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Recruiting Round-Up: Second Season in Full Force

It's high time for an ATVS recrootin' update, and I figure since that's my primary responsibility here, I should be the one to handle it. To be quite honest, it's been one helluva month in recruiting circles for LSU... and not really a good one. I'll make this my best attempt at covering everything that has happened, including the two prominent news stories which will negatively affect our program.

1) The Chris Garrett Situation

I want to approach this issue as fair-minded as humanly possible. Obviously, I'm an LSU fan... and that side of me doesn't really feel sorry for Chris Garrett in the slightest. I think most LSU fans will likely side with Miles' comments from Media Days regarding Garrett's work ethic. The true details of this story will likely never come to light. But here's a few things we do know:

a) Garrett wasn't highly recruited

ESPN can spin it however they'd like, but Garrett wasn't a "highly recruited" QB. He was a Mississippi State commit with an offer from LSU and few other options ever discussed. I'm sure he had interest from other schools... how much is the question. But "highly recruited" is a tremendous stretch.

b) Garrett landed at Northwestern St.

I'm sure the Garrett family will say they had no options since his scholarship was cut so late. I don't buy that. Hell, you just participated in a giant piece about oversigning and cutting scholarships. If other SEC schools thought he was worth it, you don't think a school like Kentucky would have cut ties with someone (I'm not saying it's fair or right or good... but it IS) to ink Garrett? Instead, he wound up at Northwestern St.

c) Garrett is now WALKING ON to Ole Miss

Which is a further testament to his ability. I have no doubt that Houston Nutt inquired about the possibility of this happening for him, but declining to offer a scholarship says enough. Speaking of irony, if the Garrett's are so disgusted about schools cutting ties with players, why don't they feel a similar moral responsibility to have their son honor his commitment to a school that is paying for his education, rather than simply transferring out solely for an opportunity to play football at a higher level?

d) A player has to keep his end to the bargain too

This is a rabbit hole issue. There's a lot that goes into it. I think it's unfair that universities bank off student athletes and the only compensation they receive is a free education (which is nice, but doesn't equal the financial return their ability and clout bring to a school). Player's are taken advantage of for their talent... but they do make an agreement. Scholarships are EARNED every year. It's the same story with an academic scholarship. As a freshman in college I received a modest academic scholarship. After a couple subpar semester's the school knocked it down a rung due to my failure to perform. I've known others who lost them entirely. I'm failing to see why a football scholarship should be handled any differently.

e) LSU did it

I don't know why Chris Garrett was truly cut. Maybe in effort to appease Zach Lee with the third QB role? Maybe just a scholarship pinch (though a curious position to cut when it leaves you with only two players on scholarship at one position)? Maybe the coaches just didn't think he would ever be an SEC-caliber player. I do know that attrition happens everywhere. I do know that a lot of attrition isn't willing or as willing as it's made out to be. It's unfortunate, but it's the business. Many, many schools abuse this practice and in far worse ways than LSU. I don't know what the solution to the problem is, honestly, but I would love for there to be some further amendments to it.

More LSU scandals after the jump!

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2) Self-imposed Restrictions

The second piece of glowing hot LSU news came in the form of self-imposed restrictions. The reductions are relatively minimal in the grand scheme of things. Losing scholarships is never a good thing. Recruiting is the backbone of any successful college football program and any disadvantage you put yourself at in that regard is not good.

Let's hope this is an isolated event rather than something coming from the top down.

3) Recruiting Misses

A couple weeks ago LSU lost out on big in-state stud lineman Greg Robinson. Not long after, long-time commit Jeremy Hill de-committed to begin "looking around." Hill is one of the foundational members of the "family," the group of Louisiana based LSU recruits with a tight-knit friendship and desire to stay in Louisiana. His de-commitment is somewhat shocking, and it's apparent his HS teammate, La'El Collins, isn't thrilled with the decision.

Hill could still very well end up at LSU, and apparently there are some extenuating issues beyond his control that lead to his decision to de-commit. Many suspect he will end up back in the class by NSD. I'm a bit more skeptical, personally.

Losing Hill and Robinson isn't a good thing, by any stretch. However, if there were two positions where LSU could afford to lose a recruit, RB and OL are it. The RB depth is loaded for the next several years, even if Ridley opts to go pro this off-season (which I think would be a poor decision). Similarly our signing class is loaded with OL, not to mention all the young depth already on the roster. Still, Robinson could very well end up in this class.

4) Recent Commits (good news!)

LSU received two pledges over the weekend. Forgive me for not dedicating individual posts to them... it was a busy, wedding-filled weekend for yours truly and coming through with a "So and So Commits!" thread three days late didn't seem appropriate. So:

Jonah Austin, OL - Austin is a HUGE kid, who is HS teammates with long-time LSU commit Trai Turner. He stands at 6'7"+ and weighs about 335 pounds. Austin was committed to Houston previously, but sports a pretty dadgum impressive offer list (Tennessee, Arkansas, Michigan to name a few). My guess is he chose Houston to stay D1 and as local as possible (he's wanted an LSU offer for a while). Watching some tape, Austin's size obviously sticks out. He is a bit top heavy, and his body will need to be reformed. But he has natural size. Shows a pretty good initial punch. Doesn't have great feet, and likely will be a better fit at G or RT (no way he'd take LT spot from Collins anyhow). He's definitely a very raw player (much like his HS couterpart Trai Turner), but the physical potential is there.

Micah Eugene, ATH

Eugene is a bit of a late bloomer, but turn on the tape and you can just tell he's a football player. He's not going to blow anyone away with a dazzling 40 or ridiculous size, but he's a tough guy that knows how to play the game. He plays both ways in HS, but his future is likely at DB at LSU. He brings the heat on his hits, and I love seeing that kind of physicality out of a DB.

Well, that's that for now. Look forward to a series I will do about the signing class both now and going forward... as I will go position by position. I considered throwing that into this post, but decided it would be better to devote special attention to each position and how things are shaping up in that regard.

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GRob wasn’t a big deal imo because we went right out and got Jonah Austin. Micah Eugene is going to be a great player for the Tigers. He’s very good against the run playing as a safety and his coverage skills are largely above average. He’s what I would call a baller. I can see him being a force on special teams early in his years and likely taking over a safety (probs SS) position should he play well in his roles that he is given. Early, I believe he will be much like a TRex though not as good of a blitzer but more in a run support and extra corner roll. As far as Hill goes, I think he comes back, but I think that the depth at RB scares him a little. It won’t have much affect on La’el I don’t think. As far as how we close the year. Out of Ray Drew, Jernigan, Rasco, and OBJ, I’m thinking we get 3 of those along with Hill/Thompson. So, this class is going to be loaded with talent and a bunch of sleepers.

by nasa1225 on Dec 20, 2010 6:17 PM CST reply actions  

About Chris Garrett...

I’m one of the 1st to usually say I completely agree college athletes should possibly have at the very least some sort of enlargened stipend if they help win millions form schools from a bowl game, performing well, etc.

But as someone who has lost an academic scholarship when I attended school, seeing an athlete have an athletic scholarship revoked, I have no sympathy whatsoever. Getting a non-academic scholarship to attend a school is a nothing but a privilege that exists at the school’s whim.

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 20, 2010 8:50 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly my thoughts...

If you aren’t performing up to standard, I don’t see why it should be decided any differently… people forget scholarships aren’t four year guarantees…

by Paul Crewe on Dec 20, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

agree completely

we already treat athletes with kid gloves. It shouldn’t get any worse.

by GeauxTiger on Dec 20, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Should it have been handled better? Absolutely. Completely agree on that front too. But for ESPN to try & sit up on a high horse & invoke some imaginary athletic morality is ridiculous almost beyond belief.

Nevermind the “moral” aspect of a netwrok making millions upon millions of dollars through advertising & tv contracts on the labor of people who can’t be compensated for said labor. Sounds like indentured service to me, but what do I know I’m just an LSU “homer.”

Nevermind the “morality” or “ethics” of an academic institution allowing people to attend for something other than it’s intended purpose- academics.

ESPN & many journalists in general just infuriate me to no end with their dime store, intro level philosophy arguments. “I think this, therefore the morality/ethics should be this, etc.” I also can’t stand how now athletes who are coddled from the moment they may possibly be able to play ball at the college level are somehow made out to be victims all the time. Especially in Garrett’s case when he has a stable family environment. Caveat emptor, man.

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 21, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Micah Eugene

Per Sonny Shipp, Eugene has been considered a long-shot to get eligible, but if not for that he would be considered one of the 10 best prospects in Louisiana and probably a 4-star in the rankings.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Dec 20, 2010 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

welcome aboard Austin and Eugene

I was wondering how Acadiana was destroying everyone without any prospects in the mix. I guess he was another guy like D’haquille Williams that gets lost in the mix till he gets eligible. With Austin, I don’t think Greg Robinson wasn’t as big of a loss for us as it was a take for Auburn.

I agree with you on Hill. I don’t think we are in a good place with him.

Question: Why do linebackers hate LSU?

by Big McLargeHuge on Dec 21, 2010 12:06 AM CST reply actions  

Linebackers

I think the biggest problem is that when you HAVE to go out of state, it kind of immediately puts you behind the 8-ball because you’re facing stronger competition for the better prospects (and remember, distance is almost always the main factor in a recruit’s decision).

Though I do have to admit sometimes I wonder if part of the problem is just that in Louisiana high school coaches don’t put their best athletes at linebacker anymore. There used to be a time when that was what you did.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Dec 21, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Linebackers

LSU hasn’t been a LB producing school. Sure, we’ve had good ones played here, but none that were really NFL caliber (may end with Sheppard). So, that will really hurt LB recruiting. Not to mention, Louisiana isn’t pumping out LBers like some other states. So, we have to go to other states to find replacements. That will lower your chances on landing a top prospect exponentially. However, I think Chavis will show that LSU is a good school for linebackers in the coming years.

by nasa1225 on Dec 21, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Chavis will flip the trend...

In due time. He’ll maximize the guys we have and perhaps even turn some of them into good NFL players.

There’s also some pretty good players coming up soon, including 2012 commit Trey Granier.

by Paul Crewe on Dec 21, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

In the past

LSU was actually well known for linebackers — I’m talking back in the 70s and 80s.

But Louisiana hasn’t produced a really good one since Bradie James. Even some of the higher-rated guys proved to have inflated recruiting rankings.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Dec 21, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

since the 80's

I believe only Perry Riley and Bradie James have been drafted at the LB position.

by nasa1225 on Dec 21, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Brady says "hi!"

In the history of college football, no player, no coach, no guru, compares with [Les] Miles’s masterful incorporation of applied chaos theory and time relativity into strategic game planning. Simply put, the man is on another level. A level many don’t or can’t understand. Genius.

by Gregatron on Dec 21, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Grrrr

In the history of college football, no player, no coach, no guru, compares with [Les] Miles’s masterful incorporation of applied chaos theory and time relativity into strategic game planning. Simply put, the man is on another level. A level many don’t or can’t understand. Genius.

by Gregatron on Dec 21, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you're being unduly harsh on garrett

The primary reason he transferred to NSU was probably so that he could line up early playing time. Had be transferred to an FBS school, he’d have had to sit out a year. At NSU he could play immediately.

Regardless, I don’t think it does us much good to defend LSU and Miles against charges of treating a player without due consideration or respect by saying that the player wasn’t good enough to warrant respect. It’s one thing to tell a guy he isn’t cutting it on the field and suggest he may need to look elsewhere if he wants an opportunity to play. It’s another thing entirely to give him the news in July that he won’t have a way to pay for college in a month and a half after previously telling him he was in good standing.

I agree that subsequent history seems to bear out that Garrett seems to have been far from ready to contribute, but the jury is still out IMO. It may have just been NSU but it’s still hard to come in cold and unfamiliar with an offense and win a job over veterans who’ve been in the system. As for Ole Miss, it’s close to home, and he can pay in state tuition while playing in the SEC. Maybe Ole Miss really liked him but was short on scholarships? We just don’t know.

My points are, we can’t really make a final judgment on his ability as of yet, and whether he was good enough to play for us or not, he still deserved courtesy and respectful treatment, which he very well may not have gotten. Maybe he wasn’t working hard enough to win the job, but if he was making it to all the mandatory events and keeping up his end of the deal in the classroom, I think that should be enough to let a kid keep his scholarship. I see a lot of people disagree with me on that point, and that’s fine. I will continue to believe that if you discover one of your ayers in insufficiently good at football to warrant a scholarship, that’s your own fault for giving it to him in the first place. He should keep his scholarship as long as he’s obeying the rules and wants it.

Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.

And The Valley Shook

by Richard Pittman on Dec 21, 2010 5:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

See, and I think MAY is the operative term here

Nobody really knows just how he was treated or how he acted because LSU’s not saying anything, nor should it.

But I will say this — he’s in the exact same position playing-time wise that Zach Mettenberger is, so I DO think he lack of options says something about his ability level. Or at least how other coaches perceive it.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Dec 21, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought I had made it clear...

That LSU was at fault for the way they treated Garrett, particularly by pulling his scholarship so late.

My main issue is that this piece makes LSU look like a sole abuser of the system, which is far far from the truth. Additionally, other LSU beat writers are reporting that the Eliot Porter portion of that story was very off base, and that Porter would, in fact, love to return to LSU.

We’ll see what happens with Garrett, I just think there’s probably a lot to the situation that would make LSU look less bad that will simply go unreported.

by Paul Crewe on Dec 21, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree Richard.

Here is the thing. It’s not written in the scholarship contract that a student athelete must be a starter by X year in school or they are cut. If he wasn’t missing mandatory events, and had the grades he shouldn’t have been “cut”. Period. There is no excuse for this.

If the coaches had seen enough of him to know he’d never pan out, and wanted to free up a scholly, then I guess they can do that, but it’s horseshit. It’s not Chris’ fault that our coaching staff has the QB scouting ability of a blind two year old.

I know many kids who lost academic scholarships because they didn’t pull their weight. But I don’t know anyone who has lost an academic scholarship because as a freshmen he wasn’t passing classes that juniors were passing. I also haven’t heard of anyone losing an academic scholarship because younger, smarter kids were being offered a scholarship and there was only so much money to go around.

Having said that…Miles oozes class. There is more to this story than meets the eye, that I’m sure about. I’m going to err on the side of Miles gave this kid every chance and then some, and then told him that it would be best for everyone involved if he moved on.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Dec 21, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I keep seeing Garrett was "cut."

My understanding is he wasn’t cut. His scholarship wasn’t renewed, so he left. This is what Miles meant about Garrett didn’t want to stay & fight for his spot. If it meant so much to him to be a Tiger then he could’ve stayed & fought for the right to win the scholarship back. That can happen also. But he chose to play football somewhere else. I don’t think that’s horseshit at all when you’re accepted to a school on a privileged basis, i.e. a non-academic scholarship or a non-academic endeavor.

And don’t give me the out of state tuition argument. We all know he’d’ve gotten an off campus apartment & been charged in-state tuition like everybody else that lives off campus. As a non-scholarship athlete he’d actually have way more wriggle room with grant in-aid & tuition jockeying type stuff. Heaven forbid he have to take out a student loan or have his parents pay or pay his own way like the general student body.

It also ain’t horseshit when he knew the agreement beforehand. What is horseshit is to act like he is somehow a victim when LSU actually met their agreement in full- the scholarship was for a year. It just wasn’t renewed.

You’re right though. Garrett isn’t telling the whole story either. Why would Miles have let, err, the kid’s name escapes me… Delvin Breaux maybe? The kid who hurt his neck & they let him stay on a scholarship a couple years ago. Why would Miles let a hurt kid stay on a scholarship when everyone knew he wouldn’t play ever again but revoke Garrett’s? Just tell Garrett his was one of the two we’re reducing with the self-imposed restrictions… wocka wocka wocka…

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 22, 2010 12:44 AM CST reply actions  

Delvin Breaux could stay on scholarship "cost" free

When a player is too hurt to play, he can go on a medical scholarship. It shifts around the numbers by letting him stay on scholarship without counting against the 85 scholarship limit. All it costs is the money. Essentially, there was no down side to letting Breaux stay on scholarship. He could always replace him on the roster. He could not do the same with Garrett, who was not hurt.

Actually, the medical scholarship could be subject to its own OTL show if they wanted. This is the device commonly used to “cut” underperforming players. Trump up some injury. Shift him from regular scholarship to medical scholarship. Get him off the team without looking like a cretin. Medical scholarships happen every year at almost every program, and it always seems to be some 3rd year player who never found his way onto the field.

It’s gotten a little bit of press already, as some players have complained publicly about being told they have a phantom injury.

Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.

And The Valley Shook

by Richard Pittman on Dec 22, 2010 6:47 AM CST up reply actions  

There was something about Bama

being notorious for giving out Medical exemptions

by amiznit on Dec 22, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

We've done it too.

The thing about it to me is that it seems like a way to “cut” a player while still allowing him to go to school. Personally, I think this is something that should be allowed without having to resort to dishonesty. You should be able to move a guy off the roster and off your 85 man scholarship list while still allowing him to remain on scholarship. That way, if you discover you’ve made a mistake, the guy gets to continue his education on the same terms without counting against you on the roster.

Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.

And The Valley Shook

by Richard Pittman on Dec 22, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I stand corrected then.

I was not aware of the medical scholarship. I didn’t realize it was actually different then the medical hardship or that it’s apparently counted differently.

That sounds similar to the crap roster moves Lou Lamoriello of the New Jersey Devils is famous for if anyone follows hockey. Got a big $$$ guy you want to get the salary not counted against the cap? Voila! Medicall unable to perform due to long-term injury roster exemption… Then I’ll be damned if both Vladimir Malakhov & Alexandr Mogilny turn up playing in Russia not 2 months later…

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 22, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

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