Behind the Numbers: LSU v Vanderbilt
by Poseur on Sep 13, 2010 10:00 AM CDT
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PrintLet's dive right in to those numbers which made the game what it was... a pretty boring dismantling of an inferior opponent.
260 - LSU's yards in the second half. LSU only generated 132 yards in the first half, so the team apparently threw half of the playbook in the trash and just ran down Vandy's throats.
8 - Number of incompletions Jordan Jefferson threw in a row. He did not complete a single pass in the second quarter. He would rebound slightly in the second half, going 5 for 7 for 58 yards. He would not throw a single pass in the fourth quarter. It's hard to exactly quantify how lousy Jefferson was on Saturday, but we do have ATVSQBPI...
2.33 - Jefferson's ATVSQBPI last night. It's 3.92 on the season. That means Jefferson is worth less than 4 yards whenever we call his number. That is barely acceptable for a running back, horrible for a quarterback.
33:49 - LSU's time of possession. It's been a while since LSU won TOP, and we won it almost every quarter, especially in the second half. LSU also had 71 offensive snaps to Vandy's 48. Ball control works.
23 for 128 - LSU's plays for yards on the first two drives of the second half. Sure, those drives only yielded 3 points, but it was like watching a different team. Most of LSU's advantage in yards, plays, and time of possession stems from those two third quarter drives, which ate up the entire period. The big plays came in the fourth, but it was set up by the wearing down of Vandy's defense in the third.
39.3 - Vandy's yard per punt. Let's give credit, Vandy outplayed us on special teams. They largely bottled up Patrick Peterson, and they consistently flipped the field on their punts. Field position kept Vandy in this game. They forced LSU to drive the length of the field on almost every drive.
3 - LSU fumbles, all recovered by LSU. Fumble recovery is largely luck, but fumbling is not. LSU now has 8 fumbles in two games. Lock it down, guys. Stevan Ridley to the lesson to heart: 0 fumbles. Jefferson? Well, it was another problem with his game on Saturday. If you're gonna have a lousy night throwing the ball, the least you can do is take care of the football.
6 - LSU players, aside from Jefferson, who got a carry. Ridley got the bulk of the carries, but five other Tigers combined for 20 carries. Which makes it nearly unconscionable that Jefferson has 13 carries as well. I don't want to seem like I'm picking on the guy, but he had a terrible game and worse yet, we kept calling his number. Jefferson averaged 1 yard per carry. Ridley averaged 9.4. Everyone else combined to average 5.4.
2.0 - Vanderbilt's yards per carry. Our run defense looks really, really good so far.
6 - Sacks by the LSU defense. Our pass rush looks really, really good so far.
30 - Terrance Tolliver's receiving yards. That tied with Rueben Randle to lead the team. 30 yards is all it took to lead the team in receiving yards. Ouch.
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In Jefferson's defense
On the # of rushes, he did pick up at least 2 first downs running. And that’s about all the good news you can find out of that performance.
13 carries...
…and 2 were successful? OK, throw out the sack which is classified as a rush, and we’re still left with a guy who was rushing for less than 2 yards per attempt. But he got two first downs, so it’s not all bad. That’s just defining success down.
“A little head jiggle is supposed to make me happy?”
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Hey, I'm not defending his performance
(even thought I did say “In his defense”). I was just trying to find a glimmer of optimism in that performance. Like several on the blog, I’ve been a big JJ supporter, and I’m not willing to write him off after one horrendous performance, but he needs to shake this past game off fast and get off to a good start against MSU.
One thing about JJ's rushes
is that he didn’t call them. You can blame JJ for not running well, but our ‘marvelous’ OC, Crowton, is to blame for calling the option over and over and over….
If the coaches want us to be a zone read team, fine – put RS back there and lets run the zone read and run it well. But if we’re going to use RS as a WR and JJ at QB, we need to run a pro style offense; pound the ball, play action / roll out, ball control, west coast style routes ( ie. different levels flooding a zone ), etc.
Find an identity – currently, we’re a ‘grab bag offense’ and its just flat out offensive.
I could get behind that.
Punters usually have to choose between “pinning down” returners and kicking for distance. He was able to do both, which is rare. Obviously Vandy put a lot of effort into special teams this week after watching the UNC game film.
That being said, our special teams performed well enough. Two good kicks from Jasper, and the recovered fumble on the kickoff return really sealed the game.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 13, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
The sky is not falling.
JJ had an abnormally bad game, but the way some “fans” are reacting, you would think that he almost lost the game for us. He did not almost lose the game for us. Another QB on our roster has lost games for us. With that said, JJ must play better. If not, that other QB should be given a shot at redemption. I would go so far as advocating giving the other QB a series or two in the first half.
by Displaced Tiger on Sep 13, 2010 1:24 PM CDT reply actions
Well said.
Everyone knows that J. Lee had a bad game against La Tech last year. Allow me to refresh your memory on exactly how bad it was.
7/22 passing (32%) for 105 yds
4.8 Yds/att
1TD / 0 INT
1 Sack
24-16 LSU final score
Is it possible to get a negative ATVSQBPI?
That was against against a team that finished 2-4 in the WAC.
Having said that, something needs to be done about JJ. A sub-4 ATVSQBPI may not even get us to 4-4 in conference on the season (my pre-season prediction). I’m going to be beyond pissed if this team can’t meet my artificially low preseason expectations that were purposefully set at the maximum amount of games I could see us losing.
Great point
I’ve had a hard time understanding the “Start Lee” movement this offseason. It’s like we’ve all agreed the La Tech game didn’t happen. Jefferson is the starter, but he also had a very bad game, and I’m not opposed to him grabbing pine for a series or two like anyone else who has a horrible game.
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It's starting to get too extreme
Jefferson was really bad last week, and if he plays that bad again Lee needs to get a chance, if for no other reason than to try and calm things down.
But let’s not get ahead of ourselves and pretend Jarrett Lee is going to be some magic cure.
Agreed
one note from the Vandy game…I loved the authority with which JL through his one pass. It was nice to see a QB just wing it without taking an eternity to stare down the receiver. Of course, just winging it can (and did) lead to a lot of picks two years ago.
by Displaced Tiger on Sep 13, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is that not only did Jefferson play a really bad game..
..but it’s been a very long time since he’s played a really good game. In how many of his starts have we had over 200 yards passing? So, he’s playing poorly, and I see no evidence this will turn around any time soon. He’s been playing fair-to-middling for 1 season plus two games. Things are going to start getting even tougher soon. If the QB play does not improve, this team will not compete for the SEC West, though our defense may be able to steal a couple games against the better teams.
Even this game was a better performance than what we saw in the Spring Game, which we all hoped was itself an aberration. But now in Jefferson’s last 3 performances in front of an audience, he has had two miserable games and one mediocre one.
I think it’s time to see if Lee has exorcised his particular ghosts.
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by Richard Pittman on Sep 13, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
But there’s quickly becoming a notion Jarrett Lee is “the answer,” and not only is that not really the case, it’s unfair to put those kinds of expectations on the kid.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 13, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Upon further reflection..
I agree with the middle way. Give Jefferson another chance to prove last week was a one-time thing, but if he struggles early, give Lee his chance.
It’s nothing against Jefferson, but he’s not a young QB anymore. Well, actually, he still is a young QB, but it’s too late to give him the redshirt he probably needed in 2008. It’s just that this season looks like it could be special, if we get good QB play, and Jefferson last week did not look any better than he looked last year. This is not a year we can be patient through growing pains. If Jefferson isn’t getting it done, it’s time to give someone else a chance.
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by Richard Pittman on Sep 15, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
lee
i think lee will be the starter when it is all said and done. just this feeling i have, based on nothing but my perception of how i would handle the situation. lee will be brought in as the starter once Jefferson has lost the confidence of his teammates and the fanbase, and i wouldnt be surprised if that happens as soon as this weekend.
I'm almost glad Zach Lee signed with the Dodgers
The “START ZACH” trolling from the Humanoids would be almost unbearable at this point
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 13, 2010 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
Good point
not sure I’m glad he’sgone but that would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
What!?!?
Zach Lee sign with the Dodgers? Is it too early to start Rivers? JJ does deserve to right himself after that performance but Lee in turn as deserves a shot if Miles is right that he has been practicing well.
by cbkao on Sep 13, 2010 8:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't get out much do you?
Yes, Zach Lee had the audacity to except triple the going rate for his services ($5.25M) to go play ZERO pressure minor league baseball, that greedily little basterd!
Yes it is too early to start Rivers considering he is in High School right now.
JJ will get the opportunity to redeem himself because HE IS the starter.
JLee will get whatever opportunities CLM gives him (I hope more for now, just to see where he is at) but he ‘deserves’ no more or less than any other player that has been given multiple chances to prove himself.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
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