-off-the-back-foot if it once again resulted in 30 ppg.

But.

We absolutely need JJ if for nothing else than to give Lee a rest when he melts down. Looks to me like Lee is still going to wilt at some point in the game. That, we absolutely can not have. Same thing in reverse. JJ has looked completely lost and like he needs to go cry at times. We need Lee so we can spell JJ.

That said, I have no faith in our coaches to use them situationally like that, for either mental breaks OR for yardage/down-distance situations. I fear we’ll keep seeing a blind “He had the last series, send the other one in” or “This guy got us down to the goal line, let’s sub with no timeouts left!” I doubt that works very well, but I have no argument against the fact that we need both of them playing.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 6, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Who let a Ranter in here? You, go back to that other site please! LOL…

Anyhow…

As someone who remembers the Guidry years, watching him move us down field only to put that ‘other’ QB in to throw the ball away, it is a really strong statement for me to say that I support the 2 QB system.

In fact, given the choice, I’d rather see Lee between the 20s and JJ inside the 20s. That may help to minimize Lee’s pick-six’ness / drive killing INTs while maximize our passing game mid field and playing it safe inside the red zones.

by Xanathol on Oct 6, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I forget who said it best on here...

the problem is that JJ has done nothing this year in the red zone and started making mistakes he didn’t used to make so Lee makes sense – like someone said above we did score points with Lee even with him throwing all the picks.

by DalTiger on Oct 6, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

JJ gets the start

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=21921419

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

Here is the problem though.

What if JJ leads us down and scores the first two drives. Now we have a genuine QB controversy.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

But if they’re both playing well, I’ll buy that for a dollar.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

word

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh, yeah, if JJ leads us down and scores

on the first two possessions, I’ll be happy with a 14-X in the first quarter against Florida

by ORtigerfan on Oct 7, 2010 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

We've had a quarterback controversy since the spring game

It doesn’t matter if JJ or JL have a single good game. I think at this point, we’re going to be in a QB sharing system until one of the two has multiple quality games in a row. And by quality games, I mean run the offense, get the occasional first down passing and above all protect the ball.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a cardinal sin to link tiger droppings on here? J/k. It is funny reading their comments though. They think the world is going to end b/c JJ starts. Ha ha

by cbkao on Oct 6, 2010 3:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And +1 on the "Firezzzzz Les Milezzzz" crowd

Like it’s a given we can replace the most winning coach in Tiger history with somebody better. Things need to change on offense, quickly, but sheesh…….again…..most winning coach in LSU program history.

I think our program comes with some natural advantages, but if it’s so easy for just anybody to come in here and kick a lot of butt, then A) why haven’t they?, and B) why does Saban get so much credit for doing it?

Not to mention every coach out there sees we have a fan base that spits razors at an undefeated record and at every conference loss. I love our passionate fans, but some of the time I think we’re just crazy.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 6, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, but that same fanbase also idolizes the defense and special teams

The frustration is that Miles hasn’t fixed problems he said he would. He gets credit for fixing the D by hiring Chavis, Haley, and Cooper. But last year he said he would fix the offense and the clock management problems. He hasn’t, so the fans are frustrated.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's really funny

Is that a lot of people were complaining about Chavis last year. Funny how quick the worm turns…

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

and they did give up a lot of yards, but they locked down the red zone. This year, they’re locking down the whole field (with the exception of UNC 4th quarter).

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will admit

last year we looked exactly like I expected us to look under Chavis: way better than 2008 but have trouble getting off the field on 3rd downs. Seems we did give up yards between the 20’s, but if I recall correctly, we also finished near the top of the nation in total defense. Anyway, that’s about what I thought we’d be……better, but not suffocating like we used to be. I have to man up and say that this year we are doing far better on D than I thought we would. The most awesome thing is how young we are on defense. Most of these guys are coming back. And I’m ever hopeful that this NFL lockout thing brewing will cause Peterson to stay for his senior year. Hey I can dream…..Webster, Landry, Dorsey and others have bypassed a sure-first round pick………

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 6, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defensive Stats

             2010 2009 2008
Total D 6 26 32
Score D 5 13 56

In 2008 we were 32nd and 56 in Total D and Scoring D respectively. Last year 26 and 13. This year, so far, 6 and 5.

You can really see the difference Chavis and Co. made even in the first year. Improving from 56 to 13 in Scoring D means you’re really locking down the red zone.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the real difference

Is that this year’s team has a legit defensive line. Last year’s not so much.

A quality defensive line can really, really take you a long way in college football.

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't a huge fan of Chavis.

I officially eat crow on that one as well. The thing is, this D is so young that I wouldn’t be all that surprised for Chavis’ D to improve the next couple of years. Which is scary.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is frustrating, but I think he’ll get it fixed. Just guessing here, but I think Miles tried to ‘fix it’ by telling his staff to ‘fix it’ last time. Well, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice… least that is what I am hoping happened and is the approach he is taking going forward.

by Xanathol on Oct 6, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

From your lips to his ears

I hope he got embarrassed enough this week to do just that.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You really have 2 Lee's at QB......

Fug and Ug…..that was on WWL 870, and man, they cut Les no slack or Crowton…..this weekend should be a defensive showdown.. Crowton vs Addazio…..2 opposing fanbases that both would like both of their Offensive coordinators to be dropped off in the middle of the swamp….the over/under for total picks in this game is at 4…2 for Fla, 2 for LSU

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

by mrpelicanpants on Oct 6, 2010 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I would take the over

Only way it doesn’t get there is if both teams run draws on 3rd and long all night.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would think we would see a shit load of Trey Burton in the Shotgun....

friends of mine say that Urbs has been running Trey with first teamers all week long while “Brantley heals” his ribs……I think the curtain was pulled back, that LSU’s defense is just as athletic as Bama’s and unless Urbs wants to carry Brantley off in a stretcher, he better get his QB in there that can run the spread like it should be, and not a pocket passer getting run down from behind on a sorry excuse of an option. I think if yall just play smart defense and run the ball(their D is soft, their line was horrible) right at them, they will have no answer. They only have one decent cornerback in Jenkins, the rest were wore down from having to come up in run support.

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

by mrpelicanpants on Oct 6, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good info, thanks.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."

by The Bengal on Oct 6, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Crowton would just go old school on Florida's D...

and just pound the rock. Just run up the gut on them. They arent the Gator Defense of 2009 by any stretch of the imagination. Id run screens and traps and sweeps, and to make it easy on whoever is playing QB, just swing passes to your talent. Id have Patrick Peterson run the damn wildcat. Florida is still overrated and we didnt even crack the playbook that hard. Hell, we shut it down in early in the 3rd quarter to get ready for South Carolina because our Defense did most of the scoring and there was no sense in getting Trent or Mark hurt. They are young everywhere and if you just play your game and dont get fancy, you have enough talent on that bench to wear them out.Trust me.

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

by mrpelicanpants on Oct 6, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Luck doesn’t get you that winning percentage with the level of competition LSU must face

Every year, LSU is in the top 20 if not the top 10 of the most difficult schedules in the NCAA. No way does luck enter into the formula.
But it would be nice to demonstrate convincing wins. Yeah, I agree that a win is a win although a lot of traffic about that win against Auburn.
I do seem to recall a Blue Grass Miracle and a Halloween Run that were spectacular ways of winning a close ball game.
Again, it would be nice to demonstrate a convincing win.
Florida has three players that have three interceptions each. What is OC GC planning this week.
I would love to be 8-0 going into Bama.
Geaux Tigers!

by LSUFan1 on Oct 6, 2010 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

JL Still BAD!!!

I hate to say it and hope it doesn’t happen, but vs the Gators’ secondary this week, JL is a pick six waiting to happen. I predict it happens on one of those Gary-Crowton-favorite-lateral-pass-to-the-sideline plays. Lee will – as he always has and proved Sat. he still does – stare down the receiver, will not even NOTICE the danger of the CB lined up out there, CB will jump the route and be gone.

JL still does all the things wrong he did 2 years ago: Throws off back foot, doesn’t progress through his reads, and, as a result, tries to force pass to primary receiver REGARDLESS of coverage.

JJ may not gain yards for us, but he doesn’t put us at the same level of risk for giving up points as JL does.

That said, though, we need a good 2 QB system. Neither is good enough alone to allow Crowton to open up the playbook, like he did against Vols. The COACHES’ JOBS are to divvy up that huge playbook according to each QB’s strengths & weaknesses, flog them both until they run their assignments perfectly, rotate them out regularly to keep the D guessing, and limit playcalling to those sets and plays whoever is in the game does well.

IF THE COACHES DO THEIR JOB (primarily working their schemes, plays and personnel around their strengths and weaknesses rather than attempting to force a system on players not good enough to pull it off), this team will have the opportunity to VERY IMPRESSIVE, and even dominating, down the stretch. IF the coaches do their jobs, I really believe the Tigers are going to make the pundits eat their words.

by Deluded on Oct 7, 2010 6:20 AM CDT reply actions  

IF THE COACHES DO THEIR JOB - flog them both until they run their assignments perfectly

You must visit the Rant a lot.

The Beatings will continue until Morale improves!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Oct 7, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

My two cents...

I know I’m late to the discussion but given we have two quarterbacks that suck and we have a decent running game why not give the better passer a shot? At least Lee looks like he’s excited to be playing major college football. JJ, not so much. How much talent does it take to hand the ball off to Ridley, Shep, Ford, Blue or Murphy. We’re one dimensional with JJ. Defenses are/will put 8 in the box and dare him to throw it, which he can’t. At least with Lee there’s a chance he’ll throw it even if it’s to the other team. That may open the running game up a little. Love this site.

by Tiger6367 on Oct 8, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

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