Les Miles Is An Incompetent Moron
I've been meaning to write something like this, but Randy Rosetta beat me to the punch.
If I recall correctly, the season, while it had its share of disappointments and letdowns, wasn't horrible.
Those four losses came to teams that combined to go 47-7, win the BCS National Championship Game, the Sugar Bowl and Cotton Bowl and the Capital One Bowl.
Those same four losses were all competitive games, and LSU took the lead into the fourth quarter in three.
Last year was a disappointment, and there's no getting around that, but it's a sign of the program's health that 9-4 is seen as a disappointing year. It wasn't all that long ago that 9-4 was a pipe dream. But Les Miles is paid a lot of money, and he's not paid a lot of money to have a lead going into the fourth quarter. He's paid a lot of money to have a lead at the end of the fourth quarter.
It's a nice excuse to say Miles lost to some pretty good teams, and while that's true, it's also important to beat some good teams, too. I don't buy the Miles is a Moron meme anymore than I bought the Miles is a Crazy Gambler meme, but Miles can no longer trade on the goodwill of winning a national title. The subject of the exact temperature of Miles seat has been fodder for around the SEC media during these dog days of spring. The criticism has been especially harsh:
Now, everyone in Baton Rouge with a working brain has come to the same conclusion: Miles' first three years were due in large part to what Saban built and left behind. With Saban recruits, Miles went 34-6 with three straight top-5 final appearances in the polls.
I don't really put a whole lot of stock into anything Finebaum says because it's his job to write things like this. He's a professional agitator and let's be honest, he's good at it. It's just a mistake to go looking to one of his columns for logic, but I find this standard line to be especially annoying because of the new hammer with which to club Miles: LSU players under-performing in the NFL.
I'll let Rosetta defend Miles on this front.
The other thing is, name me a program that churns out players who all thrive at the NFL level. Miami had a pretty good run for a while, but there are not the kind of football factories that used to exist out there anymore, in large part because there are a lot more solid programs now.The biggest feeder programs for the NFL are easily recognized and LSU is prominent on the list.
None of them is hands-down dominant when it comes to developing All-Pros, though. Not anymore.
LSU produces plenty of players ready for the NFL Draft. If they're not ready to play when they get to the league, it's hard to fault their college coaches.
Or, to put it another way, was Spurrier a bad coach because his quarterbacks and receivers constantly bombed out of the NFL? Or is it Mack Brown's fault when Ricky Williams cares more about smoking pot than playing football? Maybe, maybe not. I don't really think so, but that's not what really gets me about this new storyline.
What bothers me is that when the players succeeded, they were "Saban's recruits", but when they failed, they suddenly are Miles' players. Well, which is it?
This seems to be the dominant theme of analysis of Miles' tenure at LSU. Anything good is attributable to someone else, usually Saban, and anything bad is because Miles is, as Finebaum says, a boob.
Honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Miles wasn't brining in top recruits, I'd understand the "winning with Saban's recruits" line, but Miles has proven to be a terrific recruiter in his own right. He's hauled in lots of heralded talent. I'd understand this line of attack a lot more if the talent pipeline had dried up under Miles, which it hasn't.
Miles was the coach for three years before winning a national title. He doesn't get any credit for coaching them up? It's all just reflected glow from the previous regime? Miles doesn't even get credit for winning while relying heavily on Jacob Hester, hardly a blue chip recruit (though his status as an unheralded recruit is rather overrated).
I just think people are so enthusiastic to jump on the Miles is a Moron bandwagon, that no one thinks about the essential disconnect inherent to the argument. Miles couldn't help but win with all of that incredible talent. But that same incredible talent couldn't make it in the NFL. Which is also Miles' fault.
I don't think Miles is above criticism. The offense was inexcusably terrible last season. The offensive line, supposedly a field of Miles' expertise, was the root of the problem. The team has fallen behind Alabama in the pecking order in the SEC West. And, yes, it is concerning that LSU boasts some high profile busts and a sudden drop in high draft picks this season (though, in fairness, LSU did have more players on NFL rosters than any other college last season, so LSU is doing something right).
I just think the criticism should be fair. If you're going to blame Miles for how his players do in the NFL, then you must give him credit for winning the national title with those players. You can't just count the bad things against him and ignore the positives entirely. That's just dishonest.
Les Miles is likely on the hot seat this year. He's paid too much money to not at least be contending for the SEC title. But we can't evaluate the Les Miles Era if we refuse to talk about it honestly*.
*EDSBS is obviously exempted from this. They should continue with their Miles is a Moron meme because they are really, really funny.
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If Michigan cans RichRod
I’ll be surprised if Miles is here next year.
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Agreed
I don’t think he can pass on it twice.
What's funny to me
About the “Miles fault for NFL failures” meme is I don’t hear anybody blaming Nick Saban for Michael Clayton or Marcus Spears.
Ironically, the 2 most successful LSU players in the NFL from this decade (removing future hall-of-famers Kevin Mawae and Allen Faneca) were DiNardo recruits — Randall Gay and Bradie James.
Hallman!!
And Mawae and Faneca were both Curly recuits. Obviously, the best coach in LSU history. Actually, I think Mawae might be an Archer recruit. Clearly, Archer is the standard by which we should judge LSU coaches.
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But in general
The world would be better off by just ignoring anything coming out of the mouth of Paul Finebaum.
It’s depressing how well his “DERP! lets piss off this fanbase today” shtick works. Or how well Glenn Guilbeau’s pulled off the homeless man’s version of it.
Fact remains
Program’s performance has dropped off in recent years so either the players aren’t as good as they once were (despite the high rankings of the recruits) or they are not being coached as effectively as prior groups were. Either way, the blame lies with Miles. I don’t care about the success-as-pros argument
For what it's worth
I’m not sure Miles will ever be discussed honestly. There’s a block of fans who will always believe he’s an idiot, regardless of what he does, just like there’s a block that will always say: Tommy Banks should have been getting 20 carries a game at LSU, Keiland Williams was the most talented running back LSU’s ever seen and should have become a first-round pick (never mind the Jacob Hester debate) or that Matt Flynn was clearly better than Jamarcus Russell.
I think it comes down to (and this really could apply to every argument in every genre) people believe that “having a right to an opinion” means that facts suddenly become subjective as well.
“I think it comes down to (and this really could apply to every argument in every genre) people believe that "having a right to an opinion" means that facts suddenly become subjective as well.”
Agreed. So many people think “I have a right to an opinion” means “I have a right to an opinion which you are not permitted to contradict.”
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on May 12, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate to say it, but this blog is in decline recently
Sure PodKatt had some early success, but that was only because of the writers Pittman left him.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on May 12, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
That's either hilariously ironic
or brutally honest commentary. I welcome both, though I hope it’s the 1st one.
Managing Editor/Chief Lackey-And The Valley Shook
I think you can safely take it as a joke
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on May 12, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Pittman recruit
So I don’t count for PodKatt. And I’m destined to fail when I turn pro. Which, of course, will be PodKatt’s fault.
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We get to turn pro?
I could really use the extra cash.
by Billy Gomila on May 12, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
They didn't tell you?
I’ve been working out at the SBNation combine. I’ve been getting some looks from some of the NFL sites, but i’m reluctant to hire an agent and lose my eligibility.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
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I assumed you all lived in separate rooms in the SB Nation mansion
a la playboy bunnies?
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on May 12, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but we do have a grotto
Or, this ditch we all hang out at when we write.
by Billy Gomila on May 12, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The SBNation masion...
The college wing is pretty crazy. Though the RBR guys are pretty pissed at me because I keep flushing the toilet whenever one of ’em is is in the shower.
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That'd just allow them
To claim a Cold Shower National Championship!
by Billy Gomila on May 12, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Somebody remind me
To stock up on holy water and crosses in case the Raiders draft me.
by Billy Gomila on May 12, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I am probably the only one that think we are going to win the SEC this year.
and I don’t care.
The Tigers will go into the season with a chip on their shoulders.
Tiger fans that think we’re going downhill are ingesting the crap that the media and opposing team’s fans are feeding us, and that’s not right. The media wants us to be dead. The rest of the SEC wants us to be dead. But just because they want us to be dead, and they say we’re dead doesn’t mean we’re dead.
I’m just praying that the team shows the resiliency that our fanbase seems to lack (and I admit I’m not perfect in this regard). Sometimes, I’m embarrassed to associate myself with these people. Is this how he goes through life?
“Ugh, my son just wet the bed for the fourth time. He’s probably never going to learn. Honey, call the adoption services.”
“Well, I got a C on this test, but I’ll probably get an F next time.”
My favorite story of the year: a woman in South Korea earned her driver’s license after 959 failed attempts. Never give up.
So let’s go out there and be the loudest, proudest Tiger fans we can be. Who’s with me?
*crickets
Oh well. As I’ve learned from experience, if you get the door slammed in your face, start kicking.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
You are not alone!
I think PodKatt and Miles get a bad rap.
The declines have both been temporary and precipitated by unforeseen personnel changes.
Screw what the media, the Gumps and the Rant think, it will just make it that much sweeter when LSU wins the west (and more) and ATVS owns the Tiger online debate for the next 52,345978 weeks!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
P.s.
as a walk on that doesn’t get much PT, I’m hoping to kiss up to PodKatt so I can start over the four scholarship QBs ahead of me!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Also, I don't think EDSBS has a "Miles is a moron" meme. It's more of a "Miles is really strange."
And it’s true. Miles is kind of a strange guy.
Supposedly, he wakes up at 5:45 every morning without an alarm clock no matter when he went to sleep.
He also had brain surgery which supposedly is why he talks funny. His speech tics annoy the crap out of a lot of people, and they probably drive sports reporters nuts. I find them extremely awesome. I just wish Miles’ twitter posts reflected his goofy nature a little better.
To put it simply, I defend the guy a little because I like the guy a lot.
Which is not to say that I blindly think he is the best coach in the nation nor am I extremely confident that he is the right coach moving forward. I think we’re going to be great this season, but if we’re less than great, I’ll think it will be time for him to move on and for another guy take over. That’s just the business, and if we have to force Miles to leave, I hope we treat him as classily as he has treated his own staff. But if we need to find someone else who can lead us back to the top, so be it.
But I really really want the man that leads LSU back to the top to be Miles.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
well said and reasonable in your concern
but right about the way he deserves to be treated by Tiger fans regardless!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
TAFFY!!!!
STILL stopping every few minutes to realize "Whoa. The Saints won the Super Bowl."
by AllSaintsDay on May 12, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
“His speech tics annoy the crap out of a lot of people, and they probably drive sports reporters nuts. I find them extremely awesome”
Me too! Sports reporters always complain about the boring quotes they get from 90% of coaches — “one game at a time, put out our best effort, blah blah.” ie, Mark Richt. Then you get folks like Spurrier and Leach who have no filter between their brains and their mouths, and the press excoriates them for not repeating the same boring pablum as the rest of the coaches. The reason coaches stick with the tried-and-true quotes is because they get hung out to dry if they say anything interesting.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on May 13, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
LSU has talent but a coach that shouldn't be counted on
for anything other than a few good ones and a few head-scratching losses
LSU has invented new ways to lose games….of course…the refs have found ways to GIVE you games too (ala UGA last season)
Really?
While the penalty against UGA at the end of the game was absolutely ridiculous, LSU won the game because UGA was unable to tackle Charles Scott. The refs didn’t give LSU anything. LSU took the victory.
by Displaced Tiger on May 13, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I seem to recall
There being TWO B.S. celebration calls in that game.
The better question is why Georgia couldn’t capitalize with a minute-plus left…
by Billy Gomila on May 13, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Alabama fans
I wonder if Alabama fans called the Bear an incompetent moron after the 1969-1970 seasons? The Tide went 6-5 and 6-5-1, respectively. They won 3 more NCs with that coach.
In the Curly era, 9-4 and 8-5 would have been a great success.
Point is no team, not even Alabama under the “Legend”, can win the conference every year. Look at poor Vandy – never won the conference. Look at poor Sewanee. Never won a conference game, although during 1890s-1900s they used to beat the snot out LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, etc. before there was a conference.

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