Dissecting Gary's Crowtons
I figure after a year and a half (probably longer) of debating LSU's offense it's probably considered a "hot button" topic. I mean, after all, I think we're all convinced that our defense could stop the Saints if we played tomorrow, but we probably couldn't score on even a hapless 1A high school if we needed to. To put it mildly, LSU's offense is upsetting... at best.
Yet, even still in the face of all this frustration, I still see wildly inaccurate comments bandied about on a routine basis. Not by any of the fine posters here at ATVS. No, you are all that is good and pure and holy and wise. So I brainstormed (which consists of me rolling over the morning, scent of bourbon thick on breath, empty beer cans under my pillow, a deep haze of the yesterevening hovering over me when an idea that is appallingly stupid comes to me and I decide to pursue it anyways). Shortly thereafter I discover that strange woman lying next to me is, in fact, my wife. It is always my wife.
Regardless, here's the idea. Each week I'll take a look at a few plays from previous game (some good, some bad) and talk a little bit about the strategy and formations we are using. I'm not a coach, nor an expert, so please feel free to brand me an idiot. But let's go inside the plays and see what the "Wizard" (didn't people used to call him that?) dialed up for this week. See the plays after the jump.
Alright, there's a lot of misnomers about Crowton and Jordan Jefferson. I'm not the biggest Crowton fan, but that doesn't mean he doesn't do certain things very well. GC is excellent at designing plays. He's also better than just about anyone I've seen at setting up a defense with one play and coming back to it, but hitting them with something else. When you see it unfold, it's a beautiful thing. He's not afraid to run the same play multiple times (we ran the same play back-to-back in this game and another player three or four times).Now, the bad part is, he does a little bit too much mixing and matching with formations and personnel groupings. On a given night, I've seen us trot out 15-20 different formations. Sometimes the variations are slight, but that's just outrageous. Look at what a lot of the best offensive teams do. The Colts (I know, spare me the "This ain't the NFL" garbage) run a very basic 3 Wide, Single back package with a TE. They operate basically the entirety of their offense out of this and 4 WR sets (which is usually just Dallas Clark split wide). It's really... fairly simple.
Regardless, here's a basic rundown of what happened:
-55 Total plays, 39 runs, 16 passes
-3 drops (including 2 TDs if you count TT's fade as a drop)
-1 batted down screen pass that would have resulted in a TD
-A pretty healthy blend of run/pass scenarios. I.e. we didn't run, run, pass every series. We didn't run on every down and short. We didn't throw on every down and long etc. etc. etc.
-I've been saying this all week, but JJ really looked like he operated the offense rather than played within it. What I mean is, he ran checks, he audibled into and out of formations that weren't good. He went through his route tree and threw to his checkdowns (on multiple occasions... MSU was determined to not get beat deep). All in all, he played well, I don't care if the stat sheet doesn't back it up.
-JJ still has progress to make. He did a fine job Saturday, but he also needs to be more accurate (I don't mean this in the actually complete passes variety). I'd love to see him throwing guys open. A really good QB will throw a WR open. That's a step he needs to make.
-Our offensive line is so much better at zone blocking rather than man blocking; it's not even funny. I can remember one play from the game where we ran a zone block scheme and it was stuffed... and even then it still went for 2 yards. Conversely, we only ran two good man blocking scheme plays all night (one of them JJ audibled into, the other was the next play for a TD).
Anyways, enough of all that, here are the plays. Please excuse my shoddy craftsmanship. If any of you know a good (FREE!) play diagramming software I can use, that would be great. Until then, MS Paint will get this bitch done.

Single Back, 3 Wide (Classic Shotgun), 3rd & 4
This is the play that killed our 1st drive. Sadly, the play was there, but there was a mistake by Clement that killed it. Shep ran a short out (even if it looks deep on my illustration), Randle ran a fly pattern. Toliver ran a slant across the middle that sadly would have easily been a 1st (he was wide open and on pace to be about 5-7 yards deep). As he's progressing in his route, Clement runs directly across his face, TT is forced to stutter step, then cut underneath Clement, JJ throws him the ball, but he is shortly tackled for a 2-3 yard gain. Drive Over.

Single back, 3 Wide (Slight variation to the classic shotgun), 1 & 10
This is the type of play I don't understand why we haven't seen more of (particularly last year when the line was such a liability). We roll Jefferson out to get him on the edge, giving him three easy targets to throw to. Toliver is running an in about five yards deep. The horribly illustrated route for Shep is a an out and up. Randle runs a fly pattern again. Randle's deep route vacates a nice space in the defense for Shep to be open. Blue seals the edge with a block to give JJ time to throw. He hits Shep awkwardly, but for a nice 21 yard gain. I can't tell if the throw was off target and Shep had to adjust or if he just stumbled catching it. Either way, it would have only gone for 3-4 more yards since defenders were closing in on him. But this is a nice, easy throw that gives JJ three different levels to throw to and only half the field to read.

Flexbone, 1st & 5
Flexbone is the nearest comparison I could find to this formation, which was something like a Flexbone/Wing T hybrid. Interesting indeed. The play was a simple trap/misdirection play that went for about 4 yards, but it was well executed and looked nice. We came back to it later on and the pulling guard (T-Bob) missed his block and Ridley tried to cutback and ended up going for a loss. Ridley takes a jab step to the right, takes the handoff and follows Stampley, Joseph AND Williford into the hole. Classic power running.

Shotgun, 4 Wide, Trips, Single Back, 3rd and 11
This was the failed screen pass that killed our 2nd drive. It's really unfortunate because the play was well designed, and for the most part, well executed. The MSU DL made an athletic play jumping up to knock the ball down, but he shouldn't have even had a chance. JJ was right to throw it lower and harder (floating screen passes always end up in disaster). The two pulling lineman (Josh D. and PJ) were up the field and ready to pick up any trash in Shep's way. Unfortunately, Barksdale didn't do a good enough job of blocking up his man (the guy who knocked the ball down) and the play ended as an incomplete rather than a TD. This is one of those things that makes you groan, because if the play works, it's 10-0 LSU and a ton less grumbling from our fanbase. *Sigh*

Single Back, 3 Wide (Classic Shotgun), 2nd & 5
ZONE BLOCKING! I love this play. Straight from the UF playbook, this is the classic Jet sweep play Meyer would run with Percy Harvin with great success. First, Jefferson motions Joseph over from the right side of the formation to the left. Next, he sends Shep in motion from right to left before taking the snap and sticking it in his belly. The OL straight up zone blocks (student body left), Blue acts a lead blocker and Shep rips it for a nice 10 yard gain. Good call, good execution.

Two Tight End, Single Back, Shotgun, 2nd & 7
One trend I noticed is that every time we got to the redzone, we immediately got into two TE formations. We ran it both under center and from shotgun, but like clockwork, two TE time inside the 20. I can't argue much, as we had some good success out of the formation and we didn't run it as a run-only type of thing.
The play above is our first TD. Once again... ZONE BLOCKING. This is bread and butter Rich Rodriguez offense right here, with an easy zone read play. JJ is reading the backside end. If he crashes hard, JJ keeps the rock and runs it; if he holds contain, JJ gives it to the RB (in this case Blue). The end crashed hard, JJ carried out the fake beautifully and some nice blocking down field gets him in the end zone for 16 yards. There's been a lot of crowing about JJ running the option, and I agree, he does not run the classic option with any sort of effectiveness. BUT, I've seen him run this on a few occasions, and it seems to always turn out pretty well. I'd LOVE to see Shep give it a go.
Overall, after re-watching and diagramming every play, I liked what I saw. I thought the playcalling was fine. GC wants to stretch the field vertically and horizontally (much like Meyer), which is why we continue to see JJ running the option. So even if that goes for no gain, know that it is serving some purpose (not every play needs to gain yards to be effective - Crazy I know!). MSU was determined not to yield the deep ball and did so successfully. So instead, we kept the ball, played keep away and wore their defense down. I would have loved to seen more points, but of the four drives that sputtered in the 1st half, I didn't think one of them was JJ's fault (I still think TT could catch that fade).
Let's hope we can build off of the strong efforts of this game.
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Play #3
Wasn’t really the flexbone, more the classic full-house backfield. You see it a little in the NFL — the Saints do it some. It allows you to have lead blockers to either side, and a backfield formation that allows for some interesting pass patterns.
One thing that is definitely Billy Gonzales’ influence — the flexed tight end in motion. Aaron Hernandez did that almost exclusively.
Very interesting.
I can do some purty diagrams for you if you ever need.
by janepriceestrada on Sep 23, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
I have a different take
in the sense that these plays illustrate Crowton’s weaknesses. For instance, when in the shotgun, there is no inside run threat here – its off tackle at best, to speed option or sweep ( zone read being a form of the option, with the ball going OT ). Add that we saw vs MSU that the defense has learned when Shep goes in motion across the formation, the D just stretches the play out to the sideline ( again – no inside threat to keep them home ). This was different for Florida because of one guy – Tebow – he was that inside threat that kept defenses home in the middle. We don’t have that, so teams know when we get in the gun to defend the edges; predictable.
As for play design, the first play you show is an example of a design failure for a 3rd & 4 play call. Two receiving options on a collision course ( as happened per your note ), a go route when its 3rd & 4, with a basic underneath out route. The two slants ended up defending themselves and a simple cover two defends the right side ( as JJ is looking for the 1st and not to hit Randle between the CB & safety transition )…so boring.
How much better would it have been to let TT run the same route but have Clement run a 5 yard out behind Shep and Randle run a 10 yard inside comeback? You’d have flooded the zone to the right, given JJ 3 options to one side at 2 different levels with a backside slant – all easy throws and deep enough for a 1st down. First read is TT then Shep to Randle or Clement ( virtually in the same line of sight by this time ), back to TT if need be, who would by now be in the middle of the field. Its a nice read progression and gets us a first down..
will continue later; have to run.
by Xanathol on Sep 23, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed...
There is little to no ingenuity, the plays don’t take into account JJ’s long release (he can’t throw a screen or a slant) and they don’t leverage the athleticism we have at the skill positions which should produce more midrange results (between 10-20 yards).
Instead everything seems horizontal or flat. Defenses note this and suffocate the offense. Happens over and over and over…
JJ throws the slant well..
It’s probably the one route he consistently hits in stride.
Screens, you may be right. We haven’t seemed to really go to a screen game with him back there.
To answer
Part of what I mentioned above is that I hate Crowton because he IS so multiple. But it is what it is. It’s not going to change. We may as well get used to seeing tons and tons of formations.
As for the no inside threat from the shotgun, we ran it up the middle a few times. I didn’t diagram every single play (just formations), but I could go back and look. I do remember having a few plays up the middle. I’d expect us to develop something off of that.
As for your second point, that same route grouping on the outside (Randle deep, Shep short out) was there all night. MSU was so worried about the deep threat, we probably could have hit Shep over and over and over for small gains. Of course, the one we needed him on, he dropped it. I don’t think Clement ran the right route on that play. TT immediately started pointing back and saying something (I’m presuming he was saying CC ran into him.). So either Clement ran the wrong route or didn’t time the route correctly. By design, it would have worked had he done a bit of delay and then popped out, dragging back across the defense and wide open.
I can’t 100% verify Randle is running pure GO’s all the time on that outside route either. He very well could have run a comeback… limited camera shots don’t really help with that.
Sorry; family emergency came up.
I hear ya – production tape sucks for game tapes. I just wish JJ was given more options at different levels in one area. There is a play we run I harp on – out of the gun with 3 deep routes and 1 WR drag 5 yards deep ( typically on 3rd and long ) – that kinda thing just grinds my gears! ;)
The issue there is
Is giving more options to a QB who doesn’t get through them quickly a good idea?
Which goes back to my KISS strategy.
And who doesn’t love a little KISS

by Billy Gomila on Sep 23, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Love KISS!
and that’s my point. Like with that 1st play, Crowton has JJ looking left, middle, right or deep right. I’d like to see more like the 3 options all in single field of view; gives him options without a whole lot of looking around. As in my example, Shep trailed by a TE; one of those goes will be open and if some how not, the comeback right behind them will be. Basically a philosophy of focusing to an area of attack rather than spread out singular attacks – just have to keep moving the area.
Would sooooo love to have coaches tapes / views of the games to break down – make it happen ATVS! ;)
And who doesn’t love a little KISS
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A little KISSSS of CHERRRYYYYY…. OOOOO yeah.

I’m a doctor…….

Crowton, develop a QB or GTFO. ~ Xanathol
I can't disagree.
One of my biggest issues with the whole multiple package we run is that we don’t even need to run it.
It’s like Gary thinks he’s still at La. Tech or BYU or wherever.
Our athletes are so damn good, we don’t have to design the perfect play for them to succeed. Throw the ball high against man coverage and Randle is going to catch it 85% of the time.
I know I’m oversimplifying, but there’s no reason for us to run anything fancy. Run a straight ahead, simple attack and make their athletes beat ours. It’s been proven to work pretty damn well over time.
But when Crowton DOES do that...
everyone complains he is too predictable. I’m not trying to completely defend him here, because our offense does have serious issues, but I don’t believe it is his play-calling or design that is the issue. Just look at what he did in 07 with our offense. He knows what he’s doing, but…at this point I think it’s safe to say he sucks at quarterback development. Or evaluation.
Chase probably...
didn’t time it right.
Which brings us back to multiple formations. It harder for the players to get into a comfort zone with their assignments.
But you’re right, I’ve resolved myself to the fact that as long as Crowton is running the offense, that the crazy number of formations and personnel groupings won’t be reigned in.
Crowton, develop a QB or GTFO. ~ Xanathol
The 3rd and 4 was not a design failure
The Shep/Randle combo is an easy read that would work especially great against cover 3. The route combination with Toliver and Clement is run at every level of football, with two guys crossing each other and either picking the other defender or confusing them as far as which way to go. That is a great play to run on 3rd and 4, because you have 3 short options that will get the first, one long option to keep them honest, and they all compliment each other. It’s also an easy read, look right and see if the corner bails, if he does then Shep is open. If he doesn’t then you could hit Randle before he gets to the second level, and if those aren’t there, or if it is man, then you look middle and you have two options that both will get the first, both are easy throws, and both are close enough that it isn’t a long-developing read.
No, it was...
Would take a while to point each thing out in your post, but lets just say your timings & progressions are off as well as expected coverages. The original design is elementary to defend whether in man, cover 2 or cover 3. If there was a more classic forum design on the site to follow up with, I’d break it down again, but in this layout, it would detract from the flow of the discussion imo so I’ll leave it here.
It would kill cover 3
On the right side, and if they run cover two, he’s already reading that side and CAN hit Randle between CB and S. In your original comment you said JJ is looking for the first down and not Randle there, but…that IS a first down. If he sees an open receiver he is going to throw it to him.
I’m not sure what you mean about assuming the timings and progressions are off, but if I’m interpreting it correctly, obviously the design of the play hinges on the timing, especially between Clement and Toliver.
I tend to agree...
I didn’t think the design was bad at all. Which is partly why I diagrammed it. And I don’t think JJ made a mistake (maybe he shouldn’t have thrown it to TT but he was in the pocket and it was basically that or take a sack).
I think the issue was that Clement messed up. He either ran the wrong route or completely timed it wrong (I think he was supposed to take a longer delay, or run it deeper or shallower). But instead the routes got crossed up, TT had to undercut and ended up short of a first down instead of wide open for an easy 1st.
I also wanted to mainly point out that a lot of our drives were killed not because “JJ sucks” or “play calling sucks” but because of silly little lapses. Clement runs it right, TT gets the first, the chains are moving, and we may end up with 6 on the first drive instead of 3.
Here's a very similar play
from MGoBlog. It’s run against cover two and illustrates the hole in the zone on the right side. I agree that execution errors are what killed a lot of the plays last week, but I also think Crowton’s personnel packages tip off the defenses as well, requiring perfect execution. I’m going to make it my personal mission to count the percentage of pass plays Ridley is in for and the percentage of run plays Blue is in for.
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Goodwrite up Paul, thanks for taking the time to diagram all dissect the offense for us. I think the offense is coming along this year and is miles ahead of last year. Hoping for a big win Saturday no matter how it gets done!
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