First Impressions: LSU v Miss St.
Once again, this is without looking at a replay or a boxscore...
-- The defense is simply awesome. I have no words.
-- LSU simply owns Mississippi St. To all of you who picked this as your upset special: good call.
-- Jefferson looked a lot better. I'm positive he had a quiet night statisically, but he just looked more comfortable in the pocket. It was a good game.
-- Josh Jasper. Still great.
-- This was exactly what this team needed: a quietly dominant game that was, dare I say it, pretty boring. MSU never threatened, and LSU drove up and down the field and won this won on field goals.
-- Work on the red zone offense. That's the only real negative tonight except...
--... another friggin' fumble when trying to put the game away?! WTF?
-- Patrick Peterson is God. Kneel before Zod.
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Poseur, i think i'm mad
but i have these thoughts…it’s…a cornerback..from LSU..raising the heisman
"The second Patrick Peterson puts on an NFL uniform, Darrelle Revis becomes the 2nd best corner in the league."-Herm Edwards
don't drive angry!
PP raising the Heisman would be nice but I want to see another trophy raised and if JJ can keep it together this will be a SPECIAL team.
Geaux Tigers!!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
A couple of not dropped passes and JJ's stats would have been pretty good too.
other than that pretty much my impressions too!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
PP is sooooo awesome
One sad thing about PP is that we know he will be gone after this year. And it is kind of sad that we won’t have another corner like him for 20 years.This guy is like deon sanders.
I am enjoying him now though. I love pumping him to other non lsu fans.
"we know he will be gone after this year"
I was thinking about this during the game….what if there’s a lockout? The best thing for LSU could be an NFL lockout. I don’t pretend to know exactly how everything would work out, but wouldn’t a lockout mean that the juniors in the NCAA wouldn’t want to leave early? Imagine how sick we could be next year if Peterson came back….we would only lose Sheppard, Nevis, Barksdale, and Toliver. 4 very good players, but not irreplaceable, especially the two on offense.
So, I was fairly drunk by the time the game rolled around, but did we seem totally incompetent every time MSU even pretended to hide who had the ball?
The correct way to feel about the other teams in your conference: "Lots of happy LSU fans giving us shout outs down here since FB beat Tennessee." ~ Duck volleyball Twitter
Okay, that's good to hear.
I just felt like, every time MSU faked a handoff zone read style, we got gashed for a decent chunk of yardage. But I watched the game, soundless, in a bar where every other TV in the joint was tuned to Oregon beating the tar out of Portland State.
The correct way to feel about the other teams in your conference: "Lots of happy LSU fans giving us shout outs down here since FB beat Tennessee." ~ Duck volleyball Twitter
by AllSaintsDay on Sep 18, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
good win
But I don’t see how you say JJ played well. He played “better” than last week, but that isn’t saying much. I really thought we should have seen JLee more in the second half.
I tihnk our D and running game will win us some games this year…but I am not sure JJ’s play will get us where we need to be to beat bama, Florida, Arky….
I agree but
I don’t know if it’s JJ’s fault tonight. That was about as a conservative game plan as you can call. 40 runs to 16 passes says it all. JJ played better and probably just good enough to keep his job for at least another week or two. I’m with you though I’d like to see at least see if Lee has progressed from the past. I don’t think JJ has so let’s just see how Lee does. I’m not saying start Lee but let him get some significant snaps in a game. There I said my piece. Good game Tigers!
by cbkao on Sep 18, 2010 10:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good Game for LSU
I don’t know what game you were watching, but I was watching LSU-Mississippi State, and the Tigers dominated MSU, especially in the second half. As for JJ, I’m certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I think he is coming along nicely. I think the coaches are a little too conservative, and I wish they would really open up the LSU offense in a game. I believe JJ has the talent to be a great quarterback with proper coaching and everyone having a little confidence in his abilities. As for our defense, it’s awesome and really something to watch. Too bad you were too drunk to watch the game, but then if that’s how much you care about the tigers get drunk for all their games. They certainly don’t need you.
Judgmental much?
Too bad you were too drunk to watch the game, but then if that’s how much you care about the tigers get drunk for all their games. They certainly don’t need you.
There’s no need to be a jerk you know.
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Not so fast...
This team will win games with the defensive play… not doubt. To say the offense went up and down the field is just looking through the purple and gold sunglasses. We had 264 yards of total offense and 97 yards passing, that will get you so far in the SEC (I don’t care how good your D is). There will be games that our defense does not get 5, count ‘em 5, interceptions to set up the offense in excellent field position. We should have won this game by at least 2 more touchdowns but we didn’t because the offense still has no identity and either the coaches do not have the competence to stretch the field or we truly do not have a quarterback that is capable of doing so. I really do hate to be negative because it is really an impressive win against a pretty good SEC foe but if something doesn’t change big time on the offensive side of the ball we will be hard pressed to make a serious run at ANY championships the year. Isn’t that the ultimate goal?
Anyway, I really do hope I am wrong because with ANY kind of offense this team will be very special.
-Royce
by Royce Girouard on Sep 18, 2010 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
The offense couldn't go up and down the field
Starting in great field position so much. A tipped ball took away one easy TD on that screen in the first half (and I give State credit for making a play — Shepard would have walked in if its complete). And you’re wrong about the offense not having an identity. They ran the ball, operated a managed passing attack and stayed in a rhythm. It was conservative, and not very pretty, but it’s the type of offense this team needs to run.
And I think it’s very telling that when they needed a TD, they drove right down the field and got it.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 18, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The type of offense this team needs to run?
The offense that is in place at this point will not make a run in the SEC. Defenses will start to stack the box and force LSU to beat them with the pass. We have a no pass threat at this point. Alabama is a run first team but they also have a pass game that is respectable enough to keep defenses honest.
The identity of run to set up the pass is definitely in place but the problem is there is no pass game to compliment the run.
by Royce Girouard on Sep 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I never understand why people extrapolate an offense from one game to the rest of the season
Did you watch the Florida UT game? Did Florida look like it had an offense for the rest of the SEC season? No, they have no passing game right now. Just Demps running. Did Arkansas look like it had a defense for the SEC? No. An incompetent GA offense ran up and down the field on them in the second half.
These are COLLEGE players. They play great one quarter and terrible the next. They are great one game and lousy the next. For EVERY team. You’re not going to see linear improvement over a season – and the way they play in game three isn’t the way they will play in game 10.
I have lots of doubts about Jefferson, but the fact that the offense didn’t call a lot of passes today doesn’t mean they won’t be able to pass next week. Enjoy the great win for what it is.
As I said
The execution needs to continue to improve. But if you didn’t see improvement in this game you’re blind.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 19, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Very happy with the game
Lots of improvement shown — the defense played with intensity, the offense executed a low-risk gameplan that held on to the ball, which is what it needs to do. Jefferson definitely wasn’t flashy, but he was efficient and well-managed by the playcalling. It’s not pretty but if this team continues to play that way going forward, the execution will improve and the points will come.
That wasn’t a bad defense out there tonight for MSU — particularly on the defensive line.
Yeah only 2 points of concern
1) finishing in the RZ
2) fumbles
If TT and Shepard hold on to TD balls, JJ’s numbers look a lot better. I don’t care much though as I was pleased with his overall play.
Oh yeah definitely
And we were awesome on returns. People will still look at the box score tomorrow and be pissed though.
I'm starting to think
People are just going to find something to be pissed about no matter once.
And most of them would be saying “it’s just State” if the offense had put 500 yards and 50 points.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Billy, I already put up a Fan Post with the ready made talking points for the haters. You can add to it if you’d like. I’m sure there’s more to complain about a team that’s 3-0 (2-0).
Ok
I’m getting tired of all the comments bashing people for having an opinion that isn’t pro JJ and offense. Look I get that other sites fans can get crazy negative but for the past few games I’ve seen very few real negative posts on the offense, mainly just to give Lee a few snaps in the flow of the game. And seen way too many over the top posts saying stop being so negative and that a true fan isn’t negative. Let people have their opinions and if you don’t agree you can argue rationally instead of bashing them saying they are just being negative. By the way I thought the offense and JJ looked better but was handcuffed by playcalling, but overall a great performance by the tigers.
by cbkao on Sep 19, 2010 3:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Some people can't be happy
This is not to criticize those that are displeased with JJ and our red zone offense, but there is a very vocal portion of our fanbase that spends so much time trying to downplay our wins that they completely miss out on what makes this team great. Yes, 180 yards of field goals is a dubious stat that indicates the offense still has issues that need to be fixed but this team will never put up jaw dropping numbers because our defense and special teams are phenomenal. We start with a short field with the knowledge that Jasper is practically automatic inside the 35 and 20 points is enough to win the game if we dont turn it over. We are very possibly better off playing it safe and letting them control the game than trying to force the issue. If we could sustain and finish drives, I’d say we could be one of the front runners to win it all. That is frustrating.
by Big McLargeHuge on Sep 19, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Jefferson wasn't flashy
But he put the ball where it needed to be. The WR’s got the ball where they could catch it in stride and keep running. The problem was catching it, mainly by Shepard, but also Toliver.
As far as the red zone, I don’t really care. We got to the red zone EVERY possession except for 2, and one of them was the fumble. Fixing the execution down there shouldn’t be too difficult, getting there every time is the hardest part.
Offensive Defense
“Jefferson definitely wasn’t flashy”
Are you aware that MSU had more yards passing to LSU DBs than Jordan Jefferson did in the game?
by Purple Reign on Sep 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
To me, tonight should have put to bed any questions about
if its JJ or Crowton holding back the offense. The play calling to start the game was a landry list of plays that just don’t work well for us 99 times out of 100. It seemed to me that when the staff showed more faith in JJ with different routes or looks, he delivered. He was checking at the line a few times, a couple of nice rollouts ( with some dropped passes… ) and even looked like he went through a progression once or twice. In the end, it seemed the more they gave him to do, the better he looked, which makes sense – the defense couldn’t sit & lock down the ‘known’ plays everyone knows we’ve been running.
I really wish we would primarily line up in the I or one back formation and run / throw from there, using the shotgun when we had to ( ie. long yardage ) – it just feels like we’re more of a threat that way. But either way, we’re quietly 3-0; take it one week at a time, but just sayin’… this could be a special year!
Here's the thing though
The play calling to start the game was a landry list of plays that just don’t work well for us 99 times out of 100.
It worked. They drove straight down the field, and the only reason it was a FG drive instead of a TD was a fade route that Toliver let go through his hands. I’m never one to defend Crowton, but I don’t have a lot of gripes with this game.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 19, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It did
but it looked like iPod / Radio / whatever type of success. As if the MSU folks were like “really? they were dumb enough to run that?” ( ie. QB sweep ) and the utter shock of it made it work. Hey – if it continues to work, I’m all for it, I just didn’t have much faith in the approach.
3-0!!!!
No kidding
Watching a DT make a pick is always fun (unless he’s picking off your QB).
If Nevis hadn’t tripped over one of his own teammates, he might have scored on the play.
By the way—how about the great catch Peterson made on his second INT!
Only thing that would've made Nevis' int better
is a TD. Love the fat guy TDs.
because then you get the fat guy dance
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by Chinese Bandit on Sep 19, 2010 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions
The JJ hating is getting ridiculous
After last week it was absolutely warranted…but after tonight? What complaints can you really have?
He made over 60% of his passes, and unless I’m remembering incorrectly none of the incompletions were close to interceptions. Only 97 yards, but that’s nearly 10 yards per completion which isn’t bad at all, especially considering the playcalling.
Ten rushes for 40 yards – thats only .1 YPC less than Ridley who led the team. Not to mention one of those went for a very nice touchdown, and he had a couple of other first downs where he was able to scramble away from pressure after the play broke down.
And of course the drop in the endzone by RS was a beautiful pass that absolutely should have been caught. RS had another bad drop as well.
Jefferson is never going to be an all-conference QB, and if you’re expecting that you’re out of your mind. What we should expect is for him to be able to make enough plays to move the ball and not commit turnovers – which he performed perfectly tonight.
Unless the playcalling is all of a sudden going to open up, and the receivers are going to quit dropping balls, what do you expect Lee to be able to do any better? Jefferson’s throws weren’t the issue tonight, and Lee is never going to run for a 16 yard touchdown.
The red-zone offense needs work. But our defense and special teams have got to be near the very top of the country so if red-zone offense is our biggest concern, I’m okay with that.
The problem isn't the stats ...
Sure, his stats are okay. They’re always okay, something like 11-for-18 for 116 yards with a touchdown and maybe an interception.
The problem is they’re never good. At any point, when trailing by 10 early in the fourth quarter would you ever believe JJ will lead LSU to a win? Doubtful.
The other problem is just the way he looks in the pocket. There was a play in the Fla-Tenn game that specifically made me think of it. A Gator rusher came unblocked, Matt Simms sidestepped him, stepped UP into the pocket, then found an open receiver for a touchdown.
If you can tell me any time in the history of ever that JJ has felt a rush, stepped up in the pocket and delivered a pass, I’ll give you my house. As soon as he feels any pressure, he panics. Then he starts scrambling. At that point, he’s one of the worst I’ve ever seen at being able to buy time and find a receiver. That’s why people are down on him.
Of course, the offensive coordinator doesn’t help.
by Purple Reign on Sep 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Against UGA 2009, 3rd quarter
stepped up and delivered a hard pass, took a major shot, and randle got the 3rd down conversion for 20ish yards
purple reign, give him your house
I’m sorry – are you a moron? Would you really trade Sims for JJ? Really?
Solid win, but. . . .
Yes, the defense is awesome. Yes, that will win LSU games this year (like this one). But take a look at the ESPN Team Stat Comparison. State racked up more first downs, more total yards, more passing yards, had better 3rd and 4th down conversion rates, and held the ball longer. The Bulldogs even nearly had as many rushing yards as LSU. And the teams both had the same number of penalties. The difference in this game was the fact that MSU turned the ball over five times. Period. Sure, several of those were forced by the LSU defense, but Alabama, Florida, and Arkansas won’t do that. Take away, say, three of the turnovers, and the game is close—with State probably winning.
There’s no two ways about it: MSU is an unranked team and LSU managed an anemic 264 yards of offense and only 97 yards passing. Do the same thing next week and the WVU game will go into the “L” column.
My fear now is that Jefferson played just well enough to keep Jarrett Lee sidelined going into the difficult part of the schedule—when his arm will be most needed.
by Brandon Friedman on Sep 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT reply actions
Ok so here's a stat
Seven scores in 9 drives. 1 punt in the fourth quarter. The offensive stats completely ignore one very simple fact. LSU moved the ball at will on Miss. State. That is THE bottom line of this game. So they only had to go 50 or 60 yards on some drives — there was absolutely nothing about this game that suggested LSU couldn’t have gone 80 if they needed to. If you don’t see that, you only read the box score and didn’t watch what was actually happening on the field.
Yeah, the red zone offense could have been better, but you also had a dropped endzone fade on the first possession and the batted down screen play. So it was a matter of inches. And if the offense continues to move the ball well, that will change.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 19, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point about
playing with a short field most of the time.
by Brandon Friedman on Sep 19, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
There is only 1 number that matters -
the score. These are the post folks above are talking about – where someone just has to find something to put the team down on.
“Take away, say three of the turnovers” – why? There was another team in the state of Louisiana just last season that all the ‘analyst’ kept saying the same thing about their defense; ‘they can’t keep getting the turnovers’! Guess what? They won the Super Bowl…
Point is, you have no idea what will happen. The team won, they’ve improved, and the defense looks like it could be the best in the land. Oh – and we’re 3-0, in case you missed it…
Wow, really
This is the kind of systematic, irrational negativity that Poseur has been talking about.
LSU just kicked the living shit out of a pretty decent, highly underrated MS State team — a team that I expect to upset at least one good SEC team this year. We ran at will versus one of the better D lines in all of college football.
JJ had a solid game, and LSU is a very good football team. Fucking deal with!
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Please tell me you are being sarcastic...
You can’t seriously already be looking forward to a loss against WVU.
by Displaced Tiger on Sep 19, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It sickening
how many fans WANT us to lose. I’m honestly ashamed of LSU (as a whole) fans sometimes. It’s like they aren’t happy unless we suck, and they refuse to admit that we have a really really good football team.
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"the only real negative"
By “only”, I’m assuming you mean only in the final five minutes. Are you aware that MSU quarterbacks threw to LSU players for more yards than Jordan Jefferson did? Yeah, that’s great for the defense, but our 107th ranked passing offense went 40 yards below its already putrid season average. We didn’t run great, less than four yards per carry.
As for driving on offense, forget it. We have exactly one drive this year of more than 60 yards that didn’t include a 65-yard Stevan Ridley run (and I don’t expect him to break away from Alabama or Florida or Auburn’s defense). Let’s be honest, if we don’t force turnovers, or someone doesn’t break a monster play, we’re not scoring touchdowns.
We can sugarcoat it all we want. However, there are four and five-star players at every position on offense, yet we rank in the bottom half of the NCAA in scoring. It’s not going to cut it in October and November. We all want to believe it will get fixed, but history (see 2009) is our guide.
I guess we should send a memo
Stop giving the offense a short field so we can see what they can do on a long one.
Honestly I saw nothing in this game that didn’t indicate LSU couldn’t have wracked up more offensive yardage on longer drives. They moved the ball at will. Just because it was ugly doesn’t mean it wasn’t effective.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 19, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand wanting to be realistic, not wanting to get your hopes up, not wanting to set yourself up for disappointment......
But come on. We’re 3-0, 2-0 in the SEC. Yes those two wins are against Vandy and Mississippi State, but it’s not like we’ve been struggling against the ULL’s of the world.
Does our offense underachieve? Yes. Is it the end of the world? You’re welcome to your opinion but I’m gonna go with “no.”
Our offense had poor stats largely due to the short field we seemed to have every single possession because of all of the turnovers. The field is only 100 yards – if you get the ball at the opponent’s 30 yard line every time, it’s a little challenging to have 60+ yard drives.
Look, I’m not saying we’re a top 5 team, that we’re definitely going to beat Alabama, Florida, or West Virginia – they’re all good football teams, but they’re hardly infallible. Our offense is not great by any means, but they’re competent – no turnovers until the ridiculous one at the end of the game, and did we punt once tonight? Not that I can recall.
We put up 29 points on a pretty good defense – and yes you’re damn right that had a lot to do with the defense’s turnovers. Last time I checked, football is a team game where you have an offense AND a defense who win or lose together. The only thing that matters at the end of the game is the scoreboard, and it doesn’t matter how you got to that score or how many yards the offense has – just that you have more points than your opponent, which we certainly accomplished tonight. We were never remotely close to losing this game yet we’ve got a crowd screaming that the sky is falling.
To steal some wise words from this blog, why not enjoy the win a little bit instead of immediately looking for the next chance we MIGHT fail. I really hope all of y’all who are so sure we are a terrible team didn’t let that affect your enjoyment of this wonderful Saturday – if not, I pity you and wish you the best.
I'll correct myself
We did punt once, a beauty that was downed inside the 5. Like I said in my previous post – our special teams and defense are without a doubt some of the best in the country.
See guys this is what he wants
Crowton wants to divide and conquer us with his horrible playcalling so he can stay longer!
by cbkao on Sep 19, 2010 2:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Put it this way
Defense wins championships, and ours is damn good. 3-0 is 3-0 people. It’ll be 4-0 next week, WVU almost lost to Marshall, remember? We need to give this team a chance before we throw in the towel as a fanbase. Also, great job to everyone that stayed at the game tonight, the stadium was virtually full until we went up by 22.
"Tiger Stadium is by far the worst place to play for a visiting team. It's like being inside a drum." - Paul "Bear" Bryant
To those pointing to total yards...
… REALLY?!
I mean, really? Are you honestly concerned in this game by that? MSU outgained LSU by 4 yards. And with those four extra yards, they made it to the red zone one time, contrasted to LSU making it five times. Yards are important, but not as important as the destination.
LSU had drives. The first seven drives of the game all resulted in points. To complain about yardage totals from an offense that actually scored on seven consecutive possessions is failing to see the forest for the trees. The point of an offense is not to gain yards. It is to score points.
Also, this offense clearly was running the most conservative gameplan on earth. Jefferson wan’t going to have gaudy stats in this game because the play calling simply wouldn’t let him. And why would you open up the playbook? There was never a reason to.
I’m willing to bet the gameplan against WVU or Florida will be a tad different than the one from last night
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Let's FG those mofos to death
scoring every time you get the ball? yes, please. you know who kicked the most FGs in the country last year? NC winner Alabama. Starting a drive on your opponents side of the field? That is goal 1-A of your defense. Save red zone issues and those designed runs with Jefferson, I saw what I needed to see last night in all phases of the game. Were we perfect? Of course not. But nothing needs to be said about the defense, we ran the ball on a stout run defense and JJ played the game that was called just about as well as he could.
by haveagreatday on Sep 19, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Special Teams
The offense at the moment is okay. The defense has been stellar.
Nevertheless, the third and very importarnt part of football is special teams. The return games have been excellent, and we have had very few penalites. Kick off coverage has just ravaged the other teams as well. The punt coverage was just as good in week two. We only pooch punted once last night. We have had a lot of hidden yardage that people never really consider in overall stats. Furthermore, we can’t give enough accolades to Josh Jasper. This season holds more promise with each passing week.
Laissez les bon temps rouler
Underrated point
State was lucky to return the kickoffs to the 20. This is shaping up to be the best special teams squad in the country, and that matters in a way not reflected in the “total yards” column
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 19, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

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