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My Spring Game Thoughts

This is all pretty self-evident but I still feel the need to put a disclaimer on all of this.

Tip'o the hat to Mikeno

 

Whenever you're going to break down a team's spring game, there's only so much you can read - good or bad. Plenty of past spring games have not looked indicative of the team to come that season, again, in good and bad ways (nobody, and I mean nobody saw LSU's offense tanking so badly after last year's spring game, ditto the 2008 defense in its spring game). So I'm going to ask (and perusing the message boards, clearly this is asking a lot) that everybody not freak out and jump to conclusions.

With that said, here are a few observations:

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  • Les Miles' comments about this team being one of his fastest are definitely spot on. There is speed at almost every position. The defensive line may be a little on the light side, but there's definitely athleticism to spare. Sam Montgomery and Barkevious Mingo (who absolutely abused Greg Shaw on several plays) have the tools to be excellent pass-rushers. The question will be how they hold up against the run. Inside, without Drake Nevis the team was hurting at D-tackle. There's not a lot there in the bulk department. I had hoped Chris Davenport might provide that, but I have to admit he wasn't too impressive Saturday.
  • The defensive backfield is loaded. I'd throw some superlatives at Patrick Peterson, but frankly we need to save some for when the regular season starts. I really hope the coaches stick with him at kick/punt returner. Morris Claiborne did a great job as well, and looks like he'll have the speed to run with every receiver in the league, but needs more work on recognizing routes and such. Brandon Taylor and Jai Eugene flashed enforcer mentalities, and Eugene in particular has added a lot of bulk. It'll be interesting to see if this safety move keeps up. On that note...
  • Craig Loston has everything you want at safety, but watch him play-to-play and you can see why Eugene got moved to FS. The competition's warranted, and Loston needs that extra push.
  • Linebackers: looked a little lost at times without Kelvin Sheppard, but again, the athleticism is there. Stefoin Francois and Ryan Baker are going to have to show they can hold up at the point of attack. Baker in particular had some tackling issues.
  • Overall, the defense kept things really basic. A lot of cover-1 and cover-2 with linebackers dropping into zones much more than they blitzed. I think this played a big part in the quarterback play, but more on that later.
  • On to the offense - the running game looked excellent, and the offensive line was a big part of that. Alex Hurst backed up all the pub he's gotten through the spring, as did Will Blackwell and P.J. Lonergran. Joe Barksdale did a solid enough job - a few issues with Montgomery but some of those sacks were of the coverage variety.
  • Mike Ford's been getting all the accolades, but let it not be said that Stevan Ridley didn't look great as well. Ridley's shed a little weight and while he's a pure power guy, he has a little more quickness and balance than somebody like Charles Scott. He's not the lower-the-shoulder type - more likely to slip out of the tackle with good body control.

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  • That said, Ford's a different animal. He splits the difference between the power of Ridley and speed of Richard Murphy and Russell Shepard. Up close, he's a compact ball of muscle. And with the ball in his hands his feet never stop moving. On Saturday, he always found a way to fall forward. In general, I loved watching the running game be a focus, and a I hope that holds up in the fall.
  • As for Shepard, his transition seems to be going well for the time being, but I think right now he's going to contribute more on runs than catches. He's picking up the route-running aspect of the position well, but still struggles catching the ball. I have a feeling we won't see him much in the return game. But on slower defenses, I think a couple of his runs would have gone the difference. The shotgun counter got called a handful of times. I hope Crowton remembers that play, with maybe some of the motion plays that Florida used with Percy Harvin mixed in.
  • And now, finally the quarterbacks. There's no way to sugarcoat it - they didn't look good. Jordan Jefferson still looked tentative getting through his progressions (with apologies to Jarrett Lee, he's not starting unless Jefferson gets hurt). There were some drop issues, but he missed on more than one deep pass as well.

    That being said, last year he looked calm and confident with an 8 for 10 performance. In 2003, Matt Mauck threw FIVE interceptions. DO NOT PUT TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE SPRING FOOTBALL GAME.

    On a closing note, if this new-found commitment to the running game holds up (and after last season I really think the if remains a big caveat so long as Crowton is around), the offense will be fine. Matt Flynn led the highest-scoring offense in LSU history with a passer-rating that was 10 points lower than Jordan Jefferson's in 2009. The difference was a dramatically (as in almost 100 more yards per game) improved rushing attack. If LSU has that in 2010, the offense will be good enough to win more games than it was last year.

 

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The 2010 LSU Spring Game

Mar 2010 by PodKATT - 3 comments

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Great analysis, Billy.

I agree with just about everything there.

Jrlz rhymes with Charles.

by Jrlz on Mar 28, 2010 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree. Only one addition

I would have used italics and bold and underline on DO NOT PUT TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE SPRING FOOTBALL GAME. Otherwise, spot on, particularly in noting that there were many bright spots, most importantly the secondary, Montgomery, Mingo, Ridley, Ford and o-line. My main dilemma for the summer is deciding whether I name my next kid Patrick Peterson or Michael Ford Haveagreatday. Again, this proves your overall point that the spring game is just one scrimmage so naming rights should not be decided just yet, nor should the potential of the football team.

Of course, the devil on my left shoulder does keep whispering, “we couldn’t run against the little sisters of the poor last year. do you think they could possibly get that much better in four months? our big run number just means the defense sucks.” but I choose to ignore him.

by haveagreatday on Mar 29, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really goes both ways

I have a hard time believing LSU’s passing game is that bad or that the running game is that good.

Though if the latter does turn out to be the case, the former won’t be as big a deal.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with your last paragraph especially

Do you think the defense will be better than last year? If I had to say right now, I would say yes. If that’s the case, and our running game is anywhere near what we saw yesterday, then we don’t need Peyton Manning, and someone like Jefferson could be perfect (doesn’t make mistakes, could pick up big first downs with his legs, not afraid to just dump it off). But again, it’s one scrimmage, so we need to first see it replicated against a UNC defense that is freaking LOADED.

As far as Shepard, I think he’ll be fine and make a bigger impact at receiver. The fact that he had the routes down was really impressive to me, and I think that’s the most important part. Anybody can go out and catch a football with focus and confidence, so I don’t think that will be a huge problem. Also, I doubt he’ll be used as a “pure” receiver, I would assume he’ll get the ball mostly on crossing routes, screens, end arounds, quick outs, and maybe the occasional streak or post, but he probably won’t need to go get the ball out of traffic.

And speaking of that, Randle didn’t bring either of them all the way to the ground, but he showed some very nice body control on a couple of passes (I think the red zone fade that was out of bounds, and the one where Peterson interfered).

by Ianoka on Mar 28, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I should probably answer this
Do you think the defense will be better than last year?

Not sure yet. I do think the pass-rush will at least be improved. I have to admit, seeing Baker and Francois struggle a little was disconcerting, because I was very high on them. But, as I’ve said I’m not about to totally change my opinion based on just the spring game. I think it can at least be as good as last year’s group, which kept LSU in every game despite getting no help on offense. We’ll see about improvements.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 29, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, one more thing

People are all over the quarterbacks, but Toliver had a broken hand, Shepard was just moved to receiver, and there were a couple of drops. Ha, and I know this has been said a million times, but it’s warranted: It’s just one scrimmage.

by Ianoka on Mar 28, 2010 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Good thoughts

I’m about sick of all that’s being made about spring “game” “performances” yesterday. But you did what I’m sure the coaches did – take away the context of this being a “game” and looking at what individuals are showing you. I also came away from the practice liking what I saw of Mingo, Loston and Ford.

by Cap'n Ken on Mar 28, 2010 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, OK....

I’ll shut up. That was a good review and I feel better with you making some valid points.
We have a long way to go till fall. I’ll work on getting some sleep now. :-)

by Totally Spoil on Mar 28, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

One more thing I would add

On at least 2 or 3 of the passing attempts, Jefferson dropped back and both myself and my brother muttered “there is NOBODY open.” The defense was dropping everybody on some plays.

The secondary looked really good at times. It has to get mentioned along with the QB struggles.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 28, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen.

And like Billy mentioned, Eugene looks a lot bigger than last year. I’m excited about having 4 corners as our starting secondary, although our run defense COULD be a concern with all of the positional shifting down, even without Craig James mentioning eight and a half million times yesterday.

by Ianoka on Mar 28, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think it was possible

But he is now even less tolerable. It’s going to be even more difficult to put up with the “HURR HE’S GOT A GREAT MOTOR U GOTTA PUT A HAT ON A HAT PIN THEIR EARS BACK STATEMENT GAME DURR” blather when it’s coming from him now.

by Hutchicus on Mar 29, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It should make y'all appreciate Herbstreit that much more

Because James used to have his spot on the original College Gameday. Say what you want about Herbstreit (I happen to like him, though I certainly don’t always agree with him), he’s damn sure a step up from Craig James.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 29, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think our undersized D-line is going to be every bit the problem this year that our undersized O-line was last year. Let’s hope they use the summer to add some bulk. Although, if our Linebackers can come on strong to fill the gaps, this defense may turn nasty quick. That is probably just wishful thinking though.

I think our running backs are great. They both run hard with their heads up and make great cuts. Going to be fun to watch those two. Ridley and Ford looked better than Scott and Williams. Murphy will hopefully be able to contribute, you’ve got to love his attitude.

I wasn’t impressed with any of our WR’s. Hopefully our secondary is that good. Shep isn’t there yet at WR, but his work ethic makes me think that he will be by fall.

Our O-line is much improved, which I think is really just a factor of them being SEC size now. The “sacks” that the line gave up were mostly just due to the two hand touch rule on QB’s. I think our QB’s would have scrambled out of half of them.

QB play was below average, and that is being nice. We’re going to need some help here.

The fans have obviously been working on their game all spring, as they are in midseason form. Most left at halftime.

by LSU Jonno on Mar 29, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

No one's more popular han the backup QB

Right now at dandy don’s site about 1800 people have voted in the poll asking who should be the starting quarterback. Jefferson has only 15% of the vote. By comparison, Chris Garrett has 21% of the vote.

This is literally insane. Not a single LSU fan has ever seen Chris Garrett take a snap or throw a pass, except in recruiting videos. Yet apparently 1/5 of them believe he’s the best choice for the starting job, based on how he jauntily and confidently holds the clipboard?

Even worse, 10% voted for none of the above — neither Lee, nor Jefferson, nor Garrett should start. Either LSU fans want to go to the single wing, or there’s a huge upswell of support for TC MCCARTNEY based on the fluff piece ESPN did on him last year. Guys this is inconceivably stupid.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Mar 29, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't be knockin' TC

It’s fun to do, so I’ll blame this on ESPN too. As soon as Garrett came in, all i heard from the yonks in the booth (admittedly, I was simultaneously live-blogging the Tenn. game) was how like Mauck and Flynn he was. Based on the abysmal attendance in the stands by the time Garrett got on the field, I’m guessing that’s the basis for his current upswell in support.

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by PodKATT on Mar 29, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lee

I remember a time when I felt like the only one on the internet who supported Lee. He took way too much blame for his freshmen season. That said, the kid seems so psychologically damaged by that trauma that I don’t believe he’ll ever be an effective starter at LSU.

And I really hope I’m wrong, because Lee is, quite frankly, inspirational in the way he has handled the jackals in our fanbase with extraordinary grace. He could have easily quit or transferred and no one would have really blamed him. I’m stunned he’s still on LSU’s depth chart as a viable option. But I worry about him in games. I don’t think he has truly recovered from the 2008 Bama game.

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by Poseur on Mar 29, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be the first to say

That Jarrett Lee took too much flack from fans, and even from his own teammates in 2008. But this:

I’m stunned he’s still on LSU’s depth chart as a viable option.

Is the God’s honest truth. He’s just not. He’s good in practice, but that’s it. If the Louisiana Tech game last season didn’t prove that to you, then there’s nothing left to say. Even on Saturday, against a rush that couldn’t actually hit him, he still threw more than a few passes off his back foot.

What’s worse is you can see that the other players on the team feel that way too. Maybe it’s unfair to Lee, but for whatever reason, the players always seem to be behind Jefferson more. Actually, it really isn’t really all that fair — but it’s the truth of the situation. The coaches can either deal with it or try to exacerbate the situation.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 29, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

I agree with this.

Even on Saturday, against a rush that couldn’t actually hit him, he still threw more than a few passes off his back foot.

Which was really disheartening, because I too think JL catches too much flak from the fan’s, and was hoping he progressed in that manner. Even Garrett was willing to step into some throw’s to deliver the football. The corner route to Russ stands out.

I was actually pleased with one of the things I saw from JJ though. Like the awareness to throw the ball away instead of eating a sack. If the sack total’s could have even been half of what they were… Oh the possibilities. Although he still shows the need to pout after a bad play.

The defense will be alright. Missing KS and DN was no minor role in being pushed around so much in the run game. I love the burst most of the lineman showed offof the snap, incredible. Lavar Edwards kind of disappointed me though. He still struggles with shedding blocks and keeping contain. Two things I’m not anxious to see out of anyone on the d-line this season. For the time being, I would not be enthralled at all if he was slated to start at either end spot on the depth chart. Sam and Chancey seem to do it for me.

All things considered, I came away pleased and excited for Fall practice. Whereas others are ready to mail in the season. I don’t get it… AI gets it though, HAHA.

Leave it to good ole AI to convey to everyone both the real and inflated importance that practice carries.

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Mar 29, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

What really pisses me off

Is half the people throwing in the towel on the boards, would be saying “it’s just the spring game,” if everything looked lights-out.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 29, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're..

the doom and gloomers man. I’m not even sure if they enjoy winning football out of this program. The only thing’s that concern them is the ability to say “we suck,” “how much we suck,” “how much we are going to suck,” and/or “how much we would not suck if…” and hoping for the ability to say how they were right.

Miserable people hoping for someone’s company think.

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Mar 29, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer the term "full of shit"

But you could also call them hypocrites. TD.com and the TigerSportsDigest board are full of ’em.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 29, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not "doom and gloom"

It’s that some fans would rather be right than have the team win. And they are doubling down against Miles. Because it’s all about proving you’re smarter than the coach.

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by Poseur on Mar 29, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with Billy on this one.

I was ready to punch people in 2008 for booing the kid. He was only a freshman (although a second year freshman). The kid deserved another shot, and I wasn’t going to poo-poo the coaches for giving him another shot.

That said however,…

He’s good in practice, but that’s it. If the Louisiana Tech game last season didn’t prove that to you, then there’s nothing left to say.

When your starting QB let’s La Tech outgain you by 100 yds, he’s not an SEC calibur QB. I don’t care how many stars are next to his Rivals profile. I still like the kid, and I’ll never boo him, but to say he should be starting over Jefferson is ridiculous. I don’t care how many great throws he makes in practice.

by LSU Jonno on Mar 29, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing I forgot to note

Not a single short-side option play called all game.

by Billy Gomila on Mar 29, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

That's because we were keeping it "vanilla"

No use tipping your hand by letting your opponents get film of your signature play

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Mar 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

The whole office just heard me laugh. The only thing that made me want to throw my TV off my balcony more than the short side option run was the Ole Miss debacle.

by Bob Barker on Mar 29, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shining beacon of progression from Crowton I believe.

Chris Tolliver looked good too. The WR’s are going to create nightmares for oppsing DC’s.

What's up Ryan? ARGHHHHHH!!! oops. ~ Patrick Chewing

by Mikeno on Mar 29, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also in the shining-beacon-of-progress department...

Did anyone see when Billy Gonzalez pulled Chris Tolliver aside after a first-half penalty and asked “WHAT THE F*** DOES THIS MEAN?” while holding up his fist? (I took this to mean Tolliver missed the formation/play signal from the sideline.) I have to believe the only time our previous WR coach ever said something like this is when the bank told him his check made out to “A. Hicks” hadn’t cleared.

Also, I fear to tread inside Average Bocephus McRantypants’s head, but the (admittedly on the less-insane end of the spectrum) members of the OMFGDISASTERZ crowd that I know are mostly freaking out because the passing game in the spring game looked suspiciously like the passing game from the 2009 season. Having said that, let’s say it all together again -“it’s just the spring game.” What’s more, if we’re taking spring game events as ironclad predictors of future events, I’ll take that run game any day (particularly when we mix in the non-vanilla (chocolate?) plays that are somehow more complicated but also plays that Jefferson is “really good at”).

by Hutchicus on Mar 29, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

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