Upon Further Review: "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore!"
Enough is enough and it's time for a change. Sorry, didn't mean to go all Owen Hart on you there, but I'm not sure any other reaction is in order. I always thought the aim of the coaching staff was to put the team in the best position to win the game, not lose it. Yet, our decision making seems more puzzling by the game. We have a feature back we don't use. We have two completely regressed QBs. We are allergic to the good things we do. Hell, we even alternated QBs for about 3 minutes tonight for some unforeseen reasoning. Yet, how can anyone find it within them to continue to blame players for such silly ineptitude? How exactly can this team survive with Gary Crowton running the offense? (I'm not sure I have an answer for that one.) Just how much longer can the LSU offense continue to flounder before Les Miles is forced to take action? What are the coaches seeing that we are not? At what point will the porous offensive play trickle into frustration for the defense? Can we just line it up with Peterson and let him run it every play? (That would be better than what we currently have.)
*Sigh* I'm not sure there's anyone who can't identify with Howard Beale any better than LSU fans right now. If you haven't seen "Network" you should. But I think a full-scale sticking our heads out the windows and screaming in vibrant anger is in order. Don't believe me, just check out this clip:
How perfect is that? Even to the point of... "They are yelling in Baton Rouge!" That... and then some. I hate being "that guy." I've always hated "that guy." I've never wanted to be "that guy." But, unfortunately, tonight, I'm going to be "that guy." Enough is enough... and I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore!
At what point are results less important than performance? The fact is, we all see it. We practice it everyday in our personal lives. Good things don't just magically come about. You MAKE good things happen. How do you do that? Well it's a process. Within that process is the concept that if you keep doing the right thing repeatedly, eventually the good things will come. That means that even a setback won't be too devastating because you realize in the end, the process of doing right will win out and reward you. Anybody can skip work two of five days and kick ass the other three. But those that advance are the ones who put in the time day after day. THAT is the process.
All this rambling nonsense is an abstract (and probably ineffective) way of saying that despite the fact that we are currently obtaining results, there's little evidence to suggest our process will continue to reap the same reward (victory).
So how does all this tie into tonight, you say? Well, obviously, I'm speaking specifically about the offense. Actually what we are putting on the field isn't an offense. It's offensive. (Pardon the obvious pun).
Last season I wrote off JJ's struggles as dealing with the lack of a running game as well as youth. For 2010, we are currently running the ball down the gullets of anyone who shows up. JJ is now a Junior, with over a season's worth of starts under his belt. Something about excuses and assholes, right?
There's really not much to say. After the first half, I found myself saying... "If it's not one thing, it's another." An experienced, talented WR lets an easy catch bounce off his hands for an INT. So the play is there, the throw is there.. but now the uber-talented WR just muffs it. That's exactly what we need. But by mid third quarter, reality set in so hard and fast it killed the buzz I spent the previous six hours building up. Honestly, how is it possible to be... this bad?
Most people look back at 2008 and blame youth or lack of ample preparation time (after all, RP was going to be the man until he done got arrested so many times). So Lee got thrown in the fire, and a porous defense didn't help bail him out. Then in 2009 we're breaking in a new starter and our offensive line is struggling... surely that's why our QB can't consistently produce. But here we are, in 2010... just as woeful offensively... giving a whole new meaning to if it's not one thing... it's another.
The fact is, it all points to one man. I can literally find no other explanation. As of tonight, I have hard time completely faulting Jarrett Lee or Jordan Jefferson for the troubles they've found on the field. After all, they haven't been taught correctly... how should they know any better? It's really simple. If the ineptitude of our offensive coaching isn't glaringly apparent to you, then you haven't been watching. It really permeates into the overall functionality of the offense. It's not just that we seem to insist on running the same ridiculous plays, it's that even when we find a sweet spot (oh like, say, the 9 YPC Ridley seemed to be averaging up the gut tonight), we turn away from it. It doesn't matter that Stevan Ridley has played like a man possessed since opening day (sans two sloppy fumbles vs. UNC). It's best we give the other backs some carries... well cause... we have em... right?
How about the gloriously beautiful JJ/Lee switcheroo... not so fast moment in the 3rd quarter? Oh but wait, then we decide it's time to play Lee... in the 4th with a not-too-comfortable lead... for a series... only to go back to Jefferson. What, exactly, is the logic? Or how about throwing three consecutive passes late in the 4th quarter whilst trying to ice a victory and milk the clock? Brilliant.
Just what then, is the process? What are we trying to accomplish? It appears, nothing. Two games ago, I wrote that we may have found an identity. Glance at the boxscore, and you'd think that would support my idea. But if you watched the game, you knew well enough that the zone blocking/power running scheme was hardly the "feature" of our "offensive attack." Surely Ridley carved them up nicely. But for every 9-yarder up the gut, we followed with a -3-yard option play. Or desperately obnoxious pass attempt. How about trying Ridley on a sweep play? Because Lord knows with a scat back speedy burner outside runner it's always a good idea to try and get them on the edges.
The sad thing, this is what we have. It's not like we're a young offense trying to iron out the kinks whilst showing tremendous promise (read: Florida). No, we've shown next to shit nothing. How is it possible that a player has gotten worse the more he's played? I'm not entirely sure, but that seems to be the case with Jefferson. The tipping point for me was the 2nd interception, which yielded their 2nd TD. Through the first three games, I accepted JJ, arguing that he was merely a game manager... like our Trent Dilfer. Run the offense, don't turn it over, and let your sick-ass defense win you a bunch of games and a ring. Yet that interception brought that crashing down in a hurry. Beyond the fact that he struggles to consistently hit WRs with good passes, a flippant turnover only condemns the entire game manager concept. If it had solely been a single poor game, all can be forgiven, but we're talking consecutive quarters of lack of production.
So what's the answer? Do we go back to Lee? We may as well give it a shot, but I doubt it yields the results people want. As I said above, it all returns to one man: Gary Crowton. Lee and Jefferson have both been tragically mishandled. They both severely lack essential fundamentals which are the basis for any type of success. Further, the mish-mash bullshit multiple offense we run only over complicates and irritates the players playing within it, not opposing defenses. Take a look around, the best offensive teams build their offense around their personnel, not vice versa.
But really, all of this is most frustrating because we all see the potential that exists. In 2008 I think the fanbase as a whole realized that team just wasn't nearly good or experienced enough to be a threat. 2009 we were the "almost there" Tigers that kept every game close but couldn't close them out. Now in 2010 we're sporting a kick-ass defense and dominant special teams that will keep us in (if not win) quite a few games. Offensively, we see the weapons and the talent. Yet... nothing comes of it.
What's most disheartening is watching a National Championship caliber defense being repeatedly asked to carry the slack for our woeful offens(ive). Beyond that, exactly how long can they keep this up (since many of our best offensive foes are still ahead of us)?
The Takeaway:
It was a poor performance in many phases tonight. The defense played well, sans the excessive penalties, which reared their heads for the first time tonight. Yet, the unit seems to dominate on a weekly basis and spent the better part of the night abusing the speedy, diminutive weapons West Virginia sported (body bags weren't quite necessary, unfortunately).
The thing you'd like to see is the offense getting steadily better each week. Last year, we struggled to run the ball. This season, we have that capability. Why not keep it simple? Run the shit out of the football and make our opponents stop us... yet we seem to be allergic to success. Once we find what's working, we largely ignore it until we are desperately clinging to victory at the end of the night. We need a purpose offensively and until we find one, it won't matter if Dan Marino is running our offense, we aren't going to excel.
West Virginia is a very respectable opponent. Beating them isn't just some throwaway. But the manner in which we accomplished it can hardly be applauded. At one point in this game we lead 17-0. Hard to believe we closed out with a narrow 6-point victory after only tacking on three additional points. That is bad.
If we don't, by some miracle, improve offensively, we'll fall short against Florida, Auburn, Bama and Arkansas. I know our defense is probably the best in the conference, but each of those teams can and will score points.
Until then, we are just like Bon Jovi...
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The walk-on's post game show
those guys seem to think Miles is calling the offense and that he has handcuffed Crowton and Gonzales. That sounds pretty crazy if you ask me. Is there anything to that? I was thinking of the Vandy game when we finally started running the hell out of it in the second half. The consensus was that Miles took over the play calling, not the other way around like Gordy and Hanagriff suggest.
If Miles calls a game...
You better believe you will see a shit-ton more running than what we saw last night.
Agreed
I, for one, would not mind Miles channeling his inner Bo and just saying this is going to be three yards and cloud of dust.
Fuck it, it CANNOT be worse than what we have.
The offense has a disease and its permeating all of them. False starts, dropped passes, horrible QB play. The only guy that came to play was Ridley and we steadfastly refused to keep giving him the ball. I feel bad for JJ (and really thought he would make a leap this year) but his pouting is worse than his indecisive and sloppy play and I can’t imagine his teammates like that BS.
Let me start by saying
“I mad as hell and I’m not gonna take this anymore!”
ENOUGH is enough.
I love the winning, I do.
I love 55 – 15, I do. You MUST admit, it’s a good record.
I love the National Championship, I love the Man, I love the Character, I love the Hat.
But as one of the posters (forgive me for some reason I forget) said last night; I have contracted Bi-POLAR Disorder, I think we all have.
Our DEFENSE might be the best we’ve ever had (and we’ve some pretty freaking good defenses) but our offense is without question the WORST we’ve ever had and it is just not explainable.
The pieces are there, the players are there we just CAN’T do diddley. If Ridley shouldn’t be getting 35 carries a game then I’m just a freaking Monkey’s uncle.
IT is time to scrap whatever gumbo flavored concoction of a freaking offense/play book (secret or not) Gary Crowton has and relegate his but to an administrative role. I know Miles isn’t going to fire him mid-stream and I get that but set his but on the PINE right next to JJ.
Lee might not be the answer at QB, if fact as much as I admire the kid I’d be fairly surprised if he is but JJ isn’t so give Lee his shot. He has one quarter verses Tennessee to earn a second and one game to earn the job.
If he fails or even looks like he might fail then scrap it, we DON’T have a QB and that’s just fine.
Run, run, run the I formation and the Wildcat like you’re in Godzilla’s path and call it a day.
We have Shep, Ware and RRandall who could all run this offense with a plethora of solid RBs and speed to the corners and for options, etc… and frankly if all they do is NOT SUCK as much as we do now then we’ll win the freaking National Title.
In closing:
“I mad as hell and I’m not gonna take this anymore!”
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
It's really to the point..
Where I’d be perfectly content with us trying out Shep/Ware as a zone/read option QB and taking our chances. The passing game surely couldn’t be any worse than it is.
Look at Masoli..
by no means has an elite arm, but he sure can run the zone-read to perfection. Ware and/or Shep could provide that dynamic for us.
Crowton, develop a QB or GTFO. ~ Xanathol
I've been saying this since the Vandy game, that
we are totally wasting Shepherd’s talent. No one can tell me he wouldn’t be great in that style of offense, just like Dennis Dixon at Oregon a few years ago. We totally wasted two weeks to get it rolling after we saw the offensive disaster at Vandy. Now we’ve got Florida in two weeks.
We could have had a killer zone-read, run offense that would have properly used RS’ talent, eat up the clock, and then let the defense continue to absolutely stifle and create turnovers. It could be the mid-90’s Huskers all over again. And with our special teams, we’ve been starting in great field position every game!
love the enthusiasm...
RS isn’t ever going to play qb for good reason. His arm isn’t good enough. Our team hasn’t been coached to be Nebraska of the 90’s.
And also, I seem to remember RS having trouble making his reads as a qb before.
Best shot is for Ware to be that guy i think. Then we could go with just a wildcat formation.
I agree
he’s not going to play QB. But what is the deal with everyone talking about playing Ware? He throws better than Shep? How would anyone know? He wasn’t even recruited to play QB. Everyone always jumps to agree that Shep cannot play QB, and that’s fine. I agree with some of the points. But now everyone is looking at a running back as a possible QB option just because he played the position in HS. I just don’t get it.
All this is pointless anyway. We’ve got to stick to JJ now. My greatest fear is JL playing just well enough versus TN to have a nice little QB controversy heading into the Swamp where both players play nervously looking over their shoulder and worrying over every mistake.
Ware Vs. Shep
One of Shep’s noted strengths coming out of HS was his arm strength.
Ware was also a pretty good OF for his baseball team in HS. One recruiting service said he could have played QB for a MAC school. If you watch his highlights, you can see his arm… he’s got a good one.
Unfortunately, he’s about 5’9, so that just won’t work.
This was really driven home after watching the Bama game. When the game was on the line, they just snapped it to Ingram and let him run. I’m not saying Ridley is as good as Ingram, but at this point I think he’s as good as Charles Scott. I see no reason why half the teams in I-A can run that play but we can’t.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 26, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a hard time seeing how its going to get better soon.
Crowton sucks and should’ve been fired and replaced with Gonzales, not this dual role garbage. Miles should have learned that that scenario doesnt work from his defense.
Jefferson doesnt know how to execute his reads, he looks off them before they develop. Hes totally lost on what is supposed to happen and the timing of the whole system. If your QBs steadily regress like this then it has to be the OC. JJ running the option has to be the most horrific thing I’ve seen Crowton draw up.
LSU has the OL, RBs and one of the best WR groups in the country. There was no excuse for not beating WV by 40 points at home or having to hang on against UNC-Lite.
When they face a team that can stuff the run, LSU is gonna be up shit creek.
one of the best WR groups in the country
I keep hearing this but I haven’t seen any evidence it’s actually true.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The talent is there...
even Stevie Wonder could see that. There are drops — mostly by Shep, who I think needs to take more hand-offs instead of getting passing targets — but the talent is undeniable.
Crowton, develop a QB or GTFO. ~ Xanathol
I'm not mad as hell!
4-0. 4 wins over BCS teams, more than anyone else in the nation. The defense is awesome, the special teams are even better. I’m no longer as sick as a dog, either. Wins are fun. Let’s celebrate.
That said, the offense absolutely needs to improve. This level of offensive performance will not get it done. However, just because the offense is not getting the job now does not mean they cannot put things together. I hate the “we’re doomed” level of criticism as if teams cannot ever fix problems.
I’d rather have the offense struggling and the team be 4-0 than it look awesome and we be 3-1. Let’s maintain perspective… the team is still winning. We’d like it to KEEP winning, which requires something to change, but let’s enjoy those wins. They don’t happen that often for anybody.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
You KNOW I have a WANT to be a completely devoted delusional optimist
It’s who I am, it’s how I am wired but good lord, our offense needs to do more than improve.
Improvement would be to just suck. Currently our offense is beyond suck, it is blood sucking delusional optimism draining putridity.
I don’t know why, I am not smart enough to know how and I’ll be danged if I could do Miles’ or Crowton’s job.
But I have been led to believe for many reasons, including my own eye witness, that we have some of the most talented offensive weapons in the country and for the life of me I can’t understand why we make it SO DAD GUM HARD ON OUR SELF.
You know I am not a reactionary fan, I have been steadfast in my resolve and optimism and for the love of goodness I will watch, support, cheer (never boo), and believe in my Tigers every time they step on the field. I don’t care if they are 12-0 or 0-12, I’ve been to the top of the mountain and I’ve been in the creek without the paddle, blood was never any less purple n gold than it is today.
And frankly our defense can win 10 games by itself, which any of us would have agreed would be a very good year. The issue, and reason for my dismay (and possible new drinking problem) is that with just a below average offense this team could and most probably would win a National Championship.
I am so in love with this defense and special teams that my wife would probably have grounds for divorce.
I am happy to be 4-0 and frankly I don’t care about style points, margin of victory or any other statistic that doesn’t show up in the W-L column.
I just want to feel that we are not pissing away the best defense we might ever see and a great opportunity to bring home another crystal.
Help me Poseur, pull me back from the ledge!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Sep 26, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said..
don’t worry, you’re not on the ledge. It’s justified, feeling the way you do.
Crowton, develop a QB or GTFO. ~ Xanathol
I don't understand
how you could be SO optimistic through last year, and then become like this now? We were worse on defense last year. We were worse on special teams last year. And we were FAR worse on offense last year. Obviously there is room for a ton of improvement, but it is SO incredibly stupid to be this upset over a win, simply because there may be a loss later on. College football teams are different every single week.
Again, I am not upset over a win.
I am not upset about being 4-0 and I don’t think the sky has fallen.
What is different from last year to me is what we have before us. If we had finished last year any better than we did (with the exception of the OMD) then frankly it would have been OVER achieving.
We didn’t have what it took last year to win it all.
This year we do! this year could be lining up perfectly for us to make a run at the crystal and you know what, the defense and special teams might, by the power of Zod, be good enough to do it without any help.
From what we’ve seen so far they will have to.
I’m not switching sides or jumping ship I am just sticking my head out the window and screaming, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it any more!”
Miles has no greater admirer and no more loyal supporter than me. That has not changed, but I will be extremely disappointed if we don’t do something differently this Saturday.
If JJ trots out and runs that same gumbo concocted, do nothing well, we can ALL see it coming offense I might just lose my mind.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
I second your sentiments...
I think the most aggravating part of the whole ordeal is that a) We do have the defense and special teams to win a NC and b) The type of offense we need to run is right before our eyes… yet we continue to deny it.
Look, our starting RB gets 6 ypc. 6. That’s a 1st down every two plays. Yet… we smatter his carries throughout 4 quarters, and then throw him 4-5 at the end to run out the clock. It’s not the focus of the offense, and it should be. And that’s just pathetic.
Last year, there was little hope of the offense emerging. It was evident we didn’t have the line to have any sort of consistent offensive attack. This year, we CAN RUN the ball… but choose not to with any consistency.
I think my overwhelming sense of despair comes from the fact that I know our offensive coordinator isn’t going to do what’s plainly obvious to everyone gives us the best chance to win. It’s not about players. It’s about the coach. And that’ a damning feeling.
Winning is nice...
But won’t last long. We’ve shown no offensive improvement in 4 weeks. Anytime we do, we regress. Our offense is basically the equivalent of the 2008 defense. We are just going to have to deal with it sucking for the rest of the year and know that it will cost us quite a few games…
I’m not typically in this mindset, but from watching what’s going on, it’s hard to feel any other way.
Yeah...
That’s why I’ve really lost hope.
It’s not even about the players. I don’t look at our offensive players and say, “Man, we just can’t get it done with these guys.”
To relate it, last year I knew we would never get a pass rush. We just didn’t have the horses. A lot of people blamed Brick or Chavis or whatever… but if you looked at the bodies we had up front, the only one with any pass rush ability was Alem, and he wasn’t very disciplined.
So when I look at our offense, I see the capability, but know we won’t function at a high level because of who is setting it into motion. And that’s worse than not being talented enough.
Maybe Crowton has
Anterograde amnesia and he literally can’t remember which plays work.
That would explain the option.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 26, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I so wish I had Photoshop skills
This poster would star Crowton. We need to get him some tattoos.

LSU - "...the defense you want to be and your girl wants to be with."
Reality Check
“You don’t have to be the best team in the country each week, just the best team in the stadium,” Lou Holtz.
Laissez les bon temps rouler
This is now how it looks....
I have to believe that there’s a method behind the madness wrt our offense. I would love to give the ball to Ridley a hundred times, but search your feelings and you know that teams would just pile into the box and stop it (witness red zone last week and our 4 runs prior to TD last night). Passing HAS to atleast be an option, but the problem is we really are sucking at it. I rewound one play in the 3rd Qtr in the RZ over and over and watched with disgust as JJ missed RR on an out route in the end zone, and how late he was throwing the ball to DP almost resulting in an interception. I said to myself, then and on various other passes. You can’t blame the OC for that! You just cant. I’ve supported JJ for a while, but he is just who he is, a below avg QB who can’t make plays unless WR are obviously open.
The way I see it...
We’re good at 1 thing and bad at everything else. There isn’t a single aspect of our passing game that is respectable. Not the deep game. Not the intermediate. Not the screen game. Not short passing. Nothing.
So pound the fuck out of the rock and get great at it. Bludgeon teams with a vicious running attack and try to figure out some sort of a play action attack if you must.
I’ve had the same argument with a friend as you’ve stated above regarding JJ. He’s taken the route that JJ just isn’t good and that’s not GC’s problem.
But here’s my thing, how can we know anything about the mistakes he’s making? The fact that we failed in 2008 with Lee (moved the ball with power running and some vertical passing, but turned it over A LOT), failed in 2009 (didn’t move the ball at all) and are failing in 2010 (can run it, but refuse to consistently) all the while both Lee and Jefferson seem to get worse, I find it hard to blame the players. We know JJ worked with the receivers a lot this offseason. I read stories saying he spent a lot of time in the film room. So it doesn’t seem like he’s not putting in effort…
So this is why I default to the coach. Something is not being taught right. True enough some things can’t be taught, but if a player is being taught the wrong things, who knows what kind of effect that will have on the things that previously came naturally to him.
Go re-watch some JJ’s highlights from 2008. Tell me if you see a night and day difference in the way he plays. In 2007 he was more aggressive and decisive. Now he’s just a mess out there.
Playaction passing.
Playaction; bootleg; designed QB rollouts. These work. They are also no called with any regularity. At least not as regular as 5 and 7 yard drops and the dreaded option plays.
They run the read option with no playaction look off of it to date; outside of Lee’s one crisp pass in the Vandy game.
Run, run, and playaction off of it. That’s what most of us are asking.
I don’t care if its Big 10ish. I would sell a kidney right now for the team to be dedicated to 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
Crowton, develop a QB or GTFO. ~ Xanathol
Indecisive
I saw that happen in real time during the game, and I felt the excact same way. RR was wide open but JJ just kep drifting and could not pull the trigger. He was too gun shy at this point to make a quick decision.
Laissez les bon temps rouler
Hope???
Anyone whose read my posts knows that I support the Tigers through thick and thin. However, the game against WVU got the best of me, and I was curiously very angry when the game was over (even though my wife reminded me we won). I really don’t know enough about college football to put my finger on what’s exactly is wrong with the LSU offense. But, I do know there’s a problem. However, there is one moment that gave me hope, which was when CM was being interviewed after the game. The reporter specifically asked CM about the offense, and he didn’t mince words in telling her that there is a big problem and we have to get it fixed now. It’s said that the first step towards solving a problem is recognizing that one does exist. CM does recognize that a problem exists with our offence. CM couldn’t (or wouldn’t) exactly pinpoint the problem, but he made it clear that it must be solved quickly and he was ready to do whatever is necessary to fix it. So, while I was very angry after the game (medication prescribed for me by my physician helps me to stay calm no matter what happens), I also had hope that the problem will be fixed as soon as possible. And, I couldn’t ask anymore of CM or anyone in his position.
Let's hope the first step is taking over playcalling...
And assigning Crowton to a roll like cutting film.
Great read
Good read. Couldn’t have put it better. Every week I am very optimistic things will turn around. I’ll continue to look at the positive, but last night’s game was so brutal. Actually brutal is an understatement. The offense for LSU is beyond bad. This team’s success comes down to one thing: will Miles adapt or will he be arrogant? It is not working Miles. Change it. Don’t sit on the fact LSU is undefeated. I’ll hope it changes.
For the offense, going by what we have seen, the reality is, most, if not all games are going to look like last night from here on--sometimes better without the turnovers, a lot of penalties, and a lot of dropped passes.
It is week four, and this is how this team is going to be. Crowtons not going anywhere—Miles will do nothing during the season unless we start to lose a bunch of games starting with Tennessee, these are the two best QB’s we have—support whoever is in there—and we will have to win ugly relying on defense, and special teams. It’s looking prettier and prettier to me so long as we keep winning and at least give Bama, Florida, and Arky everything they can handle if not win those games. If we have another eight or nine win season—I’ll be OK with this, I still think we have a shot at 11—then somehow, someway pressure needs to be put on Miles to fire Crowton if he does not do it himself. As far as watching the games, I think PCrew said it best, drinking helps if the offense starts to really stink it up.
the current level of offensive play...
won’t stand a chance against Bama, probably not against Fla, and maybe not even against Aub or Ark. Losing that many SEC games might be what it will take to get rid of GC. Winning ugly has allowed him to keep his job far too long.
The offense was bad against WVU and has not looked overly impressive four games in,
but there are some obvious things the coaches and players can fix from Saturdays performance for one—turnovers, penalties, dropped passes. Fix that, and this offense would be good enough with our defense and special teams to compete and even beat those teams. The running game has improved a lot so far from last year and this offense needs to compiment the defense/STeams by moving the chains and not beating themselves—it is not sexy, but it wins games. Let’s hope it is enough, but if it is not GC should be replaced—I think he should be replaced regardless. Maybe Miles will see it himself—the best thing really—because he did bring in Chavis to his credit which is working out so far.
SOME THINGS WE KNOW - SOME THINGS WE DON'T
I’m not one inclined to post anything anywhere. I come to this board during the season, in part to amuse myself by all of US coaching geniuses who NO ONE is offering a dime to coach their teams, and in part to compare my own feelings and observations against those who clearly have more time and inclination to comment on these things than I have. Nonetheless, I share the same frustration that an unbelievable stable of talent is going to absolute waste.
I became convinced 2 years ago that Jarrett Lee simply was not good enough to play at D-1 (or at least SEC) level. He NEVER read past his primary receiver. He was immobile. His mechanics were horrible (threw off his back foot for an entire season; how do you get to this level like that). It appeared that NO ONE was telling him that, while he may be able to get away with that in the most holy grail of high school football (Texas) based on his arm strength, he couldn’t get away with it in big-boy football.
JJ proved in the Peach Bowl that he had what it took. I can’t blame him last year for the complete absence of an offensive line. We couldn’t run, and he had no time to throw anything but quick slant passes (which would have been fine, except that the coaches insisted on running and throwing more complicated routes that JJ wasn’t given time to allow to develop).
I can’t even blame him for the innumerable dropped passes this season. RS has a lot of work to do in the off season if he is going to continue to play at the receiver position. When’s the last time Tolliver dropped a perfect pass right into his hands? None of that is JJ’s fault.
JJ’s mobility has also saved our bacon already this season. He’s picked up some crucial first downs and actually moved in, around and out of the pocket much better than last year. Jarrett Lee may be a lot of things, but he’s not demonstrated anything folks would mistake for real mobility.
Since we all seem to have time to sit around posting on fan boards, I am concluding that no one has offered any of us the big $$ to coach their team. We are not at practice. We’re not watching game film. We’re not in the booth, so we don’t know who’s calling plays, or whether – except for the occasional blatantly obvious mix-up – the plays are being executed properly. It’s entirely possible that, in all of these situations NONE OF US REALLY KNOW AND NEVER SEE, Jarrett Lee is actually worse than JJ. It’s absurd to conclude that Crowton went from being regarded as a genius and "the wizard" in 2007 to a stubborn idiot in 2010 (actually, according to some, he achieved that status a mere year later – in 2008).
Having said all of this, though, I am finally convinced that JL should be given a shot now that we appear to actually be able to run the ball and the O-line (which actually afforded JJ pretty good protection Saturday night) can provide some semblance of decent pass-blocking protection, so we don’t have to worry quite as much about Lee’s lack of mobility. I’m just hoping like hell that the boy has gotten better at reading defenses rather than trying to rely on the strength of his arm to force passes into places they shouldn’t go (and for God’s sake, correct the mechanics).
I agree with whoever said that JL should be given the chance to start against the Vols. Give him a solid quarter. If he performs, keep him in.
Finally, the suits at LSU should be shot for scheduling ANY SEC opponent during the day time. While Tenn. may be relatively weak this year, I don’t think there’s any SEC opponent we can take for granted. Dooley proved last year with La. Tech that he can give us fits. We need every advantage we can get. Les or any future LSU coach should have a clause in the contract giving them final veto over whether any SEC game is rescheduled to day time just to reap the TV revenues.
They don't have a choice in scheduling daytime v. nighttime anymore
They sold their souls to the TV networks long ago, and it’s ABC’s decision as to when we play.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 27, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand, which is why I said the coach should have a clause in his contract which gave him the right to make that decision. However, I have since been told that it may actually be a SEC decision rather than an LSU “suit” decision, which would make it very difficult – if not impossible – to get such a clause, even if a coach were willing to leave some money on the table to get it.
LSU has no control
Over TV times. No schools do really, except maybe independent ones.
And even then, if NBC really wanted to put ND on at a different time, they probably could make it happen.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 27, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Time to take the training wheels off
The problem that I see with the LSU offense is the offensive coaches tendency to try too hard to protect Jordan Jefferson. On numerous occasions, LSU has been superb position to capitalize. But instead of opening up the offense, the coaching staff became uber conservative. In my opinion, this is not helping Jordan. It is only stifling his growth. I turned the West Virginia game off for a while after LSU went up by 17. When I turned the game back on in the third quarter I was shocked to find LSU struggling to hold on to a 17-14 lead because West Virginia seemed to be so much more outmatched by LSU. What I saw from the third quarter on was a quaterback who was indecisive and lacking in confidence which I believe stems from his belief that he doesn’t have the trust of his coaches. I blame the coaches for this. It is time for the coaches to stop being conservative, stop trying to protect Jordan and open up the offense. In other words it’s time to take off the training wheels. It’s sink or swim time. Give Jordan the opportunity to display his natural abilities. Until this happens, the LSU offense will continue to falter, and the coaches will only have themselves to blame.
With only 22 passes in the game to 33 rushes ( not counting kneel downs, differentiating scrambles from runs, and sacks ), that’s 60% running plays. The problem is the type of pass plays and when they are ran ( again – Crowton’s doing, not JJ’s ).
Also, it was a tale of two halves performance wise:
1st == 6/10, 38 yards ( 60%, 6.33 ypc ), 1 Int
2nd == 5/12, 43 yards ( 41.67%, 8.6 ypc ) 1 Int
Recall that the first interception was really on TT, not JJ, as TT volleyballed a pass that hit him square in the hands into the defender. In the 2nd half, JJ came out and missed one pass, then threw an interception. He then went 4 / 6 for 38 yards in the next two series, then back to 0 / 3 on the next drive.
Basically, JJ came out looking good ( not just stats wise, but via the eye ball test too ) but saw limited chances – 10 to be exact. After half, he had a rough start, did ok, then faltered when we should have been milking the clock instead of throwing it ( recall this was the 2nd to last drive that Crowton decided to try to lose the game in instead of running down their throats ).
In other words, I still h ave faith in JJ if we can get Crowton out of here and away from these guys – no play calling, no ‘instruction’ – don’t even sell him a ticket – just get Gary Crowton as far away as possible.
The Solution
Watch bad football for half a game and hope Les is smart enough to get this guy as our OC and sign Mettenberger during the offseason. If Les trots out this kind of offensive production to go with 100+ yards of penalties for the next 8 weeks of football then who knows what happens. As it stands, there is a complete lack of discipline, execution, ingenuity, and player development on the offensive side of the football and there is no way we can expect to continue getting the caliber of players we need if significant changes aren’t made immediately following the Arkansas game.
by Big McLargeHuge on Sep 27, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
Started leading the Logan train
Last October. Fantastic QB guy, his offensive style would mesh with the talent, and he and Les even worked together at Colorado.
by Billy Gomila on Sep 27, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Logan...
Would be a wet dream.
Also, Jim Chaney at Tennessee. Doubt we could take him away… but that guy is legit.

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