The 2011 Signing Class and Attrition Breakdown
Before we can launch into the topic of the 2011 signing class, it's necessary to take a look at the number of scholarships that will be available for the upcoming year. Currently, LSU is sitting at a full slate, having a player occupy each of the 85 scholarships the NCAA permits. This is a good thing, of course. What's not a good thing (in terms of recruiting) is that LSU is only graduating nine current players after this season. The importance of this being that 2011 is truly a banner year for recruiting in the state of Louisiana, and since the majority of LSU's talent is homegrown, you'd like to see them gobble up as many of the in-state stars as possible rather than letting them sign with SEC rivals.
Alas, I've constructed this oh-so-informative, handy-dandy list for you to refer back to for all your days (or at least this season). Really, any moron with five fingers and the ability to add and subtract could have done similar work, but at least now you have it here in nice, uniform form. The format is such: Player Name, (Years of Eligibility Remaining). This is loosely organized for depth, but that's not really the purpose. Also, a lot of these are position guesses (for the incoming freshmen), so give me a break guys, don't judge too harshly.
QB: Jordan Jefferson (2), Jarrett Lee (2), Chris Garrett (4), Zach Lee (4)
I'm guessing all four of these guys (assuming Zach Lee makes it on campus) will be back next season. Everyone involved with LSU and yours truly think Lee will be on campus.
RB: Richard Murphy (1), Stevan Ridley (2), Michael Ford (4), Alfred Blue (4), Jakhari Gore (4), Spencer Ware (4)
Murphy is the lone graduating senior, and I have no reason to believe that any of the other four will be leaving. There is a possibility that Murphy could apply for a medical redshirt, but we'll see if that happens. Unrelated to attrition: It should be interesting to see if Blue sticks at RB, because I could see him moving to LB.
FB: Dominique Allen (3), Kellen Theriot (3), Brandon Worle (4)
The LSU roster still lists Thomas Parsons, but he's on medical hardship.
WR: Terrance Toliver (1), Rueben Randle (3), Russell Shepard (3), Chris Tolliver (3), James Wright (4), Kadron Boone (4), Tharold Simon (4), Jarrett Fobbs (4), Armand Williams (4)
LSU roster still lists Jhyryn Taylor and John Williams, but Taylor is transferring and Williams received medical hardship.
TE: Deangelo Peterson (2), Alex Russian (2), Mitch Joseph (2), Chase Clement (3), Tyler Edwards (3), Travis Dickson (4), Nic Jacobs (4)
Pretty straight forward list. Notes unrelated to attrition: I think Jacobs ends up at offensive tackle and both Edwards and Dickson will be FB/TE hybrids this season.
OT: Joseph Barksdale (1), Alex Hurst (3), Greg Shaw (2), Stavion Lowe (4), Chris Faulk (4), Evan Washington (4)
Barksdale is the lone graduating player on the offensive line. A lot of good young tackles now and coming.
OG: Will Blackwell (2), Josh Dworaczyk (2), Clay Spencer (3), Matt Branch (3), Josh Williford (4), Matt Branch (3), Elliot Porter (4)
LSU roster still lists Cordian Hagans, but he is transferring.
OC: P.J. Lonergan (3), T-Bob Hebert (2), Cameron Fordham (4)
Fordham was a TE in HS, but it's assumed he'll take on the center position at LSU and he's listed on the site as an OL.
DE: Ken Adams (2), Lavar Edwards (3), Chancey Aghayere (3), Sam Montgomery (4), Barkevious Mingo (4), Jordan Allen (4), JR Ferguson (4)
I love all this DE depth. It's been a while since I remember having this many good bodies. Although, I think Jordan Allen ends up along the offensive line.
DT: Pep Livingston (1), Drake Nevis (1), Josh Downs (3), Michael Brockers (4), Bennie Logan (4), Chris Davenport (4), J.C. Copeland (4)
Pretty straight forward here, with two graduating seniors.
LB: Kelvin Sheppard (1), Stefoin Francois (2), Ryan Baker (2), Kevin Minter (4), Rockey Duplessis (4), D.J. Welter (4), Lamin Barrow (4), Josh Johns (4), Tahj Jones (4), Justin Maclin (4), Luke Muncie (4)
Lots and lots of linebackers. LSU roster still lists Kyle Prater, but he's transferring. Non-attrition related: I think Maclin ends up at DE.
CB: Patrick Peterson (2), Morris Claiborne (3), Drayton Calhoun (4), Ron Brooks (2), Tyrann Mathieu (4), Ryan St. Julien (3), Ronnie Vinson (4)
Peterson isn't graduating, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks he's staying another year.
S: Jai Eugene (1), Brandon Taylor (2), Craig Loston (4), Karnell Hatcher (2), Derrick Bryant (2), Eric Reid (4), Sam Gibson (4)
Eugene is the only graduating player.
K: Josh Jasper (1), Drew Alleman (3)
P: Derek Helton (1), Brad Wing (4)
Of the specialists, Jasper and Helton are graduating. Wing has yet to be cleared, so that's a situation to keep your eye on.
Total: 89
Open: 9
So, as you gathered from the list, there's only nine players currently on scholarship who will definitely not be returning next season (Richard Murphy, Terrence Toliver, Joseph Barksdale, Pep Livingston, Drake Nevis, Kelvin Sheppard, Jai Eugene, Josh Jasper and Derek Helton).
With that in mind, we turn our attention onto the 2011 signing class. Currently, LSU sits at 11 commitments and counting. Obviously they will add more names, but even if the class stopped where it is, they'd be over the scholarship limit by two. In a banner recruiting year, this isn't good news.
Where will the scholarships come from?

Well, we know with a certain degree of certainty that Patrick Peterson likely won't be returning for his senior season. So that opens up a single scholarship. So then attention must turn to guys currently on the roster who may not be returning. As a disclaimer, this is only my opinion with no inside information. Don't run and tell your buddies that you read on ATVS that Paul Crewe said so and so was leaving.
QB: I don't see any of these four moving on. I'm sure the Jarrett Lee transferring rumors will pick up more steam (as they seem to every offseason), but every year he sticks around it makes less and less sense for him to leave. I get the feeling if J. Lee was going to leave he would have done so already.
RB: Much like the QB situation, I don't foresee any defections here. Ridley isn't the type of player to go the NFL early and the others don't have that opportunity.
FB: Kellen Theriot is one name that I think should be watched. Theriot's had a rough go at it in his time at LSU, battling injuries for two years now. He's mired down deep on the depth chart, and we really have no indication of what kind of a player he is. He was a great athlete in high school, so I hope he gets healthy and gets a chance to showcase his skills.
WR: Lots of young guys here with lots of opportunities to play. No reason to believe any of them will be leaving.
TE: Of the seven guys currently listed, two names stand out: Alex Russian and Mitch Joseph. I doubt Russian leaves, due to his ability to long snap (though he struggled last year). Joseph is a block-first TE who seems to have lost his role to newly switched over Chase Clement. That being said, he only has two years remaining, so I'm not sure he'd leave.
OT: I don't think anyone is going anywhere, but Stavion Lowe has already been passed on the depth chart by Chris Faulk and true freshman Evan Washington. He may not leave, but it seems a move down inside may be in order.
OG: Offensive line is generally the toughest position to evaluate. Some guys will struggle to crack the two deep for three years and then emerge as a great starter as a senior. Some guys flip back and forth between o-line and d-line and end up starting late in their careers. That being said, Matt Branch and Clay Spencer have yet to make impacts on the LSU depth chart. They've been passed by a younger players. There's still plenty of time for them to round into contributors though.
OC: Doubt there's much movement here with only three guys on the roster.
DE: There's a lot of young talent here and a lot to be excited about. Sam Montgomery left an impression all through camp. Barkevious Mingo looked unblockable in the scrimmage. Lavar Edwards and Chancey Aghayere played significant minutes last season and Jordan Allen and JR Ferguson are top 100 talents that will be on campus. Another interesting guy is Ken Adams. Adams is a JUCO transfer and should be playing significant minutes this season. Will Adams only make a pitstop at LSU before trying his hand at the NFL? I wouldn't think he's that kind of a talent, but you never know.
DT: The five guys remaining will all be back next season.
LB: Here's a position we could see some turnover at. Francois, Baker and Minter would be my guess for the starting LBers in 2011. Barrow should be a top back-up this season and next (if not a starter). The rest of the guys are so young it's nearly impossible to make any estimation about whether or not they will last at LSU, but due to the large number of guys at the position, it seems like a spot where some attrition could happen.
CB: Peterson is gone, as mentioned. Of the rest, Ryan St. Julien and Drayton Calhoun are the names I'm watching. Calhoun has flipped back and forth between offense and defense since stepping on campus and hasn't seemed to settle into a position. The practice reports of his play haven't exactly been glowing. St. Julien is mired in the depth chart and been passed up by Morris Claiborne.
S: This is another position that remains up in the air. Coach Chavis seems to be constantly re-engineering the safety depth chart, as new names continue to circulate throughout it. Last season Brandon Taylor made the shift from corner to safety, in effort to maximize his speed. This season, Jai Eugene underwent a similar transition. Lost in the fray are Derrick Bryant and Karnell Hatcher, two guys who excel more at playing in the box and lack great speed. Each player only has two years of eligibility remaining. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they may look to move to a scheme that favors their skill set a bit more.
So, there's a lot of work to be done. There's a lot of truly elite talents in the state of Louisiana this year and guys that LSU cannot afford to pass up on. The question is, how will they make room for them? Well, it's gonna take a few magic tricks from the Mad Hatter.
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BTW, everyone....
… say “Hi!” to our new recruiting expert! That’s right, we now have someone who knows what he’s talking about regarding recruiting! Welcome aboard, sir.
I really liked your work with the Mean Machine.
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Nice rundown
So how many kids do you project LSU being able to sign next year (accounting for over-signing)? According to Rivals, in every year since 2002 except for 2005 (13), we’ve signed at least 24 recruits. Was the 2005 number the result of this kind of dynamic?
Good question
As of right now there are still a few guys who need to get eligible from last class: Brad Wing and Luke Muncie are the two names I know of. They may be all good now, but as of a week or two ago, they still had some hoops to get through. IF there are some casualties from last class, that would undoubtedly free up some spots.
I’ve got to account for a few transfers/medical hardships. But I still I don’t see how it’s possible to get to a full class.
With Peterson leaving and the other guys graduating we are only at 10 freed up scholarships (this is all based on me assuming every player from last class gets a scholly).
I’m guessing (pure speculation) we might see some names not on the roster this fall that we thought may be there. So that will free up some spots. Then we’ve got a year to sort out the wheat from the chaff (so to speak) to figure out how to free up more wiggle room. If I had to guess, we’d have a class of 20.
off-topic
T-Bob Hebert and Barkevious Mingo have to be two of the greatest names in college football this year.
Barkevious Mingo....
actually won an award to that effect….
by Andrew Tessier on Jun 18, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome aboard Paul! Glad to have someone to talk recruiting with.
Help me reconcile something with your article.
We can only have 85 kids on scholly when school starts in August correct? According to your article we currently have 89. I recounted, and I arrived at 88 and that is without counting John Williams, Jhryn Taylor, Thomas Parsons, Cordian Hagans, and Kyle Prater who are all transferring or are on Medical Hardship.
For argument sake, I’m going to assume that you mis counted and that we have 88 current “scholarship players”. Nevermind who will be let go for next years signing class, who will move on before August?
You listed Drew Alleman as a scholly player, but at one point he was a walk-on, did he recieve a scholly this year or does that actually bring us down to 87?
If Wing and Muncie don’t make the grades that could bring us down to 85, but if they DO make the grades that leaves us with two extra guys on the team that can’t recieve schollys…Do Wing and Muncie take gray shirts which would bring our already small numbers for next year down? Or do you see two of the guys that you just listed leaving before August?
Given that we are already in a squeeze just for this year, I’m not too confident we’ll make it to 20 signees for the 2011 class. Although I nobody thought we’d sign as many as we did in 2009 either.
The Numbers Always Have a Way of Working Themselves Out
I’m recounting and here’s what I got:
QB: 4
RB: 6
FB: 3
WR: 9
TE: 7
OT: 6
OG: 6
OC: 3
DE: 7
DT: 7
LB: 9
CB: 7
S: 7
K: 2
P: 2
That’s 85. Am I missing people that you are counting?
Re: Alleman, I think you may be right. I had forgotten all about that. That may mean we have another scholarship open.
I’m confident we’ll get the numbers to work for us. Maybe not to the effect of a full class, but a class of 20 wouldn’t be awful.
A lot of people complain about attrition, particularly in regards to the way Saban does it (constantly cutting and replacing guys etc.), but a healthy amount of attrition is a very good thing for your program. I’m working on a piece about that now.
That’s 85. Am I missing people that you are counting?
Yes, I count 7 OG’s to your 6. 11 LBers to your 9.
That explains the 3 player difference…Cue how many LSU grads does it take to count a football roster joke…
Anyway, that’s 88 by my count. If we think Alleman is not on Scholly then that is 87…So back to my original question, any ideas for this year?
Who are your extras?
As for ideas for this year.. I haven’t the slightest. Short of a gross amount of turnover, it’s going to be impossible for us to get a full class.
I don't have extras
You listed 7 OGs and 11 LBers. But you counted 6 and 9.
Am I missing something?
That makes 88 total players right now.
by LSU Jonno on Jun 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ahh, I'm with you now
I was using two sheets. The other sheet was on excel and I guess in flipping back and forth I messed up the count.
Yeah, it looks like we will need to do some paring down before next season. Not sure how…
So not only do we need to "find" 10 more schollies over the course of the next year to sign 20 in 2011
But we need to find 2-3 in the next two months just to play ball this year. Those numbers are Sabanesque
by LSU Jonno on Jun 18, 2010 9:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently...
Clay Spencer may be a medical hardship victim as well. So that would open another spot.
One note
I’ve heard that Stavion Lowe had a knee injury that he hasn’t come back from — which might explain some of his issues.
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It’s unprofessional to suspect kids leaving the program when they haven’t already. Then again I’m not sure this website is supposed to be professional to begin with. Nice review, otherwise.
BS
Sorry?
I’m not “suspecting” anything. I mentioned players that could potentially leave (which is a reality you have to deal with). I don’t think there’s anything wrong with talking about players leaving the program (Patrick Peterson is going pro this year, is that wrong to talk about?).
I understand your perspective and it’s something Pod Katt and I discussed when I was working on the piece, but you do have to address the fact that some players currently on the roster won’t be back the next season.
Actually, it's completely professional.
As much money flows through the program, NOT analyzing a roster in this way would be completely unprofessional. These athletes might not be professionals, but they’re certainly not kids, and they’re certainly not playing without any compensation (scholarship? athlete tutor benefits?). I understand how this process can seem coldblooded, and harsh, especially if they were to find out about it, but if anything this would encourage them to work harder (the tough love concept). If the certain negative aspect of this process is too much for an athlete to bear, then obviously they aren’t necessarily someone you want on your team anyways, and they’re probably suited best doing something else.

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