ATVS Roundtable: Season Wrap-up
Billy: Well fellas, that's another season in the books. 10-2 (6-2 in conference), and waiting on a bowl invite. So what's the verdict?
Poseur: Do you even need to ask me?
This season is a resounding success (ok, it ended on a sour note, but that doesn't detract from what this team accomplished). Think back to the preseason. LSU was picked fourth in the SEC West. The standard chatter was whether Les Miles was on the hot seat. The talk was how this was a program on decline. The Delusional Optimism campaign kicked off the wild and crazy prediction that LSU would win 10 games and finish the season ranked right in the top ten.
And here we are. 10 wins. A bowl win away from finishing the season in the top ten. LSU beat Bama. LSU beat Ole Miss. LSU went unbeaten at home. LSU finished tied for second in the West Division, a division so tough that five of its teams are ranked in the top 25. This team went out and had a great year while playing one of the most difficult schedules in the country. At the end of the day, LSU simply lost two games on the road to top ten teams.
Just as important, this year was fun. The games were tight. Les Miles became the Mad Hatter again. Underclassmen not only played key roles this year, they excelled at them. This was one of the craziest years this team has had, and the team played with a chip on its shoulder. I hate the term "swagger," but this team got its swagger back. It was hard to follow this team and not love the players on it. Kelvin Sheppard is the defensive version of Jacob Hester, a guy who has maxed out his ability and is a leader through his sheer will and heart.
Not only was this year a success, but the program seems poised to do big things in the very short future. It's hard not to be excited.
Billy: I came into this season wanting to see signs that the trends of the last two years reversed, and I'm pretty comfortable saying that for the most part, that's what happened. I worried how a team this young would navigate a schedule like this, and 10-2 is a pretty damn good job.
The defense was an absolute joy to watch (big plays aside), especially with a great group of upperclassmen like Nevis, K-Shepp and Patrick Peterson. Our dear General Zod is going to go down on that list of LSU players I tell my grandkids about. Watching him accelerate in coverage or on a return was like watching a Ferrari shift gears.
This was just a fun season, even with the frustrations. The offense, for all its issues, rediscovered the running game with Stevan Ridley - and that's a spot that the future is bright at with Michael Ford, Spencer Ware and the other incoming freshmen we all know about. Even with all the passing game's struggles, watching Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson redeem themselves at different points in the season still felt great.
The frustrations found a way to balance out. Les Miles, for all the flack he (rightfully) took for the ending of the Tennessee game, navigated masterful endings against Florida, Alabama and Ole Miss that featured a fake field goal, a tight-end reverse and a go-ahead touchdown when the field goal was in his back pocket. You take the good with the bad with any coach, and whether people want to believe it or not, there was more good than bad with LSU's this season.
But like I said in the comments to the Arkansas post-game story, while this was a step in the right direction, it was just a first step.
PodKatt: I am also very pleased with the results. Anyone remember how concerned we were about Chavis's D in year 2? Remember when we all thought "Speed over Power" was just code for "we don't have the hosses, so they are going to be doing a lot of swarming to the ball?" With the exception of the key failures that led to our only losses, Chavis proved that this is more than just a last stop before retirement. He was tasked with molding a new D and was more than impressive. We lose key senior (and Zod) leadership in all 3 levels of the D next year, and I'm only slightly worried about it. Year 3 and 4 of The Chief are going to be spectacular to watch.
On the other hand, there are some things to temper the swagger party. As much credit as we got at the time for it, Florida fielded one of their worst squads in a while this season. Tennessee has proven themselves to be a better football team this year than many believed, but if not for T-Bob's preservation instincts, we lose that game. I know none of the 10 wins have asterisks by them, and none of them should, but life on the razor's edge can do a number on your health.
Who am I kidding? This has been the most entertaining set of games since '07, and one of those losses won't even be on the books in 2 years.
I'll say it was great, but still needs work. A little addition by subtraction would do us wonders. (/Sends15themailwithanoticeabouttheHCvacancyatUSLtoCrowton)
Paul: I'm trying to maintain perspective here. I think end of the season losses always hurt worse. After all, you can put away the early to midseason loss and replace it with a sweet memory from another game (yeah, losing to Auburn sucked, but hey, we beat Alabama!). But when you lose your last game of the regular season and don't play another game for a month, the sting lingers.
What's unfortunate about the Arkansas loss is that it reminds of the weaknesses we've been aware of for the past two seasons, particularly offensively. Regardless, when you honestly step back... LSU lost two games, both on the road to top 10 opponents (one of which is the best team in the country). The SEC is a big boy league. It's tough to go undefeated in (even the 2008 Florida team, that I think is the best of this decade, lost a game). Even further, we have 5 top 25 teams in our own damn division. If we played in the SEC East, we'd be playing for an SEC Championship this weekend. That's the reality of the situation.
I wrote a post about this prior to the Arkansas game, and I will stick to my guns. Enjoy the ride. This was a good season. If we win our bowl, we finish 11-2. That means four of Les' six seasons at LSU will have ended in 11 wins. Many may not like the way these came about, but the results are the results and the fact that this season's squad was entirely a group of Les Miles recruits, there's no way to write it off as anything other than a good coaching job.
Like Billy said, we're making steps in the positive directions. QB play hurt us badly this year. JJ regressed and Lee had his moments but then just kinda was there. The season was remarkably close to going one way or the other... close to be 12-0 right now, also close to being 8-4. Overall, I'm pleased. We're clawing our way back up the SEC standings, and we've seen improvement from 2008 to 2010.
Now, go out and make a couple coaching changes, and 2012 has the chance to be a special year.
Billy: So what do each of you think is the next step for the program?
Paul: Priority number one is to finish up this recruiting class. Zach Mettenberger is all set to commit and sign in the next week or so. I don't foresee any costly de-commits (maybe a guy like Dalton Botts or Stephen Rivers depending on how the chips fall). Get all those guys signed and on campus.
Next step is to evaluate the coaching staff and upgrade where necessary. The most obvious position to change is the offensive coordinator and I think the wheels are in motion for that. With Mettenberger coming in and having the opportunity to possibly start for three years, at worst two, a change of system may be in order. Mett is a classic pro-style QB, but the prevalence of spread offenses means we will likely stick to that. I'm okay with it, as long as we hire a guy who knows how to implement a strong spread passing attack. There are a few guys available that would definitely be on my call list. Mike Leach's name will get thrown around, and he's worth the call, but I'm not sure how realistic that is. If nothing else, talk to him about people he respects and admires from an X's and O's standpoint. Guys like Dana Holgorsen are obviously sexy picks, but probably unrealistic. So here's a few guys that could be had and I think would be good:
1) Steve Logan
Great track record with QBs. Likes spread passing offenses. Has worked with Miles (both assistants at Colorado). This is my personal top choice.
2) Al Borges
Not a sexy pick, but a good teacher and fundamentals guy. If Borges was hired, I suspect it would be a lot like the John Chavis hire. Fans would range from a small group that are excited, the large group that are lukewarm and then the contingent that bash everything needlessly. But I think Borges and Miles share the same fundamentals on football and we would see significant improvement offensively.
Those are two names that I think should get a serious look. Here's a couple other interesting ones to keep an eye on: Mike DeBord. He worked with Miles at Michigan in the early 90s, won a NC as a OC at Michigan in 1997. They brought him back in the mid 2000's and he lead some successful offenses with a young Chad Henne from 2004-2007. He's a TE coach for the Bears right now, and maybe he wants to stay in the NFL... but it's a guy to keep an eye on. Another name to throw in the hat is Cam Cameron, who isn't exactly fawned over in Baltimore. There were some rumblings of his release earlier this year. If that happens, he and Miles are close and while Cam has been a pure NFL guy since the mid 90s, he might opt to work with a friend as an OC rather than move back to positional coaching in the league (I put this in the highly unlikely category though).
The other guy to evaluate is Studrawa. He's an average recruiter and while the line improved this year, I still wouldn't say they've exhibited anything resembling dominance at any point in his tenure. Hell, if DeBord were hired, he could do both and it could free you up to bring Wilkerson on board as Co-OL coach. Also, there's some rumblings that Ensminger may move into an administrative role. If that happens, could see a guy like Derek Lewis (who I believe will be job hunting) come in and coach TEs and be a recruiting dynamo.
PodKatt: I feel like we've said this before, but it is the same priorities as last year: better QB play and a new OC. I want Jefferswag to succeed, I really do, but he's just so inconsistent. Combined occasionally with bad play-calling, receivers with the drops, and mediocre line play, and his bad days get magnified.
To Paul's point, I'm not sure Mettenberger would pass Jefferson (or even Lee) but we do need something as a future at QB. TC is being groomed into a coach, and Bailey is just living out the walk-on's dream. Rivers is by all accounts a project, so we need something that's ready to go. Mettenberger is the answer. (Geez, are we really going to have 6 active QB's on the roster? Somebody better be comfortable with running the practice squad)
As for OC, I think the replacement hire is already on staff. We didn't hire Billy Gonzales to be a "Passing Game Coordinator" (what passing game?) We know now that he didn't exactly leave UF on good terms, but I still believe we got him to come here as an OC, only we couldn't get rid of Crowton last year. Hopefully Miles can find Gary another job and Billy G gets that OC spot he's always wanted.
(/Sends21stemailwithanoticeabouttheHCvacancyatUSLtoCrowton)
Poseur: We fire Gary Crowton. We should have fired him last year, and the mistake has haunted us all season. When you are the OC of an offense that ranks in the bottom quartile, you get fired. If you do it two straight years, you usually have to move out under cover darkness. There is simply no earthly reason to keep Crowton on the staff. This isn't personal, I'm sure he's a nice guy. But this level of performance, particularly given the talent available, is simply unacceptable. It would be unacceptable at Vanderbilt, much less LSU. I cannot say this strenuously enough:
GARY CROWTON MUST BE FIRED.
I'm actually onboard with firing most of the offensive staff, but Crowton for sure. Then we need to bring in a guy who knows how to teach quarterbacks. We can bring in QB's until the cows come home, but we need someone to teach them. Our QB's are simply not developing, and they need a coach who specializes in QB development. The light seems like it has come on for Jefferson, but it's not a brilliant flash, more of a dim burn. He needs to progress. It is on the coaches.
Other than that, the team is in good shape. We're going to say goodbye to some absolute studs (Zod, Nevis) and some incredible leaders (Sheppard). But this is a young, young team just bursting with talent. There are plenty of guys ready to step up. The future is incredibly bright. We just need someone to coach the players on offense.
Paul: I think that's something most LSU fans realize, and the source of most frustration. The next few years should be absolutely brilliant. We played something like 22 freshman in significant roles this season. We're re-stocking our lines, loading up our secondary and WRs, and now re-establishing the talent and depth at the QB position. The 2011 class will prove to be one of the most significant in the history of LSU and not just for talent level but because of unity and re-hammering the idea that LSU is the place to be for in-state athletes.
Here's how Miles has surpassed what Saban did recruiting wise (and Saban may have reached this point as well). Now, instead of being dependent upon the state of Louisiana to stock most of our class (yes, I acknowledge Saban did pull some OOS kids), we now get the pick of the litter in-state and go hunting OOS for top-tier athletes.
My whole point is that everyone realizes that if LSU gets an offense, the rest of the country better look out. Miles knows this as well, and good things are on the horizon.
Billy: Yeah, we're all in agreement that there has to be change on the offensive staff. I'm okay with keeping just about all of them except Crowton. There are a lot of theories around about why the offense has struggled, and the only thing that is abundantly clear is that the tipping point has been reached. If its not the play-calling, it's certainly the quarterback development. And in the end, there's just no identity to this offense.
I'm not opposed to promoting Gonzales, if that was part of the condition of hiring him last year. He's a bright young coach, and I liked a lot of what he's brought to the table in the past year. The Humanoids aren't happy with the receivers, but given the general suckiness factor of the entire passing game, I'm not willing to give Gonzales a full evaluation. A lot of people didn't think Brick Haley could coach a year ago when the defensive line sucked, either. A year and a talent-infusion later and that worm turned.
Mettenberger is clearly the future, even if he's not the starter in a year (and it would certainly be a mistake to name him such before he's set foot on a practice field - see Schaeffer, Brent) he has a clear path to the job in 2012 after Lee and Jefferson graduate. Personally, I'd rather go back to basics and bring in a coordinator with a background in fundamental, pro-style quarterback coaching. The offense can be basic and stodgy. If it's fundamentally sound and disciplined, talent will win out. We just saw that play out on defense with John Chavis. So my first choice would be Steve Logan. He's done great work with guys like Jeff Blake, David Garrard and Matt Ryan over the years, and his offenses have a reputation for being relatively plug-and-play, with solid concepts that can be easily taught and built upon. He's even worked with Miles before at the University of Colorado. The question is how much does he like coaching in the NFL?
On a final note, anybody have any bowl-game preferences?
Poseur: Yeah, the Sugar. Unfair? Surely. Possible? Not really. But it's still on the table. If you think about it, outside of the National Title game, bowls are just meaningless exhibitions designed to make the organizers as much money as possible. If you're the Sugar Bowl, you know that both Arkansas and LSU would sell out their ticket allotment, but which team gets you more national exposure? LSU's got a higher national profile. Also, the state of Louisiana has been keeping the Sugar Bowl afloat, and might look kindly on continuing to subsidize this enterprise if the Sugar Bowl shows some favorable treatment to the native team. If Auburn makes the title game, I think the Sugar Bowl would rather have LSU, they just haven't figured out the political cover for it yet (or ever). Also, it would be really funny to lose and still go to the Sugar Bowl.
More realistically, I want the Cotton. We should play A&M every year. They want to play us. We want to play them. Dallas likely wants us as well, as LSU has a huge Texas presence. This is, by far, my most preferred game.
PodKatt: At this point it seems almost certain that we are Cotton bowl bound. It doesn't matter to me much where we end up, just as long as it isn't the dump that is the Citrus Bowl. The high payout is the only thing that gives that game a high status.
Paul: I'm fairly certain we will be Cotton Bowl bound and renewing the old school rivalry with Texas A&M. To be honest, it's a matchup that scares me a bit. A&M has a high-powered offense with a dual-threat QB (exactly the types that burned us this year). As with most bowl matchups, we will have a sizable talent advantage. I'm just glad there's no Citrus bullshit for us this year. Everyone hates that stinker, and it's basically the bowl where SEC teams go to die.
Now if we could only have a new OC in place by then...
Billy: Looking more and more like the Cotton, which will be a little weird given LSU will be headed back there in August. What's funny to me is all the anti-Capital One Bowl rhetoric. Yeah, it's no fun to go to the same place two years in a row, but it's still sort of the official SEC #2 bowl slot. Besides, a Big 10 team like Michigan State is probably a better match-up for LSU than Texas A&M.
I do suppose that new after-New-Years' date makes the Cotton a little more attractive as well.
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Great Review Gentlemen
I’ll add some content to my “thanks for another great year” of Tiger coverage later but for now,
Thanks for another great year of Tiger coverage!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
PREFERRED BOWL GAME
Cotton is preferred venue, but I think Cap One does the team far more good in the final rankings.
Based on the current rankings, it seems there is no upside to the Cotton for the Tigers, but plenty of downside. I think we need to beat a higher ranked team in our bowl game to end up in the Top 10, and it appears that the only one left out there that we have access to is Michigan State, which everyone seems to think will end up in the Cap One.
I’ve heard people argue that teams ahead of us will beat each other, and if we beat A&M, we stay in the Top 10. I’m not so sure about that. IF, on the other hand, we lose to A&M (which is not a bad team), we take a big hit.
Cap One field (turf & drainage) and facility have undergone major renovation which should adequately address the mess everyone saw last year.
The teams ahead of us will lose...
And if we win, we’ll probably wind up around number six or seven. Possibly top five if Arky wins. Although how we win would play a big part in determining it.
I'M NOT SO SURE . . .
. . . because most of them are playing other teams ahead of us. Va. Tech beating Stanford or Alabama beating Mich. State may help us, but I’m afraid it helps those 2 teams more. I think Va. Tech would definitely push into the Top 10 under that scenario, and Alabama – while further away and playing a lower ranked team – may also be pushed up into the Top 10. Under either of those scenarios, my concern is that we would be pushed down and OUT to make room for those 2 rather than up. I would have rather had our fate in our own hands.
AND HOW BADLY did we (and the Fiesta Bowl, for that matter) get screwed out of the Fiesta Bowl by virtue of the rule that prohibits more than 2 teams from one conference going to a BCS game? LSU/Okla. would have been an excellent game.
Need to clarify a point
Our loss to Auburn will stand even if they vacate wins. That’s the difference between vacating wins & forfeiting. If Auburn is put on probation, they vacate their wins, which only means THEY give up their result but all losses other teams have would stand. So technically, Auburn would be 0-0 (or 0-1 if they lose the BCS title game) for 2010.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
This season has been a resounding success--a bowl game win would be...
great and Miles is good going by his track record of having his team prepared for them. We lose Cookie and Barksdale, but we have a lot of players coming back—some of them very young— on both lines. We have two very good backs, and a couple of power backs coming in with some good lineman, so, I think Miles is going to continue to emphasize the power run. A lot of young players at lb, all over the secondary, wr that have experience and experience at QB—I agree with all about getting in a new OC (I know your loyal CLM, but please make that change). The future looks bright.
"Wizard: Look at it this way. A man takes a job, you know? And that job - I mean, like that - That becomes what he is. You know, like - You do a thing and that's what you are...One guy lives in Brooklyn. One guy lives in Sutton Place. You got a lawyer. Another guy's a doctor. Another guy dies. Another guy gets well. People are born, y'know? I envy you, your youth. Go on, get laid, get drunk. Do anything. You got no choice, anyway. I mean, we're all f*****. More or less, ya know."
From the movie "Taxi Driver"
Good wrap up of life along the razors edge
Miles deserves a lot of credit for getting this team to ignore the noise and fight fit 10 wins.
But My Kool-aid is a bit diluted after watching other teams play this weekend. I qued up the O’Bama and o’l Miss games just to compare. WOW. Our offense is so fundamentally unsound that I am concerned it can’t be fixed in one offseason. As mentioned above, I to am not sure Metz gets to start over JJ and Lee. Miles is a loyal guy and 2 sr’s will not be benched without a steller offseason by Metz -if he signs. .
If our D takes even a small step back (for a time perhaps?) the Tigers will be challenged -and early with OR prepping for the turf at JerryDome.
But as long as Crow is out and Metz is in, I’m very optimistic about the next few years even if we have to live through some growing pains early.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Dec 5, 2010 2:39 PM CST reply actions
Which offenses impressed you?
I’ll spot you Auburn and Orgeon (who hardly looked great this weekend), but they have two of the best offesnes in the country. Were you simply wowed by Oklahoma’s attack? Or Miami of Ohio? Or how about UCF? I watched a lot of football this weekend, too, and we must have seen different games… because mediocre offense was the order of the weekend. As bad as LSU’s offense was this season, it’s really only a step away from being average, which is all we really need (UO and Auburn do not have our defense).
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I was Wowed
by the gap between OU, Neb, AU, OR, SC, and even WV. I know you wont agree, but it has been very disturbing, to me, that our offense is so chaotic (three years running). So yes, when I watch OU I am wowed by how far away we are – I don’t see it as the “one step” you do. I think our offense in on a whole other tier than the other top 15 – 25 offenses. It’s not about stats (entirely) it is about the proverbial “well oiled machine”. Our machine looks like it was built in HS shop class. Others range from the ordinarily competent Hondas, to the super exotic Pagoni that is Cam.
You can throw out AU and OR b/c they are in the top 2, but I think they are worth comparison on this front. OR took a young QB and gave him the…I know know what…to run a complex offense smoothly. AU adapted, smoothly, to a new QB with new talents. OU may not have impressed you, but watching Landry run the machine was brilliant to me, b/c it is so foreign to what we have. Even failed plays look like they are part of planned attach.
Even Nebraska, with a true Frosh QB who is best at running the ball (and injured), made me long for a QB coach. I didn’t see chaos, and don’t recall the feeling of WTF was that play intended to achieve. Again, grass is greener, no doubt, but the “fundamental soundness” i mentioned is a bit like porn, you know it when you see it. Ours looks like…National Geographic without the pretty colors.
I know this kind of talk is blasphemous and trollotic here, and I’ll take my lumps, but there was a reason I went back to O’Bama and Ark (I said Ole Miss but that was not right). I wanted to see our high points. Sorry thing is, I think we are so wowed by the occasional vision of a competent offense that we forget how crappy it normally is, and how smooth other looks (when not against our D). Those good drives were good, and good enough to win. But they are not enought to quench the burn of so many other drives that look like the first spring practice at a local HS.
I have my crash helmet on! Learn me how good we really were.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Dec 6, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
You misunderstood me...
… our offense was terrible. Hence the whole “GARY CROWTON MUST BE FIRED” line. I felt that was remarkably clear.
My point is that mediocre offenses stretch across the college football landscape as far as the eye can see. Did you watch the Big 12 title game? That was a game in which two offenses simply failed to take a game that was for the taking. SC? Really? You mean, the team that scored the same amount against Auburn as we did? While giving up nearly twice as many points? WVU? It was decidedly mediocre.
Yes, Auburn and Oregon have great ofeenses. We are not in their class, and won’t be, even with a one year improvement. but LSU doesn’t need to be a top ten offense to win a title given its defense. LSU needs an offense that is, well, average (above average would be better obviously). And average is hardly out of reach, especially with the talent on hand.
Look how quickly Auburn turned around its putrid offense. Or even how Virginia Tech went from absolutely inept to above average. No one is saying the LSU offense does not need to improve. It certainly does. What I am saying is that improvement isn’t as high of a mountain as you make it to be.
Crisp, efficeint offenses which rack up points are a rarity in college football. College kids make msitakes, its the nature of the business.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
Perhaps.
I think “crisp” – which is good term for what I’m talking about – is less about talent and more about confidence and comfort in the system. I fear we can’t gain that in one off-season – unless Metz is really just so far above JJ and Lee that he can calm the whole machine down.
Again, I understood you (it really is not that complicated, come on!), but don’t agree the gap between the offenses (not the other aspects) i noted and ours is a close one. I think it requires a systemic change, which is normally very hard – AU aside. I’ll be damn happy if I’m wrong, but I think we need a full season to get to crisp – and that could be a touch road. BUT I AM DAMN OPPTIMISTIC WE CAN DO IT!
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Dec 6, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
2011 idea for improvement
They could use a portable (along the side lines) game clock for Jefferson. Have you noticed how many away games where the on field game clock has “problems”? I think it’s entirely possible that opponents’ staff have realized JJ has a little trouble with the game clock, resulting in some planned foul-play. So why not bring along a little mobile battery powered unit that can be roughly sync’ed every play by someone on the LSU sideline to give him some help.
Also, the more I see Auburn play, the more proud I am of KS and LSU’s defensive performance that game.
Also, I like the D, but I think we better get some more beef on the team for 2011. I don’t know how we did what we did, but it sure looked like we were easily handled at times. Same comment for the O-line.
We'll get biggger on the Lines
Look for all those freshman we had playing D-Line to gain 15-20 pounds this year. Especially Mingo and Montgomery. We’ll have a lot of big, strong freshman and redshirt freshman in the rotation as well. The D-Line still won’t be huge, but they’ll be bigger, and still insanely fast.
On the O-Line, I just have to hope that they’ll all make the same kind of improvement that Dworaczyk and T-Bob did in terms of size and strength before this season. Don’t forget we’ll get Blackwell back at full health. T-Bob did an admirable job filling in for him, but he doesn’t have the same force. I’d also like to see if Williford, the 6’-7" monster can improve and find his way into the rotation at Guard and RT.
All I want for Christmas
is a big, fat, dominant defensive line like we used to have. I know plenty here won’t agree with me, particularly the writers, but I think our DL is overrated, as far as being as good as the media seems to think they are. Nevis is an unadulterated beast, maybe behind only Fairley in the whole country. Past that, they are good, certainly not bad or even mediocre, but I think my high on them has been skewed by comparing them to the lines of the last few years. I went back and checked the rosters of earlier in the decade and I have to say…..I really just forgot how good those guys were. Our line was better this year than last year, and way better than 2008, but I still watched QBs with way too much time far more often than I cared to. I also couldn’t help but notice we once sported DE’s like Marquise Hill, Marcus Spears, and Tyson Jackson. These guys were nearly 300 lbs. And they moved like linebackers. Hill and Spears, in particular, were as big as Lavalais and Williams who played on the interior next to them. I love the athleticism of our line, but these 245 lbs and whatnot…..this crop is just not as good as those old guys. Used to be we matched up well with EVERYBODY, didn’t matter what kind of attack they ran. Because our line wreaked havoc. Every down. Every week. For that matter, the fundamentals on this defense were fairly poor in the back 7, but their athleticism and playing a bunch of mediocre offenses largely covered it up. When they faced a legit offense, the problems showed up. I’m more forgiving because that back 7 was young, but plenty of progress left to be made. I want somebody to explain to me exactly how Chavis plans on getting us back to making sure the line terrorizes every offensive line, even on as good as Auburn (the 03 line destroyed a mortifyingly talented Sooner OL, most of whom are playing on Sunday), and tell me where the hell are the big ass defensive ends these days? I hear “speed over size to combat spreads” a lot. Popular line, but doesn’t wash with me. The NFL doesn’t take slow players, and Spears and Jackson and Hill (R.I.P.—he’d still be playing with the Pats if he were with us) don’t seem to have trouble moving sideline to sideline in the NFL.
I’d rather have that than an offensive upgrade. Yeah, I’m sick like that……
A college football team may never have a line as good as LSU's 2003 line ever again.
The 2002-2007 lines were all very good, some great…But the 2003 line was unreal.
If we can get back to 2005-2006 levels, which is the only realistic goal, we’d be in business. I don’t think this year’s line was overrated, but I’m coming from the standpoint of being so extremely excited with how well they did that I’m looking at this with a different perspective. Remember, I predicted teams were going to run all over us this year. Bottom line, I think we were gassed at the end of the year because we were a little undersized. Next year, we lose our best player, but we have so much talent on the Dline now, that these guys could easily step up to the kind of production you are looking for.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
2006 line has a case
Dorsey, Jackson, Francois (a motivated, healthy and eligible Francois), Alexander, Favorite, Chase Pittman (even he had a cup of coffee in the NFL), Trumaine Johnson…that group was pretty sick.
I’ll say this — a dominant defensive tackle goes a really long way in college football. Drake Nevis and Nick Fairley both showed that this season.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
The only thing between us and an SEC championship next season...
The hardest schedule in the country…
Only 6 home games, 5 on the road, 1 neutral site.
Non-conference games vs Oregon (preseason top 10), and WVU (decent team).
Bama on the road.
A much improved Tennessee team on the road.
There won’t be another team in the country playing that kind of schedule. If we navigate that baby + the SECCG with only one loss, we are a shoe in for the NC. More realistically we’ll have 2 losses, hopefully only one in conference, but that could be good enough for a trip to ATL.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
Our schedule is too tough.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7
ATL (with a "W")
Those crystal balls are pretty and they’re fun for bragging rights, but winning a national title is as much a beauty pageant as anything. Several teams, including Auburn in 2004, have proven a lot of it is out of your control.
But conference championships……we control that 100%.
I want back in Atlanta, and I want to smell that sweet success……knowing that we just pwned the country’s best conference…….again.
Well done summary...
Even though the season was undeniably exciting, I still think we play too many close games. This is absolutely fantastic if you’re a neutral observer, but as a fan it is heart attack inducing, and more importantly, it’s simply too hard to win that many close games. It’s a lot more realistic to expect the breaks to go your way in 3 or 4 close games in a season, vs. twice that many. I never get the feeling that the team is mailing it in, but they still seem to play down or up to the competition.
Obviously, the offense is unacceptable. You covered that well already, so all I will say is that I would like to go back to more of a pro style offense. We have the talent and the defense to do it. I don’t see any reason why we have to run spread type stuff just because everyone else is doing it.
Nice wrap up...
with just a few exceptions IMO. First let me say that I’m proud of the fact that I was one of the few who never waivered on this team. Win lose or draw I thought they always played hard, and for me if you give maximum effort you’ve won regardless. You combine that effort with talent and you’re going to win your share of game and I thought Les did a mafnificent job with this team. I will miss many of the Seniors and Zod of course, but the young guys were able to get SOOO much experience this team should be scary next year if their Summers are as good as they were this year.
My exception: I don’t want Crowton fired! I said it, I believe it. GC was the OC when we won the National Championship, and that offense was fantastic. The games we lost that year we lost in high scoring OT games, so you can hardly blame GC for that. ‘08 O-line was awful, I don’t care if God was your OC with that offensive line we just weren’t going to be able to do anything. ‘09 Defense was horrible (2 DC’s) and JJ was a nice QB, he just regressed this year. IMO if you give GC the right tools his offense is terrific. I wouldn’t say it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. Next year with a good QB he will have ALL the tools provided the O-Line continues to improve. The one change I think needs to be made is Stud. I think the O-Line needs to be better recruited and the technique needs to get a lot, a lot better. You shore those positions up and everything is in place.
Great season Tigers, I loved the effort, the chemistry, the leadership, and the can-do spirit that you exhibited all year. Go Tigers beat the Aggies!
You have the years confused.
The Maloveto experiment was 08. And GC had the tools to succeed. He just mismanaged what he had. He failed to develop two physically talented quarterbacks (JLee and JJ) and he turned two accomplished dual threat quarterbacks into a so so receiver and a seldom used running back( Russel Sheppard-spelling could be off-and Spencer Ware). This is one qualm I have with Les Miles. I cant understand why LSU recruits drop back passers and then tries to turn them into spread quarterbacks. And then on the flip side recruits dual threat quarterbacks suited for the spread and tries to turn them into something other than a quarterback in a spread system. Also reference Darron Thomas, the starting QB for Oregon, who would have come to LSU if he would have been given a chance to play QB.

























