Dear Aggies,
by Poseur on Jun 11, 2010 9:23 AM CDT
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Hi, it's Poseur. You may know me from this piece, in which I argued that the SEC should add Texas A&M and not Texas. But, looking at the blog, it focused more on what is good for the SEC, and LSU specifically, and not what's good for Texas A&M.
Now, the Texas blog has already made the case for y'all to just keep following the Horns wherever they go, like a good little lapdog. Please, by all means, go read it now. You back? OK, now ask yourself this question and answer it honestly, "Do they really seem like they have your best interests at heart?" If you think so, by all means, hitch your wagon to Texas and continue to live your lives as Texas' Little Sister. I wish you well.
BUT... if you think that maybe, just maybe, A&M blindly following Texas wherever they go is what is best for Texas and not what's best for A&M, please at least hear me out. I can't pretend to know what's in your hearts and I'm not going to say that if you make the wrong decision, it will bring you nothing but ruin. You have one of the largest endowments in the country, a fanatical alumni group, and are a historic top 25 program... I think whatever you do, you'll be fine. Everyone is offering you sacks of cash, so you'll get a financial windfall regardless of what happens. This is about what's best for you.
First and foremost, we want you. We don't want Texas, we want you. What other conference can say that? If you go to the Pac-10 or the Big Ten, you're going as the tagalong to Texas. Those conferences want Texas and are willing to put up with you to get them. Is that what you want? To be merely tolerated? To be viewed as the school they were forced to take so they could add Texas? You think the little brother comments are bad now, what happens when you're in essentially a foreign conference?
You are one of us. You already have built in rivalries with LSU and Arkansas. Trust me, if you join the conference, this might be the last time we're nice to you. We can hate like no one else, but at least we give you food and beer as well. You're linked to Mississippi State through Jackie Sherrill and Alabama through Bear Bryant and even LSU again through Dana Bible. You're fanatical about football, just like us. You care deeply about tradition, just like us. Outsiders think you are a cult, just like us.
Texas talks a lot about academics, and I think they are lying about that, but it's not like we're all a bunch of uneducated hicks. We've got a bunch of Tier One universities (yes, including LSU) and we have even entered into a co-operative arrangement among the member schools. And many of the schools are interested in the same things you are: Agriculture and Mechanical. What other conference can offer you so many fellow ag schools? LSU, Auburn, Mississippi State... the whole western division knows its way around a farm or an engineering worksite. Sharing research with Berkeley or Ann Arbor sounds great in theory, but what are they going to share with you regarding your mission of, well, Agriculture and Mechanical? We take the "A&M" seriously around these parts. How will academic sharing with liberal arts schools truly benefit your academic mission?
And let's not pretend your endowment is going to go away. That's just silly. The oil and gas wells which fund those Texas endowments tend to be on land owned by Aggies, not Longhorns. If anyone should be worried about getting cut off from that sweet, sweet oil cash, it's not you. I'd also point out that in order to keep you in line, Texas is making all sorts of threats: that they won't play you anymore or that they will try and take away your endowment. Does that sound like someone who really cares about A&M?
Finally, it's been a rough decade for the Aggies football team. I'm not going to lie to you, the SEC is a tough conference. Everywhere you look, there is a proud program that has a history of winning. Just about everyone expects championships. You're not going to waltz in here and suddenly go 11-0. But that doesn't mean playing in the SEC can't turn your program around. Right now, it's tough for A&M to recruit against Texas because there isn't a whole lot of differentiation other than your traditions and the fact Texas wins a lot. Anything you can offer a recruit, so can Texas. But if you were in a different conference? You could offer something Texas couldn't: the chance to play in the greatest football conference in the nation. While those Longhorns will be making roadtrips to the west coast, you'll be able to stay in your own region. You can sell quality and proximity. Most importantly, you could sell recruits on something different. Because selling them essentially the same thing is clearly not working.
I'm not going to lie, my motives are selfish. We want your media markets. We crave all of those eyeballs. We desire your huge endowments and your massively loyal alumni base. This is a business, and we want you because you can make us more money. I think you fit culturally, but so does Clemson, and we aren't really going after them. We're going after you. Because we benefit as well.
I'm trying to be honest with you. If you don't want to join, that's perfectly fine. Have fun making that road trip to Oregon. You're going to make a lot of money regardless, and you really can't make a wrong choice. But there is one conference in which you can assert your independence and be welcomed as an equal, not as unfortunate stepchild to the true prize, and that's the SEC. You're already one of us. Just make it official. Come home.
Love,
Poseur
PS - I'm not kidding. If you join, this is the last time we'll be nice. Because if you ain't a Tiger, you're Tiger Bait.
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Expansion doesn't excite me..
but I must admit, you make a GREAT case that adding A&M would help both sides. It wouldn’t even do any damage to the regionalism that used to drive the conferences.
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by Richard Pittman on Jun 11, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions
My druthers...
I prefer we don’t expand, but I think that expansion may be inevitable and if we don’t expand now, the SEC is going to be scrambling to add some programs we don’t really want. I hate the timetable, but life is like that. You can’t get everything you want.
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When it was just the Big 10
I wasn’t worried. But if there’s no Big 12 anymore, then I think eventually our hand’s going to be forced.
by Billy Gomila on Jun 11, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The Pac-16 is driving this
You can’t have a conference with 3 of the best programs of the last decade and all those TV markets without doing something to counter. While I don’t think we can grab a team of Texas’s quality, I think a&m would help us enrich both our quality (by the traditions that Poseur points out) and our revenues by the TX TV markets.
If the pac-16 wasn’t happening, we could stand pat but we have to make some kind of move and a&m is at the top of the SEC’s list.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Jun 11, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
But why?
Why do we have to counter? If we’re happy making X number of dollars, how does it hurt us just because our neighbor is making 2X dollars? We’re still making X.
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by Richard Pittman on Jun 11, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Money
Part of the SEC’s dominance is that we spend more and make more than any other conference. We can even draw recruits from other parts of the country to play in our super conference. If our monetary advantage slips, the quality of football will start to slip as well.
Unfortunately, we’re in an arms race.
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We're in an arms race
for TV money.
The SEC supports it’s programs with season tickets, merchandise, donations like no other conference. TV money is a part of the pie. There’s no worse thing you can do than expand just b/c everyone else is doing it. It has to be the right schools with the right fit at the right time.
Agreed to an extent
But you don’t think the facilities and coaching salaries in the Pac-11 or Pac-15 or whatever and the Big 10 + 2 are going to stay where they are, do you? That’s why we have to keep up.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
None of this sits right with me..
We have to keep up.. so we don’t fall behind.. so we don’t fall behind further. I’ll tell ya, I like the idea of adding A&M. I’m convinced. I like the idea of adding another southeastern school. The idea of doing this just to keep up with an escalate money-begats-facilities-begats-coaches-begats-recruits-begats-winning-begats-more-money war makes me want to chuck the whole thing and find something else to do on Saturdays.
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by Richard Pittman on Jun 11, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
If the Pac-16 deal goes down, I think a few years of the travel expenses will have Texas rethinking the SEC anyway.
The problem is...
if we add one team, we HAVE to add a second, otherwise the divisions are unbalanced. Who would be the second? I say GT, a traditional SEC school anyway. If we’re going to add 4, the third should be Clemson. We would really corner the market on Ag schools then. But then we’d need a 4th, and that would be (????)
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by Richard Pittman on Jun 11, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions
Va Tech
because it’ll be a cold day in hell before UGA and GTech are in the same conference again
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If you listen to DawgSports
Honestly? I think T Kyle and friends are a little scared of GT, which is why they put them down so much.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe
i wish i could find it, but The Mayor had a great piece a few months ago that clearly laid out the bad blood between those two programs.
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That sounds like a good reason for them to be in the same conference
Isn’t the whole point to have rivals?
T Kyle acts exactly the opposite – “Oh GT? I don’t even notice them or pay attention. I’m only REALLY concerned about Auburn, because we first played them in 1872 so they’re our real original rivals.” Sure dude.
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
to be fair to Kyle
the reason I saw him give for not adding G-Tech to the SEC is b/c UGA already delivers the Atlanta television market, and whe you expand, you want new television markets you don’t already have
Plus
The SEC has Atlanta already. GT adds nothing of value.
If they don’t bring a TV market, they ain’t comin’. Repeat this with me folks.
by Billy Gomila on Jun 11, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Well said Poseur.
I’d like Va Tech to be the second team we add.
They’ll add more TV sets plus their our recent games with them have been awesome.
A&M’s fans really seal the deal for me. Those guys are every bit as delusional as us SEC fans.
Oddly enough
Today I’ve seen reports that the SEC is also courting Oklahoma. If the SEC gets Oklahoma & Tex a&m, that’d be one hell of an expansion. Would make the Pac-16 essentially USC, Texas & friends.
http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/2010/6/11/1512680/ou-to-sec-rumors-growing-stronger#storyjump
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Jun 11, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
No idea if the rumors have any basis
But it’s an interesting thought
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by Mikethetiger on Jun 11, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I never gave OU much thought
It would make for an interesting expansion.
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You have a few options
A 14-team conference would be pushing schedules enough as it is, but let’s say there’s a hypothetical scenario where we add Texas A&M in the West and Clemson in the East. That puts you at 14. What if you want 16?
East (in no particular order):
1) Miami: This is a proud program with a history that also produces its share of pros. You could make the in-state rivalry with UF a higher stakes affair because you now have the SEC East.
2) Georgia Tech: This is almost a no-brainer. They used to be in the SEC and you get access to the Atlanta market. Then you have the potential for a higher stakes in-state rivalry with UGA.
3) University of South Florida: You don’t have to raid the ACC to get a big Florida school. USF nets you Tampa and like the Miami argument, you could really promote that in-state rivalry.
4) Florida State: See arguments for Miami and USF.
5) Louisville: I consider this more of a dark horse candidate for expansion. But consider that Louisville is the largest city in Kentucky and it suddenly makes sense despite a smaller enrollment than some of the schools that I mentioned.
West (in no particular order)
1) Missouri: It has a large endowment and a large enrollment. Geographically, it’s probably going to head for the Big 10. It’s still an interesting target for expansion.
2) Baylor: Waco isn’t a large market and Baylor is probably going to end up in a minor conference if the Big 12 implodes. This is worth a look.
3) Texas Christian: If you’re willing to consider Baylor, look at TCU as a possibility for expansion.
4) Louisiana Tech: Why in God’s name would I suggest this? In fact, forget I did it.
5) Houston: Welcome to a choice that would actually make sense. Getting Houston on board while having Texas A&M could promote an in-state rivalry in Texas.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
USF is intriguing. Hadn't thought of it, but it fits in the SEC more than Miami does
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Tampa is a market some people don't think about sometimes
I visited the area years ago and I even took in a Rays (then Devil Rays) game at Tropicana Field in St. Pete. USF is also a big geographically isolated from the Big East. I don’t think it would take much convincing for USF to leave the Big East and join the SEC especially if UF gets on board with it.
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Honestly the best term I can put it in
Is that if your state already has one SEC team, don’t bet on getting a second.
by Billy Gomila on Jun 11, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't get the academic argument either
Like if a aggy professor wants to do a joint research program with an Ohio St professor, is the OSU guy going to say “LOL no way I only do research with professors from the BIG TEN.”
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
The academic argument
Much like communism, is a red herring.
Prize for those who get that reference.
by Billy Gomila on Jun 11, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
1+2+1+1
Not 1+2+2+1
Now I’m gonna go home and sleep with my wife.
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Big 10
To their credit, they do have an academic alliance second to none. But it’s not like funding will dry up if you join the SEC. Also, it’s also a matter of what you’re researching. A&M is an ag and engineering school. So are we. Most of the research A&M wishes to conduct will be with other A&M schools. It’s that whole mission of the university thing. And I find most of the academic arguments are code to say “Southerners are stupid”, which I find plainly offensive and not worthy of comment.
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If its engineering grant money
You’re interested in, I believe some sort of event happened on the Gulf Coast recently that may draw some grant money to study.
At least I thought I heard about something…
by Billy Gomila on Jun 11, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
“And I find most of the academic arguments are code to say "Southerners are stupid", which I find plainly offensive and not worthy of comment.”
I feel exactly the same way. It’s one thing when legit schools like Northwestern and Stanford bring up the academic argument. It’s another to hear Illinois and Indiana brag about the Big 10 strict standards, like the average SEC student simply couldn’t hack it at the University of freaking Indiana.
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
As an Ole Miss alum
I’m not prepared to agree with or like anything an LSU fan has to say. But this is great. Rec’d.
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by ElectricDreamMachine on Jun 11, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions
You think it was easy saying nice things about A&M?
My first LSU game was LSU-A&M. I’m related to Aggies. I live in Texas and am surrounded by Aggies. It hurts to admit they are a great school, a great program, and a worthy addition to the SEC. I will wipe this post from the archives when no one is looking…
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LMAO
Mine as well. I couldn’t begin to tell you what year, but I remember the aggies ran the opening kick off for a touchdown and beat us handily. And I’m fully with you on this. The aggies belong in the SEC. Not blowing trannies in San Fran with their gay brother from Austin.
by Big McLargeHuge on Jun 11, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
first game as a freshman at A&M was LSU in 1995
Leeland McElroy went crazy on y’all, but y’all had this true freshman running back named Kevin Faulk who did a number on our defense.
I welcome another team to hate.
Can never have too many.
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by ElectricDreamMachine on Jun 11, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If A&M joined the SEC they would immediately become my most hated team
PROBABLY. Although Bama would give them a run for their money. On one hand you have a bunch of guys in crewcuts yelling and pretending to be in the army, on the other you have 3,000 identically dressed fraternity brothers with Brodie Croyle haircuts. It’s a close call indeed.
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
A buzz cut is better than bama bangs anyday
the union barber shop taught me that.
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Aggies to SEC!
The last couple of weeks I have been really excited at the thought of A&M joining the PAC-10. I am an Aggie Alum now living on the west coast and thought this move would be a great move for Texas A&M and the rest of the Big 12 to move into this new conference.
However, the last 2 days I think that the Ags should re-think following everyone into the PAC-10. I am now confident that the Aggies should indeed join the SEC and let UT (Texas) go into the PAC-10 alone. The rivalry between our schools will continue and I cannot imagine that we would stop our annual Thanksgiving Game. But from a recruiting stand point the Aggies only stand to benefit by parting ways with Texas.
I was in school at A&M from 89-93 and we played LSU 4 years in a row the first game of the season. I have been to several LSU games and LOVE this rivalry.
It’s time to go our own way and get off the porch. Playing FB in the SEC is only going to elevate the Aggies team and bring us back to a national prominence. The quality of teams in the SEC is FAR better than what would move into the new “Trojan-Horn 16 Conference.”
Think of it this way
When A&M goes out of state for recruits, do you go for kids from Louisiana and Florida or from California?
Whatever the answer is, that’s the conference you should join.
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
We've been hitting up Louisiana alot lately for recruits
Yes, joining the SEC could be really tough for us, but if we are serious about getting Nat’l Championship caliber teams, SEC football will draw recruits. Splitting away from the shadow of OU and tu will also do a good bit to help us recruit the top teir talent in Texas. We honestly only need to draw from that pool to be succesful (just like tu does). We still have to find a way to be respectable in the SEC before we can be considered a school to go to besides tu, but its going to be hard to catch up to tu if we are in the same conference as them, especially them +OU as it looks like OU will just follow them around.
Also, I know the former students and current student body would be energized by a move to the SEC, all the rivalries, tradition and passion fits right in with A&M culture. Kyle Field is an SEC home field. I hope we go to the SEC. I also dont mind sticking it to texas.
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One more reason: it screws Texas
We all know that the Aggies love nothing more than sticking it to the Longhorns, so I should add there is the added benefit of screwing Texas over. If A&M goes to the SEC, one of two things happens:
ONE. Texas goes to a different conference, weakened politcally in their new digs because they lost a loyal A&M vote.
TWO. Texas follows A&M to the SEC over the expressly stated wishes. Meaning that the Aggies would be shwon to be the school with the bigger clout and that they brought Texas along with them, not vice versa.
Either way, the Ags get a little bit of spiteful ownage of the Horns.
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Personally, I think the threat never to play TAMU in anything ever again is awesome..
You think rivalries are bitter when teams are playing, they’re spectacular when teams are refusing to play one another because of a perceived slight. That would ESCALATE their rivalry, not dampen it.
All in all, UT going to PAC and TAMU going to SEC could be the best thing for both of those schools.
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by Richard Pittman on Jun 11, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of which
Reminds me of us not playing TAMU anymore… would be great to renew that.
by Big McLargeHuge on Jun 11, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
if we move to the SEC and they move to the Pac-10
and they make good on their threat to never schedule us again for any sports, all the games this coming year in all sports against texas will become absolute bloodbaths. No one will want to leave the rivalry having lost the last game.
I'm with Richard
I agree with Richard – I don’t want the SEC to expand. The SEC is the most important conference now by far – even if the PAC 10 goes to 16 – LSU still would have a conference just as top heavy. Look at the last decade of performance by Florida, Bama, LSU, Auburn and GA vs USC, Oregon, Texas and OU – I’d take the SEC in that anyday.
Moreover- I think the 16 team idea is bad from a competitive standpoint within the conference. If you divide into two divisions of 8 – that’s 7 games a year in your division and 1 or at most two a year with the other division. Everyone wants at least 3 games of their own to schedule patsies or 1 big non-conference game. Most want 4. Why would we want to be in a conference where we played one half of the conference teams just once every 8 years? And if we stayed with the home/away tradition (i.e. one year at LSU, one year at UF) – we could go 14 years without playing a team in the east. You’re practically not in the same conference.
The SEC has a great TV deal and can afford to stand pat for a few years to see how things shake out. Even if the PAC 16 ends up happening – it might not work. Same with the Big 10 (or whatever the heck they’re going to call it.).
But if the SEC has to expand – I agree with Poseur. I hate A&M with a passion – and I don’t even remember when LSU and A&M used to play – it’d be a great rivalry and they’d add to the conference in terms of $ and competitiveness. I see no real benefit from adding GA Tech or Clemson – though they are good schools. VA tech is a maybe – but I’m doubtful that it would really help $ wise. I think their relationship to the DC market is probably substantially overrated. USF is interesting – it’d be a really gutsy move – counting on USF to improve substantially in academics and all athletics over the next few years. If it worked – great, if not, they could be a real drag. And it’s not like the SEC east needs more patsies (looking at you Vandy and Kentucky).
BTW – love the blog guys. I’ve lurked for a couple of years but never really posted. All the extra action the last couple of weeks has been great.
Patsies?
What are you talking about? It is the rest of the SEC that cannot compete with us (UK). Take a look at our number 1 class coming in for the second year in a row and tell me…wait football? what sport is that? Seriously though, you don’t remember that October 13th 2007 game in Lexington? Talk about patsies = )
1. our hand is being forced
I don’t want the SEC to expand and love it the way it is. But because of circumstances, the SEC has to make some moves.
2. I would love to grab A&M. The reasons are well established and already discussed.
2a. The arrogance of Texas is astounding. Go to a Longhorn board. They are eaten up with unfounded hubris.
3. I say, as I’ve said before, that we grab Mizzou. Then we kick Auburn’s sorry ass to the East. It’s easy and it adds even more tvs. Otherwise, we have to try really hard and promise too much shit to someone like VT. I’d be ok with that too in the end. A&M and VT.
But 14 is more than enough at that point. Bringing in A&M and some other intelligent choice improves the SEC in competitive quality, tvs, power in terms of money for contracts and revenue. And improving the SEC insures that the best gets better.
Let the PAC10 have Texas. This is merely a play for them to replace their doomed leader (SC) with another, nothing more.
Fourteen teams is plenty
I think when you start talking about sixteen teams or even a dreaded eighteen team conference, it just throws too many wrenches into the scheduling. Seven teams in each division is a bit much, but it’s better than eight. If we ever went to a sixteen team conference, we’d either have to do two eight-team divisions or four four-team divisions. I don’t know what’s worse. At least the NFL has sixteen games to play with in its schedule so the members of the four-team divisions play each other for half the games on the schedule. Increasing the number of games just wouldn’t work for the NCAA.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
If..
major college football (by proxy major college sports in general) goes the route of 4-6 16 team super conferences then there would most likely be a break from the NCAA, and a forming of their own league with added games to the schedule.
Texas
I like to poke fun at Texas arrogance, but it was more of convenient bit than anything else, but this last week really has revealed a truly ugly side to Texas. I truly view them as the villain here, and I think BON’s lecture to A&M was beyond arrogant. Really, the “Southerners are stupid” talk is coming primarily from Texas. And, yes, I’m taking it personally.
If Texas ends up in the SEC, i will welcome them, but I will never, ever trust them. Texas only cares about Texas. They are completely disinterested in having a partnership with anybody, it appears. And this is why we don’t kick out Mississippi State. 100 years of tradition counts for something. They are a founding member of the SEC, and we’re not going to push them under a bus just because they are having a rough decade. I absolutely oppose kicking anyone out of the conference.
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I think Bean wrote that in response to my piece about how A&M might be the big prize in expansion
I still find the whole premise preposterous.
Go to the Big Ten while we go to the SEC, have fun with that. I hope you cling tightly to those CIC dollars while we stomp you in football.
Out of curiosity
How long is the SEC tied to Mississippi State? I don’t think MSU is adding much of anything to the conference (except for fun discussions of cowbells). I would think it would be awesome to stay at 12 teams and just replace MSU w/ texas a&m but I don’t know if that’s possible due to contracts (and I don’t know if Ole Miss would fight to keep its little brother in).
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
We've been playing he Greenies for 100 years too
And Tulane would at least add some semblance of academic prestige
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
To be clear -- I am NOT advocating for the Greenies in the SEC
I’m advocating for State in CUSA
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Tulane has and continues to be on a downward slide
for 30 years now.
MSU has had plenty of rises and falls in all three sports in that time. Hell, they’ve won the West while the Rebels haven’t. They’re competitive, end of story.
Historically
They’re the #2 baseball program behind us, and they’re generally competitive in basketball. They’ve got one Omaha and a couple March Madness appearances this decade I believe?
by Billy Gomila on Jun 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter what conference they are in
Starkville is still an indian word for trailer park.
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Starkville is an infinite black-hole of suck.
Everything that comes near the “Golden Triangle” instantly becomes lost in a sea of shitty-ness.
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by Chinese Bandit on Jun 11, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I visited Starkville last season
and I kinda liked it. Tuscaloosa was a much bigger dump.
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
I had the misfortune to actually live in Starkville for 2 years
It was miserable.
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by Chinese Bandit on Jun 11, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Weren't they cheating during the Sherrill era?
Or was that only A&M?
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by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 11, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait...what?
We’re a founding member…you’d have to blow up the SEC to get rid of us. And by little brother, I hope you mean “older brother” since we’ve had a larger student population than OM for decades now.
don't worry
we’re just kidding about kicking you out. Trying to kick someone out of your conference is a very Texas move. We love you MooU!
Sincerely,
Mike Slive
ps no more cowbells, seriously guys
“The aggies belong in the SEC. Not blowing trannies in San Fran with their gay brother from Austin.”
Could not agree more. The thought occurred to me the other day that this is the nicest we will ever see SEC fans acting towards us. The moment after we join we are going to be swamped with SEC bloggers/posters informing us of how their team is going to kick our asses. I just hope we can get this done.
I have done everything in my limited power (including threatening the governor with donating my copious financial resources to his opponent) to make this happen. I hope we can get this done.
just took another spin around some Longhorn boards
They are just completely eaten up with arrogance and nonsense.
and it strikes me as doubly weird since I think all their hubris
has a good deal of whistling past the graveyard when it comes to what opening up Texas to SEC recruiting and other effects means.
Great article
for a corndog.
heh. Really though, excellent work.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Thanks
I’m sure it was hard to read looking down your nose the whole time.
Honestly, I do appreciate it.
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No doubt part of tu’s fear is that if A&M joins that keeping the top recruits in Texas will be much harder. A&M is trying to bring in some kids from Florida this year. Have brought 6 or 7 in from Louisiana in the past two years. We already recruit the Southeast. Might as well join up so we can experience the bbq and tailgates on fall Saturdays. Don’t worry, I’ll teach you cajuns how to make a good brisket. ;)
Well Said
There are many many Aggies excited about the possibility of our Independence Day. This article is right on the money and I appreciated the read and as an A&M Former Student I hope our administration sees what is so obvious to me and so many fellow Aggies. I WANT my school to join the greatest conference in America…especially when I know our school will fit in and bring and receive much to and from the SEC. It’s a classic win-win. You will love coming to Kyle Field…one of the greatest college football environments in America but also one where we take pride in welcoming our visiting guests.
I hope you get the chance to start hating us :) It will mean we have joined you and that a new day has dawned.
It is time for Texas A&M, that i love deeply, to follow through on it’s fight song which opens with the line " Goodbye to texas university, so long to the Orange and the White" Texas is afraid to join the SEC…they don’t like fair fights. The Aggies will be proud to join and excited about the challenge to compete.
It’s time Ags…
VERY well said Aggie Tom!
The unfounded arrogance of that school in Austin is an embarrasment to the great state of Texas. A&M belongs in a conference with with REAL people not coattailing posers. And about the fair fight thing? Right on again! It IS time for the SEC Ags. and long past time to say goodbye to t u!
16 teams are too many
So can we add one more game to the schedule :-D the weekend before the semester starts, the athletes have been on campus for over a month already.
by alange on Jun 12, 2010 9:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Texas TV exposure
OK……since we’re all being frank and honest and all….
My initial reaction to the early reports of aTm heading to the PAC 16 was very positive. I thought it was a good way to counter the attention garnered by the SEC. I have not been a big SEC fan. (I have this view that SEC fans are a pretty roudy (if not raunchy) bunch, in general. aTm and Nebraska have, by far, the classiest fans in the country (can’t say that about every B12 school, however)).
However, after listening to the current arguments I have a new perspective. I can only think that aTm can benefit by going it alone (apart from the other Texas schools). The arguments about using the “something different” recruiting tac has merit. But, there is something I think a lot of people aren’t considering; Splitting aTm from other Texas schools doesn’t necessarily dilute the Texas tv markets. In fact, it could actually enhance the situation for Texas schools, especially tu and aTm.
Think of it this way; if Texas is playing Arizona and aTm is playing Alabama on the same day, you don’t split viewers between the games (assuming schedulers are smart enough to play them at different times, preferably back to back) but rather, you bring more viewers to both games. It’s not about aTm capturing the Houston market and tu getting Austin and San Antonio. It’s about all Texas markets watching BOTH teams rather than choosing between watching one play Missouri and the other play Iowa State.
This should, if properly planned, enhance both schools and by coattails, all Texas programs. It would energize the football fanbase in Texas and get more eyes tuned in on Saturday which helps everybody.
No?
(I have this view that SEC fans are a pretty roudy (if not raunchy) bunch, in general.
Now where would you get that idea?
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by Chinese Bandit on Jun 13, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
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