Initial Thoughts on Vandy
I'm not gonna lie, I felt better after the narrow escape against UNC than after a 24-point blowout win over Vandy. UNC was just one bad quarter against a pretty good team. This was just an ugly game that LSU finally put away in the fourth quarter. I'm not in any way pleased with how the game went. Random thoughts before watching a replay or checking the boxscore...
-- I hate Gary Crowton. I hate him so much. The end of the first half was the perfect opportunity to try out the two minute offense, and instead he got the chance to screw it up twice. Our continued insistence on running the option, or even trying to be a power run team, boggles my mind. Crowton has called some bad games since he has come to Baton Rouge, this may have been his worst.
-- Jordan Jefferson was terrible. Like I said, I haven't checked the numbers yet, but I'm sure they are terrible. He didn't pass the eyeball test. He threw an interception in the end zone that defies description. Just throw it away, man. He continually tried to throw the ball through a wall instead of trying to put any touch on the ball. Just no feel for the game whatsoever. Even worse, the coaches feel the need to keep calling running plays for Jefferson. Can we admit he is not a running quarterback?
-- The defense was awesome. Once again, no numbers yet, this is just off of feel. LSU absolutely dominated Vanderbilt's offense. Yes, it's just Vandy, but that was a great team effort. This has all of the makings of a truly dominant defense.
-- Stevan Ridley is the starter. No questions. Alfred Blue has staked his claim as the #2 back. I don't want to say the competition is over, but it sure looks it. Murphy just can't find space and everything we heard about Ford not building off his spring game seems to be true. Neither were impressive.
-- Russell Shepard is an unstoppable force of nature. Really, he cannot get enough touches.
-- This game was the opposite of UNC. Lethargic for three quarters, and then one awesome quarter to blow the game open. That's better than awesome for three and then sweating out a terrible fourth. It was good to see the team finish up strong.
-- Once again, remember my mantra: I do not care about moral victories, therefore I give the team the courtesy of not caring about moral losses. A win is a win is a win.
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Agreed on Crowton
I have no idea why he kept his job after last year, but he’s back at the same old nonsense. Despite the Peach Bowl, JJ is not an option QB (though he’s not much of any kind of QB).
I think it’s time to try Lee some more. I’ll take the INTs for TDs as long as we can score. Tolliver, Shepard, and Randle are way too talented for the offense to be this bad. We’re not winning a title w/ JJ; why not take the gamble and see if Lee can give us the needed boost? With this defense, we don’t have to be great on offense, just decent enough.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
I dunno
INTs for TDs would have put us in a bad situation in this game, let’s be honest; walking into halftime 10-10 scared to throw the ball after a pick 6 could have ended with a loss.
Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.
by Andrew Tessier on Sep 12, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
despite the "closeness" of the game
it’s not anything other teams aren’t struggling with. Tons of teams struggled with bad opponents last week. 4 1A teams have lost to 1AA teams in the first two weeks. And lots of ranked teams have struggled with middle of the road teams. Shoot, right now, with a minute in the first half, USC is tied with Virginia – - and I guarantee you that UVA is not nearly as good as Vandy. USC will probably win, but they aren’t looking good doing it.
LSU’s just missing 1 or 2 things to be a really good team. I think a switch in QBs and taking Crowton out of the booth might fix those problems.
Horribly played offensively
Crowton’s stay at LSU has pretty much gone how I was told by one Chicago Bears fan when he came to BR: “He’ll look great for about a year or two, then you’ll see pure garbage and no cohesiveness or theme to his playcalling whatsoever, and finally they’ll end up terrible at QB.”
I hesitate to put all of it on Crowton, but alot of Jefferson’s lack of complete football intelligence goes on him. I see him now and I don’t think he’s any better than he was 2 years ago. I think Miles will have to run Lee out there sooner rather than later.
Wondering at the moment
If Crowton’s headset was unplugged in the fourth quarter. This team needs to have a power-running-and-playaction offense.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 11, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I do believe Les took over some of it
he goes to the run game when things dont work. I wonder if they’ll ask him that in the presser.
Whatever happened
It worked.
But the lack of a theme to Crowton’s playcalling was something I harped on a lot last year.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 11, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Even worse, the coaches feel the need to keep calling running plays for Jefferson. Can we admit he is not a running quarterback?
What I don’t like about this is that we continue to call QB runs when we don’t need to. We’ve got 5 Scholarship backs on the team. Let them run. We have TWO scholarship QB’s on the team, let’s try to treat them as a scarce resource and try to protect them a little more.
Like you said Poseur, it aint like JJ is lighting the world on fire on the ground anyway. I’d like to see one or two plays a game where JJ runs AT MOST. Ideally that number would be 0.
Random Thoughts...
1. The burning question that keeps popping up in my mind is, why is RS not getting snaps at QB? Can he really be worse than the pick six machine or JJ?
2. Crowton sucks, part 1. JJ cannot run the option, period. Just stop calling it! Add to that list the spread, 2/3 go deep, one guy crosses ~5 yards shy of a 1st down play – I hate that play – it has never worked in the history of football. Speaking of never working plays… the shotgun, 1 RB set where the slot guy to the left is motioned into the backfield, then a counter trey is ran to the right – that’s a completely idiotic play! You pull backside guard and tackle, lead with play side RB, and make backside RB ( who gets the ball ) take a counter step – like tonight, even RS can’t outrun the DE coming untouched right at him because the play design SUCKS! Tear it up and never run it again.
3. Crowton sucks, part deaux. Does anyone, anywhere, not know what we are running when we line up? Its no wonder JJ can’t complete a pass and holds the ball, bc the DBs and running the WR routes better than the WRs, bc EVERYONE knows what is coming!
4. Crowton suck, part 3. No QB seems to have improved since coming to LSU. GC, develop a QB or GTFO.
Thank goodness it seems Miles took over play calling in the 2nd half. I don’t care if we’re a spread or a power team, but do something and do it well. The I formation / 1 back with 2 TE or 1 TE / 1 H-back stuff was good – it worked. Spread, pro style, whatever – just pick one and get good at it. If Terrell Pryor can look like a half decent QB, we should have a Heisman QB by now; get someone in here to grow our QBs and at least run an average offense; with our talent, it would be all we’d need to shine.
Totally agree
On Shepard. How can he possibly be worse??????
by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 7:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
go watch his youtube highlights
he has an andrew hatch like arm. there is good reason we didn’t see him throw the ball last year. His future isn’t at qb.
I never said Shep
was Elway. I simply said, “How can he possibly be worse??” And I stand by that quote. I’m talking about putting him in the spread and watching him terrorize defenses as the most dynamic dual threat in the nation, period. In case I missed something, we have one guy who absolutely cannot pass accurately enough to really be a threat, even under-throwing a receiver who is 6’5, and another who is terribly accurate when he zeros in on the opposing team.
So I’m saying it again—how can he possibly be worse? In my mind, we would be explosive offensively because his ability to run would open up the passing game (remember how wide-open receivers were for Tebow?), and if our defense keeps coming around, we would be very hard to be beat.
Guys,
I’m as critical of this staff as anyone.
But I think everyone can agree that Miles wants to win as much as anybody. The guy makes about 4 mil a year, and this is just a guess, but I think he wants to continue to make 4 mil a year. The coaches are going to put the QB on the field that gives us the best chance to win. JJ may not be the “best” QB, but he may give us the best chance to win due to other factors.
Shep is not a QB. He has a noodle arm and at this point he has significantly less time practicing as a QB than JJ and JL. Remember, Shep ASKED to be moved to WR. He knew he wasn’t cut out to be a college QB in Crowton’s system as well.
Crowton suck, part 3. No QB seems to have improved since coming to LSU. GC, develop a QB or GTFO.
I completely agree here. We are in the same QB situation in 2010 as we were in 2008. There has been no concrete improvement in our QB’s in two years. That is just pathetic.
Having said all that, I think it is time to give JL some more playing time. Let’s see what the kid can do on his 3rd chance. But let’s just drop the Shep at QB argument. That isn’t the answer.
Jonno
I agree with you about Shep. He’s not the answer at QB. I’m not even sure he will be a good WR – he can’t seem to catch the ball. But he’s great with the ball in space.
And obviously, Miles wants to win – and he’s not an idiot. He’s been handicapped for two years because Periloux was an idiot and he had to play JL and JJ – both of whom were recruited as developmental projects – 2 years too early. I get that. But JJ isn’t improving. Maybe JL has? GIve him a shot. At this point, he can’t be worse than JJ. JJ threw for less than a 100 yards against VANDY and turned the ball over three times. 3 fumbles – he was just lucky that an LSU player picked it up each time.
I mentioned to the guys...
With the zone blocking scheme we were running last night (which is a lot like what RIch Rod runs) if we had Shep starting at QB last night, we could have rolled 400+ yards of rushing offense with similar passing stats probably.
denard robinoson, anyone?
I can’t ever see Les letting that happen though. Even though with out lack of a fullback, we haven’t been running out of the I anyway.
It’ll never happen as a full-out offensive gameplan, but maybe, just maybe we could see it as a situational formation. RS might not have an arm, but you don’t need much if everyone thinks it’s going to be a run (and 90% of the time it is).
Noodle arm?
How do we even know?? He’s never thrown ONE pass in REAL game?? The truth is, his HS coaches knew how to use him better than Miles and Crowton. If I’m him, I wonder why I even came to play here when he could be lighting it up with Meyer at Fla. Does anybody think Robinson at Mich is really that much better than him? No. It’s called coaching.
Look at Shep's HS videos bro.
He doesn’t have a college arm. Noodle is probably too strong of a word however.
Who else on our roster
Has a college arm? If by college arm you mean simply strength, then I would point out how useless that is when you under throw a 6’5 receiver on a fade, or fail to lead a wide open tailback down the sideline. From his highlights, I’m thinking again, how could he have been worse?
by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 9:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
His throw to Ware was perfect
I don’t know why people keep criticizing it. Look at it. It hits him in stride. My only guess is that Ware thought he was closer to the sideline than he was and lost his balance trying to walk the tightrope. He had a lot of bad throws in the game, but that wasn’t one of them.
they are talking about RS above, not JJ
I agree that was probably his best throw of the game.
RS's arm isn't as good as Robinson.
And by good I mean, he doesn’t have the strength to throw a 5 yd out route and he isn’t accurate enough to hit guys on slant patterns.
Watch his HS videos to site the lack of strength. Also look up how Shep did in the QB challenge w/ Matt Barkley and some other blue chipper. If I remember correctly, he didn’t hit one of the targets in the accuracy portion.
Lee has a big time arm
Lee’s problem is his decision making. Jefferson’s arm isn’t as good as Lee’s but it is still an average and maybe above average college arm, and yes I’m talking about strength.
Andrew Hatch can throw it further than Shep.
Look, the coaches want to win. If they really thought Shep was the answer they’d have kept him at QB, instead of letting him switch positions when HE ASKED to switch. Shep is an elite talent with the ball in space.
You may be right
about Shep, but using the argument that “our coaches know best” is a debatable point, right?
by TigerTex on Sep 13, 2010 8:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You do realize
Other coaches didn’t want Shepard as a QB either, right?
We’re all frustrated with the QB situation, and while getting Russell Shepard the ball is part of the answer — it isn’t as a QB.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 13, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
it probably is just the frustration talking. But we talk options here on this site and from my perspective we’re down to zero options with the present 2 qbs. And if the goal is to challenge AL and win the West it is crazy to me to accept that we won’t have a dynamic offense even with the set of skill players we have on this roster. I don’t think we’re going to beat al with three yards and a cloud of dust.
See and that's the thing
You can have a dynamic offense that doesn’t throw the ball much. We’ve seen it time and time again. Hell the offense is already more dynamic than last year’s pretty much because of Shepard’s involvement. In two games there have been more plays of 40 yards or more than all of 2009.
Right now the most important thing is to make the offense more consistent.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 13, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Concur with Billy
Shep is only on our team because Miles offered him a shot at QB. Mack Brown wishes he’d thought of that first.
It didn’t work out, and Shep asked to be moved to WR to help our team.
Shep moved on, we should too.
We are all frustrated, and I never meant to demean your idea, it’s just that we should be focused on supporting JJ and JL because those two are our only two legit options. And I used the word legit loosely.
No feelings that you were demeaning the idea...
just good discussion that I really enjoy.
And I’m moving on. I am. I think.
I guess what this boils down to for me is an overall lack of confidence in the coaches ability to put the right players on the field in the right scheme. I just haven’t seen that—it seems like we still haven’t found our identity yet, so that makes me wonder if Shep’s move was the right one. Again, just frustrated, just venting, just accepting the facts here that our options are limited.
Alright, I’m moving on, I promise.
Thank God our defense is studly
Because the offense is never going to be good as long as Crowton is at the helm. Please, there has to be somebody better out there.
"Tiger Stadium is by far the worst place to play for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum." - Paul "Bear" Bryant
We don't know
what we are. Nobody should fool themselves with that 4th quarter “power running game”. That’s against Vandy. They got tired. Alabama and Florida ain’t gonna get tired.
I am sick and tired of the absolute lack of a real identity on offense. We have some of the best players in this country and they can never get in any rhythm whatsoever because our goal apparently is to be creative instead of putting the best guys out three and let them do what they do best over and over again. We’re wasting these guys!!
by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 7:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
LSU Vandy
Crowton is not the problem. If he is he is not the biggest problem. The HUGE problem is We do not have an SEC QB in Jefferson. Miles is trying to establish the run which he has. Jefferson was awful against UNC and Worse against Vandy. We have a team with a potentially dominating defense. We can run the ball for the first time in three years. Even when they know we cannot throw with Jefferson. Our running game is good enough to keep people honest. If we had a QB to throw to the best receivers in the SEC.
JJ was not awful against UNC
Sorry, he just wasn’t. He may have made a mistake or two, but to say he was awful is just plainly wrong.
But last night he was awful. Flat out awful.
Brutally so
Guys I’ve dismissed every single person who called for Lee this past offseason — but I’m officially ready to consider him. Jefferson wasn’t even competent enough for me to call him BAD.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 12, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Sadly, I agree.
It’s ok to have a bad game once in a while but I can’t now remember JJ ever putting up two good games in a row.
I think the rest of the team went in last night prepared to unmercifully crush Vandy and treat them like the taliban stoning a loose woman but JJ was rattled from the start – against freaking Vandy.
I just don’t get it. He is in over his head.
I am also not giving Crowt a pass, his play calling in the early part of (and for most of) the game was mind boggling.
I was literally calling the plays before they lined up, I was at some friends house who have never watched an LSU game and they started figuring it out after a couple of series.
As you all know, I have (and still do) supported Miles and to some degree Crowton but I don’t think it would hurt my feelings if Les sent the Wizard packing at this point.
We need to become the power I team (with a pro style passing game) that Les wants us to be and drop the option/spread/power/shmugizarddry offense crap, it aint working.
I still believe we can have a very special year and by no means am I upset over a 24 point SEC win on the road, don’t care that it was Vandy. It’s an SEC win and it really wan’t in question.
My issue is that the offense COULD/SHOULD be unstoppable and frankly I don’t think UNC or VANDY ‘stopped’ us I think Crowton did.
When we get the Swamp or Bama comes calling if we are still discombobulated they are going to hurt us.
In fact, MooU probably has a better D than either of the ones we’ve faced (and that’s no disrespect to UNC’s 1s or 2s) and that game could be dangerous.
Sorry, I just had to get it off my chest.
Geaux Tigers!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
I think most would agree w/ your post, but...
dude…stoning is probably not the most most appropriate metaphor.
I have to disagree with a number of points
1. I actually think (except for the 2 minute thing) the game was called pretty well. The problem with the offense today (after the first 3 possessions, in which the OL was struggling) was simply that Jefferson was throwing the ball inaccurately. If Jefferson throws the ball accurately last night, that offense would have hummed. Even when Jefferson completed passes, however, they were not on-target. He had a couple catchable balls dropped, but even those were made non-routine by Jefferson missing the target.
2. The interception was a terribly thrown ball. Just terribly thrown. It was supposed to be a fade, and it was underthrown by about 8 yards. Had it been well-thrown, it’s a touchdown. I genuinely believe that if Jefferson had thrown the ball decently accurately last night, we would have gone into halftime with 17 or more points and we would have had another touchdown in the 3rd quarter. It would have been a rout.
3. I was commenting earlier to someone that I thought the coaches did a fine job last night. The defense was studly. The offense seemed to find an identity with Ridley running the ball effectively in the 4th quarter. We just need to have accuracy from the QB. If this team improves the way young teams should, and if last night’s game was an aberration for Jefferson, this team will be scary good down the road. I’m just worried that last night may not have been an aberration though.
I really think Les was right when he said at halftime that the team just needed to execute better. The game was called well. The OL even did a good job of protecting Jefferson, and the receivers got open. He just couldn’t get them the ball.
4. Jefferson running the ball was one of our most reliable short-yardage plays. It seemed whenever we had 3rd and 2-4 yards to go, they would call Jefferson’s number and he would pick up the 1st. That’s the dimension that Lee will never be able to add. He brings no mobility at all to the position.
I do believe, however, that Lee could maybe help this team. The best throw of the night was the one Lee gave to Randle. Lee just has a different rhythm than Jefferson has. Jefferson moves so slowly when he plays. He’s slow going to the LOS. He’s slow taking the snap. He takes a drop and looks for his receivers. The offense has a definitely deliberate rhythm with him in the game. Sadly, this is even true when we were in 2-minute drills last season. Lee seemed to bring better pace to the game. People also forget the positive things he brought in his freshman year. There were crippling interceptions to be sure, but the offense actually moved when he was in the game.
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by Richard Pittman on Sep 12, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions
I would agree with you about Lee
except that when he got a chance last year, I didn’t see the offense move at all. I don’t know if he just lost so much confidence and was terrified about throwing another pick six, but it just didn’t happen last year.
However, I absolutely agree about Jefferson. We’ve NEVER had any real flow with him at QB except his game in the Peach Bowl. Sadly, he’s just never developed.
So I just don’t know where to look at this point, but as I’ve been whining about all day, I wish they would have given Shepard a real chance at QB. He could not be worse than this.
vandy thoughts
Miles wanted to fire Crowton, but from what I heard the LSU Admin wasn’t allowing it. Basically the LSU Admin wasn’t letting Miles fire an asst. coach after another disappointing yr. It’s on his shoulders not Crowton’s.
As far as the Vandy game goes. Great defensive performance by the Tigers. Exactly what we are hoping to see. On the other side of the ball – dear God. Stagnant and bland. Jarrett Lee needs to get more reps next game. Look I know how bad Lee has done in the past, but Jefferson did terrible. We can’t keep hoping for a miracle when Jefferson continuously puts out sub par numbers. Give 12 a shot. LSU is running out of options.
So he continues to let a guy he wanted to fire
call plays for his offense? I know the rumor is Miles took over playcalling in the 2nd half against Vandy, but even if the Administration forced him to keep Crowton, why give him any responsibility? If I were in jeopardy of losing a $4M per year job and my boss forced me to keep an incompetent on staff, I’d take over as many of his duties as I could and distribute the rest to the remainder of the staff.
This is why it's a good idea
To avoid the rumor mill.
So he continues to let a guy he wanted to fire call plays for his offense?
That should tell you there’s something wrong with the rumor. I don’t know if removing Crowton was discussed or not (and Lord knows I was in favor of the idea), but I’m quite comfortable saying he wouldn’t be brought back if they had no intention of letting him actually do his job.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 13, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
To clarify
I wasn’t asserting that was the case, I was responding to ChrisGeaux’s comment above. My own opinion is that Miles would have liked for Crowton to find another job in the offseason (like Malveto), but wasn’t willing to fire him.
Other than McCarthy, has Miles fired any assistant who didn’t have a landing spot already lined up?
It's another meme that gets overstated
The “Miles waits for them to get a new job” thing. Mallory and Peveto were not coming back, regardless of whether they found new jobs. But in general, most coaches give their assistants that chance. Saban did the same thing with his first two D-coordinators here.
And as far as I know Earl Lane hasn’t popped up coaching anywhere yet.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 13, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions

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