Hope Can Drive a Man Insane: A Prospectus on the 2010 LSU Offense
In the wake of LSU's first seven-game losing streak in baseball in...[too lazy to look up] well, a LONG time, let's move on to a topic on which we all have a much sunnier disposition...football!
Disclaimer: This post, I have to admit, has a lot of speculation. Some of that speculation is based on some observations from the Spring Game. That, of course, should be taken with a grain of salt. But this post over at Smart Football a few weeks ago got the gears a-turnin', so bear with me. Call it educated guesswork.
LSU's offense has been the subject of quite a bit of...shall we say hand-wringing in the last few months - featuring more than one battle royal between Poseur and myself. Nobody saw the 2009 struggles coming, and in the rush to assign the blame (and as well all know, the adult thing to do when things go wrong is find somebody to blame), there seemed to be a bit of confusion. Les Miles won't let Gary Crowton call plays! Miles is letting Crowton call too many plays! Crowton can't gameplan! The playcalling is too conservative (is the opposite of conservative liberal in this instance? I've always wondered)! Jordan Jefferson has no accuracy/pocket presence/ability to make decisions/[insert quarterback criticism cliché here]? The offensive line is too small! The offensive line is out of shape! Greg Studrawa is incompetent! Greg Studrawa is fat! Charles Scott is out of shape! Rueben Randle/Russell Shepard/[insert freshman] needs to be playing more! There, I think that covers the gamut.
But the truth, as it usually is in all things, is kind of in the middle of all of that. Everything was wrong (except the part about Coach Stud being fat -I'm certainly not in the position to comment on anybody's weight). The offense was this kind of amorphous blob of suck. In fact, you could kind of say that LSU didn't really have an offense, at least in the conceptual sense.
As Chris Brown put it back in January of 2008, a team's offense is the core group of plays that define it. Think the zone read for Florida (or the draw play back when Steve Spurrier was running things in Gainesville), the triple-option for Georgia Tech, the stretch play for the Indianapolis Colts, or, in the historical sense, the quick slant of the San Francisco 49ers and the power-O of the Washington Redskins.
In 2009, there was no real way to define LSU's attack. It wasn't pro-style. It wasn't spread or spread-option. And regardless of whatever changes come from a personnel standpoint in 2010, if there's going to be improvement, this amorphous blob of suck has to grow a backbone.
Now, you're probably sitting at home thinking "thanks for telling us what we already know Billy! So how's it going to change?" Well, that's where Billy Gonzales comes in.
The Tigers' new receiving coach was brought in with "passing game coordinator" as part of his title - typically just a title used to justify giving an assistant coach a few extra figures in his pay check. But, if my theories are correct, he may wind up doing more than just helping revamp things through the air. Gonzales may very well be helping LSU find an identity on the ground as well.
Watch the spring game again, especially the first two possessions.
Now, watch these cut ups of the Oregon offense and the Florida running game.
Oregon
Florida
Schematically, there are some small similarities, mostly in alignment. Watch for the way the backs line up in some of the shotgun plays - particularly off of the back of the quarterback's hip. It's a positioning common in both Urban Meyer's offense and the Oregon spread attack as well, which has certainly gone to the next level under Chip Kelly but has its roots in Crowton's style.
via coachhb.files.wordpress.com
The reason for the positioning is simple enough. By standing in that trail position with the quarterback in a six-yard shotgun instead of the usual seven, the running back's first steps on a run play are towards the line of scrimmage. It obviously helps create a more downhill-style running attack similar to the pistol formation - and combines that element of the pistol while still allowing for the spacing to run the customary zone-read play.
What exactly does this mean? It could (and I can't emphasize the "could" part of this enough) mean that Gonzales may be emphasizing the zone-read/veer dive (see the UF run cut-ups) as the constraint plays (read: backbone) that LSU's running game needs.
A constraint play, as Chris tells you in the prerequisite post, is designed to keep defenses honoring what you want them to honor. Have an athletic slot receiver that you like to get the ball in via screens or jet sweeps (such as Percy Harvin or Russell Shepard? Well, as we see in several of the plays in those videos, the zone-read or dive can give you the constraint needed to keep that player in favorable match-ups. Defensive ends or outside linebackers have to honor the interior run or the quarterback keep before they can defend anything else, creating extra reaction time that favors the offense.
Which brings us to the next person that could play a key role in an offensive re-emergence: Shepard. As much as Florida's offense was run through Tim Tebow's skill set, it wasn't the same efficient, big-play machine in 2009 without Harvin (as evident by an 8-point drop in points per game). There were other Gators who could run the ball well, and others who could catch it, but none that did both with as well as Harvin.
You could argue Shepard has already shown a similar importance. In 2009 LSU's total offensive yardage rose by 20 yards in the five games in which Shepard touched the ball five or more times. The Tigers scored their highest point total versus SEC competition in regulation against Auburn with help from six touches by Shepard. Nobody's ever denied that the guy is explosive as a runner. Even watching the Spring Game, for all the offense's struggles, the drives that featured a lot of involvement from Shepard went much smoother, whether he touched the ball or not.
This shift in offensive strategy, coupled with a more effective offensive line, could cover for an average passing attack very easily. It might not be pretty, and it might still be downright frustrating at times (see the 2009 UF attack), but effective nonetheless. The jury's still out as to whether Stevan Ridley or Michael Ford can provide the explosion of a Jeff Demps or a Chris Rainey, but they are bowling-ball types who, at the very least, will reach an effective performance level and provide a slightly different look from Charles Scott and Keiland Williams.
Additionally, the read/dive combo can be played off of in multiple ways - with play-action, screens and other quick passes that could allow for a more managed passing attack. Jordan Jefferson may never be the dynamic quarterback everybody wants, but he can operate efficiently in a well-managed attack. Statistically, the only substantial difference between Jefferson and Matt Flynn (as detailed here) was that one had double the production from his rushing attack - and with a full yard more per carry. Another player who could be key in this situation is Deangelo Peterson, who could fit this style perfectly as an H-back/motion tight end who can pull around for the occasional kick-out block as well as release out into the passing game, similar to Aaron Hernandez last year for the Gators.
Now, there are certainly holes in this theory. Neither Jefferson nor Jarrett Lee are option quarterbacks. And the option (be it spread, I-formation, flexbone, what have you) is not the kind of play that a quarterback tends to just pick up without a lot of practice. Making the dive, keep or pitch reads (or the occasional pass read) take a lot of repetition. But, if these plays do really become bedrock plays of the offense, you would expect those practice reps to increase. And what makes the option such a special play is that for most defenses, it only takes one or two quarterback keepers to force defenses to honor it - creating more room for the running backs. I'm also assuming that the offensive line takes a leap forward as well -- an idea that shows promise, but by no means is a given.
If I'm right, Gonzales (and to a lesser extent, running backs coach Frank Wilson) give LSU a little clarity in its offensive approach for this coming season. Or, maybe all of this is just be another Spring Game mirage. But either way, it's hope.
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First off, great analysis here. I’d never thought about Gonzales’ influence this way.
Second, as Spencer Hall could tell you, Crowton is the anti-Spurrier; he has a bizarre aversion to repeating successful playcalls. That said, Crowton’s constraint play of choice—from what I’ve been able to determine as a layman—has been a pass, not a run. Specifically short passes to our tougher receivers (LaFell and Doucet particularly), whether quick outs, hitches, outside slants, or screens. The screen to LaFell at the end of the Ole Miss game (or the bowl game, for that matter) comes to mind; going downfield would have been more logical, but Crowton seemed more comfortable with the short route.
Having said all that, do you think Gonzales is going to change Crowton’s constraint play/s? I’d certainly be fine with a basic power running play with a little more oomph than the inside zone we run (and we obviously need to improve our running game), but I tend to think that Crowton won’t ditch what he’s comfortable with. Although when I think about it, we ran a lot more pistol/shotgun for JoJo than with Flynn, so maybe I’m full of shit with this “Crowton won’t change” theory.
See and I would have agreed
About the short passing game being Crowton’s constraint — but that really wasn’t the case last year. LSU ran a few screen plays, but not a ton, and they probably ran the option about the same amount. I actually thought we got away from the pistol a lot last year, which was really frustrating because some of those running plays seem to work better.
In general, the run/pass ratio has been fairly balanced. But last year everything got totally out of whack, and there was this sense that there weren’t any constraint plays because there weren’t any that LSU executed really well (and when you have a real set of constraint plays, you run them into the ground in practice because you base everything else off of those).
The pistol
Seems to be the perfect formation when you want to run the I, but don’t have a fullback. In other words, you’re LSU in 2009. I agree it could’ve been used to more effect.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on May 3, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that also
Highlighted the offensive line issue. WIthout Herman Johnson and Quinn Johnson, the bulk and muscle to run power plays was no longer there. But between Ciron Black’s injury and Lyle Hitt’s…well…whatever went wrong with him, LSU didn’t have the athleticism to be a true zone-blocking unit either.
Neither Lee nor JJ are top-tier SEC QB's nor are their
clutch guys like Mauck or Flynn who get it done when needed
Thank you for your strong, well-supported input.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
by Jrlz on May 3, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh
I really hate to run down Flynn, but the Kentucky and Arkansas secondaries might question his “captain clutch” credentials.
Jefferson was actually more efficient last year.
by Billy Gomila on May 3, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
On the other hand
Alabama, Florida, and Auburn probably wouldn’t have a problem calling him clutch. I agree he played very bad in the Kentucky game, but in the 2nd half (and especially the 4th quarter) of the Arkansas game he played very well, and was definitely clutch. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that his two worst games were the two in which he was hurting the most. But I’m a big Flynn fan, so maybe I’m just extra biased.
I agree that Flynn was terrific in the clutch,
but Flynn wasn’t a nineteen-year-old.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
Really don't want to start running down Flynn
Because he was a good player. But he dug his own against Alabama with three TERRIBLE interceptions in the first three quarters of that game. He was HORRIBLE in the first half against Arkansas and then fell short on the comeback — no clutch points for almost. He had a nice game against Florida but that game was won on the back of Jacob Hester.
Look, Flynn was a good player, he had some clutch moments. But there’s this notion that he was an amazing clutch player that just isn’t backed up by what we saw on the field. Cut LSU’s run production in half that season and guess what type of quarterbacking you get — the same kind you had last year.
That’s not an insult to Flynn. He definitely played his role in 2007. But that’s the truth.
by Billy Gomila on May 3, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Basically, Flynn was clutch
except when he wasn’t.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on May 4, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's ignore Flynn
and talk about next year. Seriously, I’m worried that there isn’t a QB on the roster who knows the plays and can throw a consistently catchable ball (to our team) 20 yards down field without needing 7 seconds to do so. Watching the Spring game, I think we’ll be fine running the ball, but we have no balance. We’re not good enough to be a Felix Jones/McFadden running team, so I think we’re going to see a lot of last years painfully slow and inefficient drives. And it doesn’t look like we’ll be able to stop the run against teams like Bama. Fortunately, we can definitely stop the pass, but I’m afraid that’s not going to get LSU that many wins this year. Maybe against Florida?
That's my entire point
If what I’m saying is correct, balance will be easier to come by. It’s a whole lot easier to come by when you have constraint plays, you have something to work simple passes off of.
I’m not worried about the quarterbacks, so long as they are put in better positions.
And I would note
This
We’re not good enough to be a Felix Jones/McFadden running team
As good as Alabama’s backfield is, it’s not Jones/McFadden. That duo was so explosive it was almost like having a St. Louis Rams “Greatest Show on Turf” type of offense. I don’t know that we’ll ever see a running game that could generate big plays so easily ever again.
And don't forget about Peyton Hillis
Ridiculous RB corp
Used to perfection too
Behind a very good offensive line as well.
I always say those backs were so good, Houston Nutt finally just decided to take the quarterback out of the equation all together.
Remember when?
Remember when we used to all breathe a sigh of relief when Casey Dick (the, um, actual quarterback) was in the game?
That's what I'm saying Hutch lol
I don’t think Bo was relieved. He clearly was too scared to rush more than 3 with the game on the line lol…
I am the one who is doing the saying
Or maybe he was relieved . . . a little. . . too . . . relieved . . . .
Good analysis
A beefier O-line will solve most of the problems of this offense though. We saw what an undersized SEC Oline looks like last year.
This year we’ll have the privilege of watching an undersized D-line every week. Can’t wait to see how that works out for us.
Not really all that worried about the D
The secondary’s improved and undersized or not, the D-line HAS to be better than last year’s bunch.
the D-line HAS to be better than last year’s bunch.
God I hope you are right, I’m just not buying it. I haven’t seen or heard anything to justify that type of optimism.
What have you heard
To make you think they’ll get worse? The spring reviews were generally positive. I mean yeah, spring reviews generally are, but I don’t see how that’d make you think they’re getting worse? I’m not saying the d-line’s going to be 2007 caliber or anything, just improved.
by Billy Gomila on May 4, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I said they'd be undersized, and therefore we'd see a drop in effectiveness.
I’m going to make some assumptions so stay with me.
Let’s call last year’s “Starting Line”
Alem, Pep, Nevis, and Woods with Downs, Aghayere, Edwards, and Alexander getting a lot of PT.
That line listed in 2009, in order, at:
263, 269, 292, 311, 275, 263, 265, 298
Total weight of : 2236
Total Starter Weight of 1135
Ave per man: 280
Ave per starter: 284
This year,
I’ll call it Ken Adams, Nevis, Downs, Montgomery as starters with significant PT from Aghayere, Pep, Edwards, Brockers.
That line lists in 2010, in order, at:
252, 292, 275, 240, 263, 269, 265, 285
Total weight of: 2141
Total starter weight of: 1059
Ave per man: 268
Ave per starter: 265
Now these numbers are deceiving because it appears that LSU hasn’t updated player weights from last year, and who knows if those numbers are accurate anyway, but I think a 20lb per player decrease in bulk among starters is significant. If you run similar numbers on our Oline from 2008 to our Oline from 2009 you’ll find very similar numbers which is what I believe lead to the decline of our offense.
I’ll also point out that we have no clue who the starters will be save for Nevis so these numbers could change just based on the depth chart.
And thirdly, nobody has gotten a look at Copeland and Ferguson yet who may be beasts in their own right. (They are listed in the 290’s and 270’s respectively)
So yes these numbers are probably the worst of the worst but they may not end up being that far off. What should you take away from all this? Probably nothing, I’m not going to lie, I don’t really have a feel for how these numbers stack up on an absolute scale of SEC line weight, this is just a relative comparison to last year’s line However, given what we saw from our O-line last year, I think it is an area of concern…so you can think of this as err on the safe side, and if you see a football player give him a Twinkie.
Fair enough
But we’re going to have to agree to disagree that size is the problem. Size can be overcome with speed and technique — and I definitely think the former is improved. The latter, we’ll have to wait and see.
Plus I think this year’s crew will be deeper. Last year you essentially had, for most of the season, 3 guys rotating in at tackle (Downs was too banged up by mid-season), and really 4 guys for the 2 end spots. This year you have Nevis, Downs, Levingston, Davenport and Brockers inside and Aghayere, Montgomery, Adams, Mingo and Edwards. Plus whatever freshmen can crack the lineup, if any.
Again, not saying it’s going to be the best unit in the league, but I think there will be at least some improvement.
Size can be overcome with speed and technique — and I definitely think the former is improved.
Agree
Plus I think this year’s crew will be deeper.
Agree
I can make an argument that against spread teams we will be much more effective. But when we play some power rush teams like Arky and Bama I think we’ll be in trouble. Although, there are a lot of teams that are in trouble when you play Arky and Bama’s offense. Problem is if we drop those two games we are looking at a 3rd place finish in the West since we will likely lose one more SEC game to either Auburn, Florida or Mississipi State. Yeah, I went there.
Arkansas hasn't shown me
They can run the ball down anybody’s throat consistently and they could barely protect Mallet from LSU last year. Mississippi State’s lost too much talent for me to buy them as a threat.
Just can’t bring myself to be this pessimistic Jonno. You’re basically assuming everybody will improve but LSU. This team isn’t as far away as you think.
I think we'll improve on offense and hopefully stay constant on D.
Arky is going to be good. They played the toughest SEC schedule last year and they have the best returning QB in the league. We needed a late game drive to tie the game and win in OT at home.
I’m not optimistic about that game in Arkansas, and we’ll be a dog in that game.
I’ve written off the Bama game until Saban is no longer coach, and they’ll be favored.
Florida, we probably have a shot at though, they’ll be favored as well.
Auburn will be a pick’em.
We’ll be favored over UT, Vandy, State, and Ole Miss. I think that makes us 6-2 as a best case scenario, with 5-3 very likely if we win all the games we are supposed to and lose the games we are supposed to. One slip up against Auburn (which is away) and we are looking at 4-4 in conference.
I don’t see how UT will be that good next year, but guess what… La Tech wasn’t very good either and they outgained us by over 100yds at home.
If the offense improves and the defens is static
Then I absolutely don’t get how you can see four losses. We had three (regular season) with the same defense and an offense that was complete shit.
If the offense improves, it stands to reason the team will as well.
You stated, “If the offense improves, it stands to reason the team will as well”
…and yeah that makes a lot of sense. But you aren’t taking into account how ugly we won last year. We were outgained by Washington, Tech, State, and Vandy. If I wasn’t on an iPhone I’d look up the exact stats for you. I think we may have even been outgained by ULL.
My point is we won so ugly last year that I think this team could get dramatically better in statistical catagories and not really see it translate into many more wins. If any.
by LSU Jonno on May 4, 2010 4:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So if we won ugly before, and improve, it’ll translate to more losses?
I mean, I get pessimism I get (hell I could be wrong and we might not improve at all), but I don’t get this logic. A few plays are always going to be the difference in a few wins and losses — but that’s true no matter how good or bad a team is.
This team isn’t as far away as you think it is.
No way in hell we got outgained by U-La-La
"Tiger Stadium is by far the worst place to play for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum." - Paul "Bear" Bryant
by Chinese Bandit on May 4, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You are correct.
We had a dominating edge of 58 yds.
We were outgained by:
Washington by 157
State by 111
Florida by 185
Bama by 199
La Tech by 76
Ole Miss by 136
Arkansas by 49
Penn State by 97
We were outgained in 8 games and only lost 4. That is the bases for my statement that we could improve significantly in some areas and not see too many more wins…if any.
But
If the team does, in fact, improve, the chances of getting out-gained in 8 games again goes down quite a bit, wouldn’t you say?
Exactly...
But looking at last year’s statistics we could improve by 100yds per game and will have only “out performed” one team on this list that we lost to. Penn State, and only by 3yds at that.
You're just looking at the numbers in a vacuum
Usually if one team’s gaining more yards it has a general impact on the amount of yards the other team gains. Time of possession and all that. Had LSU’s yardage totals been higher in some of those games, the other team’s would have been lower because their offense would have spent less time on the field.
If LSU’s offense were to really improve by 100 yards PER GAME, the only way 8 teams could possibly out-gain them is if the defense regressed significantly.
I'm not looking at the numbers in a vacuum
I think you are parsing words and being a bit too legalistic just to keep this dragging out for no reason… Obviously if the offense gains more yards that changes the TOP which effects the other team’s play. Heck it effects the entire strategy of the game.
Plus, read my post again, I was talking about a net change of 100 yds, I wasn’t specifically talking about a gain of 100yds per game just on offense.
My point is justified, and the stats prove it. I think this team IS further away than you think.
I think it's a valid opinion
And you could certainly be right when all is said and done, but the stats you’re using don’t justify it at all.
You can’t talk about a net change in yardage numbers for one team and not factor in what such a change would do to the other team’s yardage. That’s just how football works.
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. LSU may very well BE farther away than I think. But I can guarantee that if this team has a better offense (i.e. more yards and more points per game) and approximately the same defense (i.e., top 30 nationally), its record WILL improve. Because the close games you’re factoring into your equation won’t be close anymore.
Dude, you still don’t get it.
You can’t talk about a net change in yardage numbers for one team and not factor in what such a change would do to the other team’s yardage. That’s just how football works.
I’m not talking about a net change in yardage for one team. I’m talking about a net change in yardage difference between both teams of 100 yds.
The stats and records that I pointed out support my theory 100%, the fact that you don’t understand it does not make it less relevant.
Nope
Because you’re still not accounting for how that net change would really affect teams in real-time terms.
You’re operating in a hindsight view that doesn’t account for how individual drive differentials would affect yardage totals in a game.
For example — say in one of those games an LSU drive gained 15 yards and resulted in a punt, and is followed by a 60-yard scoring drive by opponent X. If that LSU drive instead goes, say 40 yards and still results in a punt, that could significantly alter the yardage of the other team either negatively or positively. Maybe they start with bad field position and only manage to gain 20 yards or so and punt instead. Maybe they drive 80 yards and score. Maybe the exchange eliminates an extra possession at the end of a half. Maybe another score forces one of the teams to go into more of a pass mode to catch up and it results in more 3-and-outs.
You have to consider all these factors.
by Billy Gomila on May 6, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, you are still missing it.
I’m not adding 100 yds to LSU’s offense and forgetting how that would affect the rest of the game.
I’m talking at a higher level and just stating an improvement of the net difference in yardage gained by both teams in an LSU contest tilt’s LSU’s way by 100 total yards. Therefore I’m taking into account all of those little details you are talking about, without the specifics of how that improvement was made because it really doesn’t matter.
All I’m saying is that the net yardage difference could tilt LSU’s direction by an average of 100 yds per game next year due to improvement in whatever area of the game you wish to predict, which would give the appearence (and the reality) of a much stronger team over last year’s team. However, based on how ugly we won last year, that improvement may not translate into many more if any wins.
Example:
Instead of scraping by Mississippi State on a defensive touchdown, and a special teams touchdown, and a goal line stand, we may dominate that game statistically this year yet still only accrue the same “one win” just like we did last year. Same story for our OOC games this year compared to last year.
On the other hand, if we improve as team such that Bama outgains us by 100 yds less this year than they did last year, that still leaves Bama with a 99yd edge which still makes an LSU win unlikely.
Flynn
Seems to me LSU won in spite of Flynn at times, a testimate to how much talent was on that team, and lost because of poor play by Flynn at times. So how is it he’s still with Green Bay? Is there that much of a shortage of NFL QB talent? Or did I not fully appreciate a really solid college QB?
Well
There’s truth to the idea that there’s definitely a shortage of quarterbacks. But Flynn was a good one. He is sometimes oversold and mischaracterized (he was not a “game manager”)by some LSU fans, but let it not be said that he wasn’t a good player. Up and down at times, but a good player.
Thanks, Billy
It’s always nice to have a ray of sunshine (such as it is) in this long national nightmare between the NFL Draft and the start of Fall Camp.
I certainly hope that Coach Gonzales can bring even a fraction of the success Florida has had with its running game over the past three years. (Say what you want about Tebow’s throwing abilities (and they are demonstrably great), but Florida under Meyer is, at bottom, a misdirection run team. Tebow’s real ability was in his ability to successfully execute the reads that Meyer’s offense is built around.) Crowton’s offense is referred to as the “spread” by sloppy and overgeneralizing commentators, but it really has been no more than fairly unimaginative stretch plays run out of occasionally cutesy formations. Those same commentators have dubbed his use of Russell Shepard (or Richard Murphy in 2008) at quarterback as the “Wildcat” formation, but (other than one fairly embarrassing example in the Mississippi State game in which Charles Scott served as the jet sweep man), they’ve really just been the same plays with a different quarterback.
My fears, though, are these: Even if Coach Gonzales brings these concepts to our offense, our quarterbacks are, “phonically challenged,” shall we say. Why should we have any confidence that Jordan Jefferson can read a defensive end when he clearly (despite numerous “repetitions”) can’t run the option? Moreover, I’m just as happy as the next guy to poach a staffer from an offensive beast like Florida, but what do we really know about Coach Gonzales? We’ve heard that he “helped develop” Percy Harvin, but I haven’t really seen any evidence about how much of that was him and how much was Percy Harvin’s singular talent. So far, we know that his biggest accomplishment is being the 2nd place finisher in the race to replace Dan Mullen as Florida’s offensive coordinator.
That's just it
Why should we have any confidence that Jordan Jefferson can read a defensive end when he clearly (despite numerous "repetitions") can’t run the option?
I don’t think he was getting numerous repetitions at it before. Because the offense had no center, it tried to do too many things and did none of them well. Such as the option. It’s the kind of play you have to commit to running. I think Gonzales is bringing that.
I can't claim to be an expert on Gonzales' career
But I can tell you this — most Florida fans that I’ve talked to are NOT happy he was passed over for Steve Addazio as UF’s offensive coordinator. He was also one of their better recruiters. He did supposedly split some of the playcalling duties with Mullen in 2008.
And I can also tell you Miles tried to hire him when Todd Monken left for the NFL — but Meyer made keeping him around a priority.
I've heard that, too
But I always assumed it was from the UF-fan cousins of the BUT MILES OVERRULES CROWTON ERRRRRR CROWTON ERRR OVERRULES MILES ERRR BUT BUT JIMBO FISHER crowd. Also, if he was sharing playcalling duties (which I presume means Addazio wasn’t, unless there was some tawdry jump-pass love triangle going on), then it makes less sense why he was passed over. [Insert insensitive Urban Meyer health joke here.] (It couldn’t have been because of lack of productivity in 2008; that offense made legitimate SEC defenses look like Cumberland.) And I’m frankly not sure which way the fact that Miles wanted to hire him cuts.
You travel in more esteemed circles than I, though, so I’ll go with your sources (especially because they scratch my P&G [redacted for HIPAA purposes]).
Generally, I am hopeful that BG, maybe just by hanging like the sword of Damocles over Crowton’s head, will make him up his game and help him be a little more ruthless like Spurrier (which, by the way, isn’t something that should be totally foreign to Crowton – in 2007, everyone knew that Mariano Rivera was coming in for short yardage sitations and we still went with it). And specifically, I hope he brings the concepts you mentioned. (Beyond mere hope, I think it’s likely these things will happen.) But I just worry that the love for Gonzales is more an indictment of Crowton (and a desire for something, anything different and new) than well-founded optimism. Whatever the underlying substance, though, if we have to take Crowton as a given, I’d rather have Gonzales here than not.
Chris Brown
It’s probably common knowledge and has been mentioned here before, but Smart Football is required reading.
Billy
Great stuff – I agree with your general line of thought/hope.
I also think Crowton gets a little more disrespect (not by you) than he deserves.
There are fairly discernable reasons (as you pointed out) why the offense lost it’s identity.
Maybe he didn’t adjust well but I’ve got to think he has it in him. Prior to last year as a D1 OC or HC he produced 31.58 PFA, including a few years where he averaged near or greater than 40, to think he just suddenly forgot how to coach does not compute for me.
I think the new blood (BG and FW) plus a better Oline will do wonders for this offense but Crowton will still be the architect and (I think) I’m ok with that.
On D, I think we will be incredibly fast from front to back and despite losing a little bulk up front we will be more aggressive and even stingier than last year.
I think you’ll see a lot more hurried passes from Qbs that will have to make quicker decisions, that will lead to a lot more turnovers and in general the D will be one of the best in the country, IMHO.
The schedule is brutal but oddly manageable.
All in all, I think the stars could line up for the Tigers and we could shock the world.
At worst I think 10-2 in the Sugar Bowl or Cap One (again) but a great season none the less and LM will be the NCOTY.
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I'm not a Crowton fan
He earned his criticism last year. I’m just wondering if maybe the new blood will help him get things turned around…
Crowton
His history of sharp offensive declines at both Oregon and BYU from Year 1 to Year 2 to Year 3 has repeated itself at LSU. That is quite unsettling.
Very True
The closest thing to a silver lining to that is that he’s never stayed anywhere beyond a third or fourth year — so he’s never been anywhere long enough to pull out of a decline. See the headline right?
But, if Gonzales and Wilson really do have an impact, I think that might nudge things back in a positive direction. Of course, as I’ve been saying, it may be a big “if.”
I am also taking some hope. . .
. . . from the fact that Crowton has been willing to mesh his philosophy with another (ex-)coordinator’s in the past. Crowton was very vocal when he arrived in 2007 about incorporating a lot of Jimbo Fisher’s terminology and scheme. (Query to what extent that actually happened, though, beyond adopting the sacred rite of getting Jacob Hester touches, given the diversity we saw even as soon as the second game of the year.) He might not be as willing to do so now might be different (since it would be for the sake of avoiding a transition out rather than facilitating a transition in), but it at least shows that it’s possible.
That is frankly an Urban Ledgend
He improved every year at La Tech and his first year at BYU was insane followed by two bad years but a forth year 8 point improvement.
Oregon’s second year was down by 5points (still 30ppg) but you might remember he lost Dixon.
The following year when he was guiding our MOST prolific offense ever, Oregon was running his offense WITH Dixon and was probably the second best offense in the country that year.
The only ‘trend’ was at BYU and then here but I don’t think it is this unbreakable curse of falling production; it’s just the way the balls have bounced but the guy is not an idiot…
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Crowton
I think Dixon was hurt the year after in 2007 (when Chip Kelly took over as OC). I believe Crowton played both Brady Leaf and Dennis Dixon in 2006.
And why would Chip Kelly run Crowton’s offense in 2007? How does that make any sense? Wouldn’t a new OC (or DC for that matter) want to install his own scheme, put his own fingerprints on a team? Sure they might use similar terminology as the previous guy did, but that’s probably about it. Oregon’s prolific 2007 offense with Dixon (a QB that Crowton benched for a Leaf) is an indictment of Crowton as an OC, not a testament to how good he was.
Even by your own stats, Crowton’s offenses have been better than the year before only once in his career post Chicago. Good 2001 at BYU followed by worse years in 2002 and 2003. His 2004 BYU team scored 24.4 points. Scored 34.5 ppg in 2005 at Oregon and 29.5 in 3006 while playing musical QB with Brady Leaf and Dennis Dixon (who was a Heisman contender in 2007 under Chip Kelly). Great 2007 to start his career at LSU followed by weaker 2008 and (hopefully) bottoming out in 2009.
It’s a disturbing trend if you’re an LSU fan.
Not to get into defending Crowton
But Kelly’s offense and Crowton’s are very similar — which was part of the reason Kelly was hired for that job.
Just noting.
I may be off on the timing of the (college) career ending injury
but I remember Oregon struggling in a few games in 06 due to the QB situation. Regardless, the 5 point drop off wasn’t some abysmal cliff dive and yes, the 2007 Oregon offense (and the one they’ve been running ever since) is basically a knock off of what Crowton was running.
I don’t really know the details of the decline at BYU as I never really followed the mormons but he improved La Tech EVERY year he was there (and is actually the best coach La Tech has ever had) so to say he only improved year over year once is completely inaccurate. (and not what I said)
Actually the ‘trend’ is quite different, let’s examine, shall we?
29.09 > 31.90 > 33.09 > 41.08 > 44.38 < 22.66 < 16.03 > 24 > 34.5 < 29.46 > 38.64 < 30.92 < 24 (bold indicates an improvement for Crowton over his previous year)
So in his career as an OC or HC at the D1 level he has improved over the previous year eight out of thirteen years and has only had two sub 24 point years (both at BYU). On the other hand, he has put up seven 30+ season and a couple of 40+ years (which includes our greatest offensive year in history)
Some bitter BYU blogger prophesied that LSU would go down in it’s second and third years under Crowton and it has been rehashed on LSU boards over and over for the last two years so now it is ‘accepted’ that Crowton is a one hit wonder, I just don’t buy it.
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I was lazy and couldn't find LaTech stats quickly so I didn't include them ...
And I wasn’t comparing Crowton’s first year at a new job to his last year at the previous job (e.g. comparing 2007 LSU to 2006 Oregon). The argument is that at each of his last 3 jobs, Crowton has an excellent offense his first year, only to post declining numbers in the successive years. Only once (year 4 at BYU) has that not happened.
Anyways, my perception was that CKelly runs more option at Oregon than Crowton did. I don’t get to see too many Oregon games so I could definitely be wrong. Heck I hope I’m wrong with this whole argument and LSU posts much better numbers.
The playcalling is different
And Kelly incorporates more man blocking — pulling and trapping guards — than Crowton. But they’re still very similar.
You can't just 'lazily' exclude La Tech
If you are going to establish a pattern then look at the record.
He got better EVERY year at La Tech and a five point drop off to 30 points a game at Oregon does not fit ‘the trend’ either so really you only have two down years at BYU and two down years at LSU.
That’s basically 30% of the time (even if you include Oregon it’s still 30ish) he has declined from his own previous year’s production. That is NOT a trend.
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Trend or not
If he doesn’t pull the offense up to a more respectable level it doesn’t really matter, he’ll be gone anyway.
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by Chinese Bandit on May 7, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m pulling for him and hoping (expecting) a top 20 offense, we certianly have the talent for it and I personally think the coaching can/should be as good as it was in 2007.
If not then out the door he goes and I will eat ‘the trend’ crow.
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I'm not sure
It can get up into the top 20…but Alabama did just fine last year with the 42nd-ranked outfit.
The key is to just become a more consistent bunch.
Agree
Top 20 was my way of saying we have the potential to be a very potent offense, were it ranks doesn’t matter if we cosistent, as you say, and put points on the board.
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Let me just say
I’m really glad people read the post and had some good discussion on this. Actually having real discussions like this is so much more productive than just screaming at each other on Tiger Rant.
I wish more LSU fans would avoid the screaming.
ATVS > The Rant by Leaps and bounds
I’M JUST SAYING!!!!
P.s. A lot of those screamers and pot stirring ‘fans’ on the Rant are really just Gumps in disguise punking the rant. Some of them can’t truly be LSU fans if you read the crap they post.
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Agree
Discussions like this are indeed so much more enjoyable and also educational than the alternative. Even SouthernMan was civil.




























