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Upon Further Review: Ground and Pound and Wear You Down

Ladies and gentleman, I think we've found an identity. Look, whether you are a Les Miles supporter or denier, you all see the same thing: Les loves to run the football. In fact, he wants to run the shit out of it. Power running 24/7, 365 like clockwork. If he had his druthers (what the hell are druthers?), we'd run the ball 65 times a game for 4 yards a carry and pound every opponent into bloody submission. Last season our offense looked something awful (backed up by every poor statistic you can imagine) due to our inability to run the football. Parse the stats, and I still maintain that the only glaring difference in the 2007 offense and the 2009 offense was our inability to run the ball with any sort of effectiveness last season. Hell, go re-watch the La. Tech game closely and you'll see us get stuff on 3rd and short multiple times. All of that lead to a miserable offensive season and an average overall season in which we remained in single-digit wins and lost our first bowl game under Miles.

We (I can't think of a single fan who wanted him to stay) spent the off-season calling for Gary Crowton to join the growing list of the unemployed in this country. But it didn't happen. The most painful aspect of it all is that we never seemed to find a positive direction for our offense.... we never found an identity. After all last season, and 6 quarters of this one... I think *crosses fingers* *knocks on wood* *hugs a leprechaun*... we have found an identity.

FULL SCREEN VERSION

 

Star-divide

Well, for three quarters, it wasn't pretty. After watching the Vanderbilt offense for about 10 minutes, I knew we'd never be in danger of actually losing the game (even at 10-3 in the mid third). It was plainly obvious that they just weren't going to move the ball on us. The game zipped by due to a lot of rushing (82 attempts between both teams) and a lack of scoring. Sans 1 big play from them, they hardly moved the ball. Take out the 51 yard run, and they are hovering around 80 total yards for the game. DOM-IN-NATION.

Now, on the other side of the ball... it was a bit more messy. The first half was flat out disgusting. The second half was much, much better. Play calling, execution, decision making, blocking, catching, running... you name it... we did it bad in the 1st half.

Coming into the game, I expected we'd work on building JJ's confidence. Let's be clear: Vandy doesn't have a terrible defense. Hell, I'd say they are on equal footing with more talented squads Arkansas and Auburn. They have some sneaky talent in there, including two pretty solid corners. It doesn't surprise me that they were able to minimize our output in the 1st half. However, JJ didn't allow the coaches to do anything with him. He was missing opening targets (high, low, right... left.... you name it) all night. Hard to sustain drives when JJ throws it at a wide open Shep's feet on 3rd and short.


Anyway, let's get down to it:

The Big Points:

-The defense, particularly the defensive line, absolutely dominated. The secondary remained largely untested (they only completed two passes to WRs). Once again, LBers in coverage were tried... the only real damage in the passing game came in intermediate stuff, but only 5 catches for 38 yards for their TE. LB coverage is an area that needs improvement, but they seemed to make strides with Baker in there.

-The offense struggled the entire first half, and some of the second, until they switched to exclusively zone blocking in the rush game. Hell, JJ didn't throw a pass in the 4th, and Lee only threw one.... that's how good the run game was working. We I speak of identity above, this is what I'm talking about. I hope and pray GC keeps this in the gameplan, because our OL drastically improved and Ridley began gashing the D once we made the full switch. Regardless, prepare yourself for ground and pound and wear you down. This team, despite it's sick WR talent, isn't going to be an air-it-out force. We are going to be a power running football team that milks the clock and relies on playing keep away and good defense to beat opponents.

-Shep is a multi-dimensional threat that I love seeing get the ball. My one complaint is that he's still not a great "catcher." Stick to the jugs machine Shep... I know you have it in you,  but your hands aren't great yet.

-This is the worst game Jordan Jefferson has played since arriving at LSU.

-Loved seeing Blue and Ware get involved during plays that actually count. Not a shock to me they got snaps above Ford, who reportedly struggled in camp this summer. We have a very, very talented backfield.

-I'm a huge JJ fan. That being said, I f'n love watch Lee throw the ball. I'm a sucker for gunslingers who shoot lightning out their hands, and Lee gets rid of the ball so quick it's impressive. His strike to Randle makes you long for him to be the starting QB, particularly after JJ's rough night... but has he learned to take care of the ball? We'll never know... unless he gets a shot. I hope Les let's JJ know that if his play doesn't improve his job is in danger. Enough with the being patient shit.

-Drake Nevis is a manchild.

-PP7's name was hardly called tonight. Quiet night.

-I mentioned this in the game thread, but for those who bitched about Brick Haley last year (and there were quite a few), you need to man up and apologize. The struggles of the DL last year had nothing to do with Brick and everything to do with a lack of talent. Kudos to Miles for restocking the DL with a sick amount of young DL talent. Get used to it folks, our DL is going to be good for a long, long time.

-Herm Edwards is horrible... horrible color commentator. BUT, he did hit on an issue that I think all LSU fans have seen: simplify. He mentioned this several times throughout the game. LSU has so much talent that we (GC) try to get too cutesy trying to get everyone the ball. Our offense brings up so many sets, so many personnel groups etc. that it's hard to develop continuity. Fittingly what worked best tonight was the simplest stuff we ran: zone blocking schemes.

-If you aren't familiar with the zone blocking scheme, here's a few links to educate you: 1, 2, 3, 4. Really, it's the simplest shit ever. Mike Shanahan ran this to about 97 straight 1,000 yard backs. Alex Gibbs has made a career off developing OL who do it. Rich Rodriguez's entire offense is based on a zone blocking scheme. If you are REALLY interested in learning more, read up on some of what those guys do. Trust me, it's simple as shit... basically run right and hit the shit out of whoever is in front of me, but super effective.

-Stevan Ridley is the best back on this team. And he ran extra cautious tonight, throwing two arms over the ball any time any sort of contact was initiated.

-I've never seen a team with so much skill position talent be this questionable at QB. It's very... odd.

-This defense is just going to get better and better, count on it.

-Besides the second half slump, one of the main overarching complaints about last week was the lack of sustained drives. This week we saw drives of: 82, 75, 53 and 81. All but one reached double-digit plays.

-We can run the ball! Hallelujah!

The Scores:

-For everyone hoping the entrance of Billy Gonzales meant the introduction of some spread option principles into our offense, this TD must have been your wet dream. Last week we saw Shep take one to the house on what was practically a counter play. Tonight, his 30 yard scamper was a straight up jet-sweet, a play we saw Percy Harvin run again... and again... and again. Shep got nice blocks from Barksdale and Josh D. and most importantly, Murphy down field, and took it to the house untouched again. That's 3 TDs in 2 games for Shep.

-After being given a short field on a Vandy KO return TO, we capitalized with four consecutive running plays, the last of which resulted in the first TD for freshman Alfred Blue. Running out of an I-Formation, the play was designed as a simple Dive, but the hole quickly closed. PJ made a tremendous block on the DT, taking him to the ground and Blue cut back left off the block through daylight and hit pay dirt. A nice display of vision from the freshman.

-The final play came on a simple zone running play. You've probably heard it referred to as student body left. This was it. All the lineman zone blocked left, which got the defense moving right, Ridley hit the cutback beautifully into wide open space and sprinted to the end zone untouched. Simple design, great run by Ridley.

The Boys:

JJ: Worst game I've seen him. Erratic, impatient... you name it. The INT sits squarely on his shoulders, as there was little pressure and TT was open in the back of the end zone if the ball is thrown well. Instead, JJ short arms it right into the hands of the DB. He missed a lot of open targets. There were a couple drops, but even on those, they weren't the best throws. I've long been a JJ defender, but performances like this make him impossible to defend. I hope Les makes it clear to him that this job is not clear-cut his if he plays like that.

Ridley: Is there any doubt he's our best back? Ridley has the best vision of any back we've had in a while. The zone blocking scheme is perfect for his skills, and he's able to capitalize and turn the plays into big chunks. Let's hope we continue to scheme this way. Great game from Ridley. He ran with an attitude and covered up the ball well, to wipe out his fumbling "problem."

Murphy: Had two nice runs on the night and a nice block. While I'm happy for Murph and his story, I think the offense would be better served with him taking a backseat to the younger, more talented freshmen behind him. Blue looks like a legitimate no. 2 threat, and Ware is a do everything type of back that can still run with power. If we maximized the touches of those two with Ridley, we could have a devastating run game.

Blue: Up and down game. Made a couple nice runs, including his TD, but also fumbled an option pitch that really cost us. Finished with 23 yards on 5 carries. Very solid.

Ware: We only got a glimpse of him, but I like what I saw. The pass he caught was a beautiful design by GC, lining Ware up at FB and running him in a wheel route. Still not sure how or why he tripped, as the pass was on the money and it probably could have gone for six, but still a nice play. His run at the end was also nice and flashed the ability that excited us about him as a recruit.

Ford: This is the new name for the "Why isn't Miles playing him" crew, but I think it became fairly evident watching him tonight. Of all the backs that played, Ford was the least decisive and aggressive running. His final carry was miserable as he bounced around in the hole and ended up with 2 yards. Ford is an athletic freak with all kinds of upside, but he needs to learn to stick his nose in there and run tough if he wants to get carries on this team.

Stamp: Quiet game. Threw a nice block on Ware's late run.

RR: Okay game. Very nice catch and run over the middle to convert a 1st down. We really got to see his great YAC ability on that play. He's tough to bring down and definitely has a burst. Dropped a pass or two. The balls weren't particularly well thrown, but I'm a big believer in that if the ball is in a WR's vicinity, it should be caught. Also threw a nice block for Ridley and made a nice catch from Lee.

TT: More involved this week after a quiet week last week. Had a nice block on the outside for Ridley. Settled into the zone and made a nice catch in the 1st half. Caught a short pass in the 2nd, but did little with it... seemed like an awkward move. Solid game.

Shep: Ran for daylight on the 30 yard TD. Play was well blocked, all he had to do was run. Dropped a couple passes. Like Randle, the throws weren't great, but they were in his vicinity. If he wants to be a great WR.. he's got to catch those balls. It's clear by now that Shep will be a focal point and force in our offense. I loved the two back set where he ran a nice drag route from the RB position and JJ put it on his numbers. Creative way to get him in a mismatch that worked for an easy 1st down.

Bark: Good game. Gave up the pressure that lead to the only sack. Player just outquicked him inside. I'm really pleased with Joe at LT. Run blocking has been good and little to no backside protection concerns. He hasn't been mentioned yet... that's a good sign. (Oh I got a tremendous chuckle of the announcer saying, "He's replacing 'the great' Ciron Black... riiiiight).

Josh D: Solid game. Came out early for a reason I still haven't figured out. Saw him finish off a few nice run blocks. He's definitely stronger this season. Things were quiet on the left side.

PJ: Best game I've seen him play. He was wearing out their interior linemen. Absolutely dominated the DT on Blue's TD run. No problems with snaps or pressure up the middle. Very good showing.

Williford: Looked miserable the first series. Came off his feet quite a bit. Improved as the game wore on. He's a big guy with a ton of potential, but still raw. Made some nice blocks and showed the ability to move, but also struggled on some plays.

T-Bob: Played both RG and LG in spots. Was in the game for Shep's TD and a few of Ridley's runs. Nothing stood out neither good nor bad.

Hurst: Looked really good on Ridley's TD run crashing down and picking up and man and driving him out of the hole. Gave up some pressure on a few passes, forcing JJ into quicker throws. Overall, I haven't been as impressed with Hurst as I hoped, but he's by no means a liability.

Mitch: Nice catch after running a fairly poor route. Made a couple of nice blocks to spring good runs.

Clement: Great block to spring the Ridley TD. Otherwise quiet.

Defense:

Nevis: Absolutely man beast. Vandy doubled him and still couldn't contain him. He broke double teams on both of his sacks. Routinely showed up in the backfield. Finished with 5 tackles. 2.5 sacks and 1 QBH. A menace all night.

Slammin' Sam: Got his 2nd sack on the year. It's odd, he seems to not get mentioned much, but he holds up at the point of attack really well.

Adams: Made a nice TFL... should have been bigger, but he over ran the play a bit. Adams has yet to establish himself as a playmaker, but his athleticism makes him a versatile threat on the outside. He holds up well at the point of attack.

Pep: Quiet. No stats.

Brockers: Did a great job avoiding a cut block and stuffing a play at the LoS. Finished with 3 tackles.

Downs: Got a gift in the 1st half, coming unblocked up the middle for a TFL. Got nice pressure on another play that resulted in a TFL for Sheppard.

Mingo: Great game. Finished with 5 tackles and a sack. A true force off the edge. Credited with a forced fumble, but I think that belonged to Daniel Graff. Speed off the edge is amazing. Tracked down Larry Smith once from behind... impressive.

Sheppard: Manned the middle. Finished with 9 tackles, .5 sacks and a 1 QBH. Seemed to find the ball a lot. Stuffed the run at the line a lot. Missed a tackle on the 51 yard run.

Baker: Great to finally see him on the field. He's a force. Speed, hitting... he's a monster out there. Pounded Smith on a bobbled snap. Recorded a sack later in the game. Finished with 6 tackles, 3 TFL and 1 sack. Not bad for a guy coming off 4-6 weeks of inactivity...look out world.

Francois: Rarely saw him. Had good coverage on the TE in the endzone on an overthrow. No stat line.

Brooks: Love having this guy as a 4th DB. He's a very sound tackler. May not ever be a star starter, but he's very, very solid as a dime back.

Mathieu: Wanted to give him his own section. This guy is the 2nd best corner on our team. Absolute stud. Stuck his nose in a running play to make a stop. Broke up a pass play with a great break on the ball. He has all the tools to be the next great one at LSU. Playing a lot already.

Loston: Got his first start. Only finished with 2 tackles. Missed a tackle on the huge run play, which cost LSU 3 points. He made the tackle on the play, but could have stopped it at 12-15 yard gain instead of 50 yard one.

Rest of Secondary: I'm grouping them all together because there was so little passing we saw almost nothing from them. Coverage remained good. Not much else to say.

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I haven’t wanted Lee to start because of just how lost he looked last season and also because I don’t want to chip at JJ’s confidence. BUT, that was a truly miserable game for Jefferson. Those are the sort of performances that get you benched for the General Lee. I think it’s time for Lee to get meaningful snaps.

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by Poseur on Sep 12, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree completely

His La. Tech performance sank any optimism I had for him resurrecting his career at LSU… and I too didn’t want to chip at JJ’s confidence… but if you play like that noticed needs to be served just as it should be at any other position.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 12, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm generally not a fan of rotating QB's

As a rule. But there’s struggling and there’s what Jefferson did on Saturday night, and we’ve reached a point where there has to be a hook. Part of it is still trying to run a spread-based attack. And I’m starting to wonder if somebody on the coaching staff has short-term memory problems when it comes to the option, because it’s so unsuccessful there is no rational reason to believe that "it’ll work THIS time."

But I’ll say this, whoever is under center, needs to be handing the ball off. A lot. This team needs to have a run-the-ball-run-the-ball-run-the-ball-throw-playaction offense.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 12, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Continuing the rotation thought

There are times when it can really hurt an offense (Marcus Randall/Jamarcus in 2004) but some times that it can help. In 2008 I actually thought Lee was better right after he’d sat out for a drive for Andrew Hatch. In 2004 Marcus Randall’s best game was replacing Russell at Florida.

You have to be flexible in the approach, but it can work.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 12, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somewhat disagree

Yes he didn’ play well, but did you notice how many passes were dropped? LSUs WRs seriously need the taffy. As a fan, I withold judgment anyway until after the running game is mastered (which means only now), and after the first home game because Death Valley would be a terrible place to put Lee into. Put him on the PIP list, but wait until after that game if there is no improvement (WV opponent would be an easier start).

by tomsmail on Sep 12, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

There were definitely a few drops...

But my concern is that a lot of them were on throws that were low and high. Throws that should be caught, but he was missing like that all night. He’s got to put the ball on them better.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 12, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

as many drops as their were, there were good catches to cover

JJ’s throws were the main issue last night. RR made a couple of grabs that saved JJ on the throw. He was so off target all night.

by Zandor435 on Sep 12, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Option Pitch Fumble

To me, it seemed like the biggest problem on the option pitch fumble was the pitch relationship between Blue and JJ. I was taught that proper pitch relationship is 1) the responsibility of the RB, and 2) at 5 yards outside and 2 yards behind. Looked like Blue was only 2-3 yards outside of JJ. So the pitch came out to him like a rocket.

by bkarbour on Sep 12, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

JJ still no improvement, and a rare voice of support for Crowton

I’ve mentioned at least 3 times since the beginning of last season that I don’t see Jordan Jefferson as worthy of the QB job at LSU. Last night’s game did nothing to change my thoughts as several on here have posted their similar thoughts. To be honest, not seeing practices, I don’t know if we have a better option on the roster. But I find myself agreeing whole-heartedly with Poseur about wanting to see Lee take some meaningful snaps.

I definitely share the silver lining thought of the Vandy game…we may have found an identity. Nothing wrong with being a pounding out team on offense (See Alabama last season). If the run can be established to some degree against our big SEC opponents it gives us a fighting chance – one that I didn’t think we would have until seeing our rushing game get going in the second half.

Outstanding bounceback from the 2nd half against North Carolina by the Tiger defense. While Vandy isn’t the power that Alabama brings, nor the versatility of a Florida offense, domination on the road in the SEC is a VERY good thing.

Lastly, everyone’s whipping boy Gary Crowton. While I’ve felt some play calls were questionable the last season forward, I must confess that I was MORE than satisfied with play calling under Crowton/Miles when we won the national title. An OC is crippled when the QB position cannot manage the game. This has been the problem of Jefferson and Jarrett Lee (when he has played). Going back to Matt Flynn – he wasn’t the 2nd coming of Dan Marino by any stretch, but he hit open receivers, didn’t make costly turnovers, and executed plays well (of course, he wasn’t perfect, but this was his USUAL performance at least). While Crowton needs to shoulder some blame for not having coached up our QB to get to this minimally acceptable level, I do cut him slack for having to call plays full well knowing that his QB could mess it up in a big way.

Congrats Tigers and Les – while I still think we’re heading for an inevitable coaching change at the end of the season, I’m rooting for “The Hat” big time.

by drbonne on Sep 12, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Seems you haven't seen...

the warning to LSU fans about Crowton, written in 2007. The ‘suck’ we’ve seen in play calling, not using our talent, mysteriously not calling plays again if they work, undeveloped QBs, QBs that are lost, etc, etc, was all predicted to us.

This offense will heal once Crowton is gone.

by Xanathol on Sep 12, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree Lee should get some “meaningful” snaps if he demonstrates he can keep his cool under pressure, but pick 6’s are not a better option. Since JJ hasn’t drastically improvement since last season, I doubt Lee has either, regardless of his high marks at training camp. There’s clearly a gap in this coaching staff’s QB development. Still, I look for JJ to improve, but Lee should be nipping at his heels.

I’d like to see Crowton go, but that’s not likely unless there’s a complete offensive breakdown, which pretty much happened last season and he survived. But with this season’s improved o-line and and newly discovered power running game, the offense is bound to improve.

No head coaching change will happen after this season, again, unless, there’s a total team debacle, which is doubtful.

by SeaTiger on Sep 13, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you...

For taking the time to analyize and write about each of the Tigers- it’s a joy to read. I couldn’t be happier with the members of this team and the upside they all have (with maybe an exception at the QB position). At first it seemed like the only success we were going to have was passing to set up the run- as running from the gun up the middle didn’t gain yards and only served to set up a sweep for Shepard.
I think you forgot to mention Mitch Joseph. I believe he had a reception and was fairly adept at picking up blitzes. Running 2-TE sets is going to be lethal if we get DeAngelo Peterson back- having two tight ends who can catch is insanely difficult to defend consistently

by alange on Sep 12, 2010 12:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I got him in there

Mitch: Nice catch after running a fairly poor route. Made a couple of nice blocks to spring good runs.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is so frustrating is that

I think this team could go undefeated with a good QB. I’m not talking Matt Ryan or Ryan Mallet, I’m talking Matt Flynn-type QB. Someone who can throw a deep ball once or twice a game and knows how to run a play action. And I’m pretty sure that there isn’t such a QB on the LSU roster right now.

Does anyone else feel that way?

Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.

by Andrew Tessier on Sep 12, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

A decent QB and

a vanilla game plan ( which would be 1000x better than what GC is doing ).

by Xanathol on Sep 12, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not as..

discouraged as some are with last nights game. In the early going it was painful but, it was good to see what looked like Les taking over the play-calling. The team adjusted effectively, something I can’t remember them doing in a long time. Hopefully Crowton’s headset is permanently set to mute. Zone blocking suits this o-line — it was obvious even last season — and I hope there is a commitment want to doing it well.

I wonder who went to Jefferson to tell him Lee was going in? It would be interesting if it was Gonzales or Les…

by Mikeno on Sep 12, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

And agreed..

On Mathieu. I had high hopes for his college career, and he’s living up to my expectation’s… as a TRUE FRESHMAN.

Crowton, develop a QB or GTFO. ~ Zanathol

by Mikeno on Sep 12, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Completely disagree with this post.

Let’s run on someone other than Vandy before we start thinking Ridley is the answer. I’m just not buying it. We ran on them successfully AFTER we wore them down. They’re Vandy. They’re not deep. Bama and Florida and others ain’t wearin’ out.

We have to be able to throw the ball, and truthfully we have three of the best options in the entire conference, if not the nation! Even the backup TE’s are catching it. And with Shep, we should absolutely be EXPLOSIVE ON OFFENSE. We just don’t have an offensive philosophy that gets anyone into any kind of flow out there. And I think JJ is just a very average QB that would be a good backup if we had any kind of talent at the position. He’s average in everything he does—running, decision making, short passes, deep passes, etc. How in the world he under throws Toliver is just beyond me. He’s 6’5, just throw it up there!

I’ve said it a bunch, I’ll say it one more time. How could Shep possibly be a worse QB than what we’ve got? How? Tell me, I beg you, how? Put him in the spread, and we have a real game plan, and might actually get into an offensive flow that we haven’t seen since GC got here.

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Put Shep at QB

and leave it alone for awhile! That’s right, I just said it in the previous post and I’m so mad, I’m saying it again.

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

and not to mention

he has some of the best leadership ability on the team. Yet another reason.

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

TigerTex

I think TigerTex is related to Russell Shepard. We get it, you want him to play QB.

It’s also not happening. “How could he be worse?” is hardly a resounding endorsement, and it’s not a convincing argument. Shep is an incredibly talented football player, but he is not a solution to all problems. He can’t solve world peace, build a perpetual motion machine, or keep your hair from falling out.

Shep’s likely a poor solution at QB because it’s just giving up on building a pass offense. He also was terrible at simply calling the plays when he played at QB last year, frequently burning timeouts because he was unable to get the team lined up without confusion. And that was when he was still practicing with the QB’s. If we’re just gonna put a random good football player back there without regard to ability to play QB… well, I nominate Patrick Peterson.

Shep is a receiver who also plays, well, all over the field. Making him the fulltime QB like would make him less explosive, as he learns the position. If you’re frustrated with JEfferson, and I don’t blame you, may I suggest Jarrett Lee as a possible option at QB? He has the advantage of actually playing that position.

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by Poseur on Sep 12, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh,

So you’re telling me that “how can he be worse” argument is less compelling than your “let’s give lee” on more chance reasoning? Look, I never said it was ideal. I’m simply saying that of the options we have at qb, I can’t see how Shep in the spread wouldn’t be better and potentially explosive. And come on, you’re saying shep is just a “random” player? He was the top dual threat qb in the NATION!

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 9:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If we’re just gonna put a random good football player back there without regard to ability to play QB… well, I nominate Patrick Peterson.

That’s not a horrible idea…Because I bet PP actually CAN stop your hair from falling out.

by LSU Jonno on Sep 13, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

he has some of the best leadership ability on the team. Yet another reason.

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by Gregatron on Sep 13, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

"We ran on them only after wearing them down..."

If you do it enough, everyone wears down. And considering we have 4-5 horses in the stable, we can keep throwing backs at them until they bleed.

Look at Bama’s passing offense stats from last year and get back to me about how we “have to be able to throw the ball.”

Shep at QB would be fun to watch..

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you do it enough, everyone wears down.

No

by LSU Jonno on Sep 13, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uhhh..

You two wanna look up 2nd half running stats for Bama last year.
How about the Jets?

Or you can just point to our game vs. Bama. We bottled up their rush attack in the 1st half. They finished with 176 rushing yards.

They had 50 in the 1st half.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

They also had a dominating o line

which we do not have. I don’t think rb’s are the problem….it is linemen that are. Your logic is right, but you assume we have an offensive line comparable to bama’s last year. Not a good comparison.

by Zandor435 on Sep 13, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bama's line...

Wasn’t that stellar. I don’t see how it’s really all that different than what we have.

They replaced 3 starters, including a top 10 draft pick (though he’s a bust, he was a dominant college player) and a great OC who is starting for the Houston Texans right now at RG. So it wasn’t certain going into the season they’d be awesome.

Vlachos as a center was solid. James Carpenter is a SEC 2nd team G. They are definitely a good group, but I don’t see how they are significantly better than the crew we have other than they have an actual offensive gameplan and identity.

If we dedicate ourselves to a zone blocking scheme, our line will look much more impressive.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is a little more difficult.

It depends on your O-line and the other team’s D-line rotation. Running into a brick wall for 4 quarters isn’t always the answer.

by LSU Jonno on Sep 14, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You think if he was at Florida

he’d be touching the ball as little as he has with us? It’s absolutely insane, I tell you. Just like me at this point after a year and two games of watching him just being totally wasted as a talent.

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

16 touches

Through two games — roughly on pace to match Percy Harvin at Florida (who was a good 10-15 pounds heavier). I agree with you re: last year, but this season he’s heavily involved. If anything you could argue Shepard is the one unifying theme this offense has had through two games.

There are definitely things to complain about on the offense, but Shepard ain’t one of them.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 12, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry my argument

Wasn’t very clear. I didn’t mean to say he wasn’t touching it as much as harvin. I’m simply saying that I think if he could have been given the chance to really play qb, he would touch it every play and that would be a nightmare for def coordinators. An of course I know he didn’t do very well in chances last yr and needed time to develop. And after all, taking the time to develop our other two qbs hasn’t been wasted, right?

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 9:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It would look like

The offense with Andrew Hatch running it — and he couldn’t last a whole season with only part-time snaps. Shepard would have his moments, probably get hurt and then you’d be even worse off because you wouldn’t have him at all.

The quarterbacks on this team CANbe effective. In a ball-control, run-heavy offense that minimizes them as much as possible. The problem is this team hasn’t shown any commitment to running that style of attack.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 12, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Andrew Hatch = Russell Shepard ? I’m sorry, but that’s just plain crazy. And one decent quarter against Vandy makes Ridley the answer?

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 9:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

How is it crazy?

You obviously haven’t watched much tape of Shepard throwing the ball, because it’s not crazy. If anything, your “he can’t be worse” argument is ridiculous.

Andrew Hatch, at 215-220 pounds, couldn’t last an entire season of spot duty as an option QB here. So color me skeptical that Russell Shepard could take a full-time load at 188. You don’t seem to realize the type of beating he’d be taking. Keeping Shepard involved is about getting him quality touches, not the quantity of them.

And I never said Ridley was the answer. I said a commitment to the power running game was the answer. Multiple running backs (including Ridley and Shepard) would have to be a part of that.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 12, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe Tex is referring to

Paul’s assertion in the post that Ridley is clearly our best back, not to something you had said

by ORtigerfan on Sep 12, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reason

It’s crazy because you equating an elite athlete with a guy who would never have even seen the field except for the RP disaster. Now I’ll give you the fact he’s too light to take a beating. But I have seem the film, and again, I’m not saying he’s a pure qb, or has a great arm, but it’s a good one especially for a spread qb.

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 10:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And again

I’m just saying this because I don’t like thinking we have to be some super conservative ball control offense with 5 stars everywhere.

by TigerTex on Sep 12, 2010 10:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think what Billy is saying

Is that with Shepard in the game our downfield passing game would be as limited as it was with Hatch. If that’s the case, then the defense can stack the line of scrimmage. And it doesn’t matter if Shepard is a better athlete than Hatch, he’s still going to take the hits. Billy’s right, Shepard isn’t the answer. I would have to think if Shepard thought he could beat out any of the two QB’s (whom he sees in practice every day) he wouldn’t have voluntarily moved to WR.

by Ianoka on Sep 12, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only way Shep could be our QB

Is if Rich Rod was our coach… he’s the only guy in the nation who has proven he knows how to do that sort of thing.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hatch is a better passer than Shep

There, I said it. Can we stop talking about this?

by LSU Jonno on Sep 13, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

You said it.

But I don’t think anyone can possibly believe that.

by TigerTex on Sep 13, 2010 8:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd make that trade straight up

(and would have even before Michigan’s 2-0 start.) I don’t think most people realize how depleted that team was when Carr left.

by The Bengal on Sep 13, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who says anybody likes it?

We’re saying it’s the best option and the only one that works for this team right now.

by Billy Gomila on Sep 13, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

love your enthusiasm, not gonna happen

Shep was the nations top dual threat qb recruit, correct; however there is a big difference in high school football and college football, especially the SEC. Shep is not a college Qb. At the moment we do not have a strong Qb LEADER on our team, JJ is in over his head a lot of times and Lee is just as apt to connect with the DB’s as he is with our receivers. We need to be scaling the playcalling back and start beating the opposition down with the run and passing off the play action. The option needs to go, period. Pound the ball. Personally, Blue, Ridley, Murphy and Ford would be my ranking of the Rbs. Play all them and let them earn the carries. Blue runs with a purpose, I really want to see him get a ton more touches. Ridley is a good back but sometimes seems to run timid, and has the control problems. Murphy is what he is, and Ford is the unknown. Lastly, Gary Crowton is a good oc, he is just in the wrong place. Crowton seems to want to revert to calling plays like he is coaching in the WAC again, and it shows all too often. The SEC is a completely different beast of football, the gimmick plays rarely work here. I think he is simply in over his head. I believe he is gone after this season regardless.

by jonanthans on Sep 12, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea,

I know it’s not gonna happen, just like I know we’re not going to have any kind of offensive identity in the near future, and just like I know I’m going to see Crowton call another option play before this season ends, my guess is at a critical point in a big game. I am simply offering the opinion that I think shep would do a better job than lee or JJ.

by TigerTex on Sep 13, 2010 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why do you keep saying one good quarter against Vandy?

Ridley ran on UNC too. But fumbles clouded his otherwise stellar performance.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think ridley is clearly the best weapon in the backfield

RS aside, Ridley is clearly our most productive back right now. Blue might develop into a dangerous option as well, but Ridley runs both inside and outside well.

by Zandor435 on Sep 13, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's true.

It’s a bit of an overstatement. Too me it’s just a shame to have the players we have, and of all the things we’re trying to latch onto, it’s the power I. I’m just buying that as our best option yet after games with UNC JV and Vandy.

by TigerTex on Sep 13, 2010 8:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m hoping Miles Takes away two things from this game 1) GC is going to get him fired 2) Jefferson is going to get him fired. Hopefully he realizes this and does these two things to save his job 1) Take over the playcalling and run the zone blocking scheme that seemed to work in the 4th quarter 2) put J Lee in and only go mostly off play action till je gains his confidence back. I always thought Lee had the potential to be a good college QB (see Mauck, Flynn). This is the only way I see it. Jefferson has regressed, progressed, and regressed again, no consistency at all. I’m tired of him playing QB at a big time school like LSU. We’ve been patient enough with him. His time is up as far as I’m concerned.
There I’m done ranting. I feel better.

by cbkao on Sep 12, 2010 7:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

and what do they get paid for?

This is not a reply to the last comment by cbkao, but his comment hit a note….
“I’m hoping Miles takes away…..”

There has been so much for him (Miles) to take away recently – there’s film, commentary, blogs (like this one that’s pretty damn intelligent) and yet we see repeated poor performance. The overall tenacity of the fighting Tigers is usually fierce and present. I don’t know enough about exactly how one really measures one’s capability vs everyone else, but I do think that with these high paid coaches and state of the art facilities and the general consensus that there is talent, the continual bad to average performances last two years and the start of this year has one posing the question, "What is it that they do to earn their salaries. " Wouldn’t CEOs and managers and coaches that make the big bucks and have the potential to make more if they are successful want to get at really solving the problems? I could understand that if there really isn’t talent you just do the best you can or you sort of throw in the towel. I don’t see any progress. I agree with TigerTex, wait until we get against some big boys that don’t wear down. We can’t pass and won’t be able to run.

My wife already won’t allow me to watch LSU at home. I have to find some local pub or sports bar. Kicking the furniture in frustration has banned me. The frustration is not with the players – although some of their mistakes really seem like they don’t get it and that they’ve lost their focus and drive. I am frustrated that they’ don’t have a coach like Saban that drives them to be precise and disciplined and hungry. I don’t like Saban but I do like the fact that for him it’s business and the Tigers need to get down to business so that they can enjoy the fruits of their labor, i.e. enjoy solid performances – win or lose.

by ettoi on Sep 12, 2010 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Just for shitsand giggles

A buddy of mine at work keeps bringingbup the idea of Jon Gruden as our next head coach after Miles gets fired this year (if he even does, I think he has to have a great season not good season to keep hid job this year). I know Gruden is a far far stretch but I just get giddy at thinking of him going all Chucky on Saban.

by cbkao on Sep 12, 2010 10:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Sorry

This is not the Rant.

We typically have reasonable discussions and debates.

Even if it was reasonable to believe that Miles might be gone after this year it is ridiculous to bring up Gruden.

He will never coach in college, not at LSU or anywhere else.

If SP gets hit by a bus and the Saints have to make an Emergency hire he might be on that short list but other than that he’ll NEVER coach in the State of Louisiana.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Sep 12, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously you didn’t read my whole post as it was FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES like I said. I also said it wad a far far stretch. I don’t think Gruden would coach at LSU onlynsaying how awesome it would be for him to go off on Saban.

by cbkao on Sep 12, 2010 11:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also I was just trying to lighten the mood, I’m getting kinda of tired of being so frustrated with our underachieve football team lately. And I don’t mean wins losses cause that’s been decent, I mean the talent we have compared to how well we play.

by cbkao on Sep 12, 2010 11:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jonno

For the last time, if you keep telling my secrets I’m not going to answer any more of your questions on my radio show!

But seriously, Gruden? If you guys are going to replace me can you at least do it with a college coach?

Someone here at ATVS suggested Dr. Lou not too long ago and I think Jimbo will be fired after another year or two of Offensive suck at Felony State maybe he could come back as Dr. Lou’s QB coach since Ponder is going to win the hiesman. LOL!!

Have a great day!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Sep 13, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Someone actually suggested Lou Holtz should be LSU's coach?

That shit should be a bannable offense!

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by Gregatron on Sep 13, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

And they were not kidding

of course it was shortly after the OMD so a lot of stupidity was being discussed

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Sep 14, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Les, I wont bring up other coaches around you anymore. By they way I do like you Les and wish you the best of luck either here.

by cbkao on Sep 13, 2010 2:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not discussing it would be better for me

however, if you are going to discuss it how about sticking to coaches that are actually better than me AND that LSU would have a snowball’s chance in hell of hiring.

I know it’s a VERY short list but do carry on…

Oh, and have a great day!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Sep 14, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know this is silly but ...

Shep’s got swagger, confidence, personality, whatever you want to call it that translates into leadership. Hell, the school has put out some really quality marketing materials with his face on it. They sell #10 jerseys. And, they should, because the boy’s got “it” and people respond to that confidence. We are rudderless on offense right now. I’m not sure how to fix our offensive crisis of confidence because I agree that Shep shouldn’t play quarterback, and I don’t think we should move to the spread option, but he needs to be on the field. He is the O-whisperer. To paraphrase deadspin this AM, he is like Temple Grandin’s hug box. Everybody (or at least me) feels more calm when he is in the game (so I guess that makes me autistic?). AND IF WE RUN THE FUCKING OPTION ONE MORE TIME I AM JUST GOING TO SNAP. JUST SNAP IN HALF TOTAL BREAK WITH REALITY TYPE SNAPPAGE. thanks, had to get that off my chest.

by haveagreatday on Sep 13, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

and to reply to my own post

Maybe Ridley emerges as the mental anchor of the offense. Maybe it’s one of the FR running backs. Hell, maybe it’s Jarrett Lee. It certainly does not have to be RS, but I’m pretty sure it will not be JJ. We need a bell cow type player, not just because he is an eltie player, but because the rest of the team has confidence in him. I noticed several WRs throwing the ball down in frustration over JJ’s incompletes in the Vandy game. That kind of frustration turns into a “losing is a disease” type situation that’s contagious as syphillis, bubonic plague, etc. Leadership is downplayed a lot, but, it can have a real impact on the way a team plays. If you doubt that having confidence in your leader makes a difference, I want you to examine your feelings towards Les Miles.

by haveagreatday on Sep 13, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

No offence, but

I don’t get it when fans like you and me make psychological assessments of their teams. We are not really in a position to judge nebulous concepts of “team chemistry” and “leadership” (whatever the hell those things are even supposed to mean).

I’m all for evaluating a team’s problems fairly and objectively. We can actually see things like playcalling, execution, and physical performance. We cannot see what goes on in the locker room, the weight room, and in personal interactions among players and coaches, and the like. I think that speculating on things that we don’t have enough information to make any sort of fair analysis is really arrogant.

I have long been a big supporter of JJ at QB on ATVS. This is because he has mostly performed well on the field — looking at his stats he is an above average QB. When people argue that Lee should be the QB, that’s fine — if they think he could perform better on the team. But when people say Lee has “better leadership” is makes me want to do further harm to my already damaged liver (whose current state of wretchedness I put firmly at the feet of Gary Crowton). And even though you seem to be a supporter if JJ, I have to say that they same criticism applies.

What the fuck IS “leadership”? I’ll tell you: it’s a meaningless buzzword that people throw around. People in the corporate world, the sports world, and pretty much everywhere love to throw out this term. Employers want people with “leadership qualities.” Well, if all their employees try to tell everyone else what to do then that obviously doesn’t make for a very efficient workplace. So that’s not what their talking about. Perhaps it’s know when to take orders, and when to give orders. But that’s just showing good judgement, and knowing one’s place in a hierarchy.

Basically, when people talk of leadership they are talking about having “it” — the right personal qualities that make for a good teammate that others look up to. But seriously: who are we to judge who has that and who doesn’t?

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by Gregatron on Sep 13, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

i hear you.

Leadership is not measurable so it’s not really a valid metric by which to judge a player and his effect on a team. I say without any sarcasm that I will stop using that word. Plus, I’m sure we could come up with a long list of outstanding football players who were terrible “leaders.” Randy Moss, TO, etc. What I’m saying is that JJ’s mediocrity is really starting to show in a way that is borne out beyond stats. That the underclassmen WRs would throw down the ball in frustration over JJ’s inability to get it to them speaks that.

And speaking to your comment below, I absolutely agree that the confidence instilled by a “leader” comes from that so-called leader’s ability to get it done, not vice versa. It is really a question of reliability. JJ is not getting it done on a basic level (I will preemptively agree that I could be overreacting to a one game performance. I am in a dark place). The mistake I made above was conflating being a great leader (ie, one who instills confidence in his teammates) with being a great football player (whose abilities instill that confidence). At any rate, something’s got to give at QB because we can’t get there from here.

by haveagreatday on Sep 13, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
It is really a question of reliability. JJ is not getting it done on a basic level (I will preemptively agree that I could be overreacting to a one game performance. I am in a dark place).

I think the is a legitimate point of disagreement. It’s good to move beyond looking at qualities we as fans can’t evaluate intelligently.

I guess my issue on this QB controversy is that, looking at JJ’s body of work, he has been above average. That said, I didn’t get the see the Vandy game (no ESPNU), but is seems like he stunk it up a bit. It might very well be that Lee would be a better option at this point. I just remember Lee throwing all those touchdowns… for the other team.

I am concerned with JJ’s accuracy issues, but I don’t see the main problem being him. I see the problem with the offense being mainly the result of Crowton. Dear lord, when I want Les Miles to take over the play calling you know things are bad!

Lesticles ftw!

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by Gregatron on Sep 13, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

well
I don’t see the main problem being him. I see the problem with the offense being mainly the result of Crowton

this was me before the vandy game. I still have that feeling somewhat, but this game game has me leaning more towards the reality that JJ might not be able to get it done. He had no reason to be “rattled” but he played the entire game like that. He was horribly, horribly inaccurate.

by Zandor435 on Sep 13, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that Leadership is meaningless.

Just look at Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Those guys have no ability to rally a team, instill confidence, or make plays that inspire the rest of the team.

by TigerTex on Sep 13, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Sigh
Just look at Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Those guys have no ability to rally a team, instill confidence, or make plays that inspire the rest of the team.

Yeah. So leadership is the ability to motivate others, make other people feel good about themselves, and having the physical ability to make great plays? Got it.

I would argue that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are great quarterbacks because they were born with tremendous physical tools and are both highly intelligent and motivated. This makes them leaders by default. Being a “leader” comes from being great, not the other way around. If Tom Brady were stupid and had no arm I don’t give a damn how much “leadership” he had; he would not be in the NFL.

Do intangible qualities exist? Sure. But we can’t observe them enough to intelligently evaluate them. Commenting on who has “leadership” and who doesn’t is very arrogant of us as fans.

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by Gregatron on Sep 13, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

that trying to evaluate leadership is a difficult. But I wouldn’t say arrogant. Maybe leadership isn’t the right word—intangibles might be better. But guys who make plays, hold others accountable, say what needs to be said, etc. are necessary to good teams, especially the qb position. If it wasn’t important, then why do so many great coaches talk about leadership?

by TigerTex on Sep 13, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree w/ tex here

Greg,

your position seems to be more of a backlash to some abuses of the word leadership, than an actual objective stake in the ground. Meaning….surely we can ascertain leadership when we see it. We may not be able to quantify it and normalize is statistically like other qualities, but I wouldn’t say we can’t recognize it.

I also think your word choice of “arrogant” is a little strong. I see where you are coming from, and might lean more to your side of this discussion than to those who want to affix the badge of “leadership” to every nice guy player, but I think there is a middle ground here.

by Zandor435 on Sep 13, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is really a question of reliability. JJ is not getting it done on a basic level (I will preemptively agree that I could be overreacting to a one game performance. I am in a dark place).

Because most coaches, when talking to the press, try to keep things as boring and meaningless as possible, because they don’t want to say much of anything. Talking about “leadership” is a great go-to; it allows them to fill up time in press conference without having to really say anything of substance. (There are exceptions to this sure, Les Miles being a prominent example. But most teams don’t have coaches as batshit crazy as ours.)


Above: Coach Miles at a recent press conference.
(Source: Associated Press)

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by Gregatron on Sep 13, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Quote fail

I meant to quote this:

If it wasn’t important, then why do so many great coaches talk about leadership?

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by Gregatron on Sep 13, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Gregatron

It’s definitely a difficult thing to assess.

When you compound it with the fact that all the players gushed over JJ in the spring and early summer…“He’s so improved.” “He’s taking control.” “He’s making strides.” “He’s making plays.” etc. etc. etc.

If the players act like that, what are we to do?

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont believe in leadership?

 then you have never played any type of sport at a highly competetive level. Players feed off the guys who have the ability to step up and command the respect and admiration of their teammates. A leader is the guy who takes the group of individuals and brings them together as a team. Many times, its not even the most physically talented athlete. As a person who played competetive sports for many years, I can tell you it is a thing that may not be able to be measured in physical terms, but is an essential component to being a great team.

by jonanthans on Sep 13, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

No one said anything about not believing it...

We only talked about not knowing how to quantify it or judge it.

Example: JJ shrugs his shoulders. 50 people say he’s not a leader. How the hell can you draw that conclusion?

by Paul Crewe on Sep 13, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont believe in leadership?

Don’t believe in reading a post before responding to it?

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by Gregatron on Sep 14, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Body language communicates something...

but no one can rightfully conclude JJ’s not a leader based on his body language, mainly b/c he rarely shows any. Last year and this year’s team have performed so far without the very intangible discussed — an emotional spark, which a strong leader often provides. One way to quantify it might be by the number of strong, decisive wins, or by the number of mistake-free games played with a full-blown, lights-out team effort for all four quarters.

by SeaTiger on Sep 13, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

One way to quantify it might be by the number of strong, decisive wins, or by the number of mistake-free games played with a full-blown, lights-out team effort for all four quarters.

So then leadership is the ability to win games and play well?

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by Gregatron on Sep 14, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Leadership

is hard to measure, granted. But is observable, and you see it exhibited in great players all the time. They are the guys who perform at a high level, inspire confidence, and are able to motivate their teammates, often with strong verbal communication. I don’t see why we can’t point to that as an important factor in good quarterback play, which is where this whole discussion started.

by TigerTex on Sep 14, 2010 11:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

What your post just said...

Is exactly what Gregatron has said all along.

Leadership comes from great players. Play great and you are a leader.

by Paul Crewe on Sep 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not every great player

is a leader. Randy Moss is not a team leader in New England. Leadership doesn’t always come from great players, although it certainly can, and usually is a part of great teams. Maybe we’re just splitting hairs at this point.

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