Post Game Chatter: The Bama Game
"Les Miles can't beat good teams anymore."
"Les Miles can't beat Nick Saban."
"Les Miles' teams collapse in November."
"Les Miles' teams fall apart after a loss."
"[Insert mythical argument against Les Miles/LSU here]."
Forgive me while I indulge in a sweet, sweet win tonight. I could write a whole column over the endless amounts of criticism I've read from media, rivals and most unfortunately, many of our own fans, regarding the state of LSU football and how we're falling into mediocrity under Les Miles. But let's be honest, those people don't deserve that much credit. Those of us who continued to believe (call it "Delusional Optimism" if you must, though I doubt the "delusional" aspect more and more each week), can pour another beer, dance another jig and enjoy this one all night long. But for those on the border, perhaps you can relate to Michael Corleone tonight:
More after the jump...Rueben Randle just knifed through the Alabama secondary again...
What more is there to say? I remained confident all week long that LSU would win this game (and I think I remained in a minority on that front). I only faulted on my stance after a porous first half showing from our offense and my beer doubts began to kick in. Maybe... maybe... maybe... and then WHAM! 75 yards of instant offense. The greatest offensive kick start in the history of LSU football. Suddenly, we were a different team.
Enough kudos can't go around to Jordan Jefferson for standing tall, enduring criticism and stepping up to play his best game of the season today. To Jarrett Lee for playing poorly in his opportunities only to rally and make his biggest throw at the biggest moment to help ice the game for LSU. To Gary Crowton for doing whatever the hell he did to help the LSU offense pick it up this week (I still would like to see him elsewhere this offseason). To Stevan Ridley for running hard and tough and mean, just like he has all year. To Rueben Randle, Terrence Toliver, Russell Shepard and DeAngelo Peterson for making some big plays at key moments. To the offensive line for standing up in the 2nd half and blocking like men. We came to play today, and it was nice to finally see us play up to our potential.
Games like this are why you love LSU, and you love the SEC. Physical, tough, hard-nosed football that comes right down to the wire. We're play some grass-eating, de-cleating, bourbon drinking football. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Les Miles had it right post game... take a look around, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Slowly, one by one, Les Miles rips down the bricks of the imaginary wall of disdain which has been created for him. It's easy to poke at his idiocy. When you aren't winning, it's easy for the fans to rally against you. As Kelvin Sheppard said, "We're tired of all the bullshit they talk about you." Is Les Miles lucky? I will say this: If Les is lucky, then I want his genes, because the repeated and continual "luck" which follows him around is unprecedented.
Perhaps I'm jumping too far ahead, but could I actually be excited to see what the LSU offense can do going forward? Suddenly Jordan Jefferson seems to have that confidence back that made us love to call him "Jefferswag." He made plays today, repeatedly. He played with emotion. He played with character. Could a rejuvenated Jefferson kick this offense into high gear? Let's hope so.
There's a whole cast of heroes today... offense... defense... special teams... coaches. But the enduring theme of this team is just that... team. We did it together. When the defense fell down, the offense picked them up today. When the offense struggled, the defense stood tall. When both of those units couldn't come through, the special teams said "we got this." Our coaches put together a great game plan. Our players came out with their asses on fire and played with a spark. If you didn't enjoy that one... check your pulse. Oh and did I mention we did it minus three starters, including our best offensive lineman and half our secondary?
What does this mean going forward? I wish I could tell you. I stand by my feeling that Auburn is the best team in the country. I doubt they go down, but nothing would shock me. Oregon is rolling up points at a ridiculous rate. LSU, we're currently on the outside looking in, but the ever-changing landscape of college football, everything could be different next week. My dream scenario: 1) LSU wins out (obviously). 2) Auburn wins out (shocking, I know). 3) Oregon, Boise State, TCU (and whoever else in our way) loses. 4) Auburn/LSU re-match for all the marbles. Wouldn't that be just helluvalottafun?
Oh yeah... and can't forget this:
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Sorry JJ
I didn’t believe you had it in you. Sorry Lee, I thought you did, but that crazy dance in a well protected pocket showed too much. Sorry Bama, you pricks had such a good time talking (singing, chanting) shit in the restrooms before the game like it was 1970 and you were not 18 mos from mediocracy, that I felt bad beating your butt. Turns out Bama is just really impressive in public restrooms – go figure.
Not going to apologize to Miles as I have not been calling for his head. Congrats to him. Crow still must go. Yesterday was just an avg offensive performance for a top 10 team – we need that every week not once every 7 game. We could be crazy F’n good.
Great day to be in Death Valley!
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Nov 7, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
well put Paul
I love Miles.
If you want a laugh – check out the bama SB nation blog. Total meltdown. Talking about benching McElroy and firing coaches.
That’s one of the things I really love about this blog’s delusional optimism. We don’t suck as fans – which unfortunately – many fans at lots of schools do.
It's Meltdown Time post on RBR should be pretty sweet this Tuesday--Bama, Texas, Florida Effin State, ect.
So many good choices there and no way Bama will not be on it I would think—RBR is a great site and I will watch, enjoy and not disturb.
"Wizard: Look at it this way. A man takes a job, you know? And that job - I mean, like that - That becomes what he is...You got a lawyer. Another guy's a doctor. Another guy dies. Another guy gets well. People are born, y'know? I envy you, your youth. Go on, get laid, get drunk. Do anything. You got no choice, anyway. I mean, we're all f*****. More or less, ya know."
From the movie "Taxi Driver"
This Week in Schadenfreude should be fun, too
It’s going to be a fun week to read the internets.
LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."
Saw some of that too..
“We should fire McElwain!”
Seriously? For two losses? Neither of which your offense played all that poorly?
I’d offer them a straight up trade Crowton for McElroy, if they’d like.
Sentiments like this are why people should never get caught up in the message board mania… most fanbases are spoiled and don’t realize how good they have it.
by Paul Crewe on Nov 7, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Guessing
I’d offer them a straight up trade Crowton for McElroy, if they’d like.
You meant McElwain — and yeah I’d take that trade too.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
tomorrow will be the sweetest monday in a while
PAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL
"The second Patrick Peterson puts on an NFL uniform, Darrelle Revis becomes the 2nd best corner in the league."-Herm Edwards
"F You"
This was an “Eff You” win. To everybody. I’m glad the team is pissed about all of the crap that’s been spewed about them and their coach. I don’t want plaudits from anyone… I want apologies.
As for RBR… watch but do not disturb. I love how they can be arrogant even in defeat, calling us Mississippi State except for this decade (which is not true, but okay). I’m enjoying it, but do not post there. Let them wallow. No post-game Weaux-fing, except here at home.
And everyone can bite me.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you Poseur.
Screw the apology and the platitude, I don’t need either.
They can just recognize greatness and shut the hell up for all I care.
Even if they were right about Miles not ever being able to beat Florida or Bama (ha) again, even if they were right that Miles couldn’t keep us on the level of competing for championships, the hatred and slander hurled at that Man from people who claim to bleed the same purple and Gold that you and i bleed is beyond acceptable to me.
One of the main reason’s a 7-1 (7-0 before that) team was the subject of so much scorn was because SOOOOOO much of it was coming from our own.
Well, to ALL of you (not those who were just concerned or had doubts) that wished evil upon the man and tried at every turn to make him look like a buffoon. Reach down, grab you a hand full of dirt and grass and shove it!
That’s what I say.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Congratulations on a great win...
From one Tiger to another.
Come and join me at http://trackemtigers.com
While I am stoked, I can't help but keep thinking to myself...
that this should have been the third win in a row over the Gumps. Keep that in mind folks – its taken a pick crazed game ( into OT no less ) and a ref fixed game for Saban & Bama to beat Miles and LSU. No disputing it – Miles is the man.
Now… GEAUX TIGERS! ( win out! ), GEAUX UGA and GEAUX ALABAMA! ( beat Auburn you two! )
Been saying it all year – had a feeling… this could be a special year.
It would be eight in a row
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
by Jrlz on Nov 7, 2010 12:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great Game
This particular topic is probably worthy of its own post, but I’ll put it here. One of the things I love about Les Miles is that he seems to understand his place as part of a greater whole. And by “greater whole” I do not just mean part of LSU or LSU history. I mean that he appreciates and understands that he is a part of the greatness of college football, and that the greatness of it is much bigger than he is. His comments after the game and on SportsCenterU this morning where he gave credit to Bama and said how great it was to be part of the Tiger Stadium environment show the man to be very respectful of the game itself.
The man has deficiencies as a coach, and they are well-documented, but he also has strengths. Namely, his players get up for his games. He also has genuine strengths as a human being that I think are uncommon among coaches. I think it has a lot to do with his path through college football. This is a guy who was an executive at a corporation after his playing days were over, and then decided he just HAD to get back into football. He gave up a good paying job to take a job with Schembechler running the film projector, and then he worked his way up.
This is a man who seems utterly thrilled just to be making a living in college football. I think if his only way into the business was washing towels, he’d be happy with it.
Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.
by Richard Pittman on Nov 7, 2010 10:07 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Miles is a man of faith--not in the religious sense although he may be but I don't know...
anything about it, but just going by his path as you wrote and from an article I read about his path to where he is now. Being an executive with a good job, He kept calling Bo several times who discouraged him at first more in the sense of “trust me you don’t want to do this, stay in the good place you are at kind of way” and then Bo said OK (Miles’ salary was very little compared to what he did have before but he was “thrilled to be in college football” as you say, and a like how they had something of a father and son relationship. Also, a man of character—I have supported Miles all along because he wins, recruits well, is a nice guy, is a lot of fun/crazy in a good way, ect. through the last two years and before, but he has kept his focus with his players who love the guy through the onslaught of negativity coming his/their way.
"Wizard: Look at it this way. A man takes a job, you know? And that job - I mean, like that - That becomes what he is...You got a lawyer. Another guy's a doctor. Another guy dies. Another guy gets well. People are born, y'know? I envy you, your youth. Go on, get laid, get drunk. Do anything. You got no choice, anyway. I mean, we're all f*****. More or less, ya know."
From the movie "Taxi Driver"
*and I like how they had something of a father and son relationship....
"Wizard: Look at it this way. A man takes a job, you know? And that job - I mean, like that - That becomes what he is...You got a lawyer. Another guy's a doctor. Another guy dies. Another guy gets well. People are born, y'know? I envy you, your youth. Go on, get laid, get drunk. Do anything. You got no choice, anyway. I mean, we're all f*****. More or less, ya know."
From the movie "Taxi Driver"
Great point Richard...
About Miles understanding that he’s part of the “greater whole.”
He seems genuinely humbled to be apart of the game. I love him saying he is “honored” to be on the sidelines coaching this team.
Agreed Richard
It heartens me greatly to see players like Russel Shepard and Kelvin Sheppard come so vociferously to the defense of their coach, who they clearly respect and admire. It makes me think that Les Miles is a college football coach for all the right reasons.
I consider Nick Saban and Urban Meyer to be the two best coaches in college football. However, I wouldn’t trade either for Miles for the simple fact that Miles remembers that this is supposed to be fun. And I really like that coaches such as Miles and Carroll remind you that you can have fun and still be a quality team, that a dour countenance and stern lectures about “the process” are neither sufficient nor even necessary to win a football game.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 7, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I like how when he discussed his job
on Sportscenter U, he said “My primary job is too put my players in a positions to…..” The first priority wasn’t what most would say. He said “earn a degree and win championships.” I feel how he ordered it is important. I think it shows that this is a man who understands the multifaceted job of a college football coach.
by tigeronthenorthshore on Nov 8, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Apologies!!!
Seems to me like the naysayers regarding the LSU Football Team and Coach Miles have a lot of apologizing to do; or, at least admitting they were wrong about both in so many way. What I saw yesterday made mo so proud to be an LSU fan that I’m still in seventh heaven this morning. I’m not going to lie and say I knew LSU would win. But, from the beginning of the game, I had real strong feelings that they could win. There was just something I saw that I can’t explain from their play, and the way they had Bama on its heels all game long. No one can deny that Bama is a damn good team. And, no one can deny they were beaten by a better team yesterday. I just wish I could tell each and every one of the players and the coaches just how proud they’ve made me, and congratulate them on such a well-played game. Maybe, one of them will read this, and, if so, I say: GEAUX TIGERS!!! THE SKY’S THE LIMIT!!!
yesterday, my get fired up song
was Scotland the Brave so we would play with some William Wallace level ferocity. Turns out we used a little of WW’s inspiration in our trickeration too. I am so proud of our boys, proud of our coaches, proud of our school, proud of all of you. We need to steal from that Guinness commercial and come up with t-shirts that say “Playing to win – it’s not for everybody.”
Yesterday was a great day. I’d say the atmosphere was on level with Florida ’07 or UGA ’03. Just electric. The crowd knew that we were going to win that game. I remember towards the end of the game, when the stadium was absolutely rocking, looking at my dad and saying “this is why I came to school here.”
WIZOW!
this is why I came to school here
I just got chills reading this, because I was at the ’03 UGA game and know exactly what you mean. I still get worked up thinking about that atmosphere, and miss being able to be in the student section every home game…
That being said, WAY TO GIVE ‘EM HELL TIGERS!!! I love this team. I felt like the ’03 team was a little like Ivan Drago from Rocky IV, where people just expected us to come out and beat the hell out of people, whereas this year, we’re definitely Rocky Balboa in that same movie. We almost appear to be an exercise of futility at some points, but go ahead and underestimate us. Laugh at us. Mock us. We don’t give a damn, because we WILL beat your brains in. I think it was Poseur who best compared Les Miles to Mickey O’neil of “Snatch” saying something along the lines of, “He’s a gypsy bare-knuckle boxing champion who, at any given moment, is capable of knocking you the fuck out.” Love it.
This is the time when we all need to let the players, coaches, etc, know how extremely proud we are of OUR program. Damn straight. GEAUX TIGERS!!!
LSU's most satisfying win since Florida '07
I have fluctuated on this team like crazy, oscillating somewhere between the (apparently not so) delusional optimism of you folks, and the post Ole Miss head on a stake crowd (not sure if I ever went that far), but Les Miles deserves all the credit in the world for this one. This was a well coached team that played hard all day.
Les Miles is 5-5 against the “two greatest coaches in football” (Meyer and Saban) – which is a pretty large sample size – and I don’t feel guilty about it because at least Miles seems like a stand up guy. He does have his weaknesses, but those can be covered up by two really strong coordinators, and I think he has earned the right for us to put up with having to go out and find those guys to keep him around.
The team loves this guy, and they won it for him. Kudos to everyone, but especially Jefferson who played with an amount of emotion I had not seen from him in a while.
Great column...
I predicted a win, too, but w/ more field goals… got called crazy, delusional, you name it… now the humanoids wanna celebrate… hell with them. Way to go Les and the boys!
That last video gives me goosebumps...
…and I was actually there!
Rankings are out
LSU 5 in AP and 6 in coaches.
It’ll be interesting to see the BCS rankings.
i hate the big ten (and in this case that the coaches have Wisconsin ahead of us)
and fail to understand why big ten teams are still considered relevant. the conference has one national championship in the history of the BCS, and that was back in 2002 (ohio state). are Wisconsin’s wins over Ohio State and Iowa really that impressive? And lets not forget their wins against formidable opponents such as UNLV, San Jose State, Austin Peay and Minnesota
"are Wisconsin’s wins over Ohio State and Iowa really that impressive?"
In a word, yes. Wiscy’s two best wins compare favorably to our two best wins. Now you’re correct that farther down the schedule ours is much better (although you left out Wisconsin’s win over Arizona State) so on the whole we have a better resume – but it’s close.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 7, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I guess my issue
has more to do with the Big Ten as a whole, and the (IMHO) undeserving respect they get from the polls year after year. The Big Ten was great…20…30 years ago? With one national championship in the past ten years, and a losing record as a conference in all BCS Bowls since the BCS’ inception, I would have thought eventually the conference would lose some of its prestige and the talking heads/voters would demonstrate a bit of hesitation when casting their ballots and making predictions (something similar to the hesitance to let the non-BCS teams like Boise and TCU into the big picture). Ohio State’s best win of the season is against Miami. Iowa does have an impressive victory over Michigan State. I don’t really consider Wisconsin’s win over Arizona State (4-5 overall, 2-4 in the PAC10) to hold much weight.
I’ll wait and see what the BCS decides and see what Poseur, et al. say in the blogpolls. The Big Ten just seems to perpetuate it’s prestige by receiving highly overrated marks at the beginning of the season, translating to being “over-ranked” through the season and giving credibility to wins in-conference which really shouldn’t be that impressive. Then they get into the big games when it comes to Bowl Time and don’t show up, year after year. Oh well. It’ll only get worse when Nebraska joins the group (who I do believe is a solid team – Pelini has done a great job there) – I’m just not looking forward to hearing how the conference is the best in the nation with the addition of Nebraska.
To be fair though
Tressel is generally considered a top 3 and Miles is 1-0 against him so, let’s say 6 – 5!
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Nov 7, 2010 1:26 PM CST reply actions
Games like this is why......
2 out of three women (and the best looking 2 of the three) Pick LSU

We must believe in luck. For how else can we explain the success of those we don't like? - Jean Cocteau
Time for honesty.
That 4 and 1 call…is that great or just crazy???? I could not believe they dialed that up, and you have to respect Miles for not caring that he never would have gotten home alive if that goes terribly wrong.
Miles call there...
Only means he’s watched some film on Sean Peyton. Peyton is the only other coach I can think of that has run a reverse on 4th & 1 (or short).
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 7, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I really thought we were going to run right at them with Ridley--amazing, just...
amazing when I saw D-Lo coming around.
"Wizard: Look at it this way. A man takes a job, you know? And that job - I mean, like that - That becomes what he is...You got a lawyer. Another guy's a doctor. Another guy dies. Another guy gets well. People are born, y'know? I envy you, your youth. Go on, get laid, get drunk. Do anything. You got no choice, anyway. I mean, we're all f*****. More or less, ya know."
From the movie "Taxi Driver"
If you haven't seen it...
There’s a great interview out there with John Chavis where he calls Les a “genius at football strategy.” He says he works at it and studies tendencies and knows all the statistics to the plays he calls… they aren’t just shots in the dark… being how Miles holds an Economics degree, is it really all that surprising that he would approach the game in a statistical manner?
Miles is routinely mocked for his “in game coaching failures”… perhaps he simply understands the game on a level that few others do? Maybe the decisions he make are actually statistically favorable, despite common misconceptions about the “right move”?
That's been my theory
“Crazy” just means “untraditional”. Statistically speaking, Miles doesn’t go for it on fourth down ENOUGH.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!

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